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the that, that i see the, the, the match sooner chance in welcome to going undergrad, broke us single, around the world from the us of a middle east that hosted peace talks the good finally, and the nature of proxy war and russia through ukraine and of a world war 3, donald trump said afterwards that ukraine should never have started the war. predictably the response from european the leads ahead of elections in its most powerful economy. germany, tomorrow has been panic. chaos and the reevaluation of the spaces says that trapeze of washington. since the end of the 2nd world war and the formation of nato, trump's vice president j, the vance,
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your lack of freedom to in comprehension from european nature, members at the munich security conference, success style mode, the british prime minister and prosecutor of julian assange, immediately propos sending thousands of u k. soldiers to fight for russia. this is, it was revealed, the 3 of the for the elderly and britain cannot afford to heat the homes. it has truly been nato, a reckoning with the atlantic alliance. and that's the view title of the new book by a member of the german, but a shag and foreign policies. folks present to the sorry to bug and collect alliance 7 data, and she joins me again from bell and 7, thanks so much for coming on before i even get to your book into a piece in a time, perhaps, but a real piece. uh, what happened as regards uh, francesco, been easy, the un special rubber to around palestine. she was in germany. i understand you, you met her as regards the u. k. u. s. u um, genocide in gaza or yeah, and i mean, you know, in
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a sense of course what gage events did as a vice president of the united states is in his hearing and 2 of the interior affairs of germany and disrespecting. the serenity of the federal republic of germany, of course, the german government, the actual one at the former, once they did it also interfere in the electoral campaign. harris versus a trump. i'd say they say the parents, so i, i really judge them as well. but i do think we should respect the so rosie is of the country is 1st of all, the 2nd thing is do we were, what do you? but what happened is, are gods, are you referring to j d months insulting? yeah. your parts, lack of free speech effect. yeah. and his speech at the munich security conference because you mentioned this and it's true that did. she has a point on this because we have
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a lot of freedom of press freedom of speech in the air in german society, especially in the last years we. we could observe that during the pandemic period, everyone who criticized in germany the measures which were very much of value by a line to our human rights, all of them into rights, according to our constitution. they put them into a very defend them as uh, as uh, as far right and so on. and now we do have an attack on freedom of speech, the freedom of gathering together and protests regarding israel because the unconditional support of the german government regarding the the is randy elmore, in the gaza strip in sending weapons and helping them militarily. but also in
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an economic and political way age and the depth of the stops as long policy as this has such an outcome that everyone was criticizing the various tar white's extremist government alternate on, you know, it is right here. they say this is interest and my to them, and this is a problem and in the general call them. and they talked bills and motions of from the question, democrats of social democrats, the green, the liberals, and even the less pop and germany. we as that about crazy alliance, we were the only one who proposed his bills and motions in this motions. it says that everyone has previous sizing, almost everyone has put a sizing phase way. the government has an interest in it, and that's why we have to forbid their leg. just at the universities, we have to part of school people in the schools when they are criticizing these ran the government and also cut the funds off in theaters of actors and
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so on. so it is a very big attack on freedom of speech away and there's usually a tomorrow's elections at germany, sundays elections in germany. you're the only policy who really respects free speech and a kind of american 1st amendment as well. uh, unfortunately it is so in november, last year end in uh, february this year, this parties past this bills and uh, we say this is a very big attack on freedom of speech and also the freedom of science because it is an attack on the universities at the universities, and this is a, for example, the reason by francesca albany is i really do like it very much. i had her in the jam a parliament and i gave her the possibility. i will come to, to come and do the lecture in the german parliament. because i do believe that this
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is also a disrespect to the united nations. i mean, she's not anybody. she is a special rucker to all the united nations and everyone was always saying and talking about an international order international law has to respect the special reference to update the united nations from my perspective. but if that happened in the week of the leading up to the elections, obviously democracy only exists if there is free speech. all the elections in germany this week, fair given you don't have freedom of speech in germany. it is literally like j. d events, drums, vice president for say, as well i, i have to admit that we do have some problems with the german media as well. so because we have more and more freaking spaces in the public regarding a mainstream versus a different opinions. but we have this in the last past 2 years, not just a, it's
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a batch. actual situation regarding is way past the time. we had this 3 years, ongoing war against different opinions regarding the war and ukraine. every one who was in favor of negotiations stopped to kill. the people doesn't matter. ukrainians or wash hands, stop the killings and the war and have peace and you play in every one of those defend as primitive party brendan puppets. up to 2 assets and so on. and especially, oh, apache, because a, b, s, w, as all boxes your lives was founded. i mean, we split from the left party because they did leave all the positions on peace. and they were in favor of some of them, of weapon deliveries to you. right. and they waited and are still in favor of
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sanctions against russia, which are harming the german industry. and the german people button up the russian industry as we know. so we split because we, where from the beginning the only party were in favor of negotiations and to end the war and also against the need to expansion, which is the cause of this conflict. and i very welcome that the new president of the united states, stomachs from seas. this cause of this conflicts and says, there is no prospective of nature nature membership for you free will your foreign minister maybe not 5 minutes to next week, who knows? and in a bad block. so she, a, previously, she said she wanted um, puts in on trial. suddenly off to donald trump said zalinski is a dictator for not having elections in ukraine. suddenly she said that actually
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these negotiations, peace negotiations initiated by trump may be useful. do you think it'll make any difference to this present to government at sunday's election? suddenly coming round to the idea after maybe, maybe a 1000000 have been killed in ukraine. suddenly realizing it's, it's okay to have peace folks as well. we have to be careful. we have to see how it goes. because i mean, while russia and the west are negotiating and react in saudi arabia and also discussing about energy investments and some other, he cannot because they couldn't make exchangers, the european union, the european commission, the european member states included the german government. they now decided on a 16 package of sanctions against the worship. why the negotiations
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a going long to end this war? and also the united states said that they want to lift the sanctions, the us tensions towards 20 russian bags. so i think it's just, you know, insanity in europe and brussels and bird, and i'm all over the place here in europe. we're seeing that they can run this war . uh, still uh, although, uh the us wants to end this war. so we asked to be very careful on this. and the 2nd thing is, i mean in the same of babel, you can see that they are or victims of that, that relates to the united states. the united states has the best deals in europe in brussel, brussels. you know, i mean, the european commission is an agency of the hedge and one of the united states of the white house. they are just doing what the white house says,
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and it's the same with the driven minister of foreign affairs. i mean, i mean i babble is the best german foreign minister, the united states as a head in one job. and so, so that makes them as the victims because they followed 3 years. the policy of joe biden, to militarily and economically, really in russia that was the goal of the bible and administration. now the administration changed the policy change, and now they are very well put domestic as you can see in changing the positions. because they have to follow the hedge among the united states. and that makes it very difficult and dangerous for europe because we, as europeans, has to understand our interests. i'm not, let's say, like the interest on the united states. i mean, i am really glad and delighted that the new government wants to stop the war and
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the killing in the united states because they did start is at the beginning in the, on the, in ukraine. but the problem is they want us to pay the bill of this us let the need to lead to war in the front end is profitable. it gauge russia. they want us to pay the bill be because they want to focus on their main enemy against china. and this is the problem for us europeans, as long as we follow the united states in our foreign and security policy, we will be full on the bus as we have seen in the past. for example, the, the, the, the ending of the war in a, in, of going to stop after 20 years. the us americans, when they left a common some they didn't even in for their allies, the so called allies. because actually they do not want to advertise the west is just interested in vessels. as henry kissinger one stated, we don't have any of these. we don't have a friends,
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we just have interest 7 babbling. i'll stop you. the bull from germany, sorry about getting connected alliance. foreign policy spokesperson and officer of nato are reckoning with the atlantic alliance after the spring. the . the of course it near wash. lots of stuff is a way out of the key at the fortune of us, not certain in the sports and she goes and it was, it was you the story and pushing nate or studio and i see for sure option that this be so for ship off we started last week and you want to do it was a school in your welski territory. so this could save the natural logos of it. so when we ship portion of the forwarded me, it was about
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a football. i still knew about chavo in gold and on my side as close as you was. and i thought i thought the solution to continue, would you go out and i get bully now? probably. and that should be some pieces to see about sort those sort of introduce the both so comfortable develop those them just got a smith. josh kept bluish voice coming out on the desktop desktop before to scroll down to me. so i'm on the policy coverage, the waiting you go, are you still not done? i'll go back to normal. yeah, i get to talk about the scheme of watch, but wanted to circle comfortable the some about on there and the desktop. i dropped off some stuff. some of the the welcome back to going under brian, i'm still here with the member of the german going to should i get older?
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i'm new to a reckoning with the atlantic alliance of him that doing the 7 at the end of $51.00, you were talking about the vast selection of european states. i do want to get onto your amazing book nato. as a reckoning with the atlantic alliance. you were referring earlier to, i suppose, the lack of education in your, of about how they are about so states and in your book, you refer to something called cognitive warfare. i know ahead of tomorrow's elections in germany. you have the amazing media concentration. of course. thanks to trump in, in, on must, can we now know the, the, we know the links to actual spring are in both of them and to inside the, the state department. there are beings also to of allegations now for meat on most of the development of government deficiency. what is cognitive wolf areas outlined in your latest book? as you know, we know we do have 3 moves of a as an a tool to make this austin
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a tool where it defines itself as an alliance of a defense of international, more of value use and of democracies. and this is something i was trying to deconstruct in the book, but also at the, you know, in, in, in our time, wars are not just one by militarily in the country where the worst taken over. but also in the homeland you have to win the ads and the how the people for doing this war. and that's why natal, for example, has this college in, in room and it's a link. and as they are, they, they are planning, organizing and networking holiday, trying to, to, to, to attack the heads of the people and the half of the people to,
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to win them for the war. you know, our a friend, our common friend, julia and i saw the journalist once as stated that people do not have one more. it's just the media when stand because of lice, air force, and to promote the wars and, and this is the, the aim of the, of the cognitive war and of a concept of the need to, they try to have a network of lectures at the universities of think sayings or media or, and trying to put the narrative like we do have actually in germany for example, i just want to tell you in uh, since 2 years time, they're always in the mainstream media trying to impose the people that russia is a threat. and russia is going to attack x, the natal country, germany, and in the 4 years time, for example,
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the defense ministers is saying and all the info lenses of the nature. and trying to put this narrative into the heads of the people. and as you can see, according to pools of people believes this narrative of the military and the military expenses of the, of the natal stage, only in europe are 480000000000. and the whole budget of the, the national budget of russia is 400000000000. so there's no point that a russia could be, they telling me, you know, be a threat to the nate, to a member states in europe or to the whole nature. but they tried to put this into the head, and that's the problem of the mainstream media was really very much in the hands of this native narratives, except the incentives to john slo sholtes, even he said kids dom or britain's id are sending in thousands of european troops
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to attack russia after the trump peace plan goes into action. he didn't like that idea a tool. so presumably in germany, the idea of sending german soldiers into ukraine is not a, not an option b mines in germany and not as controlled as they are in britain to. well, i mean, we know that the britons very much more aggressive. we have seen this was, there's a, i believe, a piece of pregnant is the worst johnson and in the spring 2022. when he and the united states of, of us administration of biden, at the top of the, the peace negotiations between russia and a and ukraine. and it's stumbled for example, because they don't care about lives as human beings. and they just care about their own uh, interest it gates, russia and uh, but the problem is with sending troops. our experience with the german chancellor
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is add that he says something. and then later on he forget what you said. so he had a levels of, of he has and this year that's the political trouble of, of him. and i do believe that they have waited till the elections, the national elections on the 23rd of february. because we had this discussion before a few months ago. it was a, it, it's a cute that, that they are thinking in uh behind the scenes about sending german troops on euclid installed to the border of russia. if there is a seas fine ones in between russia and ukraine, and this was now miss that a headset, the defense municipal united states. he said that in speech, in a munich, and this is a very boy, isn't poisoned a proposal because it's, uh, it's from my point of view. it's a disaster. if we were to happen because the board is almost 2000 kilometers
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and which has to be watched out with the troops that and the time was 50 or 200000 troops has to be there. and i mean, regarding our german history, it would say it would mean that sending german troops to watch this a ceasefire. and if the seas buyer is, um, is broken, german troops would be getting war against russia and they would shoot to russian soldiers. i mean, we have the history of the 2nd world war where we, uh, attacked russia and a rush of the soviet union we attacked of. so if you're doing an end date leverage at the europe from a driven fascism. so i can't believe that something like this would have, and that's why maybe they hesitating at the moment,
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but we don't know what they're going to do because as what do we know is that a german government and it doesn't matter which party is morning, they are vessels of the united states, and if the united states one step to send the troops, i believe that they going to do this. this will be very, very, a disaster. the video link keeps going down. i don't know whether that's your dream and the government already tried to send to this conversation. who knows, except of course, if they are a vassal state, they should the baby or the new orders from donald trump. uh, give me their, if their boss is or washington, i suppose the point is you're saying it's a kind of deep states in washington, not donald trump, clearly or lieutenant colonel to say, gab it in your book. you talk about them constant, the stabilization of europe since the 2nd world war. you mentioned the t lee, i don't know whether the prime minister maloney will close down the nato defense
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college you write about in the book. just remind us as we come to an end here, how many sold us soldiers are occupying germany right now and what tomorrow's election mean for rams, teen base groundwater base, heidelberg, spying them. your country is full of what a 100000 united states soldiers. okay. wow. i prefer they could go on to trump of course. well, officially we do have 40000. uh, yeah. on gym and sorta and us troops. and, but we do have uh uh, in europe. uh, officially more than 100000 and, and the, uh, the new administration off from they announced that they going to pull back a 20000 so they some going to leave a 2000. but the del meta actually, uh, the problem is, of all the bases, you know, we do have a to basis. i mean, it's a german, that the federal republic of germany is actually an area of the united states army
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. when you see the, the map of the, of the basis you not only need a base is also the c i a with a that a so violence of mass. so violence. yeah. and the drawing strikes with the really station on the outside basis, for example. so it's much more than just the truth. i do believe we don't need this us troops. our position of the vodka headlines is that they should pull out there. so just as send them back home to the united states and take with them that was a nuclear booms which are still on german. saw here officially just 20, but who knows? because the german government is not celebrated enough to control their own german . so what's going on here on getting so not so we don't know if this is true with a 20 nuclear bombs, but i would, i mean,
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welcome if they would leave. but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't have good relations to the super poly united states. i believe, and my part you me to believe that we do need good relations to super policy and the upcoming powers. i mean, that means to russia to try now to united states, but also to brazil, to india, to south africa, to indonesia. we'd need good relations because of our geographic situation in europe and a, and we do need a policy of goods make it look good with russia. you know, you can change the geography a russia is pop of europe and will be taught of europe in the future. and that's why we believe we need a new policy european, secure, which in foreign policy we're just summarizing which is independent from the united states. so we don't need the troops, but we just want to have good relation to all the powers which i want to give you
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is the trump policy. just finally for us, this is our of i can collect alliance. just finally remind us. and this will be the issue upon which the election will be one of the different members of parliament on sunday, described the amount of poverty that is effecting a germany the north stream pipeline destroyed by the c. i a under joe biden, affecting energy supplies, causing inflation in your country. and how much more prosperous can germany be and more equal a country? can it be if it, if it takes on your policies with the, sorry, well, i can connect alliance. just let me uh tell you. oh, once thing before, um, because you said it is a trump administration option. yes. but we see the trumpet installation very diverse. i mean, we are well coming that you wants to end the war, but we know he is not a piece. a piece of angel. he is not a pacifist,
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that he wants to a stop all the worse, all or going worse. and he wants to concentrate on his main enemy, china and our last 2nd largest economy, partner trade talk now. and he wants us to follow him. and this is something which is very dangerous because we stopped the economics trade relations with russia, which, which was one of the causes of the german prosperity because of cheap energy. and now we're going to do the same mistake if we follow the complication policy of the united states against china, our 2nd largest trade partner. and we also see that trump is going to make it at the cleansing in the gaza strip a case the police did. and which is a violation of international law. it's a, it's a, it's a violation against humanity. and we have to stop this o. c of the united states. well, i was the, i mean we, we, a good handed,
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the good luck tomorrow. good luck on sunday. thank you very much, 7, that of the thank you. that's it for the show. and nato, a reckoning with the logic alliance is out. now we'll be back on monday with the mand tip. a loan must be the next boss of the us schedule. was a veteran congressman fuller presidential candidate in the bay area. and i go and dr. on pool and you'll then give it to us. why will that social media if it's not sense of do a country and how do i channel a thing on even tv on rumble, dot com to watch new and old episodes, going underground. see monday, the the crump is more on us than most americans, politicians. here's the one that was exposed,
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