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cooperation headspace, the cost on this is thought to jake, why does not ship between both countries and fuel shop and the defense sucks daughter also, it allows for the exchange of knowledge on this goods that in bro, but a cnn defense capacity. especially among combine on areas like bes keeping the forces us because etc. and so you mentioned that in venetia, is there any folded up a conflict resolution as the students continued their journey? very mean mindful of the larger purpose behind their education. for them, every lecture, every discussion and every new lesson learned brings them one step closer to a stronger palestine. given we are returning to palestine. we'll be working now
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with the palestinian government. i want to return and open the pharmacy the, the, the of, to graduating from college in indonesia. i will return to palestine to work. i will be working there to help the palestinian people. that is my main goal. indonesia continued to show its unwavering solidarity with palestine, not just through st actions, but by welcoming the students. it represents more than friendship between 2 countries. it's solid support for palestine to she, it's on the future. they be going to be the portal reporting for our d from broke or indonesia. well, one of the swaps of the series of prisoners swaps today and gaza is underway right now. we can see live pictures on your screen right behind me. it looks like the red cross, the international red cross has of course arrived there already and they've signed the exchange agreement with a mouse right now, we're looking at these live pictures in which another 4 hostages are expected to
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be handed off to the international red cross which will, of course, take them back to their families in israel, you can see many people have showed up to the ceremony, many members of the, aka psalms for brigades of hamas, which is obviously the military wing of the political organization and this swap of another for hostages in exchange for hundreds of palestinians that are expected to be given back to their families. of course, it has been prisoners and is rarely institutions for their over a wide array of years. and many of them have had light sentences for at the very least the 10s ads are decades in is rarely prisons. but this is part of the 2nd phase of the ceasefire agreement that has been signed between
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a moss and israel as was a broker. and by a number of countries, like, for example, the united states and egypt. so, so far, the 2nd phase of a cease fire is underway. the hostages are being exchanged. although the state of the cease fire does remain shaky and we will have to see how this continues as time goes on the the match sooner. chance in welcome to going under the bulk of single around the world from the us of a middle east that hosted peace talks the good finally in the nature of proxy war
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and russia through ukraine and of a world war 3. donald trump said afterwards that ukraine should never have started the war. predictably the response from european the leads ahead of elections in its most powerful economy. germany, tomorrow has been panic. chaos and the reevaluation of the spaces says that trapeze of washington. since the end of the 2nd world war and the formation of nato, trump's vice president j, the von slammed your lack of freedom to in comprehension from european nature members at the munich security conference. so guess tom of the british prime minister and persecutor of julian assange immediately proposed sending thousands of u. k. soldiers to fight for russia. this is, it was revealed, the 3 i to, for the elderly and britain cannot afford to heat the homes. it has truly be nato, a reckoning with the atlantic alliance. and that's the view title of the new book by a member of the german bush drag and foreign policies folks present for the sorry to bug and collect alliance 7 dads, and then she joins me again from balance. 7,
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thanks so much for coming on before i even get to your book into a piece in a time perhaps. but a real piece. uh, what happened as regards uh, francesco, been a z the you in special rep. what you are on palestine. she was in germany, i understand you, you met her as regards the u. k. you as you um, genocide and gaza or yeah, and i mean, you know, in a sense of course, what gave events did as a vice president of the united states is inches hearing and 2 of the ontario, affairs of germany and disrespect into serenity of the federal republic of germany, of course, the german government, the actual one and the former ones, they did. it also interfere in the electoral campaign. harris versus a trump, i'd say they say the parents, so i, i really judge them as well,
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but i didn't think we should respect the. so rosie is of the country is, 1st of all, the 2nd thing is, do we were, what do you, but what happened is, are gods, are you referring to j events insulting? yeah. your parts, lack of free spirit effect. yeah. and his speech at the munich security conference because you mentioned this, and that's true, that's a did. she has a point on this because we have a lot of a freedom of press freedom of speech in the air in german society, especially in the last years. we, we could observe that during the pandemic period, everyone who criticized in germany the measures which were very much evaluated by a 90 our human rights. all of them into rights, according to our constitution. they put them into a very uh at the same them as, as uh, as far right and so on. and now we do have um,
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an attack on freedom of speech. the freedom all gathered together and protest regarding israel because the unconditional support of the german government regarding the the is randy elmore, in the gaza strip in sending weapons in, um, outing the militarily, but also in an economic and political way a and the depth of the steps as on policy, this has such an outcome that everyone who is criticizing the various tar white extremist government of natania. oh, it is right here. they say this is an to so my to them. and this is the problem and in the general column, and they toss bills and motions of from the question democrats associated with press, the green, the liberals, and even the less pop in germany. we as that about crazy alliance,
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we were the only one who proposed his bills and motions. in this motions. it says that everyone has previous sizing, almost everyone has put a sizing space away. the government has an interest in it, and that's why we have to for beds. they are like, just at the universities, we have to parties, school people in the schools when they are criticizing these way and the government and also capital funds of in theaters of actors and so on. so it is a very big attack on freedom of speech away, and there's usually a towards elections of germany, sunday's elections in germany, a your, the on the policy who really respects free speech and a kind of american 1st amendment as well. uh, unfortunately it is so in november, last year end in uh, february this year, this parties past this bills and uh, we say this is
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a very big attack on freedom of speech and also the freedom of science because it is an attack on the universities at the universities, and this is a, for example, the reason by francesca albany is i really do like it very much. i had her in did you have a parliament and i gave her the possibility i will come to to come and do the lecture in the german parliament because i do. ringback leave that is also a disrespect to the united nations. i mean, she's not anybody. she is a special rucker to all the united nations. and every one who's always saying and talking about an international order international lawyer has to respect a special wrestler to update the united nations from my perspective. but if that happened in the week of the leading up to the elections, obviously democracy only exists if there is free speech. all the elections in
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germany this week, fair given you don't have freedom of speech in germany. it is literally like j. d events, drums, vice president for say, for well i, i have to admit that we do have some problems with the german media as well. so because we have a more and more freaking spaces in the public regarding a mainstream versus a different opinions. but we have this in the last few years, not just a, it's of extra extra real situation regarding is way past the time. we had this 3 years, ongoing war against different opinions regarding the war and ukraine. every one who was in favor of negotiations stopped to kill the people. it doesn't matter. ukrainian or russian stop the killings and the war a and to have peace and you play it. everyone was defamed as pregnant party brandon
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puppets. up to 2 assets and so on. and especially, oh, apache, because a b, s, w, a is out of boxes. your lives was founded. i mean, we split from the left party because they did leave all the positions on peace. and they were in favor about some of them at all. but for delivery as to your bread and they waited and are still in stable sanctions against russia which are harming the german industry and the german people, but not the russian industry as we know. so we split because we, where from the beginning the only party were in favor of negotiations and to end the war and also against the need to expansion, which is the cause of this conflict. and i very welcome that the new president of the united states, stomachs from seas. this cause of this conflicts and say,
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there is no prospective of nature nature membership for you free will your foreign minister maybe not foreign minister next week, who knows? and then lena bear block, she so she a previously, she said she wanted um, puts in on trial. suddenly off to donald trump said zalinski is a dictator for not having elections in ukraine. suddenly she said that actually these negotiations based negotiations initiated by trump may be useful. do you think it'll make any difference to this present to the government at sunday's election? suddenly coming round to the idea after maybe maybe a 1000000 have been killed in ukraine. suddenly realizing it's, it's okay to have peace talks as well. we have to be careful, we have to see how it goes. because i mean, while russia and the west are negotiating and react in saudi
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arabia and also discussing about energy investments and some other, he cannot because they couldn't make exchangers, the european union, the european commission, the european member states included the german government. they now decided on the 16th package of sanctions against russia. why the negotiations are going on to end this war. and also the united states said that they want to lift the sections the us tensions towards the 20 russian bank. so i think it's just, you know, insanity in europe and brussels and burden and all over the place here in europe. we're seeing that they can run this war. uh, still uh, although, uh the, the us wants to end this war. so we have to be very careful on this. and the 2nd
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thing is, i mean, in the same of babel, you can see that they are or victims of that, that relates to the united states. the united states has the best deals in europe in brussel, brussels. you know, i mean, the european commission is an agency of the heads up on of the united states of the white house. they are just doing what the white house says, and it's the same with the driven, minnesota fine affairs. i mean, i'm running a babble is the best german foreign minister, the united states as a head in one job. and so, so that makes them as the victims because they followed 3 years. the policy of joe biden, to militarily and economically, really in russia that was the goal of the bible and administration. now the administration changed the policy change,
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and now they are very opportunistic as you can see in changing the positions. because they have to follow the hedge and one united states and, and that makes it very difficult and dangerous for europe because we, as europeans, has to understand our interests. i'm not, let's say, like the interest of the united states. i mean, i am really glad and delighted that the new government wants to stop the war and the killing in the united states because they did start this at the beginning in the, on the, in ukraine. but the problem is they want us to pay the bill of this us let the need to lead to war english, right. in this proxy war against russia, they want us to pay the bill be because they want to focus on their main. and i mean against child and i, and this is a problem for us, europeans, as long as we follow the united states in our foreign and security policy, we will be full on the bus as we have seen in the past. for example, the, the, the,
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the ending of the war in, in, of going to stop after 20 years. the u. s. americans, when they left a comma some, they didn't even explore their allies, the so called allies. because actually they do not want to advertise the west is just interested in vessels. as henry kissinger one stated, we don't have any of these. we don't have a friends, we just have interest 7 babbling. i'll stop you. the bull from germany, sorry about getting to that cuz a lot as far as well as the spokesperson and dual offer of nato or reckoning with the atlantic alliance after the spring, the the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the member of the german bullish bag and all of them nature reckoning with the atlantic alliance of him, dazzling a 7 at the end of 51,
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you were talking about the vast selection of european states. i do want to get onto your amazing book nato, at a reckoning with the atlantic alliance. you were referring earlier to, i suppose, the lack of education in your, of about how they are vassal states. and in your book, you refer to something cool cognitive warfare. i know ahead of tomorrow's elections in germany. you have the amazing media concentration. of course, thanks to trumping in on musk, we now know the, the, we don't know the links to actual spring or in both of them and to inside the, the state department. there are beings all sorts of allegations now for me on most of the development of government efficiency. what is called native wolf areas outlined in your latest book. as you know, we know we do have 3 moves of a as in a tool to make this austin a tool where it defines itself as an alliance of
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a defense of international of values and of democracies. and this is something i was trying to construct in the book, but also at the, you know, in, in, in our time, wars are not just one by militarily in the country where the worst taken over. but also in the homeland you have to win the ads and the how old the people for doing this war. and that's why natal, for example, has this college in, in rome. and it's elise, and as they are they, they are planning, organizing and networking holiday, trying to, to, to, to attack the heads of the people and the half of the people to, to win them for the war. you know, our friends, our common friend judy and i saw the june of this once as stated,
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that people do not have one more. it's just the media when stand because of lice, air force, and to promote the wars and, and this is the, the aim of the, of the cognitive war and of a concept of the need to be trying to have a network of lectures at the universities of things sayings of media are and trying to the narrative, like we do have actually in germany for example, i just want to tell you in uh, since 2 years time, they're always in the mainstream media trying to impose the people that russia is a threat and russia is going to attack x, the natal country, germany and in the, in the 4 years time, for example, the defense ministers is saying and all the info lenses of the natal. and trying to
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put this narrative into the heads of the people. and as you can see, according to pools or people believes this narrative of the military and the military expenses of the, of the natal stage, only in europe are 482000000000. and the whole budget of the, the national budget of russia is 400000000000. so there's no point that russia could me to calculate, you know, be a threat to the nate, to member states in europe off to the whole nature. but they tried to put this into the head, and that's the problem of the mainstream media. was really very much in the hands of this native narratives except the incentives to john slo sholtes, even he said, guess dom or britain's id or of sending in thousands of european troops to attack russia. after the trump peace plan goes into action. he didn't like that idea
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a tool. so presumably in germany, the idea of sending german soldiers into ukraine is not a, not an option the mines in germany and not as controlled as they are in britain to . well, i mean, we know that the britons very much more aggressive. we have seen this with this. i believe a piece of pregnant is the worst. johnson in the spring 2022 when he and the united states of us administration of biden, at the top of the, the peace negotiations between workshop and a and ukraine and is stumbled for example, because they don't care about lice and human beings. and they just care about their own uh, interest it gave russia and about the problem is with sending troops. as our experience with the german chancellor is ad that he says something. and then later on he forgets what you said. so he had a levels of, of he, at the end this year,
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that's the political trouble of, of him. and i do believe that they'll wait until the elections, the national elections on the 23rd of february. because we had this discussion before a few months ago. it was, uh, it, it appears that uh, that they are thinking in uh behind the scenes about sending german troops on euclid installed to the border of russia. if there is a seas fine ones in between russia and ukraine, and this was now miss the headset, the defense municipal united states. he said that in this speech, in a munich, and this is a very boy, isn't poisoned a proposal because it's, uh, it's from my point of view. it's a disaster. if we were to happen because the board is almost 2000 kilometers
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and which has to be watched out with the troops that and the time where it's 50 or 200000 troops has to be there. and i mean, regarding our german history, it would say it would mean that sending german troops to watch this a ceasefire. and if the seas wire is, is broken, german troops would be in work against russia and they would shoot to russian soldiers. i mean, at our we have the history of the 2nd world war where we, uh, attacked russia and a rush of the soviet union we attacked of. so if you're doing an end date leverage at the europe from driven fascism. so i can't believe that something like this would have to, and that's why, maybe they hesitating at the moment, but we, we don't know what they are going to do because as what do we know is that the
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german government and it doesn't matter which party is morning they are vessels, both the united states, and if the united states, one step to send the troops, i believe that they going to do this and this will be very, very, a disaster. the video link keeps going down. i don't know whether that's your gym and the government already tried to send to this conversation. who knows, except of course, if they are a vassal state, they should the baby or the new orders from donald trump. uh, give me their, if their bosses or washington. i suppose the point is you're saying it's a kind of deep state in washington, not donald trump, clearly or lieutenant colonel to see god. but in your book, you talk about the constant, the stabilization of your up since the 2nd world war. you mentioned the t lee, i don't know whether a prime minister maloney will close down the nato defense college you write about in the book. just remind us as we come to an end here,
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how many sold us soldiers are occupying germany right now. and what tomorrow's election mean for rams, dean based groundwater base, heidelberg, spying them. you'll country is full of what a $100000.00 united states soldiers. okay. wow. i prefer they could go on to trump . of course. well officially we do have 40000. it's an on gym and so, and us troops and, but we do have a in europe officially more than 100000 and, and the, the new administration off from, they announced that they going to pull back a 20000. so they from going to leave a 2000, but the meta, actually, the problem is, of all the bases. you know, we do have a basis. i mean, it's a german, that the federal republic of germany is actually at tough carrier, all the united states army. when you see the, the map of the, of the basis you,
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not only the base is also the c i a with that as the violence, the mass. so violence. yeah. and the drone strikes with the relief station on the outside basis, for example. so it's much more than just the truth. i do believe we don't need this us troops. our position of those out by cash slides is that they should pull out there. so just a send them back home to the united states and take with them that was a nuclear bombs which are still on german. saw here officially just 20, but who knows? because the german government is not silver enough to control their own german. so what's going on here on jim? so i'm not so we don't know if this is true with a tried to nuclear bombs, but i would, i mean, we'll come if they would leave. but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't have good
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relations to the super poly united states. i believe my party. we do believe that we do need good relations to super policy and the upcoming powers. i mean, that means to russia to try now, to united states, but also to brazil, to india, to south africa, to indonesia. we'd need good relations because of our geographic situation in europe. and, and we do need a policy of who need the hood with russia. you know, you can change the geography. russia is top of europe and will be part of europe in the future. and that's why we believe we need a new policy. european security and foreign policy, which is summarized, which is independent from the united states. so we don't need the troops, but we just want to have good relation to all the powers which i want to give you is the trump policy. just finally for this is our of i can collect alliance. just
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finally remind us. and this will be the issue upon which the election will be one of the different members of parliament on sunday, described the amount of poverty that is effecting germany the north stream pipeline destroyed by the c. i a under joe biden, affecting energy supplies, causing inflation in your country. how much more prosperous can germany be and more equal a country? can it be if it, if it takes on your policies of, sorry, well, i can collect alliance. just let me uh tell you. oh, once thing before, um because you said at the is the trump administration option? yes, but we see the trumpet installation very diverse. i mean, we are well coming that you wants to end the war, but we know he is not a piece. a piece of angel. he is not a pacifist, that he wants to a stop all the worse, all or going worse. and he wants to concentrate on his main enemy,
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china and our 2nd largest economy upon the trade talk now. and he wants us to follow him. and this is something which is very dangerous because we stopped the economics trade relations with russia, which, which was one of the causes of the german prosperity because of cheap energy. and now we're going to do the same mistake if we follow the complication policy of the united states against china, our 2nd largest trade partner. and we also see that trump is going to make the cleansing in the gaza strip a case. the police did is which is a violation of international law. it's a, it's a, it's a violation against humanity and we have to stop this and see of the united states . well, i was the, i mean we, we the good luck tomorrow. good luck on sunday. thank you very much for having that
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other. thank you. that's it for the show. and nato, a reckoning with the atlantic alliance is out. now we'll be back on monday with the manned tip. a lot must can be the next boss. i'll be us. federal was a veteran congressman, fully a presidential candidate and the but jerry and i go and jump to run, pull until then keep it. that's fine. well, that's actually do it's nonsense and your country and how do i channel going on? the run tv on rumbled dot com to let you know the episodes are going underground. see monday, the breaking news. some us releases 5 out of 6 is ready. hostages from bozza under the terms of a fragile police fire, an exchange hundreds of palestinian prisoners are due to be freed from its barely jails later today, the president trump runs out of patience with the balloons. d, as the us leader says, yeah, this.

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