the engagement to close the trail when so many find themselves will support, we choose to look so common ground the the option are tense in welcome to going undergrad, real guessing around the world from the us of a middle east that hosted peace talks that good finally and the nature of proxy war and russia through ukraine and of a world war 3. donald trump set off towards that ukraine should never have started the war. predictably, the response from european the leads ahead of elections in its most powerful economy. germany, tomorrow has been panic. chaos and the reevaluation of the spaces says that trapeze

of washington since the end of the 2nd world war and the formation of nato. trump's vice president j. the vance, your lack of freedom to in comprehension from european nathan members at the munich security conference. so guess, tom of the british prime minister and persecutor of julian assange immediately propos, sending thousands of u. k. soldiers to fight for russia. this is, it was revealed, the 3 of the for the elderly and britain cannot afford to heat the homes. it has truly be nato, a reckoning with the atlantic alliance, and that's the view title of the new book by a member of the german. but the shag and foreign policies folks present for the sort of bug and collect alliance 7 data, and she joins me again from bell and or 7, thanks so much for coming on before i even get to your book into a piece in a time perhaps, but a real piece uh, what happened as regards uh, francesco, been a z u and special rep with her on palestine. she was in germany. i understand you,

you met her as regards the u. k. u. s. u um genocide in gaza. yeah, and i mean, you know, in a sense, of course, what gage events did as a vice president of the united states is in his hearing and 2 of the interior affairs of germany and disrespected, the serenity of the federal republic of germany. of course, the german government, the actual one and the former ones, they did. it also interfere in the electoral campaign. harris versus a trump, i'd say they say the parents, so i, i really judge them as well. but i do think we should respect the. so rosie is of the country is, 1st of all, the 2nd thing is, do we were, what do you? but what happened is, are gods, are you referring to j, d months insulting? yeah. your apartments lack of free spirit effect. yeah. and his speech at the

munich security conference because you mentioned this and it's true that did. she has a point on this because we have a lot of a freedom of press freedom of speech in the, in german society, especially in the last years we. we could observe that during the pandemic period, everyone who criticized in germany the measures which are where very much of value by aligned to our human rights, all of them into rights, according to our constitution. they put them into, uh, very uh, defense them as a, as a, as far right and so on. and now we do have an attack on freedom of speech, the freedom of gathering together and protests regarding israel because the unconditional support of the german government regarding the the is randy elmore,

in the gaza strip in sending weapons and helping them militarily. but also in an economic and political way a and the hazel dead, the stops as on the policy. this has such an outcome that everyone who is criticizing the various tar white extremist government of nathaniel boeing is right here. they say this is interest semitism. and this is a problem and in the general call them and they talked bills and motions of from the question, democrats of social democrats, the green, the liberals, and even the less pop in germany. we as that about crazy alliance, we were the only one who proposed his bills and motions in this motions. it says that everyone has previous sizing, almost everyone has put a sizing phase way. the government has an interest in it, and that's why we have to forbid they ask leg. just at the universities, we have to part of school people in the schools when they are criticizing these way

in the government. and also cut the funds off in theaters of actors and so on. so it is a very big attack on freedom of speech away. and there's usually a tomorrow's elections of germany, sunday's elections on germany. you're the only policy who really respects free speech and a kind of american 1st amendment as well. uh, unfortunately it is so in november, last year end in uh, february this year, this parties past this bills and uh, we say this is a very big attack on freedom of speech and also the freedom of science because it is an attack on the universities at the universities, and this is a, for example, the reason by francesca albany is i really do like it very much. i had her in the gem upon them and, and i gave her the put a possibility i will come to,

to come and do the lecture in the german parliament because i do believe that this is also a disrespect to the united nations. i mean, she's not anybody, she is a special rucker to all the united nations and every one who's always saying and talking about the international uh, or the international law has to respect the special regular to update the united nations from my perspective. but if that happened in the week of the leading up to the elections, obviously democracy only exists if there is free speech or the elections in germany this week. fair given you don't have freedom of speech in germany. it is literally like j. d events, drums, vice president for say, as well i, i have to admit that we do have some problems with the german media as well. so because we have

a more and more freaking spaces in the public regarding a mainstream versus a different opinions. but we have this in the last few years, not just a, it's a batch. actual situation regarding is way past the time. we had this 3 years, ongoing war against different opinions regarding the war and ukraine. every one who was in favor of negotiations stopped to kill the people and doesn't matter. ukrainian or wash hands, stop the killings and the war and have peace and you play it. everyone was defend as primitive party brendan puppets. up to 2 assets and so on. and especially, oh, apache, because a b, s, w, a is out of boxes. your lives was founded. i mean, we split from the left party because they did leave all the positions on peace. and

they were in favor about some of them, a weapon deliveries to your brit. and they went in and are still in fable sanctions against russia, which are harming the german industry and the german people. but not the russian industry as we know. so we split because we, where from the beginning the only party were in favor of negotiations and to end the war. and also it gains to me to expansion, which is the cause of this conflict. and i very welcome that the new president of the united states, stomachs from seas. this cause of this conflicts and say phase no perspective of nato natal membership for you frame. will your foreign minister maybe not foreign minister next week? who knows? and then in a bad block. so she, uh, previously she said she wanted um, puts in on trial. suddenly off to donald trump said zalinski is

a dictator for not having elections in ukraine. suddenly she said that actually these negotiations, peace negotiations initiated by trump may be useful. do you think it'll make any difference to this present to government at sunday's election? suddenly coming round to the idea after maybe, maybe a 1000000 have been killed in ukraine. suddenly realizing it's, it's okay to have peace talks as well. we have to be careful, we have to see how it goes. because i mean, while russia and the west are negotiating and react in saudi arabia and also discussing about energy investments and some other economic, a comic exchangers, the european union, the european commission, the european member states,

included the german government. they now decided on a 16th package of sanctions against russia, why the negotiations are going on to end this war. and also the united states said that they want to lift the sections the us tensions towards 20 russian bang. so i think it's just, you know, insanity in europe and brussels and bird and, and all over the place here in europe was saying that they can run this war. uh, still uh, although, uh, the us wants to emphasize more. so we asked to be very careful on this. and the 2nd thing is, i mean, in the same of babble, you can see that they are or victims of them that relates to the united states. the united states has the best deals in europe in brussel, brussels. you know, i mean, the european commission is an agency of the head, your mind of the united states,

of the white house. they are just doing what the white house says, and it's the same with the driven, minnesota fine affairs. i mean, i mean i babble is the best german foreign minister, the united states as a head in one job. and so, so that makes them as the victims because they followed 3 years. the policy of joe biden, to militarily and economically, really in russia that was the goal of the bible and administration. now the administration changed the policy change, and now they are very optimistic, as you can see in changing the positions. because they have to follow the hedge them on the united states and, and that makes it very difficult and dangerous for europe because we, as europeans, has to understand our interests. i'm not, let's say,

like the interest on the united states. i mean, i am really glad and delighted that the new government wants to stop the war and the killing in the united states because they did start this at the beginning in the, on the, in ukraine. but the problem is they want us to pay the bill of this us let the need to lead to war in ukraine. this proxy will it gauge russia. they want us to pay the bill be because they want to focus on their main. and i mean, it gains china and this is the problem for us, europeans, as long as we follow the united states in our foreign and security policy, we will be full on the bus as we have seen in the past. for example, the, the ending of the war in a, in a scanner stop after 20 years. the u. s. americans, when they left a common stump, they didn't even in for their allies. the so called allies because actually they do

not want the allies. the west is just interested in vessels, as henry kissinger one stated, we don't have any of these. we don't have a friends, we just have interest 7 babbling. i'll stop you. the bull from germany, sorry about getting connected alliance. foreign policy spokesperson and officer of nato are reckoning with the atlantic alliance after the spring, the the, the, the

the the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the member, the gentleman going to shag, an order of nato, a reckoning with the atlantic alliance of him, dazzling the 7. at the end of $51.00, you were talking about the vast selection of european states. i do want to get onto your amazing book nato, as a reckoning with the atlantic alliance. you were referring earlier to, i suppose,

the lack of education in your, of about how they are about so states. and in your book, you refer to something called cognitive warfare. i know ahead of tomorrow's elections in germany. you have the amazing media concentration. of course, thanks to trump in, in on must green. no, no, the, the, we all know the links to actual spring are in both of them and to inside the, the state department. there beings all sorts of allegations. now for me, on most of the development of government deficiency, what is cognitive wolf areas outlined in your latest book? as you know, we know we do have 3 moves of a as in a tool. this is austin, a tool where it defines itself as an alliance of defense, of international, of values and of democracies. and this is something i was trying to deconstruct

in the book. but also at the, you know, in, in, in our time, wars are not just one by militarily in the country, one of the worst taken over. but also in the homeland, you have to win the ads and the how all the people for doing this war. and that's why natal, for example, has this college in, in rome and italy. and as they are, they, they are planning, organizing and networking holiday, trying to, to, to, to attack the heads of the people and the half of the people to, to win them for the war. you know, our friend, our common friend julia and i saw the journalist once as stated that people do not have one more. it's just the media when stand because of lice, air force,

and, and to promote the wars and, and this is the, the aim of the, of the cognitive war and of a concept of the need to, they try to have a network of lectures at the universities of things, sayings of media are and trying to help the narrative, like we do have actually in germany, for example, i just want to tell you in uh, since 2 years time, they're always in the mainstream media trying to impose the people that russia is a threat and russia is going to attack x, the natal country, germany, and in the 4 years time, for example, the defense ministers is saying and all the image lenses of the nature. and trying to put this narrative into the heads of the people. and as you can see, according to pools of people believes this narrative of the military and

the military um, expenses of the, of the natal stage, only in europe, all 480000000000. and the whole budget of the, the national budget of russia is 400000000000. so there's no point that russia could be telling me, you know, be a threat to the nate, to member states in europe or to the whole nature. but they tried to put this into the hat, and that's the problem of the mainstream media. was really very much in the hands of this native narratives except the incentives to john slo sholtes, even he said, guess dom or britain's id or of sending in thousands of european troops to attack russia. after the trump peace plan goes into action. he didn't like that idea a tool. so presumably in germany, the idea of sending german soldiers into ukraine is not a,

not an option b mines in germany and not as controlled as they are in britain. think. well, i mean, we know that the britons very much more aggressive. we have seen this was this uh, actually a piece of pregnant as the worst. johnson in the spring 2022 when he and the united states of, of us administration of biden, at talking to the peace negotiations between russia and ukraine. and it's stumbled for example, because they don't care about lives as human beings. and they just care about their own uh, interest it gave russia and about the problem is with sending troops. so our experience with the german chancellor is add that he says something. and then later on he forgets what you said. so he had the levels of, of, he has an end this year. that's the political trouble of, of him. and i do believe that they are waiting till the elections,

the national elections on the 23rd of february. because we had this discussion before a few months ago. it was a, it, it's a cute that, that they are thinking in uh behind the scenes about sending german troops on euclidian solo to the border of russia. if they use a c spine ones in between russia and ukraine, and this was now miss that a headset, the defense municipal united states. he said that in this speech, in a munich, and this is a very or isn't always and a proposal because it's, it's from my point of view, it's a disaster. if we were to happen because the board is almost 2000 kilometers and which has to be watched out with a troops that and the time was 50 or 200000 troops has to be there. and um,

i mean, regarding our german history, it would say it would mean that sending german troops to watch this a ceasefire. and if the ceasefire is um, is broken, german troops would be getting war against russia and they would shoot to russian soldiers. i mean, we have the history of the 2nd world war where we, uh, attacked russia and a rush of soviet union we attacked of so we're doing an end date leverage at the europe from driven fascism. so i can't believe that something like this would have, and that's why maybe they hesitating at the moment, but we, we don't know what they are going to do because as what we know is that the german government and it doesn't matter which party is this morning, they are vessels of the united states,

and if the united states one step to send the troops, i believe that they going to do this. and this will be very, very, a disaster. the video link keeps going down. i don't know whether that's your german government already tried to send to this conversation. who knows, except of course, if they are a vassal state, they should the baby or the new or does from donald trump. uh, give me their, if their mazda is or washington, i suppose the point is you're saying it's a kind of deep state in washington, not donald trump, clearly or lieutenant colonel to say, god, but in your book, you talk about the constant, the stabilisation of europe, since the 2nd world war, you mentioned it to lee, i don't know whether a prime minister maloney will close down the nato defense college you write about in the book. just remind us as we come to an end here, how many sold us soldiers are occupying germany right now and what tomorrow's election mean for ramstein base groundwater base, heidelberg,

spying the you'll country is full of what a 100000 united states soldiers. okay. wow. i prefer they could go on the trump of course. well officially we do have 40000. uh, yeah. on gym and sort of uh us troops and, but we do have a in europe. uh, officially more than a 100000 and, and the uh, the new administration of, from they announced that they going to pull back a 20000 so they some going to leave a 2000. but the del meta actually, uh, the problem is, of all the bases, you know, we do have a basis. i mean, it's a german, that the federal republic of germany is actually at tough area. oh, the united states army. when you see the, the map of the all the basis you not only need a base is also the c i a with a that a so violence, the mass,

so violence. yeah. and the drawing strikes with the really station on the outside basis, for example. so it's much more than just the truth. i do believe we don't need this us troops. our position of the vodka headlines is that they should pull out there. so just a send them back home to the united states and take with them that would nuclear booms which are still on german. saw here officially just 20. but who knows? because the german government is not suffering enough to control their own gym and solve what's going on here on getting so not. so we don't know if this is true with a tricky nuclear bombs. but i would, i mean, well come if they would leave, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't have good relations to the super poly united states, i believe. and my part you, me to believe that we do need good relations to super policy and the upcoming

powers. i mean, that means to russia to try now to united states, but also to brazil, to india, to south africa, to indonesia. we'd need good relations because of our geographic situation in europe and a, and we do need a policy of who may give a quote with russia. you know, you can change the geography a russia is top of europe and will be part of europe in the future. and that's why we believe we need a new policy, european, secure, which in foreign policy we just saw the red, which is independent from the united states. so we don't need the troops, but we just want to have good relation to all the powers which i want to give you is the trump policy just behind me for this is our of i can collect alliance. just finally remind us. and this will be the issue of our know which the election will be one of the different members of parliament on sunday described the amount of

poverty that is effecting a germany the north stream pipeline destroyed by the c. i a under joe biden, affecting energy supplies, causing inflation in your country. and how much more prosperous can germany be and more equal a country? can it be if it, if it takes on your policies of the, sorry, well, i can connect alliance. just let me uh tell you. oh, once thing before, um, because you said it is a trump administration option. yes. but we see the trumpet installation very diverse. i mean, we are well coming that you wants to end the war, but we know he is not a piece. a piece of angel. he is not a pacifist, that he wants to a stop all the worse, all or going worse. and he wants to concentrate on his main enemy, china and our last 2nd largest economy, partner trade talk now. and he wants us to follow him. and this is something which

is very dangerous because we stopped the economics trade relations with russia, which, which was one of the causes of the german prosperity because of cheap energy. and now we're going to do the same mistake if we follow the complication policy of the united states against china, our 2nd largest trade partner. and we also see that trump is going to make it at the cleansing in the gaza strip a case the police did. and which is a violation of international law. it's a, it's a, it's a violation against humanity. and we have to stop this o. c of the united states. well, i was the, i think we, we handed the good luck tomorrow. good luck on sunday. thank you very much, 7 that other. thank you. that's it for the show. and nato, a reckoning with the logic alliance is out. now we'll be back on monday with the

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