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match sooner chance in welcome to going undergrad, broke up single, around the world from the us of a middle east that hosted peace talks the good finally in the nature of proxy war and russia through ukraine and of a 12 or 3, donald trump said afterwards that ukraine should never have started the war. predictably the response from european the leads ahead of elections in its most powerful economy. germany, tomorrow has been panic. chaos and the re evaluation of the spaces says that trapeze of washington. since the end of the 2nd world war and the formation of nato, trump's vice president j, the vance, your lack of freedom to in comprehension from european nature members at the munich security conference. so i guess tom of the british prime minister and persecutor of julian assange immediately proposed sending thousands of u. k. soldiers to fight for russia. this, as it was, revealed the 3 other for the elderly and britain cannot afford to heat the homes. it has truly be nato, a reckoning with the atlantic alliance, and that's
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a new title of the new book by a member of the german, but a shag and foreign policies. folks present for the sort of volume collect alliance 7 dads and then she joins me again from balance. 7, thanks so much for coming on before i even get to your book into a piece in a time, perhaps, but a real piece. uh, what happened as regards uh, francesco, been easy, the un special rubber, 2 around palestine. she was in germany. i understand you, you met her as regards the u. k. u. s. u um genocide in garza or yeah, and i mean, you know, in a sense of course what gage events did as a vice president of the united states is inches hearing and 2 of the ontario, affairs of germany and disrespect into serenity of the federal republic of germany, of course, the german government, the actual one at the former, once they did it also interfere in the electoral campaign. harris versus
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a trump. i'd say they say the parents, so i, i really judge them as well, but i do think we should respect the. so rosie is of the country is, 1st of all, the 2nd thing is, do we were, what do you, but what happened is we are gods. are you referring to j d months insulting? yeah. your parts lack of free speech effect. yeah. and his speech at the munich security conference because you mentioned this, and that's true, that's a did. she has a point on this because we have a lot of a freedom of press freedom of speech in the air in german society, especially in the last years. we, we could observe that during the pandemic period, everyone who criticized in germany the measures which were very much of value by a line to our human rights. i'll find them into rights according to our constitution
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. they put them into a very, defend them as a, as a, as far right and so on. and now we do have an attack on freedom of speech, the freedom of gathering together and protest regarding israel because the unconditional support of the german government regarding the the is randy elmore, in the gaza strip in sending weapons and helping them militarily. but also in an economic and political way age and the depth of the steps as on policy. this has such an outcome that everyone who is criticizing the various tar white extremist government of nathaniel boeing is right here. they say this is an to so my to them, and this is a problem. and in the general parliament, they tossed bills and motions from the question democrats associated with press,
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the green, the liberals, and even the less pop in germany. we as that of our cash alliance, we were the only one who proposed this bills and motions. in this motions, it says that everyone has previous slides and almost everyone has put a sizing space away. the government has an interest in it, and that's why we have to for beds. they are like, just at the universities, we have to parties, school people in the schools. when they are criticizing these ran the government and also capital funds of in theaters of actors and so on. so it is a very big attack on freedom of speech away. and there's usually a tomorrow's elections of germany, sunday's elections in germany. you're the only policy who really respects free speech and a kind of american 1st amendment as well. uh, unfortunately it is so in november, last year end in uh, february this year,
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this parties past this bills and uh, we say this is a very big attack on freedom of speech and also the freedom of science because it is an attack on the universities at the universities, and this is a, for example, the reason by francesca albany is i really do like it very much. i had her in did you have a parliament and i did. so there's a possibility i will come to to come and do the lecture in the german parliament because i do believe that this is also a disrespect to the united nations. i mean, she's not anybody. she is a special rucker to all the united nations and every one who's always saying and talking about an international order international lawyer has to respect a special reference to update uh, united nations, from my perspective. but if that happened in the week of the leading up to the
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elections, obviously democracy only exists if there is free speech. all the elections in germany this week, fair given you don't have freedom of speech in germany. it is literally like j. d buttons, drums, vice president for say, as well i, i have to admit that we do have some problems with the german media as well. so because we have a more and more freaking spaces in the public regarding a mainstream versus a different opinions. but we have this in the last few years, not just a, it's an extra extra one situation regarding is why post time we had this 3 years, ongoing war against different opinions regarding the war and ukraine. every one who was in favor of negotiations stopped to kill. the people doesn't
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matter. ukrainian or russian stopped the killings and the war a and to have peace in you for it. everyone was defamed as pregnant party brendan puppets, up to 2 assets and so on. and especially our property, because a b, s, w, a is out of boxes. your lives was founded. i mean, we split from the left party because they did leave all the positions on peace and they were in favor about some of them and of what the delivery is to your brit. and they waited and are still in favor of sanctions against russia, which are harming the german industry and the german people, but not the russian industry as we know. so we split because we, where from the beginning the only party were in favor of negotiations and to end the war and also against the need to expansion, which is the cause of this conflict. and i very welcome that the new president of
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the united states, stomachs from seas. this cause of this conflicts and say phase no perspective of nato natal membership for you frame. will your foreign minister maybe not foreign minister next week? who knows? and then in a bad block, she so she, uh, previously she said uh she wanted um, puts in on trial. suddenly off to donald trump said zelinski is the dictates of not having elections in ukraine. suddenly she said that actually these negotiations based negotiations initiated by trump may be useful. do you think it'll make any difference to this present to government at sunday's election? suddenly coming round to the idea after maybe maybe a 1000000 of been killed in ukraine. suddenly realizing it's, it's okay to have peace talks as well. we have to be careful. we have
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to see how it goes. because i mean, while russia and the west are negotiating and react in saudi arabia and also discussing about energy investments and some other, he cannot because they couldn't make exchangers, the european union, the european commission, the european member states included the german government. they now decided on the 16th package of sanctions against russia. why the negotiations are going on to end this war. and also the united states said that they want to list the sections, the us tensions towards the 20 russian bank. so i think it's just, you know, insanity in europe and brussels and bird, and i'm all over the place here in europe. we're seeing that they can run this war
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still. uh, although, uh the, the us wants to end this war. so we have to be very careful on this. and the 2nd thing is, i mean, in the same of babel, you can see that they are or victims of that, that relates to the united states. the united states has the best deals in europe in brussel, brussels. you know, i mean, the european commission is an agency of the hedge of one of the united states of the white house. they are just doing what the white house says, and it's the same with the driven, minnesota fine upstairs. i mean, i mean i babble is the best german foreign minister, the united states as a head in one job. and so, so that makes them as good victims because they followed 3 years. the policy of joe biden, to militarily and economically,
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really in russia that was the goal of the buys and administration. now the administration changed the policy change, and now they are very optimistic, as you can see in changing the positions. because they have to follow the hedge and one united states and, and that makes it very difficult and dangerous for europe because we, as europeans, has to understand our interests, let's say, like the interest on the united states. i mean, i am really glad and delighted that the new government wants to stop the war of the killing in the united states because they did start this at the beginning in the, on the, in ukraine. but the problem is they want us to pay the bill of this us let the need to lead to war ukraine, this proxy war against russia. they want us to pay the bill be because they want to focus on their main. and i mean against child and i, and this is the problem for us europeans,
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as long as we follow the united states in our foreign and security policy, we will be full on the bus as we have seen in the past. for example, the, the, the, the ending of the war in, in, of going to stop after 20 years. the u. s. americans, when they left a comma some, they didn't even explore their allies, the so called allies. because actually they do not want the allies. the west is just interested in vessels, as henry kissinger one stated, we don't have any of these. we don't have a friends, we just have interest 7 babbling. i'll stop you. the bull from germany, sorry about getting connected headlines, foreign policy spokesperson and officer of nato, a reckoning with the atlantic alliance after the spring, the the,
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the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with the member of the german bush bag, an order of nato, a reckoning with the atlantic alliance of him, dazzling the 7. at the end of $51.00, you were talking about the vast selection of european states. i do want to get onto your amazing book nato, as a reckoning with the atlantic alliance. you were referring earlier to, i suppose the lack of education in your up about how they are about so states and in your book, you refer to something called cognitive warfare. i know ahead of tomorrow's elections in germany. you have the amazing media concentration. of course. thanks to trump in, in on must green no, no the, the, we all know the links to actual spring are in both of them and to inside the, the state department. there are beings also to of allegations now for me on most of
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the development of government deficiency, what is cognitive wolf areas outlined in your latest book? as you know, we know we do have 3 moves of a as in a tool. this is austin, a tool where it defines itself as an alliance of a defense of international, of values and of democracies. and this is something i was trying to construct in the book, but also at the, you know, in, in, in our time, wars are not just one by militarily in the country. what are the words taken over, but also in the homeland you have to win the ads and the how all the people for doing this war. and that's why natal, for example, has this college in, in room in italy and as they are, they,
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they are planning and organizing and networking holiday trying to, to, to attack the heads of the people and the half of the people to, to win them for the war, you know, our friends, our common friend, julia and i saw the june of this once as stated, that people do not have one more. it's just the media when stand because of lice, air force, and to promote the wars and, and this is the, the aim of the, of the comparative war and of a concept of the need to they try to have a network of lectures at the universities of things sayings of media or, and trying to the narrative like we do have actually in germany for example, i just want to tell you, in uh, since 2 years time, they're always in the mainstream media trying to impose the people that russia is
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a threat and russia is going to attack x, the natal country, germany and in the, in the 4 years time, for example, the defense ministers is saying and all the image lenses of the natal. and trying to put this narrative into the heads of the people. and as you can see, according to pools of people believes this narrative of the military and the military expenses of the, of the natal stage, only in europe, all 480000000000. and the whole budget of the, the national budget of russia is 400000000000. so there's no point that russia could mean it calculate, you know, be a threat to the nate, to member states in europe or to the whole nature. but they tried to put this into the head, and that's the problem of the mainstream media. was really very much in the hands
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of this native narratives except the incentives to john slo sholtes, even he said, guess dom or britain's id or offending in thousands of european troops to attack russia. after the trump peace plan goes into action. he didn't like that idea a tool. so presumably in germany, the idea of sending german soldiers into ukraine is not a, not an option the mines in germany and not as controlled as they are in britain to . well, i mean, we know that the britons very much more aggressive we have seen this was this oddly a piece of pregnant is the worst. johnson in the spring 2022. when he and the united states of, of us administration of biden, at talking to the peace negotiations between russia and ukraine and is stumbled, for example,
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because they don't care about lives and human beings. and they just care about their own uh, interest. it gave russia and uh, but the problem is with sending troops. our experience with the german chancellor is ad that he says something and then later on he forgets what you said. so he had the levels of, of, he has an end this year. that's the political trouble of, of him. and i do believe that they'll wait until the elections, the national elections on the 23rd of february. because we had this discussion before a few months ago. it was a it, it's a cute that, that they are thinking in uh behind the scenes about sending german troops on euclidian sold to the border of russia. if there is a seas fine ones in between russia and ukraine, and this was now miss the headset. the defense municipal united states,
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he said that in the speech in a munich, and this is a very boy, isn't poisoned a proposal because it's, uh, it's from my point of view. it's a disaster. if we were to happen because the board is almost 2000 kilometers and which has to be watched out with the troops that and the time it's 50 or 200000 troops has to be there. and i mean, regarding our german history, it would say it would mean that sending german troops to watch this a ceasefire. and if the seas wire is, is broken, german troops would be getting war against russia and they would shoot to russian soldiers. i mean, at our we have the history of the 2nd world war where we, uh, attacked russia and a rush of the soviet union. we attacked of some,
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you're doing it and they liberated at the europe from driven fascism. so i can't believe that something like this would have then, and that's why, maybe they hesitating at the moment, but we, we don't know what they're going to do because as what do we know is that the german government and it doesn't matter which party is morning they are vessels, both the united states, and if the united states, one step to send the troops, i believe that they going to do this. and this will be very, very, a disaster. the video link keeps going down. i don't know whether that's your german uh, government already tried to send to this conversation. who knows, except of course, if they are a vassal state they should the baby or the new or does from donald trump. uh, give me their, if their bosses or washington. i suppose the point is you're saying it's a kind of deep state in washington, not donald trump, clearly or lieutenant colonel to see god. but in your book,
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you talk about them constant the stabilization of your up since the 2nd world war. you mentioned the to lee, i don't know whether a prime minister maloney will close down the nato defense college you write about in the book. just remind us as we come to an end here, how many sold us soldiers are occupying germany right now. and what tomorrow's election mean for rams, dean based groundwater base, heidelberg, spying them. your country is full of what? a 100000 united states soldiers. okay. wow. i prefer they could go on to trump. of course. well officially we do have 40000. it's an on gym and so, and us troops and, but we do have a in europe officially more than 100000 and, and the, the new administration of, from, they announced that they going to pull back a 20000. so they some going to leave a 2000, but the meta, actually,
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the problem is, of all the bases. you know, we do have a basis. i mean, it's a german, that the federal republic of germany is actually an area of the united states army . when you see the, the map of the, of the basis you, not only the base is also the c i a with a that a so violence, the mass, so violence. yeah. and the drone strikes with the really station on the outside basis, for example. so it's much more than just the truth. i do believe we don't need this us troops. i was vision of those out by cash alliance is that they should pull out there. so just as sent them back home to the united states and take with them the nuclear booms, which are still on german, saw here officially just 20, but who knows?
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because the german government is not silver enough to control their own german. so what's going on here on jim? so i'm not so we don't know if this is true with a tried to nuclear bombs, but i would, i mean, we'll come if they would leave. but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't have good relations to the super poly united states, i believe. and my part you me to believe that we do need good relations to old super policy and the upcoming powers. i mean, that means to russia to try now, to united states, but also to brazil, to india, to south africa, to indonesia. we'd need good relations because of our geographic situation in europe. and, and we do need a policy of who makes the hood with russia. you know, you can change the geography a russia is pop of europe and will be part of europe in the future. and that's why we believe we need a new policy,
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european security and foreign policy. we're just summarizing, we've just independent some of the united states. so we don't need the troops, but we just want to have good relation to all the powers which i want to give you is the trump policy just behind really for us, this is our of i can collect alliance. just finally remind us. and this will be the issue upon which the election will be one of the different members of parliament on sunday, described the amount of poverty that is affecting germany, the north stream pipeline destroyed by the c. i a under joe biden, affecting energy supplies, causing inflation in your country. and how much more prosperous can germany be and more equal a country? can it be if it, if it takes on your policies of sorry, well, i can connect alliance. just let me uh tell you. oh, once thing before, um because you said at the it is the trump administration option. yes. but we see
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the trumpets installation very diverse. i mean, we are well coming that you wants to end the war, but we know he is not a piece of piece and angel. he is not a pacifist, that he wants to a stop all the worse all or going worse. and he wants to concentrate on his main enemy, china and our last 2nd largest economy, partner trade talk now. and he wants us to follow him. and this is something which is very dangerous because we stopped the economics trade relations with russia, which, which was one of the causes of the german prosperity because of cheap energy. and now we're going to do the same mistake if we follow the complication policy of the united states against china, our 2nd largest trade partner. and we also see that trump is going to make it cleansing in the gaza strip a case the police did is which is
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a violation of international law. it's a, it's a, it's a violation against humanity. and we have to stop this o. c of the united states. well, i would, i there. i mean, we, we the good luck tomorrow. good luck on sunday. thank you very much, 7, that a. thank you. that's it for the show. and nato, a reckoning with the atlantic alliance is out. now we'll be back on monday with the man tipped by you on must to be the next boss. i'll be us scheduled was a veteran. congressman fuller presidential candidate and libertarian. i go and dr. on pull until then keep it. that's why the social media, if it's nonsense and your country and has what channels are you on the one tv on rumble dot com to let you know the episodes are going underground. see monday the
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the covers more or less than the most american politicians. here's the one who was exposed, lies, deceit, and the caption, the american system also is the one who's willing to have a dialogue. all the issues can only be solved. you had to cease why them and them, at least you've started the data process. and it's towards the lensky. look at you and put boss your mandate. the in february 2020 to ukraine, the game, the world's number one new story for ukraine. ukraine. you create a brand new crane pressure truth invaded ukraine, new loan perspective, ukraine suffering from russian language. so we seen the main stream media in the
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night in the numerous reciting, clean, developed scripts that essentially say exactly the same thing using the buzz words of this is a threat to our democracy. when you see 10 different channels a exactly that sentence, you know that it's a central intelligence agency script. the role of p r firms in ukraine, throughout europe and into united states really can be overstated. it's quite different than it was in previous decades where there used to be more of a culver role of propaganda, government propaganda operations. now this is just celebrated as p r in helping ukraine and helping get their message out to us because who's pulling the strings and who is profiting the the
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the, the mouse releases 6 is really hostages. from jobs us about the home written palestinian prisoners also due to be freed from is really jails on the day face. the delay also head on the program. donald trump again takes a lot of mirrors the landscape, seeing the lottery now that you're towards his boxers is disrespectful. not. he's been negotiating, holding no cards for years. you get sick of it, you just get sick of it. and i've had it plus beleaguered economy and a vote of no confidence for it. chancellor shows that that's the box throw and heading into the crucial german federal election which takes place on some of the the.
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