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for the, the i'm actually 100 times in. welcome to going undergrad, broke as single around the world from the eyes of a middle east that hosted peace talks. the good finally in the nature of proxy war and russia through ukraine and of a world war 3. donald trump said afterwards that ukraine should never have started the war. predictably the response from european the leads ahead of elections in its most powerful economy. germany. tomorrow has been panic. chaos and the re evaluation of the spaces as sap trapeze of washington. since the end of the 2nd world war and the formation of nato, trump's vice president j, the vance, your lack of freedom to incorporate attention from european nature members at the
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munich security conference. so i guess some of the british prime minister and persecutor of julian assange immediately proposed sending thousands of u. k. soldiers to fight for russia. this, as it was, revealed the 3 to 4 of the elderly and britain cannot afford to heat the homes. it has truly be nato, a reckoning with the atlantic alliance, and that's the new title of the new book, by a member of the german been to shag and foreign policies. folks present the sorry to bug and collect alliance, 7000 and she joins me again from bell and 7, thanks so much for coming on before i even get to your book into a piece in time. perhaps, but the real piece. uh, what happened as regards uh, francesco, been easy, the you and the special rep what you are on palestine. she was in germany. i understand you, you met her as regards the u. k. u. s. u um, genocide in gaza or yeah, and i mean, you know, in
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a sense of course what gage events did as a vice president of the united states in his hearing and 2 of the ontario, affairs of germany and disrespecting, the serenity of the federal republic of germany, of course, the german government, the actual one at the former, once they did it also interfere in the electoral campaign. harris versus a trump. i'd say they say the parents, so i, i really judge them as well, but i do think we should respect the. so rosie is of the country is, 1st of all, the 2nd thing is, do we were, what do you, but what happened is, are gods, are you referring to j, d months insulting? yeah. your appliance, like a free spirit effect. yeah. and his speech at the munich security conference because you mentioned this, and that's true, that's did. she has a point on this because we have a lot of
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a freedom of press freedom of speech in the, in german society, especially in the last years we. we could observe that during the pandemic period, everyone who criticized in germany the measures which are where i very much value by aligned to our human rights upon them, into rights, according to our constitution. they put them into a very defend them as uh, as uh, as far right and so on. and now we do have an attack on freedom of speech, the freedom of gathering together and protests regarding israel because the unconditional support of the german government regarding the the is randy elmore, in the gaza strip in sending weapons and helping them militarily. but also in an economic and political way age and the depth of the steps as on policy. this
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has such an outcome that everyone who is criticizing the various tar white's extremist government of nathaniel boeing is right here. they say this is an to semitism. and this is a problem and in the general parliament, they talked bills and motions from the christian democrats associated with press, the green, the liberals, and even the less pop in germany. we as that about crazy alliance, we were the only one who proposed his bills and motions in this motions. it says that everyone has previous sizing, almost everyone has put a sizing phase way. the government has an interest in it, and that's why we have to forbid they ask leg. just at the universities, we have to parties, school people in the schools when they are criticizing these way in the government, and also capital funds of in theaters of actors and so on. so
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it is a very big attack on freedom of speech away and there's usually a tomorrow's elections of germany sundays elections in germany. you're the only policy who really respects free speech and a kind of american 1st amendment as well. uh, unfortunately it is so in november, last year end in uh, february this year, this parties past this bills and uh, we say this is a very big attack on freedom of speech and also the freedom of science because it is an attack on the universities at the universities, and this is a, for example, the reason by francesca albany is i really do like it very much. i had her in the jam a parliament and i gave her that for a possibility. i will come to, to come and do the lecture in the german parliament because i do believe that this is also a disrespect to the united nations. i mean, she's not anybody. she is
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a special rucker to all the united nations. and every one who's always saying and talking about an international or the international law has to respect a special wrestler to update the united nations from my perspective. but if that happened in the week of the leading up to the elections, obviously democracy only exists if there is free speech. all the elections in germany this week, fair given you don't have freedom of speech in germany. it is literally like j. d events, drums, vice president for say well i, i have to admit that we do have some problems with the german media as well. so because we have more and more freaking spaces in the public regarding a mainstream versus a different opinions. but we have this in the last few years, not just a,
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it's an extra extra one situation regarding is way past the time. we had this 3 years, ongoing war against different opinions regarding the war and ukraine. every one who was in favor of negotiations stopped to kill. the people doesn't matter. ukrainians or wash hands, stop the killings and the war a and to have peace. and usually everyone was defamed as primitive party brendan puppets, puting assets and so on. and especially oh party, because a b, s, w a is out of boxes. your lives was founded. i mean, we split from the left party because they did leave all the positions on peace and they were in favor about some of them of what the delivery is to you. right. and they went in and are still in favor of sanctions against russia,
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which are harming the german industry. and the german people button up the russian industry as we know. so we split because we, where from the beginning to only potty were in favor of negotiations and to end the war and also against the need to expansion, which is the cause of this conflict. and i very welcome that the new president of the united states, stomachs from seas. this cause of this conflicts and says, there is no prospective of nature nature membership for you frame. will your foreign minister maybe not 5 minutes to next week? who knows? and lena bandwalk, she so she, uh, previously she said she wanted um, put in on trial. suddenly off to donald trump said zalinski is a dictator for not having elections in ukraine. suddenly she said that actually these negotiations based negotiations initiated by trump may be useful. do you
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think it'll make any difference to this present to government at sunday's election? suddenly coming round to the idea after maybe maybe a 1000000 have been killed in ukraine, suddenly realizing it's, it's okay to have peace talks as well. we have to be careful. we have to see how it goes because i mean, while russia and the west are negotiating and react in saudi arabia and also discussing about energy investments and some other economical economic exchanges. the european union of the european commission, the european member states, included the german government. they now decided on the 16th package of sanctions against russia. why the negotiations
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a going long to end this war? and also the united states said that they want to lift the sections the us tensions towards the 20 russian bank. so i think it's just, you know, insanity in europe, in brussels and burden on all over the place here in europe. was saying that they can run this war uh, still uh, although uh the, the us uh wants to emphasize more. so we have to be very careful on this. and the 2nd thing is, i mean, in this same of babel, you can see that they are or victims of that, that relates to the united states. the united states has the best deals in europe in brussel, brussels. you know, i mean, the european commission is an agency of the heads up on of the united states of the white house. they are just doing what the white house says, and it's a same with the german, minnesota foreign affairs. i mean,
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i mean i babble is the best german foreign minister, the united states as a head in one job. and so, so that makes them as the victims because they followed 3 years. the policy of joe biden, to militarily and economically, really in russia that was the goal of the bytes administration. now the administration changed the policy change, and now they are very opportunistic as you can see in changing the positions. because they have to follow the hedge and one united states and, and that makes it very difficult and dangerous for europe because we, as europeans, has to understand our interests. i'm not, let's say, like the interest of the united states. i mean, i am really glad and delighted that the new government wants to stop the war and the killing in the united states because they did start as a,
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this beginning in the, on the, in ukraine. but the problem is they want us to pay the bill of this us, let the need to lead to war the pray indestructible against russia. they want us to pay the bill be because they want to focus on their main. and i mean, it gains china and this is the problem for us, europeans, as long as we follow the united states in our foreign and security policy, we will be full on the bus as we have seen in the past. for example, the, the, the, the ending of the war in, in, of got his time after 20 years. the us americans, when they last a found a, some, they didn't even explore their allies, the so called allies. because actually they do not want the allies. the west is just interested in decimals. as henry kissinger one stated, we don't have enemies, we don't have a friends, we just have interest 7 babbling. i'll stop you. the bull from germany,
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the company's motor on us then most americans, politicians, use the one who was exposed, then lies deceit and the production. the american system also is the one who's willing to have a dialogue. all the issues can only be solid. you had to cease why them and them, at least you've started the process. and he's towards the lensky look at you and put boss your mandate. the . the welcome back to going undergrad. i'm still here with the member of the german bush that get older. i'm new to a reckoning with the atlantic alliance of im dental, and the 7 at the end of $51.00, you were talking about the vast selection of european states. i do want to get onto your amazing book nato. as a reckoning with the atlantic alliance. you were referring earlier to,
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i suppose the lack of education in your up about how they are about so states and in your book, you refer to something called cognitive warfare. i know ahead of tomorrow's elections in germany. you have the amazing media concentration. of course. thanks to trump in, in, on must, can we now know the, the, we know the links to actual spring or in bertelsmann to inside the, the state department. there are beings also to of allegations now for me on most of the development of government deficiency, what is cognitive wolf areas outlined in your latest book? as you know, we know we do have 3 moves of a as an a tool to make this austin a tool where it defines itself as an alliance of defense of the international move of values and of democracies. and this is something i was trying to
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construct in the book, but also at the, you know, in, in, in our time, wars are not just one by militarily in the country. what are the words taken over, but also in the whole lead, you have to win the edge and the how all the people for doing this war. and that's why natal, for example, has this college in, in rome and italy. and as they are, they, they are planning, organizing and networking holiday, trying to, to, to attack the heads of the people and the half of the people to, to win them for the war. you know, our a friend, our common friend, judy and i saw the journalist ones as stated that people do not have one more. it's just the media when stamps, because of lice, air force,
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and to promote the wars and, and this is the, the aim of the, of the cognitive war and of a concept of the need to, they try to have a network of lectures at the universities of things, things of media are and trying to the narrative, like we do have actually in germany for example, i just want to tell you in uh, since 2 years time, they're always in the mainstream media trying to impose the people that russia is a threat and russia is going to attack x, the natal country, germany, and in the 4 years time, for example, the defense ministers is saying and all the info lenses of the nature. and trying to put this narrative into the heads of the people. and as you can see, according to pools of people believes this narrative of the military and
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the military um, expenses of the, of the natal stage, only in europe, all 480000000000. and the whole bunch of, of the, the national budget of russia is 400000000000. so there's no point that a russia could meet a telling me, you know, be a threat to the nate, to member states in europe or to the whole nature. but they tried to put this into the hat, and that's the problem of the mainstream media was really very much in the hands of this native narratives, except the incentives to john flu shots. even he said, guess tom or britain's id are sending in thousands of european troops to attack russia after the trump peace plan goes into action. he didn't like that idea a tool. so presumably in germany, the idea of sending german soldiers into ukraine is not a,
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not an option b mines in germany. a note is controlled as they are in britain to well, i mean, we know that the britons very much more aggressive. we have seen this was this, i believe a piece of pregnant is the worst johnson in the spring 2022 when he and the united states of, of us administration of biden, at talking to the peace negotiations between workshop and a and ukraine. and it's stumbled, for example, because they don't care about lives and human beings, and they just care about their own uh, interest. it gave russia and uh, but the problem is with sending troops. so our experience with the german chancellor is ad that he says something and then later on he forget what you said. so he had a levels of, of he has and this year got some political trouble of, of him. and i do believe that they are waiting till the elections and national
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elections on the 23rd of february. because we had this discussion before a few months ago. it was a, it, it's a cute that, that they are thinking in uh behind the scenes about sending german troops on euclid installed to the border of russia. if there is a c spine ones in between russia and ukraine, and this was now miss that a headset, the defense municipal of united states. he said that in speech, in a munich, and this is a very or isn't always and a proposal because it's, it's from my point of view, it's a disaster. if we were to happen because the board is almost 2000 kilometers and which has to be watched out with the troops that me time was 50 or 200000
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troops has to be there. and i mean, regarding our german history, it would say it would mean that sending german troops to watch this a ceasefire. and if the seas wire is, is broken, german troops would be in work against russia and they would shoot to russia soldiers. i mean, we have the history of the 2nd world war where we at tech to russia and a rush of the soviet union we attacked of. so if you're doing an end dates liberated at the europe from driven fascism. so i can't believe that something like this would have then, and that's why, maybe they hesitating at the moment, but we don't know what they're going to do because as what do we know is that the german government and that doesn't matter which party is this morning, they are vessels, both the united states, and if the united states, one step to send the troops,
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i believe that they going to do this. and this will be very, very, a disaster. the video link keeps going down. i don't know whether that's your dream and the government already tried to send to this conversation. who knows, except of course, if they are a vassal state, they should a baby or the new orders from donald trump. uh, give me their, if their boss is or washington, i suppose the point is you're saying it's a kind of deep state in washington, not donald trump, clearly or lieutenant colonel to say, gab in your book. you talk about them constant, the stabilization of europe since the 2nd world war. you mentioned the t lee, i don't know whether uh, probably just a maloney will close down the nato defense college you write about in the book. just remind us as we come to an end here, how many sold us soldiers are occupying germany right now and what tomorrow's election mean for rams, teen base groundwater base, heidelberg, spying them. your country is full of what
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a 100000 united states soldiers. okay. wow. i prefer they could go on to trump of course. well officially we do have $40000.00 uh and on gym and sorta and us troops. and, but we do have a in europe. uh, officially more than a 100000 and, and the uh, the new administration off from they announced that they going to pull back a 20000. so they some going to leave a 2000. but the better actually, uh, the problem is, of all the bases, you know, we do have a basis. i mean, it's a german, that the federal republic of germany is actually at tough area of the united states army. when you see the, the map of the, of the basis you not only the base is also the c i a with a that a so violence, the mass,
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so violence. yeah. and the drum strikes with the really station on the outside basis, for example. so it's much more than just the truth. i do believe we don't need this us troops or vision of those out by cash slides is that they should pull out there . so just a send them back home to the united states and take with them that was a nuclear bombs which are still in german. saw here officially just the 20, but who knows? because the german government is not celebrated enough to control their own gym and solve what's going on here on jim. so not so we don't know if this is true with d nuclear bombs, but i would, i mean, we'll come if they would leave. but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't have good relations to the super poly united states. i believe in my part you, we do believe that we do need good relations to super policy and the upcoming
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powers. i mean, that means to russia to try now to united states, but also to brazil, to india, to south africa, to indonesia. we'd need good relations because of our geographic situation in europe and, and we do need a policy of who makes it look good with russia. you know, you can change the geography a russia is top of europe and will be part of your in the future. and that's why we believe we need a new policy european, secure, which in foreign policy, we're just summarizing, we've just independent some of the united states. so we don't need the troops, but we just want to have good relation to all the powers which i want to give you is the trump policy. just finally for this is our volume collect allies. just finally remind us, and this will be the issue upon which the election will be one of the different
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members of parliament on sunday, described the amount of poverty that is effecting a germany the north stream pipeline destroyed by the c. i a under joe biden, affecting energy supplies, causing inflation in your country. and how much more prosperous can germany be and more equal a country? can it be if it, if it takes on your policies of the, sorry, well, i can collect alliance. just let me uh tell you. 0, one thing before. um, because you said at the is the trump administration option? yes, but we see the trouble installation. very diverse. i mean, we are welcoming that she wants to end the war, but we know he is not a piece, a piece of angel. he is not a passive this, that he wants to a stop all the worse all or going worse. and he wants to concentrate on his main enemy, china and our last 2nd largest economy,
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partner trade talk now. and he wants us to follow him. and this is something which is very dangerous because we stopped the economics trade relations with russia, which, which was one of the causes of the german prosperity because of cheap energy. and now we're going to do the same mistake if we follow the complication policy of the united states against china. our 2nd largest trade park now. and we also see that trump is going to make the cleansing in the gaza strip a case the police did. and which is a violation of international law. it's a, it's a, it's a violation against humanity and we have to stop this, o. c of the united states. well, i was the, i mean we, we, it was handed that good luck tomorrow. good luck on sunday. thank you very much, thousands out of the. thank you. that's it for the show. and nato, a reckoning with the atlantic alliance is out. now we'll be back on monday. with the manned tip, a loan must be the next boss of the us schedule. was
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