the hello and welcome to the world the parts for the 1st time since the end of the cold war, the united states has engaged with its proclaimed adversary, russia without setting any value laden for conditions signifying july. this change in america's diplomatic and poet, suspense is likely to hold and be extended to all the nations fall to discuss that i'm now joined by trustee to saying so you have format, practice studies, senator and chairman of the practice on china institute. it's a great honor for me to talk to thank you very much for time. thank you. it's my pleasure. welcome to park a saw. thank you. it's amazing to be here, especially at this point of time. i do wanna discuss the recent changes in american and global politics video because i know that even before chance one here a 2nd time you were in the minority and claiming that it wasn't just the around the show man. but he had

a genuine potential of bringing some positive change in the global affairs. i used to have some mistake about that. no, i'm very pleased with the work happened in the united states of america on 5th to november, a victory of trump, which i predicted a year and advanced and also supported from that he would be good for world peace. why? first of all, he is the 1st american president of the john f. kennedy, who does not represent the american security establishment in the deep state. and the stablish mind is against to so it is a tough guy. his shoulder is a section of his way and view. what does the stanfull use the record body if he is there a lot longer, he wants to end all wars. he doesn't see enemies like the american establishment does. he says, president for them is my friend give him don't one is my friend. she didn't think is my friend that's positive whatsoever outreach and a good relationship with major countries of the world less tried to draw some

conclusions from this latest meeting in riyadh. i'm sure you followed some of the developments and, or what struck me is that a part form or some concrete agreements, that's where it reached there. it also showed that the america is capable of an actual diplomatic dialogue. not to come down lecturing. you know, we tell you what to do, but actually sitting down with, you know, with negotiating partners at the same table and engaging in the process. arduous process of negotiation because you know, all the previous administrations that i remember the truth is that presence of the tops as a rewards for the party for behaving, you know, good enough and for them, i think that's a major change. don't you think so? yes, and also i think trump is more on us than most americans. politicians. he's the one who was exposed lies the deceit and the corruption, the american system. or everybody else said no, no, no. and the water was started dead because of food to know the except the lot of us

to 100 because of need to expansion. that's the truth. and also use the one who's willing to have a dialogue. all issues can only be solid. he had to cease why them and them, at least he's dr. the dialect process, and it towards that lensky look here. you put lost your mandate. uh, and you have to invest the elections. so i think that somebody almost upright. we need to somebody like that. who is not people critical person like bite to and then like the other a produces now then there can uh diplomats and pals, politicians do have a certain uh, culture. uh, you can call it the police choice or whatever, but uh donald trump, definitely as it comes as somebody who brings a very, very unusual oppose. i wonder you as a politician and also to some extent, as a diplomat. and don't you're seeing that perhaps um, 6 away from the public professional one,

somebody who has no governing experience comes in and make so many changes in the, in a matter of a couple of weeks. something that was so stay and for many, many years with the coach are you talking about is a very fick culture. it's the culture conceived by the military industrial complex in the united states, with the diplomats, the politicians and the media. people are for what i call the officially certified group. ok. russia is the enemy, china is the enemy, or muslims of the enemy and the other. good guys and the good guys and the bad guys, and the democrats and the uh, the rest of the auto correct. that's not the word. how does the word is more complicated than that? and that's a simplistic real to can we. because a military industrial complex in america is like a 5 minute war machine. i need the enemies. so they had the soviet union office

over to you and it was most slims off the stems, no strive as done and also again bless you. and what is the justification for nato, even frankie, new is a relic of the core war. well, maybe the justification for a fundraiser is to continue on the call or the so that's not just a big issue for us and the bill this out for you to check that it is of no value. so i think a trump is a threat to fresh air, is willing to dialogue. i think it's a very positive step puppies, that there is a meeting and saw the a b, a battery, and mr. law roof and mr. rubio. and which would be the because said of the summit between president fulton and president trump, and that is the need of the off. let me ask you also body saw about the salad, your role here because i find that the, you know, saudi arabia re add as a, as a place where the store it talks is, has certain amount of historic symbolism because it was saudi manipulations with the oil prices back in the late 19 ages that sort of contributed to the soviet

economic collapse, but it was also saudi arabia and it's cooperation of his roster within the epic plus format that allows russia to sustain it's a cannot make capacity under western pressures. so it seems that the solid is a plain sort of an under tooling, but still a very important role here. how do you understand the putting the salability bureau? it is very positive and it do, you have seen a silent revolution and solve that? it'd be under the new leader, his name is mama been solid months. he's the crown prince is the prime minister and his joy dang everything topsy toby, for them. when biden went there after the ukraine configured again and biting doors him to raise the oil prices and all the production you refused. and he went along with putting, not inviting well, she didn't. i think the news go along with quotes. everything just went along with

his own. insure. yes. so the basics, i found the other one story. there was a choice given by them given when advice president put give them another advice he chose not by them or they chose present button. yes. in his own interest in the interest of the solve, the it'd be an economy, so that's very positive. so there is no longer an extension of american foreign policy. absolutely, and they also have additions to, um, play immediate, enroll the public about it between the united states and iran. you know, a couple of months ago, i would find it the a joke. you know, this out is trying to bring the uranium send them or i can still tell them. but these days nothing seems possible. what do you think about that prospect of the sunni's? uh, some would say very hard line, sony's bring together both the americans and their she, uh, most of the neighbors a year ago, a very starting developing took place in the middle east. it on. so the approach

ma, brokered by the people's republic of chuck and they were normalized and who did it not to washington dc, not line, but not the washington under biden. yes. so no, there is a license plate as that has changed. so that means there are new forces that play dirty thing though that we've been talking about, you know, how much trump is a game changer producing tom himself. he's emergence onto the global stage. was to some extent, preceded by. you know, by the developments that you just mentioned, you know that these forces all fine, you thinking reconciliation, normalization of foreign policy house come into play even before trump was the left to yes, the from new basic reality which we in the global sold had been pointing out or some of us that america and the west is in decline. and the global balance of

economic and political power is shifting from the west as we know it, us and europe to the global south, which is a new reality. so the activity was being missed by the tradition of washington establishment. can i ask you what you mentioned here of just now and i find it paradoxical that some of the muslim countries would be just mentioned are in favor of normalizing the use russian relations. but the europe reese is much closer to the ukrainian conflict is still in favor of continuing that for how to explain it for yourself. philip has been gone here to present i live in europe, has collapsed real kind of dishonesty of europeans when the not stream to this the pipeline was blown up by the americans. according to see model hush, the top american joe list. the said it was the go, what operation of the see, i didn't say a word on that. they didn't have the model cottage to speak the truth and he was

a next dose of truth energy. deborah's not stream to was providing energy for euro from russia, and it was blown up by that it comes, go, worsley, and the 7th of february 2022 to buy them publicly threatened that it will cease to exist and the europeans, not this week, all of them, i think there was a lot of also emotional reaction and the upholstery and coming out of the european union after trumps of vice president deliberate that scolding and schooling to them at the minute security conference criticizing that own democratic record. now i know that you are very passionate about governance, genuine, inclusive governance. what was it like for you as it, pakistani to hear the americans lecturing your opinions and criticizing your opinions on the democratic record?

so i want to be very frank, after what has happened in the genocide and i tell you, would have been and best of the rest of investors. i'd meet in the summer, but i said, please talk this nonsense and double standards. you are come accomplices and complicit in these crimes and you talk of human rights in a blood pressure. your child know you great. i'll focus on full about your thoughts . we don't want to listen to this. i'm sorry. nonsense. so i think judy reads, i compliment american, the vice president, he spoke the home groups on you would have been sorry to the premiums in the heartland and the munich security conference. and it is showing them the middle of and didn't like it because it shows that i'm the face of europe, which has been hayden in the facade over that. correct? well, the edge rules based on the human rights, the village on the legacy. i mean, it's a, it's good to think of yourself as the sort of forego onto the manager. yeah. yeah.

so, okay, can i ask you the, are for its on mental is say the europe at this point of time has a choice between being right. that is staying the old course weren't being relevant . and if they want to be relevant they, they will also have to be a little bit tumble and perhaps so critical as well. which, where do you think they're likely to be in that dispute should be on the right side of history. they should learn from a great you're being who might expect a lot. his name was just another jobs, did god. god was the 1st year to be in statesman after world war 2, who talked off strategic economy for you're a european europe in the sixty's. and he was a 1st to recognize as you know, in 1964, the people's republic of china. and i had an opening to the den salvage unit and also that's what is need of the function sort of being americas border. now they have been emetic us border foot long one extra customer, paul. usually the european identity or the or retained seems,

i definitely had that, can i have a task that stature and that region to take you to fall, but not these big means and these borders who have been following america enough and now it's been done by the americans, well, um we, i know dump, but we have to take a very short interest at this time. we will be back in just a few moments stitching the there's no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy the earth. is the case for the med, most of the people. i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also of soon. this is the 3rd world lunacy re washing press for. so the funder line likes to say, we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deal. so what is, let me let me on mind, you have very quick propaganda. you know, a price here in new york. i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. some more questions,

ask the better. the answer is will be the the welcome back to was a part of as much as you to say. so you have former practice done as senator and chairman of they probably around 9 also for municipal, for information and culture. absolutely. that's why you are so eloquent. though no, no, but uh is this for you. um, can i take us back for uh, question to, to, to the talks in riyadh because what's interesting,

there was the trump middle east envoy chief with gulf who was very instrumental in reaching the upper hand. the courts also play the key role in liaison in between trump and put in at this point of time. and i wonder if you see any connections not only personal connections there, but connections between war theaters. do you think there could be any sort of possible ties and solutions synergies between bringing to an end ukrainian war? let's say the guys are conflicts, perhaps the developments in sierra out there on did you see any larger sort of into linkages here? we use it. certainly is now people thing the trump is just a person who's unpredictable and he's just hopping from one issue to another. and all, he has a broad way view and a grand brand where there are linkages between conflicts that you would like to

defuse 1st and results. and so the choice of the middle east as the, when you forward or ukraine piece is very crucial because this is going to be the stepping stone based on your a base in the middle east. as steve with the golf is, is, is a bus. and with no diplomatic back it off, so laser, believe me, i think i'll be very good. yes. and use is a is by the playing golf. and how did they behave with the nothing yahoo? 11th of january, he got this message from his boss. drunk that before i take offers as president on the 20th of january, i want to see swipe in advisor. and it was the 11th of january. it was saturday aside box, which is a jewish holiday and need them you hold refused to meet him. he said though it's on . it's a look at. i'm also a do like you, you better come there are as so as it is like the american, you know,

who best them movies. you know, they have the called why is with the piston to do it or is, and that's how it's 2nd because otherwise made them. yeah. it was a bit of a gang story himself and the god brought basement by this jeff. and he going to cease why i know that. can you believe that he can curve the influence or figures like benjamin? nothing. yeah for. but what do you did on that location on that occasion? yes. but we are also hearing uh both apartments and now for many of the officials and his cabinets use increasingly religious inside full language. like for example, not to be awful talking about the lion of judah roaring and the board meeting for the cross the region. and we know that the bible is continues that this line will not be pacified until she drinks the blood of his victims and you know, consumes the corpse to. so that's a very dangerous and insightful rhetoric. and i find it solid for adults that go because i think a lot of the muslim countries that, you know, expressed of the religious muslim countries. they're very careful about separating

the religious and spiritual domain from the governance and political domain. but a israel and these rarely politicians on. so it looks to me at least, that they are deliberately in measuring the, to how the, how to explain that she met them. the who is using religion in a wedding dress and a very crude form to retain his legitimacy with his natural jewish religious extremists base, which is a reconfirm with them because of the free idea of nathan the apple, to crash the palestinian resistance named between the moss and he said before he started this war, that i would best admit i will exterminate, i will eliminate thomas. and at the end of the day, he is negotiating with thomas on hostages to the c. i to the gyptian intelligence with the category intelligence. so he has failed in his primary mission. so to make

up for that, he's still trying to get a nice, the women are solve this religious faith conference facing rivera ts 450. i tried this to hold onto that. and yet i think many people feel very bitter about the current position of the palestinians and this conflict on the, you know, trump's proposal to resettle diamond. this is a very complicated issue because on the one hand that sounds offensive that people need to be moved to some other places. but on the other hand, you know, i think it's also not very humane to use people as placeholders for the, for the sort of, for the poor is historical problem, is that the other countries this is a very outland vision out of the mind proposal. is it just, i think it is a non serious, apropos him, but basically it comes style is that the shell is the shock and all this to value. and i said he is the head are currently with a very extreme position. okay. do. and then he uses that as a bargaining chip, deluxe stuff, no. okay, in case, uh,

this interview somehow reaches she's advisors are seen personally. do you see any scenario that would to be respectful to the historical promises that were made uh, the founding of israel, that would be respectful to the human realities on the ground that the posting is, can also leave rather than survive, but also take into account israel's defense sensibilities, actually that situation has done draw noise on the board is really defense, isabel is the opposite. and the penis team is that all pressed that they must have done what you're saying and 40 it does not apply in 2025. and the 2025 is that because that genocide is showing people said might as of right, that failed. right? is might and right means that right of self determination of the people of palestine. do you think chunk agrees for the on that come on north drum?

one thing is they do the good old realities a bottom out. and trump is one person who's not ideal logic and he's basically a businessman. his book is art of a deep. so he starts from the premise waters on the ground and on the ground the out of countries. and the stream is a unified on one issue. it is a palestinian state, there is no lasting b security stability that mike least speaking about possible deals are 1st some russian analyst in uh my country uh, speculating that one of the reasons why russia was so um, essentially took a back seat when the government of syria was decimating, was falling down was because they're somehow on as um, a deal under way. uh that would allow for the wreck construction of siri. it requires a lot of money. uh. so i'll estimates around $4000000000.00 use dollars even more

perhaps even more in order to do rec constructed sir. i would also need new people on the interference in the palace. thing is they used to be part of bill yvonne. so it's, uh, i think we culturally, those are very close people and the speculation is that there may be some sort of a deal uh, you know, onto the cart. and that's what, uh, secure financing uh for syria, for his rep construction, perhaps from some of the gulf states. but was also move some of the policy news, at least center or read to syria. tracing that the something like this could be possible to things reconstruction to syria. yes. there's a plan for that, but linking it with the fellow student issue. no, no out of country would be in a position to play that role and whether it's egypt, jordan, or syria bela scenes, rather than the adjuster are in the west bank stay where they are and the data is

going to be the bottom line. lead by sol did abs sense. so even the soldiers are very clear on that. so i think that's a pipe dream if anybody has that reconstruction. yes. and the, let's not forget, it was the russian forces in cdo but destroyed by this logic state. yeah. and certainly knows. so 1st again, from some of the, uh, by some other forces, it seems a within the 1st on how do you understand then the, the russian and perhaps also the chinese position on the, on the fall of the assad government because they very conspicuously did not intervene unlike uh, they are very active intervention a couple of years prior. i think the also the regime collapsed on his own wheat. they were unable to, if other geem is unable to defend it since and they had to and they had to run flags island this we have seen before. and so it happened. and when his son also i show ready was the president to you. few of 2, are you

a budget cust on us adults that are the same? and russia and china did the right thing. they had them in the most difficult period when they were facing the type of terrorism. but when the gym would not hold its own, the state after i saw the army, then the gym does have to cool. how do you explain, how do you expect the rather the super institution developed from now and because i printed the russians are also in talks. now diplomatic talks with the new interim government, it has some ties with turkey. it's in some communication with other regional actors . what is the future of syria? how is the future of serial looking for you will come, i'm optimistic. i feel that the new suit in regina, although it's a company to different sections together, they're very, very pragmatic. they said the be during war, want another walk, or do you want reconstruction? and with that, or should they have a positive data or shouldn't be as in the doctors just do their uh,

the communication and they say we want to build a normal relationship with russia and with china. also, the only i think problem they were have was, is with 8 on, not for the other countries and perhaps later for the united states because the us still has forces. yeah. occupied city and directory. and that's a problem, not just for cd a. it's also a problem for turkey because the american forces, dad are outlined with the quote of this elements. what against the government of dick you mentioned, i've gotten this done and the american insolence here or in this part of the world was uh well, i think it's fair to describe it as detrimental uh for, for quite some time. and yes, i've done to son is a very reached country in terms of mineral resources, it has lots of rare earth. i know that it's a popular more than the white house these days. do you see any sort of american uh, engagement in the region, american talking on mercantile, but do you think it would be a good thing if

a trunk turns his eyes towards of gun this time? again? i hope it does is eyes in a non miller creases. because the military intervention has totally fused. 20 is often $911.00. the us squandered to point 2 trillion dollars into finest time . and you saw the humiliating exit. you have, mike was who is the national security advisor to drum who's so for 3 times in the american army. he knows it. so i think i expect the americans to reengage under trump with a find this done. once he is sorted out, you put in and released and that yeah, the engagement will not be millcreek. it will be positive and they were to have the eyes on this. people say are 5 trillion $1.06 trillion dollars of rid of so whatever you call it. and i find a son is also very strictly just because it's close to rush as close boost installation republics as close to china, the don and

a bunch of stuff. i cannot finish this conversation without asking you specifically about china because sometimes the trunk has been well uh rather, i wouldn't call it crude, but uh, very tough minded on, on china. do you think there any new vistas for these 2 countries, or perhaps a, a somewhat the new way of relating to one another? do you see that in, in the works? i have already predicted i'm a, i've been to china many times. i'm not a specialist in china, i'm a student of china. i shouldn't be safe while we are still the chairman of the phone chinese. so i, i being the, i'm the last 50 years of almost 100 times as a student. i went there 1st thing, and i think that a trump noise that you cannot contain china, trump noise. you cannot come from china and have a new cord walks because china has moved, had to pay the fast company re engage with china on new economic terms. and don't forget comes right, turn man as a guide quite a lot. musk who is the china man in the trunk back in the special ed is goes to

page and also so they have a very key connection to, to e learning musk. and i feel that a drum, he invited, she didn't think too, is an obligation to do it. i'm sorry for interrupting and i've been doing just under correctly. it's a matter of not dictating but finding new areas to engage in finding a new tool and for conversation use, especially in the economic interaction. and don't forget, drums as dying and fishing for an invitation with vision and chinese up inquiry like it or let them w, jonathan, this it ok, so maybe they need some right as to how it is and the volunteer as well. so i'm the dealing somebody shopping pragmatic in that. so i think that they would have find a place for the engagement, but remember, no new quarter walk and i don't see him trying to drive to work a good deed which is mutually beneficial. and the chinese know overdue that also with them because well, that's the variability for that. i think the very optimistic new over the world let's see, plays out. thank you very much. think it was

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