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hello and welcome to cross ok, we're all things are considered. i'm peter lavelle. germany selections offered up some surprises. the alternative for germany serge, the left garnered a stunning result and importantly, voter turnout was high. but the final result, the next ruling coalition will be the same status quo parties and their policies. not exactly change the cross fucking the german elections. i'm joined by my guess going to rebec in london . he is an e u lawyer and a farmer, a member of the european parliament and hanover, we have, i got a month. he is an economist and political commentator and assemble. we cross booth headaches are lamar, he is a historian and political analyst, right. cross lock rules in effect, that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate, let's go to our guest in london, gunner and i mean, you know, there was a lot of hype around the selection. the obviously

a all of shells which live called sergeant schultz on this program for years. he got what was coming to him. his party had his worst results since the 2nd world war . he deserved it. okay. they did really well a little bit less than expectations, doubled its vote, and this party, the left came out from left field as it were here. but at the end of the day, nothing critically changes the color legs. it'll be the same. old tired coalition parties that we've seen off and on since the, the end of the 2nd world. busy war, so what was the selection all about? the hutch, i agree with every one you've sent. the dea has done well not quite as well as it may have hoops and cd you has one of these and actions because it's 10 days it would change its policies in the napa valley,

as i'm rather skeptical whether they will. um, we have a familiar configuration, a so called brad wish, which is grand j o. d. in the sense that, uh, there's 2 bodies which participate in once a by 5 and not just actually the on to the non good, but they justified scrape the majority in parliament. basically the government on handles and frequently together for the best part of the 20 years. and my prediction is that there will be a slight change in policy not so much because it is well. ready and because they wish to change things, because there's much less money around the job, they will change a few things, but they won't be nearly enough to restore job and use economic fortune

a fortunes. so my thought of prediction is that germany will, um, the price is a job, they will continue a job and he will continue to decline economically. possibly as an accent already to pace. ica and in hanover, again the winner, the christian democrats, they achieve their 2nd worst result in their history in that and there's a winters explained to my viewers out. that is paul, it sounds like a the labor party in the u. k. go ahead. the yes, the, the people voted for a change, and this is why all these old parties will stand for these. that was group deep stayed whatsoever. you call it a, they don't want this anymore and the people wanted to change. but in the west, when you look at the picture, how the people voted, you can clearly see that the, all these more socialistic parties like the socialistic party or the green party,

they have lost dramatically even in the west and the east, any way. and in, in the west you have mainly cd who is the wind out and in the east we have a f, d y. the people want a change and they don't get a change because in the west they don't get it that with it's a who there is no change, it's the same. it's the same. people who go to doubles, who get their orders in these us in these groups there, and that's what the people's thoughts to get rid of, but they don't. but in us they as a new sheriff in town at jd event, said, and there was a big class in the, on the munich security conference. uh that the, even the us doesn't want this downturn policy anymore. and now it's getting really, really tough. because i don't see the cdo changing anything especially not having the left arm off the socialist party is the only roommate the coalition partner. so

basis what, uh, what is the, the big, big, astonishing thing about this people would be furious in a very period. yeah. and particularly since so many more new voters went to the polls tardy. um, you know, i looked at the election result map and you know what, i'm sure you're not going to be surprised what these the borders of the d d r. i mean, i think the, this looks like of a going into the past study. yes, i mean, right now the situation is that if you look at the map, the i have data is dominant in all of the form it used to them. and it's not as strong a dominates the but as in the form of west germany, you have mostly nodes. they do have some s b day. that's all the map looks so that the problem is that is and i be frank about to some of the very last spring crust may have to be of sympathy for the united states. but have always been that event

that you cannot prohibit it. and the other thing is that looking at out of coalition building isn't for you to kind of be unfair and is basically the gates, the voters of the are the to the 2nd rate voters. right? this is what's really happening, but you can vote for it. but even not really that it into the level of the parties will actually look at government power to each other. the constitution and jeremy doesn't for see anything back back your homes, find the to them fire or in the constitution or anywhere else for very good reasons . so what is happening here is that by looking the if the out, whether you like the day or not, and i mostly don't. but by looking them out, you polarize the country, and you polarize it. as long as the old line between east and west is that silent and my view to be honest, governor, they're going to stay with this theme right here, is that dissent is not welcome didn't german politics?

the german political culture of the old parties does not agree to dissent among the voters. go ahead. yes, i agree. i mean they say something comfortable short, so i agreed with everything. everyone settled the program so far. i think that's an app to novices. i reach them and peaceful politics has been built around the idea of abroad for a majority consensus. that's i think, all very well in times of economic prosperity. that's right, this at this time. so the results are at policies. most policies that web ex should be all that good said seal. they appear consensual. be sure because she presented it, you know, in libya to be an interesting glory. done to us man, uh, uh, but they were actually radical pharmacies as

a visa divided the country. and people, uh, i know fearful they are fearful in terms of a internal security which has to be broken, diamond johnny and that fearful of, uh, sustains. uh, economic decline and big parties that are not applying for the purposes as building a new golfer. but uh, they just way to listen to them. uh, they will continue to rely and implementing. uh, the old calling. yeah. oh, okay. well i, i don't have problem with consensus that's, that's good in the democracy here. but i mean, just as it was pointed out, i mean this consensus politics is good when there was prosperity. ok, and but why should these consensus parties be reinstalled in decline? this is manage decline with said guys, it's managed decline icon. yes. well,

i'm not totally agreeing with the with this because most people don't feel the decline yet. it is a decline that the companies closing down those companies in various, it'd be up situations. but the ordinary people don't really feel like no. i think the main issue was that in the form of east germany, the people know already every redeem that the sensors that gives those with a police to people who have a different opinion. who um, who goes to expel those people who are taking the forest. the police force and the tax authorities to um, to fight against political opponents. those people know already this how this. busy works out and they really don't want this in the west. they never had this experience. they still believe that city or like being uh,

being humble and saying, no, everything will work they of the conservators, but they have nothing to do with a conservative party. of course, i didn't know of any more, nothing and comment anymore. and the big problems uh, just about to arise because now we go into the down to economic downturn. and this is getting really, really already in germany. no headache. i mean with, with a they have the being shut out of power. is this just the greatest campaign slogan for the next part of my entry elections in germany? we're not part of the problem. go ahead. yes, i mean look the on the right now can only profit one way or the other, right. i the spit they won't be able to 3. i think they will because they have to. and then the day is coming back in the they've been agree and have to is grand. causation of the grand coalition, good to suffer from south located people that will get frustrated and for us to just have a more and the id is now the opposite. right? the other parties,

but the day is now the biggest part in the position and the bit like my reading the pen. yeah, it's dave of profit. the, the old system displays is weakness and the fact that it's called extra re passings . so the next election bush, i do want to be in 2029, but i don't know if we even get there. keep in mind that this was already a snap election, right. this is less than a blacksmith came out of a government breakdown. but if i may add one thing real much on the topic, i want you to hold that thought because your thoughts are always worth listening to and i don't want to cut you off. i will cut myself off by saying, well, hopefully the only silver lining is it. we will not have any more and, and lead a better bach. okay. we're gonna, i'm gonna jump in here. we're gonna go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on the term of election. stay with our team, the

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it recognized the solve the 1st as the king of a rag time gave part of the power to representatives of the local population. v. a racket revolt marked the beginning of the national consolidation of the country and became an important milestone on the way to final independence. the, the 12, i'm back across stock were all things are considered on peter level to remind you were discussing the german elections. the . okay, let's go back to assemble to our dear guest studies you were making a point and i didn't want to cut you off. so going ahead. so in terms of the economy, the 2 things i would say is, i personally believe that the german economy can only get out of its carbons very deep structural cries is that everybody,

the knowledge of this is not in the ordinary recession. if 2 things happen, one is they have to be of us a desperate, and i don't think this call list. i'm going to be able to, to give us a debt break because they don't have a majority to change the constitution that they won't be able to get the all position to go along. the 2nd factor is it would have to repair the relationship with russia. so that gentleman industry can draw on inexpensive energy again and also open up markets and corporations with russia. and again, the problem is that maps the leader of the christian democrats is stuck in the 1990s, if not in the 1980s. he is a very old fashioned cold warrior and he doesn't show any signs of wanting to repair that relationship. it's probably opposite, unfortunately. well, since merits name is been brought up, let's go back to london gun there. he's merged. see said he thought he got on election that he talked of the need for europe in independence from america. i mean,

it's a black rock guy. okay. i mean, he hasn't been in politics, formal politics for a long time. i mean, what is he talking about now we're looking at well. ready g, i grew up in the mid you clear the do teach between the objectives of a case that you are p at each grade. sure. uh and goods. uh uh, todd semantic relations and we know hey, this is a and generally i think there was 2 of the americans wanted to see more european integration. and they saw the contradiction between that objectives and a well integrated uh, western. uh, not the drum, i think we have a different situation at least for the time being uh that the uh these objectives

didn't appear to come inside. well, perhaps to uh, illustrate the point just made a match doesn't seem to realize that he thinks he can uh, reinvigorate order stool. a tons of magical nations or number lines in which they exist, state before and the same time the few ever closer european integration at, in so far as he sees. some kind of difference between the 2 ease, ease of a closer european integration. as a us, as a way of compensating for slight people 1010 years relationship radio to be in the countries and the us. well, not of this will work because it's time to restore things the way they were 25

years ago in the european stay off 52, we tracked it. well, we get an idea of that, but that was by design. okay. that was by design like, uh, what are the 8 of what germany needs of sovereignty, okay, before it needs to take the next step here is integration thing, that's a deflection. it's a deflection. ok. i mean, we've seen it with the counseling in ukraine. other europeans can get out of their way. they don't have like a unified industrial base. i could go on and on and on. and that is why there is this rip right now. and because of the lack of sovereignty and having an independent foreign policy, all of europe pays this price ica. yes, well, we have the 2 problems at these 2 problems here. the number one is that the europe, the enter european project, the european union is on the brink of co ops, because when germany is going down, works with a germans. economy is going downwards. the, the um,

the european union has not so much to plunder any more because the european union does nothing else, but the plundering, come up against germany. so when the victim is done, then it doesn't make sense for the of us to stay in that club. so this is number one, number 2 is a pretty pretty much match. doesn't even have his own party in an under control because all of a sudden mrs. macro came up and, and just see it in the last the boat elections within the stock for this migrant problem. then definitely the snaps doesn't want to change anything and he doesn't even stand for the, for the new powers in the circle. deep stage which is being dro, uh, we're just being a fault in, in the us. so he is for an, an outdated in network that is, that is going to be out and to the european union has it, it's time is over they,

they got to send him to, they got the, they, they lost their credibility, they lost their credibility and rush out because that means and so on these agreements, but he also lost the credibility with the new government and the united states. and that was very obvious on the munich security conference. so we have a pro, we have a, it should be a problem, media and the other european partners panicking more and more. and when he doesn't get to the, the money out from the gentleman techs pay us, then many things in europe will now come up because they spend more money than they were allowed to. and know they want to hear something that the, that when the illegal but she doesn't get this. so i'm totally in line that this next correlation won't last very long because it does. it's not only because it is no change, but because they are part of the problem and not the solution and you need solutions, you need quick solutions and you need to be a solutions. and this is what all,

both super powers around us have already said. and what the rest of the world is, is telling nicely those bullet jason's to yeah, well it's headache. it seems to me that at least within the german context, if you ask for solutions here, it is called a racist and a nazi. i mean that whole rhetoric, a rhetoric is so self defeating, but i want, i want to broaden it out. teddy can mean, you know, with this election and keeping in mind what happened on sunday, and, you know, you would have europe that caused russian enemy possibly now to united states as an enemy. and the europeans are not getting along very well with china. really good place europe is found itself and has it a catastrophe, obviously, and that's not only as we'll talk about trump, we're playing with the trump is, i mean the, the u. s. s. a to, to, to them and your post office has been lot stream was blowing up. right. as a european stuff was the classic a case was a u p and showed that they had absolutely no spine, a little autonomy left. that's what,

that's the last moment when they should have defended themselves against the americans. and now it's too late to perversity, is that now the se, in the beginning of part of it, i think is going american russian, great understanding that the town to and the europeans are being left out of it, high and dry, and to come back to mass and his people, but i hear from maps this talk about him making you independent of the us. that smoke goal isn't. he doesn't need to make your pretty independent. he means to build sort of a small natal invested in europe. it's atlanta system this out in atlantic, clotted perverse construct, right? in which i think you, this is dream that somehow jim and they may be moved from providing news. can we place the united states as will you be a live? that's insanity, it's the work of cause it boots us through in the country even more quickly. what

gunner, i mean what we're getting at, as we speak here, is that because of your mistakes, an error against or getting a you all to a 2 point. oh. and, you know, given the circumstances that's, that's so bad, go ahead and london. yes, it's not so bad. it'd be on a p is all if the principal unit b and states actually started to find a workable solution to a uh, i agree with it is uh, a business that nothing is on the table. yes. uh, that has nothing. uh, but we, i just, uh is, uh, i think this function arrangements and we currently have dysfunction, arrangements can i actually, uh, last much longer than most people think. i think some of the kids pre decline and uh, no one will let you do anything about it. i mean,

germany today is not multi was a 100 years ago, the rates. uh, i think there's a very serious prospect that germany would simply be politically immovable. that the, the will continue to be excluded, that the website becomes strong enough to assert itself without the age of any other. right? i think i, i could disagrees with you on this point and i want to give him his word on this. we're rapidly wanting and if i'm go ahead ica. yeah. um, well i think of the ac, we'll get strong enough. we have already observed majorities of a s, the put additions in the eastern part, and i think the worst on we'll learn it to be is especially because this new correlation, whoever it will be with a chris and democrats. well won't last a very long, but we are on a possible way to get deal. pull that to go a new dimension and this dimension will be but we will get your race and uh,

free free trade zone from the spot to ride the bus stop. and they're unique politicians in germany who are able to talk with both sides and square footage. matched is not the one talking with both sides anymore. and the cd o in the s b dates they have. so they have destroyed to so much credibility. but you need new people at least for, for awhile. i can understand that these are all politicians don't want to go away because they have committed so many crimes. if you look at these corona politics as a know, spring to things and so on and so on. and of course, they don't want any body else in power now to be able to, to go for it. uh, but uh, this will happen anyway. it will happen from the us. it will probably happen from other sites, maybe even with in europe. the time for change is there, and a yukon step is yourself be against these movements and you even with,

with any tricks what they are still doing quite well. i mean i, i think all of us would agree there's some nuances here, obviously, but that's that as quote, it has failed and it will fail if it is continued to be in power here. um, germany is following france, following the u. k, we need a resurgence and the voters are gonna say it one way or another. it's all the time we have gentlemen. absolutely fascinating discussion. i want to thank my guess in london and over and of course and assemble. and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t. see you next time. remember, across black roles, the

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