[000:00:00;00] the digging for a deal that much strong coincides ukraine's lot. him is the landscape heading to washington on friday to sign an agreement with the us on ukraine's mineral resources. all of us saw s as in key. i've said so far it doesn't include any security guarantees in the next agreement that disagreement opens. we can talk more substantively about security guarantees or amounts and how this fund will be managed in while a lot of means. the last piece as of the potential deal has of no security guarantees, and he helps the next agreement would have at least the sump. but donald trump says that that's none of the, of the washington's business anymore. kind of makes security guarantees the

very much because it's in talking about europe is next door, neighbor romania as leading presidential candidates coming to jessica at least released by a forward season, bucharest, out to he was detained area for interrogation. and they just kept taking recently claimed that the deep state viewed him must have right. that is after a top port and all the election, i become, i became an endangered real danger for the each state today. because i'm speaking and i strongly believe in the things speaking because i believe i strongly believing piece as well. media takes the sparkling on democratic to the washington ways in saying the such actions are awfully unacceptable. you don't have shared values if you cancel elections because you don't like the result and that happened in romania. you don't have,

you do not have shared values. if you're so afraid of your own people that you've silenced them and shut them up the while you're watching r t international reaching, you lie from a new center with moscow? i a michael porter. now we start with a breaking news. this. our donald trump has confirmed the trains of lot to me is the landscape will be in washington this friday decided rad bureaus agreement with the united states. president cholenski is going to be coming on friday. so confirmed and we're going to be signing an agreement which will be a very big agreement. and that will be on the square and other things, the previous administration players and a very bad position. but we've been able to make a deal where we're going to get our money back in a lot of money in the future. now, according to

a document published by ukrainian media, washington in tier plan to create the fund where the lot would contribute to 50 percent of potential revenues from resource assets owned by the state. and that includes mineral deposits, oil and natural gas, as well as infrastructure pots and on the prices. now the deal is said to be a foster and you cannot make security. there was no mention about defense guarantees. now a lot of me is the last key also commented on the issue and he said that the previous funds wearing to loan bought a grant, meaning no obligation to pay washington back. and he also noticed that the current proposed deal lots securely to guarantees from the united states. the key thought to me so i won't even take $0.10 of debt repayment on this deal to see it. otherwise, it's a precedent which stop. the question is not that we are not grateful to, we are grateful and, and the next agreement that this one opens up where we can talk more substantially

about security guarantees or amounts and how this fund will be managed. we are ready to say if it is a condition that further aid to ukraine will not be free. yeah, this is a new reality. and i think we will not be able to to sell the novel, hey spot. donald trump has a different perspective. a he said that washington would not provide a nice security guarantee for key of, and he emphasized that the middle deal is a way for the united states to recoup it's previous costs on your trade and even make some money in the process. a little bit about what type of security your keys are willing to me. well, i'm not going to make security guarantees beyond the very much. we're going to do that because it's in talking about europe is the next door neighbors. i'm watching soldiers being jill brain and russian soldiers big else. my number one thing is to get that stuff. my never do thing is i don't want to have to pay more money because

we survived this been $350000000000.00 without any chance of getting it back. now we're going to be getting all that money back plus a lot more. now let's press now live to a political consultant of human rights. defend on no devil, a joining me right now. i know it is good to have you join me. so what do you, what do you may call the 5, but zillow ends. key will visit washington and according to trump will find the right f minerals do what are you interpreting from all of these? well, mike, i think it's more a political boss drawing on both sides. obviously trump is trying to block air diesel on the ease on base. you have to come up with some kind of concrete result in use. josh, a short out. was that as key? cause this call is what it is to be the show down the next 7 to 10 days, us and uh, after railing, back and forth. uh, you know, it seems like, uh,

is it as cheap. finally got manual and will be, you know, going to washington and then uh, swear allegiance to the okay, so to speak. he doesn't have much of a choice. so, but now let's look at the particular. ready i mean, number one, everything that's been said about the re, i mean it was the x, ukraine. what's left of ukraine. uh is uh, not remotely close to, uh, what's being advertised, you know, with the media, if anything, 70, to 80 percent of the rare minerals are located in the us, the regents buffering territory. so if don't from, once you get a piece of the action, he's going to have to engage in negotiation with the russian federation. not to mention the possibility the road to get involved in joint venture. where in order

to explore those. uh, 7 trillion. right? i mean, it was in the far east, the russian federation, far east. this is wherever the you know, the, the duties, so to speak for it. and as far as the way the whole front looks at it. second of all, we have a problem with that as the signing any kind of deal. let's remind our viewers data be a few days ago. the ride out actually failed to endorse him as a digital bit president. that is until the hold them election. so something such and that as an agreement that that time which deals with extra credit or what's left of your range, uh, call resources and its ability to get back on the street at some point on the road . uh would require. uh, you know, uh some kind of approval from the, uh, let's just have to branch. uh and at this point uh, you know, we can set up anything that's it, as he signs, as no legal body whatsoever truck no, is that uh ends it ends key. uh is going to be in the corner, right? uh yes,

no charge. so all this is really for show me now does it last good claims that ukraine will not have to pay back all the money? washington gave to kia while i'm on the other hand, claims that the us will make a lot of money out of this deal. so who do we believe here when it comes to that perspective? well obviously uh i had to say it, but i would have to actually sideways it has to be on this one of throughout the whole bite on the stretch. you know, all the money is that was sent to you play the were under the form of grant. there was never a mention made about and bang the, the money the you know, or if it did, i missed it. but um there was, there was, was they were like a loan. uh. yeah. what if anything, uh, was a girl of a go and a half ago. was it s t when's on a uh some kind of a peach. uh, asking for sustain funding to come under the form of loans. so we can assume that

most of what your credit is being receiving from the us has to be under the form of brands. and this is actually echoed by a lot of senior positions and us. we said that basically what's the best it in june, ukraine, uh, you know, is actually the greatest investment. uh, if we go by, by what that means, the driver used to say, so. busy you know, this was the answer to a criticism about, you know, or whether this, this money was being wasted on the last calls. all right, not zaleski has been demanding secuity guarantees from washington and that he would not sign the deal without them. but from claims that he will not get them from the us and that his main goal is to end the war. and it's the ego which can give those kind of guarantees to kim, what are your interpreting from all of these a while to get it all, it is all about political, the boss joining full stop. it's about, again, trying to come up with some kind of concrete face savings of

a sequence out of this, the interaction was it as key? obviously trump has no interest in including any kind of security guarantees. is since he said himself that uh essentially all the money that's being put into ukraine has been torn into a well with no reason whatsoever. so the deal is done. um there, there's no way a truck is going to get the truck. that's the last. do you want us to get dropped into a standing uh ukraine project. uh, and he wants to put out most of the crate. uh, and this is actually what he ran on. so there's no reason for him to to do so. and he's actually there into your be, is if they want to actually configure the conflict, they're going to have to basically pony up and rebuild the ukraine. and if they want to keep sending you the ukraine of or they're gonna have to bid out of their own pocket, which he knows they won't be able to do. all right,

we have to live here. now i know the devil a political consult under human rights, defend us. thank you so much for your insight. yeah, thank you. great. now, brussels has denied seeking a deal of its own. was key of saying that it is not so i to compete with the us on this matter. how do you commission spokesperson claims that ukraine's minerals will be viable for you? europe and supply chains. as with o d u critical raw materials partnerships that we have this corporation is not only about securing supply chains for you, but also about fostering local value creation and capacity building in partner countries, ensuring mutual benefits. it's the columbia, as president also chimed in about key of decision making. he said as the legs key is being manipulated by western european powers,

ultimately to hand over you trained to the americans. pine off the goodness of research and historian to meet the play of my brutal 5. why says that the west has been using international bodies for its capital, this guess of quests drive up for a long time and you train would know pick not be an exception. a d s i to be, what's the initials i've been using to you and especially to expand it there. i mean, 6 months east, across the world. you know, we'd spend these in africa. i'll do and, you know, become almost 0. that's what the price is. you're not pick up on this guy, just want to buy more aggressive stuff if you puppets, you know, this thing was the initial of the buckboard, the visuals know the what the introduced mutual customer visiting right now. so most less thing. there is nothing more like about the abutment of us. what does that mean? good. as far as we know us as a new client because of the middle of our results,

these are mixed up to the best trembly. it's mostly about these new stuff, poppies us about the drugs, the metro on the oh, moved us with the email you. some of those did you want to be shown in you? print is maps, you know, to the co, you know, of, did you like the mix of america? we are multiple, it's good, the little blossoming fees that we need to get the country moving on now romania and presidential candidate kind of georgia screw has been released off day . he was early i detained for an interrogation. i felt look forward to using the correct accused him of validating the constitution and of the tribes that he has been hit with a social media blackout banned from making tv appearances and can't leave the country for the next 60 days. he raced between one sentence, the report, the same of quote, we have returns to 1950. earlier his support as gather to protest his detention

footage of the raleigh. he's currently on your screens right now. does that school himself hinted at the course of his troubles in the recent age of you, claiming that he is seen stretched to the deep states and i you become, become an endangered real danger for the deep state the day? because i am speaking and i strongly believe no time speaking, because i believe i solely believing peace. no, early a hearty correspond, installer, defense key was in this to do to break down the developments for us. he was detained on the pretext of being queen is defiled the financial support and backing . he received for his incredibly, incredibly a successful presidential election last year. this is where he went from being infringed candidates somebody 6 months ago. people in mania probably haven't even heard about. and then that was this will take talk video where he went completely

file. i'm really the things he talks about seem to resonate with remaining vote as an, as a result of that. he came 1st in the 1st round of the presidential election last year, winning 23 percent, securing him, a sport in the 2nd runoff. however, that way, so many questions. how could this person come from? know who's financing he's campaign? how did his take talked? we do go so violently who is really behind this. and of course the thing that immediately pointed to it was russian met like no evidence, but that's where the finger went to. and that's because judge eskew has talked about the fact these m. t nato. he's question some of the fundamental values and reasons behind the your opinion and he's seen as being, i'm a pro russian candid that he's a traditionalist, and all of these things really real can send a lot of fee us from russell. so this was the question,

and if the results were announced, they were noted as a result of all these questions surrounding who was financing his campaign and georgia school. actually at the time said that this was, i seen this beast of the investigative authorities that's listening to more of what he's got to say. i mean, this bolshevik system continues there, hateful abuses today at 6 o'clock in the morning the again to send it on families in dozens of locations, waking up children from their sleep. they are seeking to fabricate evidence to justify election rigging and are doing anything to block my new presidential candidacy that they have engaged in an unsuccessful search for 3 months on behalf of my voters. and also those who have other political options. when a democratic and free romania, i am fighting against the security system that once us in slavery, we live under communism. there is nothing free and legal in what is happening. the remaining courts apparently cancel the whole election. none of them void,

said russian invalid. what official a court, right. i mean, surely there was some evidence. well, clearly, no, i mean if it's not just all teasing this with 3 months passed the election essentially being over. and there's not been a scrap of evidence that shows there was any russian involvement whatsoever. in fact, that is, according to the authorities in remain yourself and as reported by outlets like the new york times. the intelligence documents released publicly by romania provided no evidence of a russian rule. only the observation that russia has a history of interfering in the electoral processes of other states and vague claims that what happened in romania was similar to well documented russian election interference in neighboring mold over. so if it wasn't russia, who was it? because somebody had to of been paying to help promote this take talk video to help

it go so far. it's not just people on click a, they're all promotions behind these things. and actually the tax authorities in romania uncovered exactly who that was. it was a pro fee party, this is the national liberal party. they had hired a p off the need essentially pluck georgia school and said, you know, this guy is finished kind of it maybe if we can get some support this. when the conservatives over to him, all kinds of it will do a lot by to in this presidential election. but there's massive feedback fine. because to jessica, who's voice the things you have to say cleaning resonated to with the vote is in romania. this clearly has by 5, somehow hand, but this is the proof and there's no, there's a present to jessica who was invalid, but so why is he's on those i watch suit today? well, i think it's, we'll see, you heard him say at the very beginning when he was talking to alex jones, you know, he's a traditional s t m t nature. he's empty, the state, the deep state,

so to speak to he's saying all the things that are really concerning to brussels at the moment you think of what's happening in here. we've got a number of leaders like victor open and hungry. we've got to put seats. so in slovakia these and lead is little, you know, not towing the line when it comes to big issues like ukraine and georgia screw is another person who would add in to that folds of people say, how long did bustle seem to, sorry, that's not quite vice the remaining cultural court and knowing the presidential election, not so strong election, caused a lot of debate of the values if don't just you remain yet specifically. so the point that i try to make char, your p and friends, and i, i think that there are friends, i believe that i know president trump does is that friendship is based on shared values. you do not have shared values. if you're jailing people for saying we shouldn't close down our border, you don't have shared values. if you cancel elections because you don't like the

result and that happened in romania, you don't have, you do not have shared values. if you're so afraid of your own people, that you'd silence them and shut them up. incredibly strong words that from j d fonts. and this we could be the start of a slippery slope because actually that decision by the court to into no loose bus route and elections in romania is being used now as a potential pretext, 5 of the european countries to look at what could happen in the countries if they don't like the election results, if one you could mission specifically outlined how that could be used in germany. if the elections have been quite gone the way they want them to act on the less weight and see what happens and for the time being, let's keep our cool and enforced our laws in europe. we need to be aware of the risk that our laws may be circumvented, and that if they are not enforced, it could lead to interference. we did it in romania, we will obviously have to do it if necessary. in germany,

he was talking to her about the interference of below must could waited into the german elections. but essentially what he was saying, they don't have to read between the lines. this is the a, f, d one, the elections. this is a no whitening policy, but in your opinion, you would have been looking for pre texas how we could have know them if that be a if he came 2nd in the elections historic, wouldn't from then doubling that info to think get 20 percent. but despite that, they've been shot tags, took the opportunity of governing as a coalition partner in germany. and again, it's because there is this narrative through europe at the moment. we've seen it too many elections if we don't like apologies when, because they seen this being too right wing or you can to last, we will do everything we can to essentially hold the doors and stop them from getting into power. now research at the institute of european studies in bel grade 7 guy each believes that the actions against the judge, s grout,

old part of use books of war against russia. as 80 of as specifically the talked about the value is in a. busy democracy, but uh you does not care about the members today. care about the strategic when against russian or that's what they have said. that's what the nature of leadership also was saying um in the past 3 years. so this is why they want to subvert any kind of uh, a democratically elected leader, which can endanger the project. and a romania is essential for their war against russia. romania pulling the 30 r as george friedman said, 11 years ago, here in belgrade. uh, so everything was really quite obvious uh from, from the very start. if, if the people had the eyes to see what was going on. so now uh,

at least uh more and more i would say probably on of the european union countries. i can see of this blatant interference, this blazing the violence against the people of romania and of course, against those rascal prison. tom's right had by the law mos cast condemned to the detention as quote messed up. i'll just ask you, is it written down? need to a skeptic and i could explain why he's been targeted for my state department officials, mike bens weighed in on this issue in the war in against russia. right now, nato believes me to build the single largest military base in all of nato, on the black sea coast of romania, at that point, straight out in a line at crimea and move this, this may so that's under construction is a 100 percent bigger than the biggest current air force that need a base in your, in europe. now, what's the headlines? old budget task?

who's arrest with quick to brun? him ask for russia and then fall, right? although they conveniently overlook the fact that the politician himself has said he's not prove moscow but rather pro romanian. additionally, the reports frequently playing the russian interference in the 1st round of the election while failing to mention that there was legal evidence presented to support those claims. let's get some more perspective down and speak to john. listen also, donald laws already joining me right. i've done it, i'm glad to have you join me. so thank you. thank you. so what are your make up today is develop a don't ask who says he's seen the assets, right? so the deep space and that is why they're trying to silence. and from your perspective, what do you see in the say about way to oh certain, what? i think 2 things are going on. one is that the, is that power of 6 or really 4? when your part in romania especially, i think the war is causing

a tremendous political fallout. people are very unhappy. the more the, the, the you tries to push this pro war line. the more, the more consternation, you know, d stabilization that causes the 2nd is that the attempt to repress georgia sco is going to be self defeating. it didn't work against the truck, the democrats and the us. uh, you know, the launched a very. busy hard, hard hitting loss, the air campaign and which trump was prosecutor done in at least 4 cases. uh and, and the only consequence was to generate sympathy for him and cause a backlash in his favor. so i think the same thing will probably happen was door. jessica, uh, these are the, the, the arrest the investigation will, uh,

will cause uh romanians to sympathize with this candidacy and will probably generate a significant increase in uh, in support. or are they also are, which is claimed at that desk who had validated the constitution among other crimes? are you as convinced? i'm sorry, i missed that. i think where we are dar. uh, sound has been cut off. yes. i'm asking that deal solve it is in romania has accused, don't ask you, validating the cost is showing up on the other crimes. you see that the way to, you know, i'm not, i'm course, i'm not convinced i haven't seen the evidence. no one has and it's hard to know how significant these elected donations were if they occurred at all. but imagine what would have happened to the us supreme court had decided to postpone the, the 2024 presidential elections on,

on grounds that trump was somehow in the popular brush. it would have been, it would have caused a sensation or to push the us towards a towards the civil war. uh so the same thing is likely to happen in the in romania . all right. how much of this pro russian you labeling is that the west is very quick, the slop on him has on the public perception. people have about him? well, it's a, it's a clear efforts to, to betray him as being entre unpatriotic laws, loyal to foreign governments, etc. etc, but it really doesn't work. it really backfires. i mean, because the, the liberals in countries like romania are loyal to brussels. so, so therefore, you know, therefore somehow it's a, it's a crime against the nation to express any sympathy or understanding from mosque at all,

which is ridiculous. and it's just not gonna work. it's going to backfire is the sign of a political regime, which is increasingly desperate, increasingly insecure. and, and it's, it's caught up in a war which is being lost uh, and is going to generate all kinds of, of backlash as a consequence about what made digests to draw so many people to watch him before the election was cancelled as well. the economy is, is thinking the wars of the popular, the wars losing their, our efforts to draw romania deeper and deeper into the conflict which many romanians don't want to do for very obvious reasons. so the war, some popular economy is doing badly in the worst on popular and people are, are unhappy. so therefore, george us goes, uh, uh, you know,

campaign appealed basis of nationalism. i anti nato and t u e u i is uh, is resonated right now. the us vice president and j. d. vans has criticized romania as absent as on democratic beautiful cancelling elections. but what the impossible of is have on the relations between both countries. seeing that they have been traditional allies for so many years. or i think it will have very dramatic impacts . i think that the us, it does as a sign of the widening gap between the, the us and the e. u. the us is highly critical of a, of the anti georgia school actions. and the e. u was generally support of even though a place has the you in an increasingly uh, untenable position. because they can't apply the same methods in countries like france or germany if they try to. they'll wind up shooting themselves in the foot.

uh and the, and the same thing goes in the us so, so, so the, the gap between the, between the 2 blocks, the 2 federations is, uh, is whitening dramatically. this is, and this, uh, a rest uh, certainly adds to the, to that problem. all right, we have to leave it here now donna alonzo, a journalist and office. thank you so much for joining us. yeah, thank you. great. i stay with our team to national for all the latest from around the world. i see you again, bye. now the the