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hello and welcome to cross ok. we're all things are considered. and peter lavelle, germany's elections offered up some surprises. the alternative for germany search the left garnered a stunning result. and importantly, vote or turn out was high. but the final result, the next ruling coalition will be the same status quo parties and their policies. not exactly change the cross talking the german elections. i'm joined by my guess going to rebec in london . he is an e u lawyer and a farmer, a if the member of the european parliament and hanover, we have, i guess i'm not. he is an economist and political commentator and assemble. we cross boot headaches are lamar, he is a historian and political analyst, right. cross lock rules in effect, that means you can jump anytime you want, and i always appreciate, let's go to our guest in london, gunner and i mean, you know, there was

a lot of hype around the selection. the obviously all of shields which i have called sergeant schultz on this program for years. he got what was coming to him. his party had his worst results since the 2nd world war. he deserved it. okay. they did really well a little bit less than expectations, doubled its vote, and this party, the left came out from left field as it were here. but at the end of the day, nothing critically changes the color legs. it will be the same. old tired coalition parties that we've seen off and on since the, the end of the 2nd world war. so what was the selection all about? a hutch. i agree with every one you've sent. uh the, the has done well. not quite as well as it may have hoops the cd you has one of these and actions because it's 10 days it would

change its policies and then the battery as i'm rather skeptical whether they will. um, we have a familiar configuration, a so called brand wish, which is grand j o. d. in the sense that uh there's 2 bodies which participate do that. well, once my father in law just actually down to the non good but they just about it's great for the majority in parliament. they feed a government on and also it's a frequently, together for the best part of the 20 years. and my prediction is that there will be a slight change in policy not so much because of his will. ready and because they wish to change things, because there's much less money around the job, they will change a few things, but it would be nearly enough to restore the job and use economic fortune and

fortunes. so my prediction is the job and the were on the crisis, the job, they will continue a job and he will continue to dig clyde economic be possibly as an accent already to pace. ica and, and hanover, again, the winner, the christian democrats, they achieve their 2nd worst result in their history in that and they're the winters explained to my viewers out. that is paul. it sounds like a labor party in the u. k. go ahead. the yes, the, the people voted for a change, and this is why all these old parties who stand for these that was group deep stayed whatsoever. you call it. they don't want this anymore and the people wanted to change. but in the west, when you look at the picture, how the people voted, you can clearly see that the, all these more socialistic parties like the socialistic party on the green party,

they have lost dramatically even in the west and the east, any way. and in, in the west you have mainly cd who is the window and in the east we have a f, d y. the people want a change and they don't get a change because in the west they don't get it that with it's a who there is no change, it's the same. it's the same. people who go to doubles, who get their orders in these us in these groups there, and that's what the people's thoughts to get rid of, but they don't. but in us they as a new sheriff in town at jd event, said, and there was a big class in the, on the munich security conference of that the, even the us doesn't want this downturn policy anymore. and now it's getting really, really tough. because i don't see the cdo changing anything, especially not having the left arm off the socialist party is the only remaining

correlation partner. so basis what, uh, what is the, the big, big, astonishing thing about this people will be furious in a very period. yeah. and particularly since so many more new voters went to the polls. teddy, you know, i looked at the electric result map and you know what, i'm sure you're not going to be surprised. what these the borders of the d d r. i mean, i think the, this looks like of a going into the past study. yes, i mean right now the situation is that if you look at the map, the i have data is dominant in all of the form it used to them and it's not so strong that dominates that. whereas in the form of west germany, you have mostly notes, they do have some a cd, that's all the map looks so that the problem with that is and i'd be frank about to some of the very left string pressed by of who free of sympathy for the i've to but i've always been that meant that you cannot prohibit it. and the other thing is

that looking at out of coalition building is in freed. incredibly unfair and is basically the gates, the voters of the are the to the 2nd rate voters. right? this is what's really happening, but you can vote for it. but even not really that it's going to the level of the parties will actually allocate government power to each other. the constitution and jeremy doesn't for see anything like back your homes, find the to them fire or in the constitution. it's for very good reasons. so what is happening here is that by looking the if the out, whether you like the day or not, and i mostly don't. but by looking them out, you polarize the country. and you polarizing as long as the old line between east and west. is that sanity in my view, to be honest, governor, they're going to stay with this theme right here, is that dissent is not welcome, didn't german politics,

the german political culture of the old parties does not agree to dissent among the voters. go ahead. yes, i agree, i mean they say something comfortable. so i agreed with abc, nbc one settled the program so far. i think that's an app to novices. i reach them and push for politics. has been built around the idea of approved for a majority consensus. that's i think, all very well in times of economic prosperity. that's right, this at this time. so the results are at policies. most policies that web ex should be all that good sense feel they appear consensual patient because she present to, you know, exhibit to be an interesting, already done to us man. uh uh, they were actually radical policies as

a visa divided the country. i've had people i know fearful they are still full in terms of the internal security which has to be broken, diamond johnny, and that fearful of states, the economic decline and the parties that are not applying for the purposes as building a new government. they just way to listen to them. they will continue to rely and implementing the, the old comedy. okay. well i, i don't have problem with consensus such as good and the democracy here. but i mean, just as it was pointed out, i mean this consensus politics is good when there was prosperity. ok and but why should these consensus parties be reinstalled in decline? this is manage decline. let's say it guys. it's managed decline icon. yes. well,

i'm not totally agreeing with the with this because most people don't feel the decline yet. it is a decline that and the companies are closing down those companies in various to be up situations. but the ordinary people don't really feel like no. i think the main issue was that in the form of east germany, the people know already every redeem that the sensors that gives those with a police to people who have a different opinion. who um, who goes to expel those? the boats who are taking the forest, the police force and the tax authorities to, to fight against political opponents. those people know already this how this works out. they really don't want this in the west. they never had this experience, they still believe that city or like being uh, being humble and saying, no,

everything will work they of the conservators, but they have nothing to do with a conservative party. of course, i'll know of any more, nothing and comment anymore. and the big problems uh, just about to arise because now we go into the down economic downturn. and this is getting really, really already in germany, no headache. i mean with, with a, they have the being shut out of power. is this just the greatest campaign slogan? for the next part of my entry elections in germany, we're not part of the problem. go ahead. yes, i mean look, they have the right now can own the profit run way or the other. right. i the spit they won't be able to greet. i think they will because they have to and then the day is coming back in or they really agree and have to is grand causation. the grand coalition, good, so from says located people that people get frustrated and for us to just have a more and the id is now the opposite. right,

the other poppies. but the day is now the biggest part in the position. and the bit like my reading the pen. yeah, it's dave of profit by the own system displays is weakness of the fact that it's called extra repressing. so the next electrons i said you want to be in 2029. but i don't know if we even get there, keep in mind that this was already a snap election, right? this is less than a blacksmith came out of a government breakdown. but if i may add one thing real much on the topic, i want you to hold that thought because your thoughts are always worth listening to and i don't want to cut you off. i will cut myself off by saying, well, hopefully the only silver lining is that we will not have any more and, and lead a better bach. okay. we're gonna, i'm gonna jump in here. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on the german election, stay with our team, the

the, the, [000:00:00;00] the on the, on the see the silver. so the move up to somebody. how can it be that um the shipped to the middle east from a country whose top officials constantly complain about shortages of munitions and

military equipments through a little bit of boss located in the, in your system and below grade level nominal facility or some of those other slash we, i'm about to the easiest and the easiest one bedroom above the sold will not be so kind and why are weapons from ukraine spreading over the world to, to this country and to a major arms hub, will continue to bolster ukraine's and forces by rushing them occasionally is that they need to defend their country. the everyone knows very well that we don't sell but known as pineapples or any kind of children's toys. we sell weapons. yes, we're also known in the world as items dealers that we must not be ashamed of that

no one else seemed wrong. just don't you have to shape out the application and engagement because the trail when so many find themselves will support. we choose to look so common ground the the welcome. next across stock were all things are considered on peter level to remind you were discussing the german elections, the okay, let's go back to assemble to our dear guest studies you were making a point and i didn't want to cut you off. so going ahead. so in terms of the economy, the 2 things i would say is, i personally believe that the german economy can only get out of its covenant. very deep structural crisis said everybody, the knowledge is it says there's nothing on there. recession. if 2 things happen,

one is they have to be of us a desperate, and i don't think this called listening going to be able to, to give us a debt break because they don't have a majority to change the constitution that they won't be able to get the position to go long. the 2nd factor is they would have to repair the relationship with russia. so that gentleman industry can draw on inexpensive energy again and also open up markets and corporations with russia. and again, the problem is that the mass, but the leader of the christian democrats is stuck in the 1990s, if not in the 1980s. he is a very old fashion, cold warrior and he doesn't show any sign of wanting to repair that relationship as well. as the opposite, unfortunately. well, since merits name is been brought up, let's go back to london. gunner, he's mertz. he said he thought he got an election that he talked of the need for european independence from america. i mean, it's a black rock guy. okay. i mean,

he hasn't been in politics, formal politics for a long time. i mean, what is he talking about? we're looking at. well, he grew up in the mid to clear the do tinge between the objectives of a case that you are p at each grade. sure. uh and goods. uh uh, todd says, 90 relations and we know hey, this is a and generally i think there was 2 of the americans wanted to see more european integration. and they saw the contradiction between that's objectives and a really great age. uh, western, uh, not the trauma, i think we have a different situation at least, but the time being that the be a,

these objectives didn't appear to coincide. well, perhaps to uh, illustrate the point just made a match doesn't seem to realize that he thinks he can uh, reinvigorate order stool. a transatlantic relations along the lines in which they exist, state before and the same time as you have a closer european integration at it so far as he sees some kind of difference between the 2 dcs. i have a clue, sierra b and integration. as a us uh huh. uh, um, as a way of compensating for slight people 1010 years relationship agreed here to be in the countries and the us. well not of this will work because the countries store they use the way they were 25 years ago. and the european stay

off bob to we tracked it, well, we get an idea of that, but that was by design. okay. that was by design like, uh, what is it, 8 of what germany needs is sovereignty, okay, before it needs to take the next step here is integration thing, that's a deflection. it's a deflection. okay. i mean, we've seen it with the counseling in ukraine. the opinions can't get out of their way. they don't have like a unified industrial base. i could go on and on and on. and that is why there is this rip right now. and because of the lack of sovereignty and having an independent foreign policy, all of your it pays this price ica. yes, well we have the 2 problems at least 2 problems here. the number one is that europe, the enter european project, the european union is on the brink of co ops, because when germany is going down, works with a germans. economy is going downwards. the, the you european union has not so much to plunder any more because the european

union does nothing else, but the plundering, come up against germany. so when the victim is done, then it doesn't make sense for the of us to stay in that club. so this is number one, number 2 is a pretty pretty much match. doesn't even have his own party in an under control. because all of a sudden mrs. macro came up and into fee up in the last the boat elections within the stock for this migrant problem. then to finish maps, doesn't want to change anything and he doesn't even stand for the, for the new powers in the so called deep stage, which is being dro, uh, we're just being a fault in, in the us. so he is for an, an outdated in network that is and if it is going to be out and to the european union has it, it's time is over. they, they got to send him to, they got the, they, they lost their credibility,

they lost their credibility and rush out because that means, and so on these agreements. but he also lost the credibility with a new government in the united states. and that was very obvious on the munich security conference. so we have a pro, we have a severe problem media and the other european partners panicking more and more. and when he doesn't get to the, the money out from the gentleman techs pay us, then many things in europe will now come up because they spend more money than they were allowed to. and know they want to hear something that the, that when the illegal but he doesn't get this. so i'm totally in line that the, this next correlation won't last very long because it does. it's not only because it is no change, but because they are part of the problem and not the solution and you need solution . so you need quick solutions and you need to be a solutions. and this is what all both super powers around us have already said.

and what the rest of the world is, is telling nicely those bullet jason's to yeah, well, it's headache. it seems to me that at least within the german context, if you ask for solutions here, just called the racist and, and nazi, i mean that whole rhetoric, a rhetoric is so self defeating, but i want, i want to broaden it out. teddy coming, you know, with this election and keeping in mind what happened on sunday, and, you know, you will have europe that cause russian enemy possibly now to united states as an enemy. and the europeans are not getting along very well with china. really good place here for spot itself and has it, or it's a catastrophe, obviously. and let's not only as we'll talk about trumpet playing with the trump is . i mean the, the u. s. s. a to, to, to them and europe was up is when lot stream was blowing up. right. as a european stuff was the classic a case was a u p and showed that they had absolutely no spine, a little autonomy left. that's what, that's the last moment when they should have defended themselves against the

americans. and now it's too late to put the city. is that now the se, in the beginning of part of it, i think, is going america, russian, great understanding, but the town to and the europeans are being left out of its height and drive and to come back to maps and hits people. what i hear from maps this talk about making you independent of the us that smoke goal isn't. he doesn't need to make your pretty independent means to build sort of a small way to investigate in your it's atlanta system out in atlantic, clotted perverse construct, right? in which i think you, this is dream that somehow jim and they may be moved from providing news. can we place the united states as will you live? that's insanity. it's the work of cause. it boots us through in the country even

more quickly. what, gunner, i mean, what we're getting at, as we speak here, is that because of your mistakes, an error again. so we're getting a you all to a 2 point. oh and you know, given the circumstances that's, that's so bad. go ahead and london. yes, it's not so bad. it'd be you to p is all if the principal unit b and states actually started to find a workable solution, which i agree with, i guess it's a bit, it's been nothing is on the table yet. that has nothing but where i differ is uh, i think this function of the arrangements and we currently have dysfunction. arrangements can actually, uh, last much longer than most people think. i think germany could be decry and uh, no one would let you do anything about it. i mean,

germany today is not multi was a 100 years ago, the rates. uh, i think there's a very serious prospect that germany would simply be politically in move that the ac will continue to be excluded. that the website becomes stormy, not to assert itself without the age of any other. all right, i think i, i could disagrees with you on this point. now want to give him his word on this. we're rapidly wanting and it's i'm go ahead ica. yeah. um, well i think of the ac, we'll get strong enough. we have already observed majorities of a s, the put additions in the eastern part, and i think the worst on we'll learn it to be is especially because this new correlation, whoever it will be with a chris and democrats. well won't last a very long, but we are on the pathway to get deal paulette to go a new dimension and this dimension will be but we will get you raising uh free free

trade zone from the spot to ride the bus stop. and they're unique politicians in germany who are able to talk with both sides and square footage. matched is not the one talking with both sides anymore. and the lady who in the espy dates they have so they have destroyed to so much credibility that you need new people at least for, for a while. i can understand, but these are all politicians don't want to go away because they have committed so many crimes. if you look at these corona politics, it's a no string to things and so on and so on. and of course, they don't want any body else in power now to be able to, to go for it. uh, but this will happen anyway. it will happen from the us. it will probably happen from other sites, maybe even within europe, the time for change is there, and a yukon step is yourself be against these movements and you get even with, with any tricks what they are still doing quite well. i mean i,

i think all of us would agree there's some nuances here, obviously, but that's that as quote, it has failed and it will fail if it is continued to be in power here. um, germany is following france, following the u. k, we need a resurgence and the voters are gonna say it one way or another. that's all the time we have gentlemen. absolutely fascinating discussion. i want to take my guess in london and over and of course and assemble and then one thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c. you next time. remember, across top roles, the,

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