the, the i'm action or attention. welcome to going underground rule ca, single around the world from the you a of to friday's scheduled visit to the white house by zalinski or his donald trump, calls him the dictator of ukraine. zalinski off to seeing maybe a 1000000 of his people killed is now officially signed a way, hey, defeated, ukraine's resources to the usa, all this up to funding visits to trump from polish, french, and british class of state leaders who run countries without freedom. according to us, vice president j. d funds to moxie, the anniversary of rush has moved deliberate down. yes, cocky glass on your hands because i evans ever read your the usa and rush. i voted to the un against public countries like britain, france,

and germany. much of the world is united against any economic lead suicide or european rump. if you raise your hand that prompted to slash social spending and pull money into wolf at the country of hamlet, denmark suggested peace was more dangerous than war. and britons against thomas signal sending most of the british army to the fact to fight russia. all this while west asia tried to cope with a video posted by trump depicting human netanyahu composing over the bones of the biden genocide in gaza. in moscow again, is the form of the attendant kindle in this obvious and rushing non forces. talk to the imagery, training these on russians born and defense policy council. it does have been kind of so good data russian on the show off to so many people from the american side. you know, we had the trump, the deputy assistant on the other day. the rest didn't go. ok. so, um, i mean, trump has been saying off and on. it's possible. there is some presence of western european nato troops allowed in ukraine. and of course,

a lever of the foreign minister said no. so what will happen to the soldiers if they turn up their, i mean, right now they're in my 6, they're in british special forces in ukraine. what will happen to these troops if they turn up the well, you're free, help them to come without rushes approval, which is not forthcoming as, as we see, they may become targets russian strikes. and that would involve the, those countries into a direct and immediate military conflict where the russian federation, i hope that the rulers of european country is consider that seriously because. busy it's too long before it's too big. but you've been saying what's being coming out of the mouths of visa, your be in the leads, increasingly,

and popular with their own populations in recent weeks, they clearly see rusher as the enemy. they believe russia has designs on london and paris, and they seem to think that the by, even separating from the united states, they can take on russia as well. i'm not quite sure of the last thing you said because of the presence of european forces in ukraine hypothetical at this point was predicated by european leaders on the support of the united states. so, and they're all in all need. those europeans would want to have american backend. this is something that's present. trump is at least for now. unwilling to extend and i don't think frankly that this position of the american president will change . but we're seeing so many reckless moves by europeans during this week. busy or

the essentially made them almost direct participants in the conflict and they're helping words of warning the record. busy them by present fulton, last year when they were on the verge of the supply and your grade was long range, missiles, and those missiles indeed was supplied. although they were used to more or less. and they, in there was on no, not striking much deeper into russian in most cases. but i do not trust the european leaders personally with making a um, you know, serious decisions about the both military matters. i think that. busy menu of what they decide upon is a,

is reckless and laden with lots of risks for their own countries. and uh that, uh, that is because so much concern. clearly based on that was people execute a stomach that they know worried that upfront and of the russian nuclear deterrent . but then you as a mosque who is able to trust with verification, washington to a certain degree. and of course as a timeliness to this. what's the point of any signed agreement? if your opinion leaders continue to be the way they are? oh, just the, the russian leadership and the russian government think that you are both full in line as they normally do as puppet states of washington. because at the moment they, they seem to be at odds with washington. and there is that there is that rump of your asia between russia and the atlantic ocean and the united states as well. i think that at the end of the day,

the europeans will have no alternative but to side with washington or follow washington. they don't have resources and then they don't have to well, uh, for an independent security policy and independent for and policy in the to a sense of the word and the options or presence of american backing for the risk. a potential risk it moves in ukraine is critical for them. so i think that they will rather not challenge washing done on that issue because the washington will be put in an uncomfortable position. when this european forces are deployed in ukraine and then they, their locations and. busy of their base is engaged by the russian forces.

washington will face a very difficult challenge which i never to respond to and they involve themselves, america, that is a goal. they're not stage into a bowl. a real with russia was a band it sure european major allies choice. the prism trump certainly would want to avoid. so yeah, clearly there is talk of withdrawal of us troops occupying groups from western europe. but trump is wielding a degree of leverage against something economic leverage against these western european countries. for other reasons, russia though, and we've been covering on this program over the past 3 years, was paying zalinski for the rent of the pipeline usage for gas into western europe . and is supplying energy still to west and europe have windows rest, you're going to sanction the countries of western europe?

well, i don't, so i wouldn't, i wouldn't bet on that of europe may eventually sanction russia that completely cut off those. the member states of european union that are still getting the guests from russia. that would be a risky move in terms of the integrity and unit, sorry to interrupt the advise that off the black market. that because it needs the energy con, supply of old united states can supply all of it. they have to they to a desperate for original energy. right? they fine as the russian war, in fact, london violent in paris. will let them say what they want to say, but the russia does need the fluid exchange. and uh, it has to be a non here, the very openly in russia raptor cutting off a gas supplies to, or uh, the material supplies to the, to the rest of the world that end up in, in western countries would not be uh,

you know, a small move by russia. so yes, so there is, um, a certain degree of uh, how shall i put an inconsistency in this whole thing, but that we're dealing with, whether they, to call it a strange wall or a wall where the unconventional features. uh, there is no war declared in ukraine. uh there is, uh, the diplomatic relations have not been officially broken just uh, there are no embassies at the 2 countries. and of course, uh, relations between russia and europe that are in a, in a proxy washing creation or the united states for that matter. so continued uh, throughout the 3 years of the war. yeah, it's a little bit strange for the working class as a russian, though, is it the beginning russians and these are europe in weapons. so when the new jobs

are germany says he wants to send the new tours. miss a. he means aiming to murder decalle. russians, that's the old idea are in love, these russian parts of western european pods are bad to actually target inside russia rather than the battle as well. that is, that is true in the, in my view of strikes deeper inside russia, by your european or with, with, with europe, initials. and of we know that such strikes cannot proceed without the support of the nations that are provided those items. so they are essentially the same is of the trigger, a cigarette delay and sometimes uh, literally speaking, and up to that goes to an attribution. and they help invoices in russia, many voices, persistent voices that argue that the russia should not be only targeting

those ukraine is that of formulae in charge of those missiles, but to pay back to those forces in europe that are behind those on sale those of deliveries and that intelligence delivered to recreate that enables the create the invoices to strike interruption that never materialize, which is presumably why london, for instance, is not fragment of russia and continues to talk up war and the mass killing of russians as a, as a kind of juicy i'm not sure these, that western european nations can actually launch things without the american satellites. and this guy, you know, in any sense, in any other, any other way they don't have the technology, arguably. but how isolated then is this western european area, and we saw a russia and the united states voting the same way that you and how isolated you

expect your up to be. and that's why i kind of said, maybe version sanctions on west in europe would be that would be not seen is as a place, given most of the rest of the world appears to think west and europe is the only thing standing between a washer and ukraine and a peace deal to well, i think it's still too early to, to, to say that the united states has completely changed its course on ukraine, on russia. yes, we have seen that a unique case of the united states citing with russia against the european union during a major vote in the united nations. yes, we have seen some, we've heard some vibes coming from the white house that suggests that the approach may be changing, but we went out there yet and that there's

a lot of uncertainty about the future moves in us, russian relations and future moves. and us policy to work toward russia and, and us involvement in ukraine is also something that, that is subject. it's subject to change or it's going, it's going to preserve some of the elements. so the old approach, i would say that we need to be a little bit cautious when we, uh, when we shut out what? uh, what, what concrete changes have been wrought sofa by a donald trump and where he may go yet from a field trip down to major janet. and i'll stop you. the more from a member of russia's foreign and defense policy council. after this, by the

the russians and the americans are talking again, the media is about as about ending sanctions. the europeans, as usual, are angry, confused, and divided. in short, there are high expectations about dramatic change. so where is the trump piece plan the welcome back to going under, and i'm still here with a full i'm a director of the kind of the most cassandra now member of russia's foreign and

defense policy council, dr. dimitri trend and dr. trenton you were expressing caution at the end of the one about the trump policy visa be russia, ukraine. i mean, i've got to ask you whether uh, in the light of the fee is clearly that he's pursuing some sort of imagine re nick sony in line. i mean it's that is that because the trump administration doesn't really appreciate the times of change and the tone to between badging and most cool can no longer be split apart, like richard nixon did as well. i think they've loved also from trump's 1st stand up to whitehouse. not a frontal attack on this. i know russian relationship with you. few if any results. so the they're likely to get smiled at this time. but surely they, uh, they believe in the white house today that it is

a tier launch degree. the fault of the bite administration that took on china and russia simultaneously, that venturing and moscow had been able to forge a fairly close relationship for trump. it's no longer the uh, the, the, the gable, but uh, id, ologies, it's no longer uh the collective west uh, united by a liberal globalist ideology. we're taking a long v as a quote unquote or sorry, diarrhea, east. uh, with that russia and china, uh, the full, uh, they look at china and russia as a 2 bed, 2 separate entities. they want to push you different policies to reach american objectives in each case except, sorry to interrupt for that except for all the transaction is i'm of the trumpet

ministration. he was clear about bricks and he clearly expressed a desperate fear in the early days after 0 the ration of amy move away from the use of the dollars. so he's very aware of a new world order that is imagine uh uh, i think he is, but uh, the move away from the dollar is something that is uh, is happening. uh, it rushes relations with a lot of countries simply simply because russia has been borrowed from the global dollar based financial market. and russia has been using a national guard. and since it has been using the rubel and it's uh, a night shift business transactions with, with a lot of countries, and even the zap is, is often the problem, including at russia's relations with china. with regard to come on bricks, currency, i don't think we are anywhere near that. yeah,

that's the point rusher. wasted. it's time food in wasted. the time that was available to the russian federation to speed this process up. because right now, none of those bricks countries are going to want to oppose the united states that will be seen to opposing the united states by turning to non dollar trade because it will be subject to 100 percent tariffs as well. that's, that's true. but it's also true that even before trump, there was fairly little headway that was made that direction within bricks. um china with its, uh, enormous uh, volume of trade relations with the united states and the european union is certainly not the interested in the risk game. it's a position in both of those giant markets by doing something that with the, with the seen as a inimical to the dollar,

and then they go through the existing financial system. so similarly for india, so it's uh the relationship or relations within bricks of interesting, but it's not always that the, the member states of the group that takes, that has expanded recently that they, that the members of the group c, i to i a bunch themselves with regard to the major economic issues and financial issues. so we were talking about the with the, with the bricks. we're talking about payments instruments. we're talking about making payments. a systems work in a, in the situation where one of the major members of the group for i, the brochure is essentially ejected. trump the global financials. yeah. but that's an advantage arguably. and that was being all, you'll be an excuse. i mean,

it sounds like incompetence that during these 3 years, this arrangement wasn't sped up. i mean, what you're actually saying, as opposed as a trump is bought a new lease of life for american hegemony. perhaps even allowing to make the mineral deal with the russia over the contract, from preferential mineral rights in east and ukraine, which you'd normally have don't rush would be making a deal with china or of the require a quiet territories would be great. the as well. uh, tempest changing uh is changing the model of american hegemony is not. he's not counseling. american hegemony. he wants it to be more efficient one. so to got a spending a wants to subsidize the america's allies in the trunk. that's not your money by. that's a multi polar world, as spoken about my rush or the issue is it's just a rush or it hasn't been up to the muck in russia is, uh, is, is,

is what it is today. we can sometimes in uh, shrinking imagine that russia is a, is a soviet union and called it, but the soviet union was accountable for about some people say, uh, one 5th and the others. 161 7th of the global g d p, actually is know where that, that point today. shogi at your noon had the mikey industry that turned out lots of goes a different value in quality. but many of those goods. what failed to good. and it had a major technological complex that booked the soviet science and technology close to the top of the world. we are in a different position today. we're trying to do better with trying to win back the technological sovereignty of the soviet union had. and i think

that the war has a, has pushed us much further than we otherwise would have would have been able to cover the adults. yeah. by ip be are a, has a documentary on that somehow with what they got then then, but yeah, yeah. by pvp though, and that seems to be the new indicator of the notional gdp. arguably, what about all these 93 countries? um, i don't know best will states around the world that didn't catch up in time for that united nations vote and seem to be still voting with the old colonial masters in, in london and paris. will it take time for all the vassal states all around the world to understand that there's no need for the rest of phobia or any more because they're masters at the i am after world bank the w t. o. i don't the way to the future of any of these multilateral organizations. they, they don't, they want peace now, unlike these isolated western european pause portion of the,

of, as well. um, you said russell states. uh but um, you know, internet as well. of course, the only a handful of countries that i can truly enjoy sovereignty and even got southern g is only partial uh, many of the country is that uh your venture door, lets say many, many with the 93 that you betcha depend on uh, one way one way or another on um, your dns. uh, some would still depend, uh, maybe it would still depend on the united states including the europeans. but the united states, at this point has uh, not tried to uh, to make sure that all its vassal states would vote with,

with the u. s. united states. uh, did not. uh, the uh, the on the europeans did not give an order to its vassals, to use your language, to make sure that they aligned themselves with the matter with the new american position. the united states has just changed if a position and is arguing uh with, with where do your p is about the wisdom of that position. so it's not, as it's not as simple as the does, it does it sometimes as, as, as it's something i knew sometimes it looks also let me, let me underline one important issue. many of the country is uh of the, with the bricks group, including china and india did not vote with russia on that very important issue. the chinese of the,

in just abstain. they have their own reasons why they upstate, you know that, but they've always been abstaining on the, on the, on that issue of probably because of the issue of j tauriel integrity, a national sovereignty involved ability board as is a, is an issue that resumes very much in their own countries and their own societies. but the truth is that the country is whom you would include normally among rushes, best partners and firms. i'm still taking a neutral stance on the, on the very important issue. very important for russian. yeah, i presume president, she and right minister moody, a tipped off a president, putin, about that you didn't get ortega of nicaragua. it should be known as well as the president of eritrea. what happens and all the russians preparing for not only in 4

years time when trump goes. but if trump is killed, there will be an assassination attempt already. because so much of it seems to revolve around one figure who is dismantling this so called deep state to be united states, which has tried to destroy democracy all around the world. so that is opposed russian interests. chinese interest interests. if they go out and do this, it's remarkable, it's, it's, it's truly remarkable. they, there she a power of a one brushing and the us. um, there was a joke. surely plus years ago when the soviet union, i trust introduced a deposition of a president and a russian journalist. ah said joe can be that the typing present of the president of the soviet union was as absurd as the title of the 8 shaw of the united states

of america. to that the donald trump, just what 5 weeks, 6 weeks after his inauguration has behaved more like us all in america and very interestingly is not being much opposed to happen if your portrayal things are they happen if you know the statements by a mess, the state officials in the, in the us, but otherwise has been more or less running. but that's very little opposition within, within the united states. if, if something happens to trump, of course, the american constitution provides for the vice president to take over in that sense of the uh, the assassination of trump. prior to the election. um, what else? uh, knocked out. uh, it might, it should go by to political chic uh, leaving

a void in his place. uh today, if something god forbid happens to donald trump, it will be succeeded. you close by uh, by j. uh, by j. d. that demetrius having kind of a lot of stuff with the both a guy and he is all right, kind of have to stop at the, you know, always be general secondary to us. no, thank you very much. go ahead. i will try that. thank you. you're welcome. that's the sure i will be back on monday with the quincy institute for responsible state graft professor rather don't leave in but until then came into try one last social media and so on. sets a new country and had to a channel going on are going to be hon dot com to watch new old episodes are going undergrad. see monday, the 1941, the radical right wing stone shall be nice. ation seized power and foam. the independent

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