are you ready to come along the country in big trouble? no, no, they've done a lot of talking. your country is in big trouble. i know you're not. i know you're not winning this live and worldwide. it's a smack down in dc team. trump putting zelinski in his place, telling him to leave the white house that his dreams for dealing with washington and behind titus. i went to the exit stage, right is resource mineral agreement with trump is left on the side. so he leaves mc hunt. that is the main goal. it was a matter of the trip remains unfulfilled. before all the developments in washington, we spoke about what's on the table for the, let's see, but the round economist geoffrey science. so i'm still coming to washington and in this kind of a better way to sign over in it, almost have meaningless documents, the mineral, half the mineral rights. this is just sad, desperate,

confused behavior. this is not strategy, this is not national policy. this is not continuing award, this is nothing i think the fitness a lot of people are still suggesting. last nights smacked down and washington's oval office and we'll bring it all down for you now during this live hour from moscow. so to the us capital, we go into the hallowed holes of the white house. the cameras were rolling for a to see this event sky apparently didn't get the memo of the team. trump demands, respect of the ukrainian narrative simply isn't buying in the us. i name is what makes america a good country is america engaging in diplomacy? that's what president trump is doing. can ask you. sure. yeah, yeah. okay. so what do you mean? i'm talking about the kind of diplomacy this going to in the destruction of your country. but he's mr. president. mr. president with respect,

i think it's disrespectful for you to come to the oval office. try to litigate this in front of the american media. we're trying to solve a problem. don't tell us what we're going to feel. i'm not telling us no transition reject taste, the deer in no position to dictate what we're going to feel. you again lied. so what radians of people have seen you gambling with world war 3? and what you're doing is very dis, disrespectful to the country. this country, i'm the you that to you far more that a lot of people said were they should have you have continued big trouble getting an hour or so. no, no, get done. a lot of talking. your country is in big trouble. i know you're not really, you know, you're not winning this from the very beginning of the war. we've been alone and we have sampled. i said, since you haven't been on the cabinet the long these can we gave you. i said, president, 350000000000 dollar you what we do for your military equipment. then you tell us, i don't want to cease fire. i don't want to cease fire. is that was we the a guy named bite and who is not a smart person?

this is going to be great television. i will say, yeah, that far exchange is basically being played on loop world wide today. a trump spoke with the price. you said they all views the meeting did not go well. america is looking for paid since that has to be find themselves on the far end of the spectrum. we had a meeting today as you know, with president zalinski and i would say it didn't work out exactly great from this standpoint. very much over plate is as we're looking for piece, we're not looking for somebody that's going to sign up as strong power and then not make face because they've built in bold. and then that's what i. so after that i'm looking for a piece. what i'd like you to go into a 10 year war and play games. we want peace had it was just by a price or that we do that if we sign up is looking for something that i'm not looking for is looking to go on and 555 will look into and the death president is

going to want to make and he wants to make, he wants to end is that you so what i so today this is amanda. once they get us signed up and keep fighting and we're not doing that, you can in bold and somebody that does not have the cards and all of a sudden that person says, oh, well, now i could do friday. i guess we're not going to keep fighting. you're going to get the war done or let them go and see what happens. let them fight it out. first of all is it ends keys. it says southern side solomon. so obviously you did not go down. well, not only with the president who binds vice president, but so would the rest of the us political establishment currently empower as well as state secretary. yeah, rubio said that zalinski does not want the sens issued actually apologize to the white house for being antagonistic to trump. and for the quote fiasco that took place on friday, and he also added that to don't know, some said there could be no ukraine security guarantees before

a tease deal takes place. and according to the white house, the united states will no longer faultlessly write checks to ukraine for the conflict when russia has the lensky, you must realize that these thoughts required concessions from all sides, and also stress. that it was, is lensky who provides an arguments in the oval office. now was all that's on folder since friday. the public events ration of zelinski that was followed up by these expulsion from the white house. the reason for his arrival to washington in the 1st place, while i took back stage, and that is of course, the agreements on ukraine's rare minerals that zalinski and from 4 supposed to sign . but that's, as we now know, did not happen. moreover, according to the western media reports, donald trump is currently not at all interested in resuming those particular talks so that the deal itself was already finalized. and it didn't come past not only

strategic rare minerals, but also oil and gas and infrastructure assets. charlotte, good morning to you, rama were just talking about your opinion reaction. i know it's early hours fail, but anything you can pass along the. yeah, the slide show couldn't or i think is the reaction from europe as they were watching those unprecedented scenes spill out to the oval office. what a historic moment on tv trump certainly was like, this is going to make a great tv, but for the europeans, they with that with them. with this open a completely and utterly shocked as to what happened. and then we saw this outpouring is gushing on with a sick of pharmacy to support zelinski and you creating almost like a battle cry of come on, let's continue to do it. we'll start now with the you were paying commission, present us. and the lady who said that dignity and there was honoring ukrainian

b brain. she said b, b a less up bible quite if ever they was one. we also heard from the mold, dove and prizes are recently elected in 2024, saying that the continues to states that russia was the aggressive hey, that it was russia that evaded. then we had the spanish problem in this the petra sun, she's coming out and say, you know, us vain. it stands with the ukraine here in romania, the president saying that ukraine security was crucial for your security. and the fight was for the common values of freedom and democracy. these are just some of the comments that have been coming out from you repeatedly to is as women mentioned that some of them, of course, i'm elected to the positions the check presidents saying time for you to step up its efforts. and that is something we heard for many days because the reality is now is the u. s. a is backing away from ukraine?

it will be you if it is left to step up to most of the mess. essentially. trump and vance have put on a disgraceful show. i am ashamed of that behavior. the us deserves something better . the free world must support you. crane i was and still am with zalinski. nobody wants peace more than the ukrainians do. therefore, we are working on a common path to a lasting and just peace. ukraine can rely on germany and on europe. there's a lensky, dear ukrainian friends, you are not alone. well, no, sir. everybody towing that line and coming out from brussels, we heard from the prime minister of hungry victor, open saying strong men make peace, weak men make rule. and then saying that trump stood bravely for peace. a. so we action coming for one full more russian president. this is to meet you made we did

. who said that this was a brutal dressing down essentially for the landscape. i think the question now that many need to be asking is what this means for us. you repeat and relations the feature because this is a massive breakdown of that could cause a huge problem for nato in the future. let's not forget, since harry truman assigned in 1949 that agreement, that essentially the attack a what nato ally would be an attack on all. and they would come to the defense. there was now a big question as to whether that european secure to come and be guaranteed by the americans for the future because essentially compass things. you know what guys, you don't want peace, i want nothing more to do for you. so really a lot of thing does not, it may have come out in support of landscape over the night, but they will be scratching the head. i'm desperately trying to look at. i would ship them off the key. they can put this to rest once in full because the reality

is without the us is back in europe, is kind of in a c on its own drifting away from. i take us through, i mean, what was clearly a shouting match in the office. i mean, some people quoting it of some kind of w, w e, smack down event. he all off to that will win so terribly wrong for that. and he went out for an interview with fox news, take us through the country. that is how well that was basically a continuation of the, let's see, is the m t and the populace tie raise if you will, where she acted as if everything was okay. and his public humiliation and the oval office all did not happen at all in an interview to the american media. you seem to be throwing around phrases completely unrelated to the questions. and uh, well, frankly, his responses were sometimes bordering on jibberish back at the white house. he was confronted by the americans who pointed out to this, these costs and demands and complete lack of gratitude to what she replied. that

there is a historic relationship between the ukrainian and the american people. so also, according susan, excuse, presidency, had long expired, as she has served bower and ukraine in the may of last year. it's up to the people of ukraine's and infirm, and whether she should relinquish just fall was turned off. and well, that's another example of a blatant lie by the ukrainian politician has she refuses to hold presidential elections in accordance with the countries constitution. the also admitted during the interview that ukraine will have a hard time winning without the support of the americans, while europe is ready to continue financing to you, as well as for the future of the view on ukraine's natural resources. well, it now depends on the united states, according to the lensky. so i'm not hearing from you mister president of thought

that you owe the president an apology. no, i respect president and our staff to american people. and if i didn't know if i think that we have to be very open and very honest, and i'm not sure that we need something, but i think maybe sometimes some, some, some things we have to discuss out of our sofa media with all respect to democracy . and to a free media, but there are things that where we have to understand the position of ukraine and ukrainians present. lensky also made an effort to look entirely on stays by his complete the restoration of the white house on friday, and just sent in the social media post the american president, congress, and the american people. from the support class, the cameras are rolling inside the over office. that right the you can see the lady that has to be crated and our boss of it to america front and sense of her face, palm. uh, basically saying it old lensky and one fell swoop,

was able to do rail relations with his full, my number one ally, washington. we heard from investigative journalist and founder of a truce and media project, ben swan, and he highlighted that while the democrats are following the old scripted line that was written for the landscape. conservatives now have their eyes wide open and see the crating politician for what he really obviously on the left all the main stream establishment media is going to run to is defense. those people so insulted look how they picked up on him. he was just trying to protect the country, but on the right and certainly among the trump supporters and the mag a crowd who were already weary of the late fee to begin with. this was a very, very powerful moment because it shows the landscape for several things and showed them as ungrateful. it showed them as, as a car and someone who came to the us and was gonna sign a mineral deal. and all of a sudden he gets into an argument with the president because he's actually asking for more. and then he doesn't find a deal. and he just leaves that. i think that's a big deal. something else the trump said, that's so important. you know,

trump likes to get personal, obviously that's, that's what he does, right. one of his most effective forms of been sold. i think it's very personal. and in the moment that i think that makes the lensky look the worst. and all this different drums says to him, you're not such a tough guy. if you didn't have the us supplying your weapons and us fighting this fight for you, you wouldn't be so tough. and i thought that was a very, very immaculate end statement to me. because the truth is, is that zillow is not a tough guy. he's an actor who's playing a tough guy on tv. i can't imagine any world leader thinking that they're going to win arguing with trump, right? because because trump escalates, if you slap him, he punches, if you stab him, he'll shoot you, right? it is always going to be one step beyond wherever you been, right he, he doesn't match regression, it seems wherever you, apparently no one is more than zalinski about this and maybe is because he's used to over 4 years, sitting with someone like joe biden, who doesn't even know what room he said he didn't have a time or something like humble a harris who was just calculated. it has no idea of what's happening on the world

stage. and all of a sudden when he's with trump, i think because he felt emboldened by the cameras in the room, i think the landscape thought he was going to take this moment and he was going to out trump, trump. he was going to sit down with him and then all of a sudden in front of the cameras, he was gonna surprise everyone by making trump like that and wondering. it does not work. it is a strategy that is a full strategy. you don't try to corner this man. you love this whole began with vice president cheney van saying something that is absolutely factually correct. that most americans don't know. we've reported on a lot, but most americans don't know it. and those are the conscription soldiers who are going through ukraine picking up man who in the past wouldn't have even been involved in a more in grabbing any man. they can off the streets, whether he's young or old, doesn't matter if he can. he's a is a warm body to grab him off the streets to put him in the bands and they're sending him to the front. like, that's how this conversation started between wanston zalinski. that is the reality of this war. it is an unwinnable war for ukraine. and so is the less, he doesn't have much choice,

so he'll probably do is after he whites us tiers and gets himself composed a little bit. he'll probably reach out to some leaders in the you and i suspect that those conversations are not going to go his way either the i think there was a very strong set of preparations made with the u. k. just yesterday. and i think that you guys gonna say not much we can do for you this. i think the french are going to say not much we can do for, you know, because at this point trump is going to make an example. that's what he does with people. he makes an example of them. if you come into the oval office, if you wouldn't bear with him, and if you refuse the peace deal and the minerals deal, because remember, trump has been saying what a great deal. this is for the trillion dollars to the united states. it's a way for the us to get his money back and you walk out without signing it. he's going to make an example of you in some way. he's not going. it's going to say come back when you're ready for peace. you know, one of the, one of the concepts of the art of the deal is that if you make a good deal when someone walks away, when they come back, that deals gone. now you've got to take a new deal and i think that's what is the life he's looking at. now. he's not going

to get the deal he had before. he's gonna have to take a different deal because he walked away from this one. let me pull it out from the fireworks inside the oval office, washington is reportedly put the brakes on rebuilding ukraine's sheffield energy infrastructure. and by the way, stop the usa. i the deep state agency report really being slashed as well. it's headcount shop from 64 down to 8. so that's plenty of chairs coming from mazda supporters over the covered side of offense. so lensky destroyed himself in the eyes of the american people. thank you. president trump, for standing up for the american people in our nation on the global stage. thank you for standing up for america in a way that no president has ever had the courage to do before. thank you for putting america 1st. america is with you. is this the end of the lensky presidency? he hitched his wagon to biden, and the deep state they lost. and now he doesn't seem to be playing his cards well . we'll effect this conversation,

felt that our crossing lie to the president of the african peoples convention 10. but go to, you know, joining us here live on our, to international 10, a very warm welcome to you. i know you've been sitting there waiting to come on listening to the program where you are. we all saw the fireworks and the over office less than 24 hours ago. a lot of people still just trying to digest what we've seen. what was your reaction? 10, but what was your, what was your thinking when you saw this? well, i mean, this is unprecedented. it's quite extraordinary. am i, i don't remember seeing, you know, that kind of publication it in public, especially the word stage where everybody's always interested in, you know, piecing a claim was looking forward to. she had a uh, when's the last he was going to say or to, but in what, what for the day i felt like it. and what is my crone stomach?

it tried to do just a week from the big and it will lead it also. as i said, the person is always putting the bad guy now, and let's give the answer because remember, present trumpets this conversation with present puts in and he's happy about it. and then he can count on lisp and what happens. they click on that's an interesting observation. that temper appreciate that. listen to during this knock down to the oval office, trump told zelinski quote, you either make a deal or we're out. so what's at stake for you pray? if washington does full a withdrawal? look, i think where we uh, the, the european sends the landscape not fully internalized. you know, the policy shift in america. they are still a, using the old script and, you know, it was refreshing way, a america's a liberal advice. those uh,

the penalties. so it's a medical visits, it, you know, it's, it open is to open classes. remember the ro cancel it in into the a few days ago with the board. and is it liskey and you'd be enough to this say, yes, cool. if you look at the quote us for mural, it has been to, to stand by zelinski and say you didn't do anything wrong to do everything. right? so i think am tom is the kind of going to pull that up from under his feet. i mean, you saw that's interesting. present stomach, can you face the russians on your whole? i think, i think i think that's the way it's getting to ok. you. you want to fight great site. well out of it. yeah, yeah, it's a very, very interesting comment that time, but i mean, the, you, you would mentioned you, i'm not going to go, but now with europe on board, you know, with the old, a copy paste messages of support for the landscape. you helped me get my head

around this trunk once pete's he said he's aligned with the world. so what is europe complaining about then? to look, use a call that the country is like a beloved loose is slow, but yeah, uh eh hungry eh, um yeah, uh maybe uh china and the tuba. so they've been calling funny positions. there was even enough that can initiate the douglas treated, their shapely a, you know, in cuba and some of us down the 8 of the title wondering why this on that's been president as inviting. so let's get to this on africa after, after everything else. and i think, i think you're a, is, this is tied to gets historical hospitality to us. russia and just cannot imagine, especially up to, you know, bring themselves up to a frenzy for the last 3 is the one that is in russia and wanting to defeat trash on

the battlefield. in order for us, i didn't be a speed restriction with it must negotiate. and the principal, the bad guys, the one say this negotiate so i think they still, they're still in denial of just about the yeah. they're all fixing. yeah, exactly. i think you're absolutely right. about that, it's going to take some time, i think for these european leaders to come to terms with what is essentially a reality check 10. but that must be when to the whitehouse floating this whole boss of mineral resources bill. he was gonna start pulling off and selling off the assets of you prayed. apparently he left the empty handed. no documents was signed for this so. so i guess i wanted to ask you, what else can you crane do? well what, what, what else can we create an offer america to get support from washington as well? no, i think the, the middle of those do was received by books that lengthy. so let's get in the 0. can take us as

a way or take america to claim it as part of a way to what security counties and the fact that the americans are talking with the russians. and it's very interesting and almost like, you know, present putting i've seen this through a that is causing economic ties. in his office, the americans had access to some of the minerals, but the they would get to new create nothing the americans was that to say, okay, we couldn't get this in russia. so you claim has really nothing to offer a special and, and what out of this, so i really don't know, but it's so it's so unbelievable how people can tie themselves into knots. you know, mr. tracing where they have no 4 big positions because they depend on america. i thought they were really tried to massage it. terms of the go to try and did you more around. and not because petulance is lensky was anything that response from

the it will indeed us. it's almost like a slip on trumps. then i'm present, put. yeah, i mean, it was not long ago. it was, you know, savanski was being welcomed into washington like an absolute hero. you know, he gave this big speech to congress and one was putting it on the back. i'll getting him pissed out in the other. but now he just essentially got kicked out of the white house. we are witnessing extraordinary changes as you said 10. but at the beginning of our conversation temple go to is the president of the african peoples convention. joining us live on ology international. thank you so much for your time . thank you. well, i had a chance to speak with her now and decide who is the economist the end of the senior un special representative jeffrey sachs. we talked to one of our, the complex relations between ukraine, the us, the e, u, and rush in europe. but he had got trapped by following the united states in a blind kind of way. and just trying to be the great cheer leader of us a gemini,

i obviously, the whole us approach. the unit polar approach was delusional. what happened during the last 30 years, i've been reported because this is a 30 year us project is that the united states said, were you in a polar, we do what we want. we expand militarily, where we want, we expand our influence where we want i eat in 2008. the us said, now we move made over to ukraine to georgia. i and a, this is a replay by the way of the pry me and more of 185321856, almost a, almost almost at the blueprint and rushes said, no, i, that's not going to happen. i. the point is, europe got into line with it, the u. s. i strategies to if i could call them and it's, it's the exaggeration in my view,

but the us strategist said will win because we're all powerful. one can do, do what kind of russia do nothing, and based on up until the end and i know what they thought, because i talked with them i heard from them. i watched what they were saying. this was a group in, in essence playing a game. i would say i'm the american side, which is we can do what we want, right? that isn't the case. they, they lost a bad damage. the ukrainians, tragically followed that line i called the ukrainians. of course, everyone knows kissinger's famous line that to be anatomy of america is dangerous to be a friend of america is fatal. i explained that to them, you're going to be like afghanistan. well, here we are. you know, they followed the us europe followed the us. now they don't know quite what to do. yeah, but you know, so i'm still coming to washington in this kind of pathetic way to sign over in

almost a meaningless document, the mineral half the mineral rights. this is just sad, desperate, confused behavior. this is not strategy, this is not national policy, this is not continuing award. this is not, not the latest talks in istanbul, following the discussions in react between the russian and american officials. we are witnessing, as you said, moments ago, a reproach monkey. do you really think there's a chance that a true piece can be arranged between bruton and trump, regardless all the noisy chihuahuas in your? well, 1st of all, a true peace can be arranged for a fundamental reason. there is no fundamental conflict between the united states and russia, so there is no fundamental reason for conflict. if the us had not asserted unit polarity after 1991, there would be no conflict if in december 19,

2021 is i begging to divide white house. a negotiated with president pulling on the draft us russian security arrangement that he table on december 15th 2021. negotiate there would be no war. there is no direct reason for conflict. there is reason for trade. there is reason out they'll be competition and other things, but conflict, of course, not the same is true with europe. if europe would open it's eyes, it's hard with europe is 27 independent countries. they can't think clearly as a major power in a unified way, but if they could, they would have just a direct counterpart relationship with russia. and ukraine would be so much safer as the neutral state that it was that would have protected

ukraine. because neutrality is not a danger. neutrality is a protection asks, we mean finland, austria, during the decades that it had neutrality, not the nato period of the last year. this is ridiculous, they were safe with neutrality. austria is safe with neutrality. but they chose the block approach that's on the safe. yeah, jeffrey sachs and just gave a blistering speech. but you, you parliament basically telling all the bureaucrats stopped wondering and ukraine, you've lost, and it's over because the more about the commentary from jefferson, it's online. it's not the, [000:00:00;00]

the, i'm actually and resenting welcome to going undergrad, real costing around the world from the u. a of to friday's scheduled visit to the white house by zelinski, or as donald trump calls him, the dictator of ukraine. so lensky off to seeing maybe a 1000000 of his people killed, is now officially signed a way, a defeated ukraine's resources to the usa. well, this of the following visits to trump from polish french and british vassals gave leaders who run countries without freedom. according to us, vice president j. d funds, democracy, the anniversary of rushes, moved deliberate on yes, cocky of goods on your hands. because i evans ever read your, the usa in rush, i voted to the un against puppets countries like brickley, france, and germany. much of the well, the pay is united against any economic li, suicidal, european rump. if you raise right now prompted to slash social spending and pull money into wolf or the country of hamlet,