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the nation redemptive welcome to going underground rule cussing around the world from the u. a. up to friday, scheduled visit to the white house by zalinski, or as donald trump calls him, the dictator of ukraine. so lensky off to seeing maybe a 1000000 of his people killed, is now officially signed a way, a defeated ukraine's results as to the usa. all this of the following visits to trump from polish, french and british natural state leaders who run countries without freedom. according to us, vice president j. d funds to monthly the anniversary of rush has moved deliberate down yes, khaki. you've guys on your hands because i evans ever read your, the usa and rush. i voted to the you in against the puppet countries like britain, france, and germany. much of the world is united against and he can only play suicide or european rump if you raise your hand that prompted to slash social spending and

pull money into wolf or the country of hamlet. denmark suggested peace was more dangerous than war and britain secure as thomas signal sending most of the british army to defective fight russia. all this while west asia tried to cope with a video posted by trump depicting him in that and yeah, who composing over the bones of the vitamin genocide in gaza. and moscow again is the form of the attendant candle in this office in russian on forces. talk to the imagery, training these on rushes, barn and defense policy council. this is an economy so good to have a russian on the show of to so many people from the american side. you know, we had the trump, the deputy assistant on the other day, semester and gorka. so, um, i mean from as being saying off and on. it's possible. there is some presence of west and european nato troops allowed in ukraine. and the 2nd level, the foreign minister said no. so what will happen to the soldiers if they turn up? they're, i mean, right now they're in my 6,

they're in british special forces in ukraine. what will happen to these troops, if they turn up the well, you're free, help them to come without rushes approval, which is not forthcoming as, as we see, they may become targets for russian strikes. and that would involve a, those countries into a direct and immediate military conflict where the russian federation, i hope that the, the rulers of european country is consider that seriously because. busy it's too long before it's too big. but you've been saying what's being coming out of the mouths of these are your being the leads increasingly on popular with their own populations in recent weeks, they clearly see rusher as the enemy. they believe russia has designs on london and

paris, and they seem to think that the by, even separating from the united states, they can take on russia as well. i'm not quite sure of the last thing you said because of the presence of european forces in ukraine hypothetical at this point was predicated by european leaders on the support of the united states. so, and they're all in all need. those europeans would want to have american backend. this is something that's present. trump is at least for now. unwilling to extend and i don't think frankly that this position of the american president will change . but we're seeing so many reckless moves by europeans during this week. busy or the, essentially made them almost direct participants in the

conflict. and they're helping words of warning directed out them by president fulton, last year when they were on the verge of supply and your trade was long range, missiles, and those missiles indeed was supply. although they were used to more or less and they into was own not striking much deeper into russia in most cases. but i do not trust the european leaders personally. whereas making a, you know, serious decisions about the military matters. i think that. busy many of what they decide upon is a, is reckless and laden with lots of risks for their own countries. and uh that that is a cause for much concern. clearly based on their words, people execute

a stomach that they know worried that upfront and of the russian nuclear deterrent . but then you as a mosque who is able to trust with verification, washington to a certain degree. and of course there's a timeliness to this. what's the point of any sign the agreement? if your opinion leaders continue to be the way they are? oh, just the the russian leadership in the russian government think that you are both full in line as they normally do as puppet states of washington. because at the moment they, they seem to be at odds with washington. and there is that there is that rump of your raise you between russia and the atlantic ocean and the united states as well. i think that at the end of the day, the europeans will have no alternative but to side with washington or follow washington. they don't have resources, they did,

they don't have the will of for an independent security policy and independent for and policy in the, to a sense of the word and the options or presence of american backing for the risk. a potential risk it moves in ukraine is critical for them. so i think that they will rather not challenge washington on that issue because the washington will be put in an uncomfortable position. when this european forces are deployed in ukraine and then they, their locations and their base is engaged by the russian forces. washington will face a very difficult challenge which i never to respond

to and they involve themselves, america. that is a goal, the united stage into a bowl. a real with russia was a band to ensure your p, a nato allies, a choice. the prism trump certainly would want to avoid. so yeah, clearly there is talk of withdrawal of us troops occupying troops from western europe, but trump is wielding a degree of leverage against something economic leverage against east west and european countries. for other reasons. russia though, and we've been covering on this program over the past 3 years, was paying zalinski for the rent of the pipeline usage for gas into western europe and is supplying energy still to west and europe have. when is rest, you're going to sanction the countries of west in europe? well, i don't, so i wouldn't, i wouldn't bet on that of europe may eventually sanction russia and they're completely cut off those that never stay. so here it is union that are still

getting gas from russia that would be a risky move in terms of the integrity and unit, sorry to interrupt that he was really advise that off the black market. that because it needs the energy con, supply of old united states can supply all of it. they have to, they truly desperate for original energy. right? they find that the russian war, in fact, london violent in paris will let them say what they want to say. but the pressure does need the fluid exchange and uh, it has to be a non here, the very openly in russia, the after cutting off a gas supplies to, or uh, the material supplies to the, to the rest of the world that end up in, in western countries would not be uh, you know, a small move by russia. so yes, so there is, um,

a certain debris opener. so how shall i put it in consistency and this whole thing, but that we're dealing with, whether they to call it a strange wall or a wall where the unconventional features. uh, there is no war declared in ukraine. uh there is, uh, the diplomatic relations have not been officially broken just uh, there are no embassies at the 2 countries. and of course, uh, relations between russia and europe that are in a, in a proxy war situation. or the united states for that matter. still continued uh, throughout the 3 years of the war. yeah, it's a little bit strange for the working classes of russia, though. is it the beginning russians and these are european weapons. so when the new chancellor, germany says he wants to send the new tours, miss a, he means aiming to murder decalle russians. that's the whole idea are in love,

these russian parts of western european pods of bad to actually target inside russia rather than the battle as well. that is, that is true. and in my view, strikes deep and inside russia, by your european or with, with, with your initials. and we know that such strikes cannot proceed without the support of the nations that are provided those items. so they are essentially the same is of the trigger a cigarette to me and sometimes uh, literally speaking and up to that goal sort of tradition. and they help invoices in russia, many voices, persistent voices that argue that the brochure should not be only targeting those ukrainians that uh, formerly in charge of those missiles,

but to pay back to those forces in europe that are behind those on sales, those of deliveries. and that intelligence delivered to recreate that enables that you create the invoices to strike interruption. that never materialized, which is presumably why london, for instance, is not fragment of russia and continues to talk up war and the mass killing of russians as a, as a kind of juicy, i'm not sure these are western european nations can actually launch things without the american satellites, and this guy, you know, in any sense, in any other, any other way they don't have the technology, arguably. but how isolated then is this western european area movie. so russia and the united states voting the same way that you and how isolated you expect your up to be. and that's why i kind of said, maybe measuring sanctions on less than your it would be would be not seen as, as a place given. most of the rest of the world appears to think west and europe is

the only thing standing between a washer and ukraine and a peace deal as well. i think it's still too early to, to, to say that the united states has completely changed its cost on ukraine, on russia. yes, we have seen the unique case of the united states, the siding with russia against the european union during a major vote in the united nations. yes, we have seen some, we've heard some vibes coming from the white house that suggests that the approach may be changing, but we went outside yet and that there's a lot of uncertainty about the future moves and us russian relations and future moves. and us policy to work toward russia and,

and us involvement in ukraine is also something that, that is subject. it's subject to change or it's going, it's going to preserve some of the elements. so the old approach, i would say that we need to be a little bit cautious when we, uh, when we show up out what, uh, what, what concrete changes have been ruled sofa by a donald trump and where he may go yet from a field trip down to major janet and i'll stop you, the more from a member of russia's for an indefensible, as it counts. a lot of this by the there's no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy the earth. is the case for the med, most of the people. i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also absurd. this is the 3rd world lunacy re washing press for. so the funder line likes to say,

we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deals to living on campus very quickly propaganda. you know a price here in new york. i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. the more questions ask a better. the answer is will be the right one fun is neglected. there's a need not to abandon the other stuff because my fear is that it was good in the bottom dollar bonds one find o when a was son was neglected, and 911 happened the the, the welcome back to going underground. i'm still here with a full,

with director of the county of the most cassandra now member of russia's foreign and defense policy council, doctor dmitri trenton, dr. trenton, you were expressing caution at the end of the one about the trump policy. these are the russia ukraine. i mean, i've got to ask you whether uh, in the lights of the fee is clearly that he's pursuing some sort of imagine re nick sony in line. i mean it's that is that because the trump administration doesn't really appreciate the times of change and the tone between badging and most cool can no longer be split apart like richard nixon did as well. i think they've loved also from trump's 1st step. dr. whitehouse not the frontal attack on the side. no russian relationship would yield a few if any results. so the they're likely to get smiled at this time.

but surely they, uh, they believe in the white house today that it is uh, your last degree of default of the bite administration that took on china and russia simultaneously. that venturing and moscow had been able to forge a fairly close relationship for trump. it's no longer the uh, the, the, the gable, but the idea ologies, it's no longer the collective west. uh, united by a liberal globalist ideology. we're taking along the quote unquote or sorry, diarrhea and east of with that russia and china to full of they look at china and russia as to the 2 separate entities. they want to uh, issue different policies to reach american objectives in each case except,

sorry to interrupt for that you all set for all the transaction is i'm of the trumpet ministration. he was clear about bricks. i mean, you clearly express a desperate fear in the early days after the organization of amy move away from the use of the dollars. so he's very aware of a new world order that is imagine uh uh, i think he is, but uh, the move away from the dollar is something that is uh, is happening in rushes. relations with a lot of countries simply simply because russia has been borrowed from the global dollar based financial market. and russia has been using a national guard and sees it has been using the rubel. and it's uh, a night shift business transactions with, with a lot of countries. and even the zap is, is often the problem including and rushes relations with china. with regard to come

on bricks, currency i don't think we are anywhere near that. yeah, that's the point rusher. wasted. it's time food in wasted. the time that was available to the russian federation to speed this process up. because right now, none of those bricks countries are going to want to oppose the united states that will be seen to opposing the united states by turning to non dollar trade because it will be subject to 100 percent tires as well. that's, that's true. but it's also true that even before trump, there was fairly little headway that was made in that direction within bricks. um, china with its, uh, enormous uh, volume of trade relations with the united states and uh, the european union is simply not uh, interested in, uh, risking its a position in both of those giant markets by doing something that

would be uh, with the seen as uh, inimical to the dollar, and then it goes to the existing financial system. uh, similarly for india. so its, uh, the relationship relations within bricks. uh, interesting, but uh, it's not always that the, the member states. so the group that takes, that has expanded recently that they, that the members of the group see i to, i, among themselves with regard to the major economic issues in financial issues. so we were talking about the, with the, with a bricks. we're talking about payments instruments, we're talking about making payments. a systems work in a, in the situation when one of the major members of the group or are you brochure is essentially ejected. trump the global financials. yeah. but that's an advantage

arguably, and that would be it all you be an excuse. i mean, it sounds like incompetence that during these 3 years, this arrangement wasn't sped up. i mean, what you're actually saying, i suppose is that trump has bought a new lease of life for american hegemony. perhaps even allowing to make the mineral deal with the russia over the contracts from preferential mineral rights in east and ukraine, which you'd normally have don't rush who would be making a deal with china or of the require a quiet the territories of you. great. i as well uh, tempest changing uh is changing the model of american hegemony is not. he's not counseling american, the gym and he wants it to be more efficient. he wants to got a spending a wants to uh, subsidize, the americas l i n. hi, mr. trump has not had your money by that's a multi polar world, as spoken about my rush or the issue. and it's just

a rush or it hasn't been up to the mark of russia is, uh, is, is, is what it is today. we can sometimes in uh, shrinking imagine that russia is a, is a soviet union and called it, but the soviet union was accountable for about some people say, uh, one 5th and the others. 161 7th of the global g, d, p. and actually is know, well that, that point today, shogi at your noon had the mikey industry that turned out lots of goes a different value in quality. but many of those goods were failed to good. and it had a major technological complex that booked the soviet science and technology close to the top of the world. we're in a different position today. we're trying to do better with trying to win

back. they technological sovereignty of the soviet union had. and i think that the war has a, has pushed us much further than we otherwise would have would have been able to cover the adults. yeah. by ip be are headed to imagine that somehow with what they got then then but yeah, yeah. by pvp, though, and that seems to be the new indicator of the notional cvp. arguably, what about all these $93.00 countries? um, but in the vessel states around the world that didn't catch up in time for that united nations vote and seem to be still voting with the old colonial masters in, in london and paris. will it take time for all of us, little states all around the world to understand that it is no need for the rest of phobia or any more because they must as a at the i am after will bag the w t. o. i don't the way to the future of any of these multilateral organizations. they, they don't, they want peace now,

unlike these isolated western european pause portion of the, of, as well. um, you said russell states books no internet as well. of course, the only a handful of countries that can truly enjoy sovereignty. and even dot southern g is only partial. many of the country is that you're a venture and or let's say many, many with the 93 that you venture depend on the one way and one way or another on your dns. and some would still depend many of which still depend on the united states, including the europeans. but the united states, at this point has not tried to, to uh,

to make sure that all its natural states would vote with, with the u. s. united states. uh, did not uh, the, uh, the on the europeans did not give an order to its vassals, to use your language, to make sure that they aligned themselves with the mag, with a new american position. the united states has just changed its own position and is arguing uh with, with where do your, the, is about the wisdom of that position. so it's not as it is not as simple as the does, it does it sometimes, as, as, as it's something new. sometimes it looks also let me, let me underline one important issue. many of the country is of the wood or the bricks group, including china and india did not vote with

russia on that very important issue. the chinese of the in just abstain. they have their own reasons why they upstate in odessa, but they've always been abstaining on the, on the, on that issue of probably because of the issue of jo doyle, integrity of national sovereignty involved ability board as is a, is an issue that resumes very much in their own countries and their own societies. but the truth is that the country is whom you would include normally among russia's best partners. and firms are still taking a neutral stance on the, on the very important issue. very important for russian. yeah, i presume president she and by minister moody, a tipped off, a president, putin, about that you didn't get ortega of nicaragua. it should be known as well as the

president of arrow trail. what happens and all the russians preparing for not only in 4 years time when trump goes. but if trump is killed, there will be an assassination attempt already. because so much of it seems to revolve around one figure who is dismantling this so called deep state to be united states, which has tried to destroy democracy all around the world. so that is opposed russian interests. chinese interest interests. if they go out and see it is remarkable, it's, it's, it's truly remarkable. they, there she, a power of a one brushing and the us there was a joke. surely plus years ago when the soviet union, i trust, introduced the position of a president and russia during the list sub jo can be that the typing president of the president of the soviet union was as absurd as the

title of the 8 shaw of the united states of america to that the donald trump, just what 5 weeks, 6 weeks after his inauguration has behaved more like us all in america and very interestingly is not being much opposed to happen. if you go through what things are they happen? if you know the statements by a mess, the state officials in the, in the us, but otherwise has been more or less running. but that's very little opposition within, within the united states. if, if something happens to trump, of course, the american constitution provides for the vice president to take over in that sense of the uh, the assassination of trump. prior to the election. um, what else?

uh, knocked out. uh, mike, you should go buy 2 political sake uh uh, leaving a void in his place. uh today if something god forbid happens to donald trump, it will be succeeded. you close by uh, by j. uh, by j. d. that demetrius having kind of a lot of stuff with the bulky guy and he is all right, can i have to stop it there? you can always be general. secondly to us. no, thank you very much. go ahead. i'll try that. thank you. you're welcome. that's it . for this year, i will be back on monday with the quincy institute for responsible state graft professor out at all even. but until then came into trouble. i social media and sunsets and your country and that drive channel going on. you're going to be hon dot com to let you know that it's such

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