to edit even more attention to this already and boiling contradiction. will the countries now have to agree on a new set of boundaries when it comes to defending national board as well to discuss that i'm now joined by invested or i see if there are any back of sense form or special representative jobs kind of stuff currently senior research fellow at b is, i'm about the policy research institute investor. it's a great honor for me to talk to thank you very much for being available. thank you for having me. now let me start with something that is a very close to your home late last year. but cosign in indian media were buzzing. the discussion on pakistan strikes on one of the i've, i've got a sense of provinces. and i know it's a big thing for you uh for the 2 countries, but i also noticed that internationally, you know, many out of countries where a sort of doing a similar kinetic scene because at that time is real and turkey, we're moving from a boldly on into the syrian territory, there is

a rush as presence in ukraine. we know about is there a israel's operation in gas? donald trump is now talking about expanding american borders officially by quite acquiring greenland and canada. i wonder if you take that all as sort of isolated incidents or do you think perhaps the some of the countries have become far more liberal when it comes to redrawing the map. i think that we are mixing as many issues together. the 1st is no to sufficient, the similar a mute effort to bucks on strikes. that is was a result of the intelligence base report that need to be cover this work order and a, and the, and do a planning. so those are precision strikes based on incursions and none of

the, a one nationalism one. and then a similar strike took place to be back in march, last drills again, the same intelligence base. the reason was that these 22 people, they are taking so truly in the what son the as for the you in the report, the tools to 6000 and they are the largest group so far as far as phone carriers are concerned. apart from my highest k p, then the stomach moment of those books, um and then uh, a t i m. uh, it's a long running problem, but uh, it's a, it's a problem that's positioned outside your borders and you know that according to the international law, all countries have to respect the neighbors border. so there's always a controversy whenever somebody crosses into somebody else the this was not drug classical, you know, why lucian, what about the 2 to be

a tax on bucks some positions joined by the one nations. it is not there to be exclusive attacks on bucks on security forces to williams, and so they have engaged in death and destruction. and then what about ice cube? the people who have done the architects in the could mind trying it on in most cool and focus on so the, so you have to actually address these issues and like on this you and then you can norton me send the sovereignty comes when the other side also respects the sovereignty of others. now my question is not to criticize a practice done by any measure. i'm not an expert on that, but i wonder if perhaps the current framework of international law not only by the fact that they and many countries seem to be ignoring it, but, but by the fact that it doesn't seem to solve the issues that you have just raised

whether the framework needs to be updated, revise brought in touch with reality some how well those uh you are referring to. i can understand that those, those are the movers and shakers in the water. when you in good bucks on into that, then can you're thinking just that was like the analogy drawing on back to a huge situation as i said in the beginning is difficult different. so when the do you do talk about iceland? no, for the metro next thing. uh, mexico and canada. so the, so you all know, we all know under the international law, that is actually a tech on the phone. and the one in may, school out in the state of war and the, the same united states and natural forces the entered into the agreement and no one essential can and left smilingly. now they have left for the language of

our disposition is a building. so we, we respect to, but at the same time, the left, you know, the central problem of it. so if you are in my shoes how you're going to address 6, i'm not qualified to answer that question. that's why i'm interviewing you. but can i just, um, double check the 2nd part of my question, do you seeing the, the international environment there? so the current a source has become somewhat more permissible just to re drawing the borders or crossing into the neighboring territory a little bit more sort of uh, care free them. it seems to be, i think, a, that's a loose talk. and that we discussed that talk and the drawing of the bar as means it would actually bring the piece of security in,

in the word dangerous. so this is something you guys have dangerous talk. do you think there could be any i joined international action because i remember a couple of years back. there was a lot of talk to police from the russian side about the shared secures of principal, you know, all major powers and regional powers. committing to the principle of not advancing very security at the cost of the neighbor. do you think it's realistic to perhaps come back to that principle or invent some other? i think we have to go back to the drawing board and we have to discuss this in um, total manner. and we should not leave this to some vertical mavericks that they decide about to anything. and this is not the way all for conducting international business. how can i ask specifically about ways of

conducting international business? because, and i've gotten a sense uh, or the tally, binds uh, policy or sort of style of international engagement seems to be very interesting. crowded because on summer shoes they seem to be and very unconventional as put it that way, for example, refusing to issue a passports to the citizens for crossing into pakistan for example. but on other issues, on other matters, like negotiating with the indians, they seem to project an image of a fully fledged diplomatic power. how do you sort of see how to characterize this foreign policy approach? well, instead it's i think, to the bottom of student learning and even though they hold the deadline quickly about the conduct of relationship, what does it mean to respect the sovereignty and integrity of for each of

those bodies. and what does it mean that to, in the economic real, how to behave, how to grant access to each other and in the region it does have been most efficient. so we hope that the internal government of one's really take measures that really be beneficial for the people a lot of help on some chasing they're genuinely uh, not aware of how to do those things and need to learn or are they perhaps using uh, you know, some loopholes in behaving in a certain way when it pleases down with one nation and showing a difference. i go to that. so i went to the, that's the case then the thing is the cloud about hoffman because every new thing that perhaps they refuse the room say

in a one match was not to have fox sports. and this is not the case. i think you have to check affects because the usual most of 2000 visa is birthday is to the highest number, perhaps anywhere in the world. we have such a number of businesses that issue. the should also known that they have 5 other neighbors off. they cannot grow, you know, use the, the because sessions which bucks on used to give them that was not available to done with the other 5. numerous. and yeah, you wrote recently the president cuz i used to call pakistan and i've got a son sammy's twins that cannot be separated. do you agree with him and what, what do you want pack us down to be in the such a symbiotic relationship with any other nation? i have no doctor of the there's a symbolic relationship between bucks on, on

a while. so again, a squared exceptional dec, 17 tribes are actually on the border. this is not that is the one, some other 5 neighbors. we should, we have a different box on one. so the and then coming up histories to and more so for instance, they have projects, those books and for commons, but they go totally don't identify themselves with the projects, projects on those books. i'll take them to sun because there's the culture of the gap which has come and the more comes over to here and the projects goes, looks in the 2 comments. well, you mean one some. so do the subsea or situation testing if it is a special case, i mean, it's gonna be rolled ultimately by the international law. because what you're describing seems to be a very peculiar situation and dealing with the, you know, very traditional culture that is very different from even the pakistan's culture. i mean, the urban pakistan culture seducing,

perhaps then this border needs to be and given some sort of an exception in how a you have to keep on trying. the reason is the edge on the border. now it says and not a good example, but at polio why this is prevalent, only on bucks on the ones on border because in the polio as has been ended have if it is finished or the word booked, it is yeah, that's because of the culture, the tools we showed up, right? because the thing that they get the part of the waters of drops or shars so they should remain in me and become important nonsense. it goes like this is being pursued. so the that because that it is, but you have to visually tell the people that there is a way to interact. no one is dropping. the was coming to puck a son. no one is dropping fucks on his to go to

a one son. but those were coming from one was sunday, have to adopt a way which is internationally accepted. the goal for hugs do go on passports. they cannot imagine going to, so the passport, all right, any other country without us. so i think this is the guy's really doing all the while invested, or we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just a few moments station. the take a fresh look around his life. kaleidoscopic isn't just a shifted reality distortion, by how of tired vision with no real opinions. fixtures designed to simplify will confuse really once a better wills. and is it just as a chosen for you? fractured images presented to this, but can you see through their illusion going underground?

can the the welcome back to will the part with a seam dirani former pakistan's special representative on i've got to stand on currently as a senior research fellow and the is i'm about the policy research institute

investigator. and just before the break, we started talking about i've gotten this done and you mentioned in addition to pakistan and it's all the neighbors and best thing. it's through the intervention a solid and formal intervention of a 1000 neighbors that the guy has done is sort of kept afloat, most certainly no flourishing. but i think with russia in central asian republics on one thing in context and trying to make sure perhaps for their own good, the packet i've done is done, does not regress into k is now. is it good enough for now? do you see any opportunity just for something more inspiring, i guess, or economically viable? it is certainly not good enough, but at this same time, i think carrier should go to a one song in music neighbors and uh, gusher for sustaining. a lot of this, um,

economy currently doing it actually subsystem sleep. so the substance so slow will, is the tool, the cut us is swap and 2 bar for treat and which is 14 a was on but situation is great. there's 97 percent power train on some out of which 52 percent of ex, truly dependent on international humanitarian assistance. and unfortunately, that international humanitarian assistance is drinking and good causing fronted fee . all drugs come at the end of the come at drawing was made for $4200000000.00, but only one 3rd was actually a dealer to oh my son. same happened last year around $3400000000.00 commitment. only 1.5 percent was actually committed and that was so the country is essentially

uh, abandoned by its former partner slash, let's call it. that's the way it is. in fact, uh, was southern does not figure in america. no natural countries prior to use. now, can i ask specifically about that because you mentioned this rather her departure of the previous administration. but then you administration, the american president seems to have a great interest in rare earth materials of which i've got his time has plenty. and here recently came up with a rather unorthodox proposal for guys a suggesting to turn it into at a piano. do you expect any sort of creates if that's kind of creative ideas coming out of washington that can bring some economic development or perhaps some focus at least 2 of them has done. i don't think they was very much just curious about new tillman. why this? um and you said the left headed really no the left on the plat because my wife does

a little let me tell you of the president bush. also, journals can move in the wall and the officer was no, and he said then why i'd be visiting our blood and treasure and oh, my son pull out. so he entered into an agreement with the top to bottom and sign it and but it was implemented by prison by good. so shows there was a bipartisan support for this prolonged truth. so you, god said it was done in uh, in a, in a hurry. it was gonna try the spend good 20 years. and they took uh and gave uh for uh, from boulevard to tied up on this policy. okay. my question to you, do you believe that there is any possibility of them coming back perhaps even in some sort of a cotton like a in a joint effort, let's say with the russians or the salad is because, you know, the results of the reality is that would be an unusual thing around the miracle

if that happens are dry and upper sun made. you are the offers are made for the board of the humanity for the board of the people. there's an 8 that is a, there are no 2 opinions about that. the, the powers, they should infect step together and they should talk about peace and they also try to help in the solving disputes that where they are now uh, as i mentioned in riyadh, we had uh, the russian and american delegation. now, uh, talking about the potential for economic corporation to at least their set starting whether it's could be profitable. let's say you manage a sector or in our to cooperation if that's where to be extended a to, i've gotten it done in a genuine manner. do you think that the that it couldn't move the situation of it's current that log into it definitely makes a difference. because right now

a one son is neglected. there's a need not to abandon noble on a soft because my fear is that it was during the dial up on the bonds. 1.4 when i was son, was neglected, and 911 happened. it's the same. you can see the all the signs as far as present data. line site is concerned with dice, k p's activities and the t t p and all so they can go exeter filter. so it's all the more necessary for the word to sit together and not isolate a license. the reason i'm so sort of pressing this issue is because uh, we all heard about the present thompson, american to list approach or he seems to involve himself into uh, you know, will problems only when he sees some rational, some business ration now. and i wonder if indeed cooperating on of got us done

together can bring some benefit. not only to, let's say russia and the united states, but also perhaps to a larger re and region. and most importantly, to the i've done this dining people themselves. i do when it comes to business and then i think there'd be another opportunity for all the interested boxes. what about the tele bundy? because you mentioned about the uh paradigm and down them you know, some, etc. and aid. not being enough. do you think they're actually ready not to be the receivers of 8, even though i know that the lot of the funds are now frozen by the americans. but sort of enter into the negotiations with region know and global powers, you know, on that own self sufficient basis. are they ready to be partners? is there a mentality even of where is definitely there could be many ideas non view of talking about the tal yvonne. they may also have the idea how to on money. the

issue is that to do they have the city expertise line is not simply mathematics to propose to mix for you. told me before the interview that you're interested in afghanistan became very concrete. one is the soviet war or soviet invasion, whatever you term it. even though in the end of the union, they thought of it as brother really help whatever, as somebody, the enrollment didn't have dentist done began. and at that time uh, saudi arabia was a very important adversarial partner to the soviet union. but this time around the saudis play the very active role in bringing the russians and americans together. do you think they, they to may have a role to play in afghanistan in terms of expertise in terms of, i don't know, maybe i deal logical or religious uh, negotiation or liaison in whatever most definitely because uh, so here i be a is enjoy those. but uh, not on the influx, son,

but as son as well as the the place. so for the holy shrines of the sloane, no doubt, and then it is very appreciable that so there is playing that mutual between the us and russia. oh, well, we hope that's of some for some of the positive we've come out of transfers and we should be to the benefit of the entire board and react to also offer the assistance in negotiating between immediate and rather between the americans in the iranians and i know that you are very concerned about what may happen with iran and it's nuclear poster during the next 4 years of trump. what's more as you the most about it? what again, as you said, i think a pushing it on to the corner were uh the de jesus it on maybe down after the seat in a new cast episode where did on as such an even though trout it on is

a power to be that can with so there's a need to try and read it carefully when me addressing this and try to get my passport as me to cisco. so when you drago orthodontic means, then you can are doors from the middle east. and i'm hesitant side to good. i, i don't think that to get on is that old. i also want to ask you about iran's enemies or proclaimed him is because we are so used to the soonest you divide and you know, for and power is exploiting. that's causing. but with this new initiative by this out is to mediate between the radiance and their america's uh, how do you assess the state of the so do you rainy and relationship? do you see some possibilities there? you are likely that such a mediation would not come out of the blue. i think a confidence has been big between so do and a hit on. and again,

china play the very positive, immediately role in bringing. so then together then they had to stop the electric, which they used to use against each other. so it has a positive development. and now if so, the, to be a can play and we do trade or between united states and, and if both the parties agree asking then it will have same impact, which we can anticipate about. uh, so do mean is truthful between them. out of 10 russian. so we mentioned all the major powers of the region except one, india and the 10 minutes or more that wasn't long. the 1st leaders to call and congratulate donald trump and his victory. they also worked quite successfully during tons, 1st term. we all know that in terms a new team, there are lots of people of the indian origin in official, an unofficial capacities. for example, the vice president's wife is of indiana origin that she has massive following on

the internet. i know that the indian desperate in america is very happy. do you think that may impact the politics in any way? i mean, do you expect any changes in the indian american dynamic and how it may reflect the impact it has already? i think going back to the end as well, america's the strategic partner. and again, that has been bipartisan support with the dental care. so republicans, so it will have an impact. and i think we will have a problem with that response as the situation comes up. but of course, i major concern is a disturbing the kind of actual balance in the region like the truck or foot providing the f, the $35.00 at the end. well, to some extent, as balance has already been disrupted, because india, you know, that you really made some decisions back in 2000. 19 that some would change the

situation in kashmir at least now. my question to you and i guess it's going to be the last question in the many countries right now due to trumps. uh, uh, some of the noise book stands and forum posts. yeah. now, revising that own uh, domestic and foreign policy outreach, have you seen any moves in pakistan is practiced on changing how it approaches its neighbors, you know, its itself and its relationship with the big powers. so as you're talking about in years action, in a part there for me in august 2019, that is unacceptable. that is illegal and it is against the resolutions. so in any case, endeavors not to enjoy legitimacy, as far as in echo park. gosh me this concept. so we are very clear about what to wear a completion are kind of impressive tactics. they may not want to use uh,

building the comical miller to muscle. does that mean that they can probably be focused on? and more importantly, bucks time is not dependent on indeed. so does that task because the so in that respect and get, becomes evaluating for bucks some as far as validating is concerned, for that matter how bucks on his dependence dependence, his concept by size is not dependent. and the but at the same time in the lesion and done so. so both and then focus on the nuclear weapon states besides terrace. so there is a cause for way, for all of us, those who want to be stability in the region in the neighborhood. so i think the sen, sure will tend to infect, to the dangerous step rating uh, to uh, february 2, 1009 and 19, when they attacked puck sense. but of course today, in fact, to introduce the noun almost in a nuclear environment. so i think the book says for approval,

because otherwise it would produce for disaster measure of quite a few miracles or a possibility for miracles or turn around a major problems throughout this interview. do believe something like that is possible between india and pakistan like some new vision, some new idea that brings both to yeah, it was incredible. uh, it was definitely possible if uh that our friends who, who can play the role for media liked the c and c must say, well, we were not expecting to talk of the so do mediation between brush mass. so without, regardless of the so these are offering to me did between need on and so i think that can happen that can help. okay, well let's keep our fingers crossed, but on this sounds helpful. no, thank you very much for being with us. thank you for having here, and thank you for watching hope to share again on the welter part.

the there is no end in sight over how you're going to continue to destroy the earth. is the case for the madness of the people. i tried to go to the gym, but i'm certainly not ready to fight russia. this is also of soon. this is the 3rd world lunacy re washington. as for so the funder line likes to say, we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deals to this. let me let me on my have very quick propaganda. you know, a price here in new york. i think we don't know the aftermath any time that you're not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. some more questions, ask

a better. the answer is, will be the big trouble. no, no, not a lot of talking. your country is in big trouble. i know you're not really oh, you're not winning. this is some off see science and then see in please as a result the us to present it sucks down any hopes of of deals ending p. as i mentioned in washington from like how do you come into salt someone when you are practically begging them for money and assistance when you're wholly dependent on the, the largest with the american people, and then walk into their white house and their oval office and, and try to be argumentative and insulting and stop checking necessary. we've top solutions not to draw from not so could you take on rush you by yourselves. well.