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the hello and welcome to world to part the principles of national security and neighbors. territorial integrity have never been perfectly aligned with the arrival of donald trump onto the global stage. edit even more attention to this already and boiling contradiction. will the countries now have to agree on a new set of boundaries when it comes to defending national borders? well, to discuss that i'm now joined by invested, or i see if there are any back a sense form or special representative jobs kind of stuff. and currently senior research fellow at b as i'm about the policy research institute investor. it's

a great honor for me to talk to thank you very much for being available. thank you for having me. now let me start with something that is a very close to your home late last year. but just on an indian media were buzzing the discussion on pakistan strikes on one of the i've, i've got a sense provinces. and i know it's a big thing for you uh for the 2 countries. but i also noticed that internationally, you know, many out of countries where a sort of doing a similar kinetic scene because at that time is real and turkey, we're moving from a boldly on into the syrian territory. there is a rush as presence in ukraine. we know about, is there a israel's operation in gas? donald trump is now talking about expanding american borders officially by quite acquiring greenland and canada. i wonder if you take that all as sort of isolated incidents or do you think perhaps the some of the countries have become far more

liberal when it comes to redrawing the map. i think that we are mixing as many issues together. the 1st is no to sufficient of similar a you'd effort to bucks on strikes. that is was a result of the intelligence base report that need to be cover this work order and a, and the, and do a planning. so those are precision strikes based on incursions and not on the one nationalism one. and then a similar strike took place the back in last, last rules. again, the same intelligence base. the reason was that these 2 people, they are taking folks really know what's on the as for the you in the report, the tools to 6000 and they are the largest group so far as far as phone

carriers are concerned. apart from why i escaped the stomach moment of those books. um and then uh, if i am, uh, it's a long running problem, but uh, it's a, it's a problem that's positioned outside your borders and you know that according to the international law, all countries have to respect the neighbors border. so there's always a controversy. whenever somebody crosses into somebody mc area, this was not drug classical, you know, while lucian, what about the 2 to be a tax on bucks some positions joined by the one excellence. it is not there to be exclusive attacks on bucks on security forces to williams, and so they haven't goes in depth and destruction. and then what about ice creepy people who have done did our tax in the could mind trying it on in moscow

and bunch of some so the, so you have to actually address these issues and like i'm just you and then you can norton, me send the sovereignty comes when the other side also respects the sovereignty of others. now my question is not to criticize him back this done by any measure. i'm not an expert on that, but i wonder if perhaps the current framework of international law not only by the fact that they and many countries seem to be ignoring it, but, but by the fact that it doesn't seem to solve the issues that you have just raised whether the framework needs to be updated, revise brought in touch with reality some how well those uh you are offering to i can understand that those, those are the movers and shakers in the water. when you in good bucks on into that then can you're thinking december was lost like the analogy drawing on back to huge

situation as i said in the beginning is difficult, different. so when you do talk about iceland know for the metro next thing. uh, mexico and canada. so that's the, you all know, we all know under the international law that is actually a tech on the phone. and the one the inmates flew out in the state of war and the, the same united states and natural forces. they entered into the agreement and no one essential can and left smilingly. now they have left for the language of our disposition as a building. uh we, we respect that. but at the same time, the left, you know, the single problem after that. so if you are in my shoes how good when characteristics, i am not qualified to answer this question,

that's why i'm interviewing you. but can i just um, double check the 2nd part of my question, do you seeing the, the international environment there? so the current a source has become somewhat more permissible just to re drawing the borders or crossing into the neighboring territory a little bit more sort of a carefree them. it's used to be, i think, a, that's a loose talk. and that we discussed that talk and the drawing of the bar as means it would actually bring the piece of security in, in the war to danger. so this is something guys, so dangerous talk. do you think there could be any i joined international action because i remember a couple of years back. there was a lot of talk the police from the russian side about the share of security, the principal, you know, all major powers and regional powers. committing to the principle of not advancing

the security of the cost of the neighbor. do you think it's realistic to perhaps come back to that principle or invent some other? i think we have to go back to the drawing board and we have to discuss this in um, total manner. and we should not leave this to some vertical mavericks that they decide about to anything. and this is not the way all for conducting international business. how can i ask specifically about ways of conducting international business? because, and i've gotten a sense uh, or the tally, binds uh, policy or sort of style of international engagement seems to be very interesting. crowded because on summer shoes they seem to be and very unconventional as put it that way, for example, of refusing to issue

a passports to the citizens for crossing into pakistan for example. but on other issues on other matters like negotiating with the indians. they seem to project an image of a fully fledged diplomatic power. how do you sort of see how to characterize this foreign policy approach was instead it's i think, to the bottom of student learning us. and even though they hold the deadline quickly about the conduct of relationship, what does it mean to respect to solving to you and the integrity of for each of those bodies? and what does it mean that to, in the economically on how to behave, how to draw in texas to each other and in the region it does have been most efficient. so we hope that the internal government of ones

i'm really take measures that really be beneficial for the people of health on some chasing. they're genuinely not aware of how to do those things and need to learn or are they perhaps using uh, you know, some loopholes in behaving in a certain way when it pleases down with one nation and showing a difference. i go to that. so i went to the, that's the case then the thing is sick level by hoffman because it is the thing that perhaps they refuse the room say in a one nation's not to have fox sports. and this is not the case. i think you have to check affects because the usual most of 2000 users birthday is to the highest number, perhaps anywhere in the world with such a number of businesses that issue. the one should also know that they have 5 other

neighbors off. they cannot really, you know, use the, the, the concessions which bucks on used to give them that was not available to done with the other 5, numerous. and yeah, you wrote recently the president cuz i used to cold practiced on and i've got a son sammy's twins that cannot be separated. do you agree with him and what, what do you want pack us down to be in the such a symbiotic relationship with any other nation? i have no doctor of the there's a symbolic relationship between bucks on on. i was so again, a squared exceptional dec, 17 tribes are actually on the border. this is not the tiers, so the ones on the other 5 neighbors. we should we have a different box on, on one. so the and then coming up industries to and more so for instance, they have projects, those books and for commons. but the culturally don't identify themselves with the

projects, projects on those books on our took them to sun because there's the culture of the gap which has come. and the more comes over to here and the project goes, looks and the 2 comments will human one some. so do the subsea or situation testing . it is a special case. i mean, that cannot be ruled ultimately by the international law because what you're describing seems to be a very peculiar situation and dealing with the, you know, very traditional culture that is very different from even the pakistan's culture. i mean, the urban pack is done, the culture seducing, perhaps then this border needs to be and given some sort of an exception in how a you have to keep on trying. the reason is that the, on the border now it says and not a good example. but the polio awareness is prevalent only on bucks on the ones on border. because and the polio, as has been ended, have

a just finish all or the word, but it is. yeah, that's because of the culture, the tools we saw that pride because the thing that if they get the part of the waters of drops or sharks. so they should remain in me and become important nonsense. it goes like this is being pursued. so the that because of that it is. but you have to visually tell the people that there is a way to interact. no one is dropping, the was coming to part to some. no one is dropping fucks on is to go to a one sun. but those were coming from i was on. they have to adopt a way which is internationally accepted. the goal for the hugs do go on passports. they cannot imagine going to, so the passport or any other country without us. so i think this is a good healey doing all due to the well invested, or we have to take a very short break right now, but we will be back in just

a few moments. station the hello and welcome to across the full board. here we discussed some real in the welcome back to it was a part with a seam dirani, former pakistan's special representative. and i've got to stand on currently a senior research fellow and the is i'm about the policy research institute investigator. and just before the break or started talking about, i've gotten this done and you mentioned in addition to pakistan and it's other neighbors. and i think it's through the intervention a solid and formal intervention of a 1000 neighbors that the guy has done is sort of kept afloat. knows such a thing the flourishing. but i think was the russian central asian republics. i'm

going to need contacts and trying to make sure perhaps for their own good. the packet i've done is done, does not regress into k is now. is it good enough for now? do you see any opportunities for something more inspiring, i guess, or economically viable? it is such an and not good enough, but at this same time, i think gartner should go to a one song, a music neighbors, and uh, gusher for sustaining a one this on economic a few and actually use subsystem sleep. so the substance level is true. the cutoff is for up and to bar for truth and which is 14, a was on, but situation is great. there's 97 percent of our gene on some part of which 52 percent of ex, truly dependent on international humanitarian assistance. and unfortunately,

i see that internationally, i mean, into a successes drinking and good posing fronted fee. all drugs come at the end of the come, a drawing was made for $4200000000.00, but only one 3rd. was actually a dealer to, oh was the same happened last year around $2400000000.00 commitment only 1.5 percent was actually committed. female was so the country is essentially at abandoned by its former partner slash, let's call it that's the way it is. in fact, a was learning does not figure in, in america, no natural countries prior to use. now, oh, can i ask specifically about that? because you mentioned this rather, her departure of the previous administration. but then you administration, the new american president seems to have a great interest in rare earth materials of which i've done his time has plenty.

and here recently came up with a rather unorthodox proposal for god's a, suggesting to turn it into at a piano. do you expect any sort of creative, a kind of creative ideas coming out of washington that can bring some economic development though? perhaps some focus at least 2 of dennis done. i don't think they was very much just curious about blue tillman of let us. and then you said the left 100 and you know, the left on the plan because my wife doesn't let me tell you of the president bush . also journals can move in the wall and the officer was no. and he said, then why are we visiting our blood and treasure? and oh, my son pull out. so he entered into an agreement with the top to bottom and sign it and but it was implemented by prison by could it. so it shows that it was

a bipartisan support to this pull out from so you can see it. it was done in the, in the, in a high, it was going to try the spend good 20 years. and they took the gave or the from boulevard to tied up on this policy. okay. my question to you, do you believe that there is any possibility of them coming back? perhaps even in some sort of a cotton like a in a joint effort. let's say with the russians or the salad is because, you know, the results of the reality is that would be an unusual thing around the miracle. if that happens are dry and up. verse i made you aren't offers are made for the board of the humanities for the board of the people. designate the there's a, there are no 2 opinions about the, the good powers. they should infect step together and they should talk about peace . and they also try to help in resolving disputes,

widow and they are now uh, as i mentioned in riyadh, we had uh, the russian and the american delegation. now uh, talking about the potential for economic corporation to at least their set siding, whether it could be profitable, let's say in man, and just extra or in our to cooperation if that's where to be extended a to i've gotten to spending a genuine manner. do you think that the that could move the situation of its current deadlock? it will definitely make a difference because of right now a one son is neglect to. there's a need not to abandon the son because my fear is that it was due to the bottom dollar bonds. 1.4 when i was son, was neglected, and 911 happened. it's the same. you can see the all the signs as far as present data. one side is concerned with dice,

k p's activities and the t t p and all. so they can go exeter filter, so it's all the more necessary for the word to sit together and not isolate a one. so that's the reason i'm so sort of pressing this issues because uh, we all heard about the present terms of mercantile this approach or he seems to involve himself into uh, you know, world problems only when he sees some rational, some business ration now. and i wonder if indeed cooperating on of got a son together can bring some benefit. not only to, let's say russia and the united states, but also perhaps to a larger re and region. and most importantly, to the dentist dining people themselves. i do when it comes to business and then the thing that i put you on it is for all the interested boxes. what about the tele bundy? because uh you mentioned about the uh bare diamond down them. you know,

some matters higher and aid, not being enough. do you think they're actually ready not to be the receivers of 8, even though i know that the load of that funds are now frozen by the americans. but sort of enter into the negotiations with region know and global powers. um you know, on that own uh, self sufficient basis. are they ready to be partners? is there a mentality even of what the under to there could be many ideas non view of talking about the tyler bond. they may also have the idea how to on money. the issue is that to do they have the so the expertise line is not simply mathematics. 2 plus 2 makes for you told me before the interview that they are interested in have dentist and became very concrete on the soviet war or soviet invasion, whatever you term it, even though in the end of the union, they thought of it as uh, brother, really help, whatever. uh,

so be the enrollment didn't have dentist on began and at that time, uh, saudi arabia, it was very important of your serial partner to the soviet union. but this time around the saudis played a very active role in bringing the russians and americans together. do you think they, they, to may have a role to play in afghanistan in terms of expertise in terms of, i don't know, maybe ideological or religious a negotiation or liaison in whatever most definitely because low. so here be a, is, enjoys us, but not on the influx, son, but i'll buy some as well and it's the place. so for a whole, the whole, it shines office long, no doubt. and then it is a very happy she'll be there to. so there is playing that media travel between the us and russia. hope we hope that of some, for some of the other 2 will come out of trophies and we should be to the benefit of the entire board. and we had also offered the assistance in negotiating between

immediate and rather between the americans in the iranians. and i know that you're very concerned about what may happen with iran and it's nuclear poster during the next 4 years of trump. what's more, is you the most about it? well again, as you said, i think a pushing it on to the corner were the, the data this, it on maybe down after the season, you pass it up as or where do it on as such. and even though trout it on is a power to be that can with so there's a need to try and read it carefully when me on earth saying this and try to get my ass what has made it is cisco. so when you drago orthodontic means, then you can are doors sick from the middle east, and i'm hesitant side to good. i, but i don't think that to get on is settled. i also want to ask you about iran's

anyways, will proclaim dan him is because we are so used to the sunni, she a divide and you know, for and power is exploiting that's causing. but with this new initiative by this out is to mediate between the radiance and their america's uh, how do you assess the state of the so do you rainy in the relationship? do you see some possibilities there? you were likely that the search and mediation would not come out of the blue. i think a confidence has been big between so do and a hit on and nag in china play the very positive, immediately role in bringing. so the and together then they had to stop the electric, we still use to use against each other. so it is a positive development. and now it's so the to be a can play and we do trade or between united states and. and if both parties

agree, asking then edward have same impact, which we can anticipate about. so do me the travel between america and russian. now we mentioned all the major powers of the region except one, india and the 10 minutes or more. it wasn't long. the 1st leaders to call and congratulate donald trump on his victory. they also worked quite successfully during tom's 1st term. we all know that in terms of a new team, there are lots of people of the indian origin in the official an unofficial capacities. for example, the vice president's wife is of indiana. arranging that she has massive following on the internet. i know that the indian desperate in america is very happy to do you think that may impact the big politics in any way? i mean, do you expect any changes in the indian american dynamic and how it may reflect on because it has already, i think, going back to the end as well. america's the strategic bar room. again,

that has been bipartisan support rather dental care. so republicans, so it will have an impact and i think we will formulate our response as a sufficient comes up. but of course, our immediate concern is a disturbing the kind of actual balance in the region like the truck or foot providing the have the $35.00 actually ended. well, to some extent, as balance has already been disrupted, because india unilaterally made some decisions back in 2019 that somewhat change the situation in kashmir, at least now, my question to you, and i guess it's going to be the last question in the many countries right now, due to trumps. uh, uh, some of the noise book stands on for an post and that will revising that own domestic and foreign policy outreach. have you seen any moves in pakistan is practiced on changing how it approaches its neighbors. you know its itself and

its relationship with the big powers. so as you're talking about the end does action in a combined fisherman in august 2019. that is unacceptable. that is illegal and it is against the resolutions. so in any case, endeavors not to enjoy legitimacy as far as england occupied, crush me to discuss them. so we are very clear about what to wear a co pay chart repressive tactics. they may not want to use uh, building the comic or military muscle. does it mean that they can probably be focused on? and more importantly, bucks on is not dependent on india. so does that cost because the so in that respect and get becomes a value in 4 bucks some as far as validating is concerned with, for that matter of bucks on his dependence dependence, his concept by size is not dependent and the, but at the same time in the lesion and done so. so both and then focus on nuclear

weapon states besides this. so these are costs for what you for all of us, those who want to be stability in the region as in the neighborhood. so i think the center to should prove will tend to infect, to the dangerous step rating uh to uh, february 2009 and 19 when the attack for buck sense. but of course today, in fact, to introduce the noun almost in a nuclear then moment. so i think the book says for true, because otherwise it would start. disaster mentioned quite a few miracles or a possibility for miracles or turn around a major problems throughout this interview. do believe something like that as possible between india and pakistan. like some new vision, some new idea that brings both to yeah, it was agreeable. it was definitely possible if uh that our friends who,

who can play the role for media liked the c and c must say, well, we were not expecting talk of the sodium edition between russia and madison without regardless of the so these are offering to me did because you need on and so i think that can happen, that can help. okay, well let's keep our fingers crossed, but on this sound with hopeful no, thank you very much for being with us. thank you for having and thank you for watching hope to share again on walter part the the, the,

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