that goes to the people who are not allowed to move up the rest of the the, the gates on both directions. uh, they have the, the front of the leasing office. and as many times we have just we are calling every one 1st for the 1st of one of the mediators on the americans. we could also the international community to intervene, so blah is slated to abide the deed. we are ready to implemented. we are committed to the dean, we are eh, they go to implemented honestly and seriously. therefore, i think we, we are pulling the national community to intervene. otherwise, we are really before, obviously not even when he comes back to me. we have to fight back. we have to defend ourselves and we have done along the last 15 months. we want to be sure that this deal is, is going to lead to it failed amenities, fail it door to door and serious prism or change. and then the starting

the process of goods as to why should release the prison. i was on the 1st day without being sure that it will lead to communities for free on a, along the last few days in contact with the categories, with magic options. and we have to have them in clear works on position, and they only have heated the of minnesota for an official agency since clearly this way is lost to go immediately if for any decisions about the setup fees. and they are not allowed to subsidize the deal or to fit my wall or cutting they. the side of the statements of them is on the front of his, of these and i think it's key for them. indeed those and for every one was for the top. that is this site who is so testing the div is always good to have you where there is a hope you're having to pass like stalled c o day of next piece of lavelle on the

close. don't team or coming your way and we'll be back with more news updates in the see minutes. see you then the welcome to prospect bullhorn is where all things are considered. i'm peter a little ukraine. slower president. zelinski went to washington designed a deal. instead, he laid an egg and that's putting it mildly, is the damage. repairable, is peace still on the agenda. to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george samuel, we in budapest, he's a pod cast where the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow,

we crossed to mark's level that he's an international relations and security analyst, or a gentleman cross type rules, and the fact that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate it . all right, let's take it off with mark in moscow. here we're going to talk about the if the actrix i'm going to talk about if there was an, an bush, we're going to talk a lot of things about this unprecedented event that we saw with uh, zalinski is visit to the white house on friday. but i want to ask both of you the most important question and the most serious one is have efforts to end the conflict in ukraine been enhanced mark or the been diminished as a result of what was a theatrical that we saw mark. yeah, do i mean with this is a frank? yes, that has shocked the world. um, i don't believe that it has either increased or decreased the chance i think what we had going in. there's a different dynamic certainly, but everything we've heard from the europeans and the key. every game is uh, they're, you know, they're gonna continue to fight,

even if the us walks away the mark owing to georgia. the last time i talked to you, we were concerned that the initiative that trump was so fond of of ending the conflict in ukraine during the campaign after his and all your ration up until this meeting. there was, you know, be, you know, there's no denying the united states and russia are talking to each other. that's good news. i mean, i, i think we all would agree with that. but it had very little to do with ukraine. and that's really at the core of, of the issue here. so george, the same question to you enhance, diminished. so i think it's too early to say to the problem of those with a trial visit. he's really talking about 2 different things as suggesting that he's talking about the same thing. so he's talking about this manual is the low basically an extraction deal, but by which essentially, the ukraine,

the dental country assigns itself over to the united states as the credits. and then, as the credit to it will have a vested interest in ukraine, prospering and paying off its debt. crowd sees that as a way of providing security because a credit that has a vested interest in the security of the debt. they doesn't want anything to happen to the data because then you doesn't get his loans repaid. so that's how trump sees it. but then he switches over and starts talking about his, the best deal with russia to end the war. and so it's very confusing when he's talking about, you know, which is he talking about the deal with, with russia. and that we, we haven't seen any trace of this all this particular um extraction deal. so, um, you know, that's my question when, when, when we figure out where, where everything is going then and then we'll be able to answer your question. you

know, go ahead match up and yeah, i mean, does this extraction deals move instead instead in the water? i think it was always a red herring. right. i agree. oh, but if you take a look at the text of this deal, it was not a decade on their academic deal as a vague statement of intent that serv political purposes on both sides, but both in terms of minerals to extract and potential profits and the reality of the legality of the document. it was never real. it it serv political purposes? um, as for um, you know, uh the idea of uh, ending the conflict. the peace settlement. well, is one side the coverage impact by europe has absolutely no intention of diplomacy or peace negotiations as zelinski made perfectly clear, arguing loudly back at the us, vice president and the president and swearing at them in the fall of firms under

his breath in raj. and then you know, what can be done, the best that trump can do at this point is walk away. and that is what, supposedly you know, what the, you know, the, the rumor mill in dc is that he's talking about doing. but i think we need to separate 2 things. now, the normalization of the process of restoring diplomatic ties and the normalization of relations between the us and russia as a bilateral issue from negotiations to end the conflict, then ukraine, which will look less likely than ever at this point because they are not the same thing. there's a certain amount of overlap, but increasingly they're whitening the gulf. you don't need to judge you to you and i've talked good. i got a great deal about the so called minerals deal. i obviously it cut that the document or memorandum of understanding whatever you want to call it. and mark is absolutely right and you and i have looked at and it's,

it's amazingly vague. okay. but i think that this was a way for trump to get some kind of wind out of it because he, he is obviously not interested in this conflict. he obviously sees this is biden's, which i think he's absolutely right about that. um, it was a way for him to show his base money. i've saved the money, i'm making money, his base. he thinks that's what's going to attract them. but it's a, it's not going to solve it, particularly since the so called minerals are mostly in the hands of the russians right now, which uh, the western media has in pointed out and obviously, and there was a whole lot more in play gentlemen. then george, uh much to my, um, lee, a trump through russia gate. right. and so escape and then me. and that is in the back of his mind. you know, i went through all of this nonsense, this hoax and you were at the center of if you didn't say that. exactly. but that's certainly what he implied, george. he did say that the that,

and i was very pointed. but i think the, the board about the, the extraction agreement, i mean the, it's, it's all encompassing. it's a, it's a, it's minerals. it's maria, it's boil gas hydrocarbons. um, pause infrastructure. i mean, they're everything, it'll whatever moves in ukraine. the light to say it's once a percentage of charles things of this is a, a good deal and see kind of whenever he's the he was off. he's aust, repeatedly this question. the security guard is one of those security guys when he was a kid again. so he has, these 2 wants us to that, just as says that, well, we're going to have people on the ground and you know, the where america goes, you know, we don't know what, what does he mean by people on the ground, you know, contractors, military, people, security, you know what it, whatever we got people on the ground and therefore no one is going to mess with us . so that's the one on so many other onset is whether, you know, we know when the review. so what's the point of asking me repeatedly about the so what about this security guarantees?

you know, we've got to get the deal 1st wants to go to deal, then we can talk about security guarantees. so it has these 2 ounces, but, but you know, when he exhaust uh several times, are you going to continue supplying um, support? you crazy said these are send this out several times. you said yes, i'm going to continue on, but i hope i don't have to provide too much because i hope we will have peace. so he leaves everything up in the app. now i actually think charles has is now invested in this agreement. i think he, you know, at the, if you were the ends, amazon landscape is humble pie and go to trial and say, you know, we'd be, you know, i think so, man, scattered out of the too much stress. he's english isn't very good. uh you know that, but he really, really likes you and he really, really wants to work with you. troll trumps of you know, he's a very forgiving person. the value of the he doesn't hold grudges and i, i think it came on by. i think that is why here's the deal is agreement. i, i,

i interesting that they will sign something. now when the say anything, joe or them with those, any money to be made, that's a different issue, but i think they will sign something at some point. i, i think this, it's a fools error and i think it's a cover. like i said, it's the, give him a when, i mean the idea of the, the amount of time and resources they go into a project, them the, it's a, it's, it's, it's huge. okay. and i think that new trump is looking for a short term when and he lost that at least at this point. marcy, we're disagreeing. go ahead. yeah, i mean just the description of trump is a forgiving person. i think he is. what of i beg to disagree? i think he's one of the most been skin narcissistic and vindictive human beings on earth and zelinski and the european leaders who are right now, meeting in paris at a summit, who's got a, a conference title is officially the e jo versus trump and pool. right. the european leaders and zelinski are gathered

at had do best to remember that he is the king of elephants, and an elephant never forgives, though. i've never so do. i'd spend it never forgives either. i. i kept this a dread. george. go ahead. uh, the interest dislike. 3 more. awesome. yeah, the locker room b o is the secretary of state delivered all over the terrible things that he and rubio said about each other. lindsey graham is one of his closest age to style. i'm a st. people to who can pay in the get to watch the commer harris's campaign and yet they are, they all warm and fuzzy. trunk is a very pragmatic for us and he doesn't fold group projects. once the, once a, something is over, then the digits over and, you know, the campaigns. okay. yeah, yeah. i think that's a good point, george. but you know, this is something that trump is a and get held very close to his heart in this. a lensky is in the way. and i

already mentioned gentleman russell gave here, and i don't think trump's very forgiving about that. and that be i correct. yep. okay, did you mark e and what was the setup? i mean who i always to? yeah, no i'm i that was my 1st take when i watched the 10 minute clip that i think most of the news concerned people on earth i've seen or at least seen part of that was my 1st reaction. right? that this appeared to be a trump vance. tag team, right? the but if you watch the entire 5060 minute segment, right? of the entire meeting, the 40 minutes before, and trump, this was all done in front of the press. i will, and he even said, we'll take one more question. right. and then they were going to go off to lunch and sign this deal and everything. this was the landscape. this was zelinski who

took, oh, he's been sitting there seizing and rolling his eyes and laughing, exasperated size and looking. i don't know, painted withdrawal symptoms, whatever you want to call it. oh, but i saw i saw it would draw a gentleman. i saw i would do it in bizarre. jumped in right and said, started talking. we want diplomacy and zelinski lost it and then he caught him still back down, but he kept going and it was made clear to him beforehand, right before he came here, that this was a meeting that trump didn't want that a cron pushed him on. that zalinski didn't have to come here to sign this deal, but he wanted it, but that there wouldn't be read no re negotiating of the terms of this minerals deal. right? that, that there would be no such ups listed. security guarantees in it and that the trump's course was diplomacy to come to

a negotiated settlement of the conflict and, and he, he opened it up and as j. d. rab said he started the lift gate to argue the whole thing in front of the american people, trying to talk over the president of the united states in the oval office. he referred to j. d events as j. d rats, right? he called them j d r. a gentleman, i have to jump in here. we're going to go to a hard break and have to add hard break. we'll continue our discussion on what happened last friday. stay with our to the during world war 2, the germans with the help of the starship. the creation revolutionary movement that the independent state of croatia transported hundreds of people have no way to work in force, labor camps. the germans wanted the work force to build roads and the infrastructure in norway. so when they couldn't get enough prisoners from serbia, they contacted the social and the install of these camps to you had the death rate

up to 82 percent each, which she's actually higher done in the old suite. among the dozens of children, lloyd did the george a boy, but i'll tell you, and we'll go to the coast for this. and the woods should get type, the owner's school. that'd be good to. this had such a goodness, such as and would not say that they had the horrible conditions except from the t lease. many people night from surveys, hunger as diseases, very few maybe back home was the some of it drove the that to logic drove a day or 9 months here, but at yale and that was the us. and they said it was in the middle of the welcome match across that bull horns were all things are considered on peter roosevelt's reminder,

were discussing the events of the trump zalinski summit in washington. all right, george and i have to agree with mark, i looked at it 1st at 1st blush cuz we were all messaging each other, do we? i mean, and i, you know, i usually have something better to do on friday night. but i think the zelinski, he, he, he, he read the writing on the wall and was gonna throw caution to the wind because, you know, you know how to address that room. and he decided he went for broke, he went for broke and just like, i'm not going to get anything i want here. so why don't i just mix it up with a and here's a man that believes, apparently in powerful people, he believed that boris johnson, that'd be the west was behind him. ok. i mean, it's the has to, in his mind justify the absolute destruction and bloodshed in this country. so he's going to go to the next bidder, which is it, and 2nd, class bidder, and best. and they're called the europeans ear. take george, go ahead. oh i,

i think that's right a bit. what does it mean use this of a 3 is he is being used to grovel in a sick of fantasy and flatter. remember when he came to washington and you'll have this lavish do prepared for him. he address a congress, they were on file, the ukrainian flag, even before the meeting, you know, the metal, the little, these are the democratic ball. if there's a republican ball that there's a whole sort of this. so there was supporting him all this, a clue which are and, and, and latency granular weren't, you know, right down to. and then even when you look at all of those ridiculous tweets that was sent out by pretty much every single you were the and lead the try, the other them get them victor or behind and robot fits. so every single you were been i didn't get summer. well, so the storm a made up word by this open. how getting of them zalinski only and the speed of downing street acted on the street? he liked the coating child's. yes. right, so so,

so you can understand why he thought that he could get away with anything. i mean, and you know, a fraud and i'll throw the kids, you can always easy use. the laskey is like a well, so ever the, he's on the color of old magazine. every hollywood celebrity comes through a see him. but the thing about the meeting, if you watch the whole 50 minutes, is a, he's been a noxious from the beginning, is being obnoxious. address if our guns um not really responding in any way to charles conciliatory um process because controlled the saying well we need to bring this thing to an end. we've got a great deal here. you know, i have, you know, i am an arbitrate that i'm going to try and, you know, bring it or bring it together. and it did not take the bait despite the fact that the, the polls, the ones can want to talk about this. how horrible pigeon was, how horrible the russians were, and how they wanted to kill and destroy and the terrorist. and so a truck would not take the bait and then it was ready,

right at the very end was the, it was already winding down. it was this total is john of this, i'm not sure who he was, was this so this and i'm really stupid question. and then the other day, well, trump said was as well and you know, what's the point of my saying, you know, you know how horrible page it is and then i get on the phone as a volume and how's it going? and, and again, j. d, of as simply said, you know what, what a golf though does, which is to a far more trump of just said, but to give her a little more eloquent play. and they said, well, that's what the narrative science with science with diplomacy and both. so that i can sometimes get just simply turned on him, just least the sales guy that system. if that's the point, i mean that's the most. i mean, i think both of you would agree with me that, that trump's learning curve on this issue has been quite incredible over the last few weeks. i mean, he actually does have a, a grasp of what's it play here. and, and, and he said very clearly mark, you know, he's

a mediator seat. that was the line that he crossed for, for all of these people that are in it as a wednesday mania ukraine mania and nato mania. i'm in the middle of this, i'm trying to ended. that was something that he could not, he could a click and consider for a nano 2nd, because then it was then what's it all been about? okay. and, and, and, and, and the europeans are in the same situation then, what's it all about? mark food for me, the europeans, i mean, this american, the american security guaranteed to europe is always been a bonanza for them because they really never had to take a stand. they would just follow america. this is something very interesting. is this just kabuki theater or they go to really actually make a a run for the door and then for themselves? i hardly think that's possible. yeah. so 1st of all, i absolutely agree with george that the zalinski is the ultimate petulant

spoiled child who has it cold, but he's been given such a sense of entitlement. he is the definition of the and from theater blair, the terrible infant, the monster, the divided ministration. and the europeans created and he threw a tantrum when he didn't get what do you want it, he threw it in the oval office in front of the cameras. right. he, he completely lost it. and you know, this is, i believe trump is ready to walk away, not just the minerals deal, but some ukraine, it in total. and the europeans have indicated that, that they believe they're going to, to pick up, you know, where often they're depicting themselves. they are lining up with the lensky against the u. s. president. right now. forget you. ok. and let's talk

about the transatlantic relationship and where that is going to go, because we're only a month in the not even, you know, 4 weeks into the trump presidency. and, and we're, we're already going, uh there know, the europeans do not have the military or financial capacity to continue this war. certainly not ad has, it has been continue, right. they may be, can carry on for another 6 months, 8, bon, something like that. but i mean, russia's pace on the battlefield continually increases and i, i believe they're going to go for broke. now, i expect to see of the increased speed for big offensive now, because they, they sense blood in the water and with no peace. you know, deal seemingly possible at the moment. then they can go for broke and go for a total capitulation i, i think that's certainly what they're considering in the criminal. you know,

a george so much has been talked about how trump the questions and challenges the transatlantic relationship. but given what, where's it's on folding right now? it's the europeans that we make and they won't allow it to evolve. it won't allow it to change and their, their, their biggest detriments to it. to mean jump, doesn't like nato, he helped me to basically holds the europeans and contempt. um, and, you know, and, and as much as high, we'd like to see the us leave nato and nato dissolve. i don't really think that's in the cards right now, but the europeans are actually pushing it along for him. george. so i, i think that's right. and that's a big issue to say, i mean, the trunk of annoyance was made. so i think nicholas summarize it, but he doesn't think that your bands a coughing up enough money. i'm any other and he's right. this thing basic, you know, particularly of rush is such a threat. it was the threat. why don't you pay exactly that by that's exact point

you makes, you know, you know, the one was gone. so the worry about the how, what a big threat rushes, it's not to us that he says we have a big, beautiful oceans as a big, beautiful ocean separating us. so it's all the threat to us. but if using russia use such as by the, the 1st he says, why resigning these gases deals on them? why don't you pay more for your defense? because i have low intention of doing that. that goes like your b as in joy. this comfortable lives that i don't, i've enjoyed it for many decades. and they go to, you know, that the not americans, i going to pick up the slack for the military. so this blush, the, the tool came out. oh, you look kind of call us. now, you know where, you know, with the free, well, you're a, there's not going to be the leader of the model, the blue or a christmas lunatic, a civil country, there's a ludicrous level lead to bits. it's nonsense. and like i'm in europe as a small other ones in building my car. i know that it goes, it's nonsense, any kind of happened. i mean, even on the issue when they talk like, well, we're gonna have a nuclear weapons that go to the french and the british,

taken off a nuclear guarantee, whether in the 1st place, the british don't have an independent the general dislike. it's entirely dependent on the americans. they can't use it without the say, so it'll be rank of and the french have the doctor and you get a doctor that can only use it for the the defense of funds that cannot use it for any of the law. for any other purpose, and this is when my calling even suggests that this, that, you know, this would cost outraging funds because they said though that is not for the purpose of differentiating that, that, that. so what's gonna happen in london today is going to be, give a lot of last a little talk, but ultimately, if they want this ukraine tape or to continue. and i assume that from the both of noises they've been making, they want this to go on. they're gonna tell us the landscape. you have to, you know, a tumble by go or in your hands, at least a trump and say, i'm very, very sorry. i shouldn't have lost my temper. i shouldn't be much more restored. i don't think it's i don't think it's gonna cut. i don't think it's the kind of bill that i get. i but i think mark, i think part of the do, you know, trump was taking

a victory lap and let's say to me they did it for me. j d. did you say that they did it for me? no, i've now i don't have to make any excuses anymore. yeah. yeah. i think if they don't believe they ambush zalinski, but they were quick to jump on the opportunity now. now they can blame everything on him. i think zelinski is political days are over. maybe he asked the question, his life at this moment, the knives they're going to come out and keep the shield of us protection is gone. poor shingo, and so lose me. bo dot off. maybe others are going to be moving against them. right . so the, the question is, is what was going to emerge now as the leader of the porch regime in ukraine. and that could send the whole thing either into a new naturalist fervor to fight to the end and some kind of dr. damaged wrong. or it could see the collapse of the entire thing. i think. now the important thing is what happens not so much in washington or brussels,

but what happens in care of the george gun maybe the last minute. go ahead. well, and i guess that's a very good question. what happens again my, my reading is that they probably will try to make a bands because the consequences of america cutting off the ukraine would be the very, very dia for ukraine or suddenly it cannot survive. and the consequences of removing the landscape. then you have a possible the question of who you're going to replace. and when you can't just simply thank your mouth and put in the allusion, the, i mean this low cost additional mechanism board, the board that have the, you know, they mostly. so all the, the, you create itself could just collapse if they tried to remove the, and this is, this was like what happened is the country becomes, you know, a completely own subsidiary of washington and brussels. okay. they don't usually think about plan be very much because plan a was

a bad idea in the 1st place. anyway gentlemen, we're going to reconvene next week. we'll see if anybody's singing come by uh, next sunday or frank gentlemen. i want to thank my g as in budapest and here in mosque. and of course when i think our viewers for watching us here are dc and next time remember prospect rolls, the the,

the coalition of the war and the u. k. um, from h a falls, sites plans to put boots on the ground, the new crane wanted me to a concert with without the us, which isn't exactly rushing to get from i've asked every foreign minister i meet with. tell me your idea of how this turns out most don't have a plan. a few have said, well, let's give them another you are fighting a year from now a year later after another year of death, another year of destruction. cus, presidents, national security advisor apparently suggest 50 tons of the lens key to step aside and let someone else make piece of ukrainian need is diplomatic. there's also a big trip to washington. so him take power of the white house.