further, i think that sooner or later on our planet, we will realize that after all, military conflicts sent us back. and i hope and dream that the conflicts on our planet will stop. and the funds that we are putting into the military will be used for peaceful space exploration. and then there will be great progress to meet the basically i can say that the meeting with rick has chum covers such a long period to them. because in 1984, when he flew into space, i was 13 years old and i was studying at school in by canoe when he was brought them and the tradition back then was old. the local children were lined up along the roads and given flags. and then for the 1st time in my life, i had an indian flag in my hand and i stood and waved off. the rock has sharma and caused him a note melisha in 2014. they one might say at that time they flew for a short time, it was less than 10 days, about 7 days. but thanks to his flight and those flights that took place. then i

believe that rock has sharma is one of those people in our world. our planet, who allowed us to conduct the same experiments. now, it is clear that he had a short flight. he did not do as many experiments as i have done in space now, but thanks to him, we can now constantly be in space or do a lot of experiments by which that people from india can fly into space as soon as possible and that we could work together that jim, you know, cuz i'm not those calls middle, it's from india to a now preparing for the flight have received very good training and russian. we have observed them and we believe that they are some of the best people on our planet. the selection process conducted by the indian side and the russian side requires respect because they actually selected the best representatives of india. i hope that i will meet them, that he is my flight. if everything goes well in

a year, and if i made any of them in a year, i'll be very, very happy. i'm a go to liz. but some of the woodson was it was with great pleasure and delight that we watched the indian mission and everyone clapped their hands and hugged cosmonaut training center. when this happened, we express only respect and admiration for the engineers from the indian side. i hope that the next flights and subsequent steps to explore the moon will also be successful. moreover, we know how important the moon is, but india are coming up next stage to pay to level across the team and make sure you're doing my colleague rachel ruble for more news at the top of the recently with perfect the

welcome across talk bullhorn is we're all things are considered. i'm peter a little ukraine. slower president. zelinski went to washington design a deal. instead, he laid an egg and that's putting it mildly is the damage. repairable. is peace still on the agenda? to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess, george samuel in budapest. he's a pod cast with the goggle, which we found on youtube in locals. and here in moscow, we crossed to mark's level that he's an international relations and security analyst, or a gentleman cross type rules, and the fact that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate it . all right, let's take it off with mark and moscow. here we're going to talk about the if the actrix i'm going to talk about if there was an, an bush, we're going to talk a lot of things about is unprecedented. event that we saw with, uh, zalinski is visit to the white house on friday. but i want to ask both of you the most important question and the most serious one is have efforts to end the

conflict in ukraine, been enhanced mark or the been diminished as a result of what we that's the address that we saw mark. yeah, i mean with this is a frank. yes, that has show the world i. i don't believe that it has either increased or decreased the chance. i think what we had going in. there's a different dynamic certainly, but everything we've heard from the europeans and the average team is uh there. you know, they're going to continue to fight, even if the us walks away more in to georgia. the last time i talked to you, we were concerned that the initiative, the trump was so fond of, of ending the conflict in ukraine during the campaign. after is a non duration up until this meeting. there was, you know, be, you know, yeah, there's no denying the united states and russia are talking to each other. that's good news. i mean, i,

i think we all would agree with that. but it had very little to do with ukraine. and that's really at the core of the, of the issue here. so george, the same question to you enhance, diminished. i think it's too early to say to the problem of goes with a trial visit. he's really talking about 2 different things and suggesting that he's talking about the same thing. so he's talking about this manual is the low, basically an extraction deal, but by which essentially, the ukraine, the dental country of science itself over to the united states as the credits. and then, as the credit to it will have a vested interest in ukraine, prospering and paying off its debts. trump sees that as a way of providing security because a credit, but it has a vested interest in the security of the debt. they doesn't want anything to happen to the data that goes and it doesn't get as low as repaid. so that's how the drum

sees it. but then he switches over and starts talking about his, the best deal with russia to end the war. and so it's very confusing when he's talking about, you know, which is he talking about the deal with, with russia and that we, we haven't seen any trace of this all this particular extraction deal. so, um, you know, that's my question when, when, when we figure out where, where everything is going then, and then we'll be able to answer your question. you know, go ahead match up and, yeah, i would, the, this extraction deals move. it's that instead in the water, i think it was always a red hair. right. right. i agree. oh, but if you take a look at the types of this deal, it was not a decade on their academic deal as a vague statement of intent that serv political purposes on both sides, but both in terms of minerals to extract and potential profits and the reality of

the legality of the document. it was never real. it, it served political purposes. um, as for um, you know, uh, the idea of, uh, ending the conflict. the peace settlement. well, is one side the coverage impact by europe has absolutely no intention of diplomacy or peace negotiations. as zelinski made perfectly clear, arguing loudly back at the us, vice president and the president and swearing at them in the fall of terms under his breath in russian. and then, you know, what can be done, the best that trump can do at this point is walk away. and that is what, supposedly you know, what the, you know, the, the rumor mill in dc is that he's talking about doing. but i think we need to separate 2 things. now, the normalization of the process of restoring diplomatic ties and the normalization

of relations between the us and russia as a bilateral issue from negotiations to end the conflict in ukraine. which will look less likely than ever at this point because they are not the same thing. there's a certain amount of overlap, but increasingly they're whitening the gulf. you don't need georgina, you know, talk a great deal about the so called minerals deal. i obviously it cut that document or memorandum of understanding wherever you want to call it. and mark is absolutely right, and you and i have looked at and it's, it's amazingly vague. okay. but i think that this was a way for trump to get some kind of wind out of it because he is obviously not interested in this conflict. he obviously sees this is biden's, which i think he's, he's absolutely right about that. um, it was a way for him to show his base money that i've saved the money. i'm making money, his base. he thinks that's what's going to attract them. but it's a, it's not going to solve it, particularly since the so called minerals are mostly in the hands of the russians

right now, which uh, the western media housing pointed out. so obviously, and there was a whole lot more in play gentlemen. then george a much to my lee a come through russia gate right, and sewage escape and then me. and that is in the back of his mind. you know, i went through all of this nonsense, this hoax and you were at the center of if you didn't say that. exactly. but that's certainly what he implied george. but he did say that the that, and i was very pointed. but i think the, the board about the, the extraction agreement. i mean, the, it's, it's all encompassing. it's a, it's a, it's minerals. it's maria, us, it's boil gas hydrocarbons pull. it's going for a structure. i mean there everything, it'll, whatever moves in ukraine, the light to say it's once a percentage of charles things of this is a, a good deal and see kind of whenever he's that he was off. he's aust,

repeatedly this question. the security guard is what are your security guards when he was a kid again? so he has these 2 wants us to that is as says that, well, we're going to have people on the ground and you know that we're americans, you know, we don't know what, what does he mean by people in the ground, you know, contract, those military people security, you know what it, what are we gonna have people on the ground and therefore no one is going to mess with us. so i have one on so many other onset is whether, you know, when know when the review. so what's the point that was given me repeatedly about the so what about this security guarantees? you know, we've got to get the deal 1st wants to go to deal, then we can talk about security guarantees. so it's, he has these 2 ounces, but, but you know, when he was honest, um, several times are you going to consume you supplying um support? you crazy said these. i said this now several times. you said yes, i'm going to continue on. but i hope i don't have to provide too much because i hope we will have peace. so he leaves everything up in the now i actually think

charles has is now invested in this agreement. i think he, you know, at the, if you were the ends, amazon landscape is humble pie and go to trial. ben say, you know, we'd meet them. i think so. man. scattered out of the too much stress. he's english isn't very good. uh you know that, but he really, really likes you and he really, really wants to work with you. trump trumps of you know, he's a very forgiving person. the value of the he doesn't hold grudges and i, i think it came on by. i think that is why here's the rice for deal is agreement. i, i interesting that they will sign something. now whether there's anything to worry them, whether is any money to be made, that's a different issue, but i think they will sign something at some point. i, i think this, it's a fools error and i think it's a cover. like i said, it's the, give him a when i got the idea of the, the amount of time and resources they go into a project. them the, it's a, it's, it's, it's huge. okay. and i think that new trump is looking for

a short term when and he lost that at least at this point. marcy, we're disagreeing. go ahead. yeah, i mean just the description of trump is a forgiving person. i think he is. what of i beg to disagree? i think he's one of the most been skin narcissistic and vindictive human beings on earth and zelinski and the european leaders who are right now, meeting in paris at a summit, who's got a, a conference title is officially the e jo versus trump and pull. right. the european leaders and zelinski are gathered at had do best to remember that he is the king of elephants, and an elephant never forgives, though i'd never forget and it never forgives either. i. i caps of it, this a dread george. go ahead. i think the interest you disagree more about the locker room b o is the secretary of state delivered over the terrible things that he and rubio said about each other. lindsey graham is one of his closest age um to

a storm, a sense people to who can pay in the get to watch uh commer harrison's campaign. and yet they are they all warm and fuzzy. trunk is a very pragmatic for us and he doesn't fold group projects once, once a, something is over, then the digits over and you know, the campaigns. okay. yeah, yeah. i think that's a good point, george. but you know, this is something that trump is a and get held very close to his heart. and so lensky is in the way. and i already mentioned, gentleman russell gave here, and i don't think comes very forgiving about that and that be i correct. yep. okay, mark e and what was this a setup? i mean who i always to. yeah, no, i'm i that was my 1st take when i watched the 10 minute clip that i think most of the news concerned people on or as i've seen, or at least seen part of that was my 1st reaction, right?

that this appeared to be a trump vans tag team right there. but if you watch the entire 5060 minute segment, right, of the entire meeting, the 40 minutes before and trump, this was all done in front of the press. i will. and he even said, we'll take one more question, right. and then they were going to go off to lunch and sign this deal and everything. this was the landscape. this was zelinski who took it. he's been sitting there seizing and rolling his eyes and laughing, exasperated size and looking. i don't know, painted withdrawal symptoms, whatever you want to call it. oh, but i saw, i saw it would draw a gentleman i saw with the jump in. right and said, started talking, we want diplomacy and zelinski lost it and then he caught him still back down,

but he kept going and it was made clear to him beforehand, right before he came here, that this was a meeting that trump didn't want that a cron pushed him on that zalinski didn't have to come here to sign this deal, but he wanted it. but that there wouldn't be really no re negotiating of the terms of this minerals deal. right. that, that, uh, there would be no such ups listed. security guarantees in it and that the trumps course was diplomacy uh to come to a negotiated settlement of the conflict and, and he, he opened it up and as ged, very upset, he started the lift gate to argue the whole thing in front of the american people trying to talk over the president of the united states in the oval. busy office he referred to j d events as j. d rats. right? he called them j. d r. a gentleman. i have to jump in here. we're going to go to a hard break and have that hard break. we'll continue our discussion on what

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i'm peter without your mind you were discussing the events of the trump zalinski summit in washington. all right, george and i have to agree with mark, i looked at it 1st at 1st blush because we were all messaging each other. we, i mean, and i, you know, i usually have something better to do on friday night. and i think the zelinski, he, he, he, he read the writing on the wall and was gonna throw caution to the wind because, you know, you know how to address that room. and he decided he went for broke, he went for broke and just like, i'm not going to get anything i want here. so why don't i just mix it up with a and here's a man that believes, apparently in powerful people, he believed that boris johnson that'd be the west was behind him. ok, i mean, he has to, in his mind justify the absolute destruction and bloodshed in this country. so he's good to go to the next bidder, which is in the 2nd class,

better at best. and they're called the europeans ear. take george, go ahead. oh i, i think that's right, but what does it mean use this of a 3 is he is being used to grovel in a sick of fantasy and flatter. remember when he came to washington? um and you'll have this lavish uh do prepared for him. he address a congress, they were on file, the ukrainian flag, even before the meeting. you know, the metal, the little, these are the democratic ball. if there's a republican politician, they're all fairly so they were supporting him old as a me, quote which are and, and, and latency granular weren't, you know, right down to and then even when you look at all of those ridiculous tweets that was sent out by pretty much every single you were the lead to try the other them get them victor or behind and robot fits. so every single europe in i didn't get summer. well, so those so i'm a made up word by this open hogging of them. the zalinski only, and the speed of downing street actually on the street. he liked the coating

child's. yes. right. so, so, so you can understand why he thought that he could get away with anything. i mean, and you know, for all 4 of the kids, you can always easy use the labs easily to well celebrity these on the color of old magazine. every hollywood celebrity comes through a see him. but the single by the meeting, if you watch the whole 50 minutes is a, he's been a nauseous from the beginning is being a novice, just aggressive our guns. um, not really responding in any way to trump's conciliatory um process because controlled the saying well we need to bring this thing to an end. we've got a great deal here. you know, i have, you know, i am an arbitrate that i'm going to try and, you know, bring it or bring it together. and the trunk did not take the bait, despite the fact that the poles that lends can wanted to those of us how horrible pigeon was, how horrible the russians were and how they wanted to kill and destroy and the terrorist. and so trump would not take the bait and that it was ready, right,

of the very end was the, it was already winding down. it was this total is john of this, i'm not sure who he was. gloss this, so this really stupid question. and then the other day, little trump said, was that well and you know, what's the point of my saying, you know, you know how horrible pension is, and then i get on the phone is a binding the house, the going and, and getting ready. vance simply said, you know what, what the golf though does, which is to a far more trump of just said, but to give her a little more eloquent play. and they said, well, that's what america stands with science with diplomacy. and bone is that i could, somebody could just simply turned on him, just least the sales guy that system is. that's the point. i mean, that's the most. i mean, i think both of you would agree with me that the trump's learning curve on this issue has been quite incredible over the last few weeks. i mean, he actually does have a, a grasp of what's it play here. and he said, very clearly,

mark, you know, he's a mediator. see that was the line that he crossed for, for all of these people that are in it. a zalinski mania, ukraine mania, and nato mania. i'm in the middle of this, i'm trying to ended. that was something that he could not, he could a couldn't consider for a nano 2nd, because then it was then what's it all been about? okay. and, and, and, and, and the europeans are in the same situation then, what's it all about? mark food for me, the europeans, i mean, this american, the american security guaranteed to europe is always been a bonanza for them because they really never had to take a stand. they would just follow america. this is something very interesting. is this just kabuki theater or they go to really actually make a, a run for the door and then for themselves? i hardly think that's possible. yeah, so i, 1st of all, i absolutely agree with george that the zalinski is the ultimate petulant

spoiled child who has it cold. he's been given such a sense of entitlement. he is the definition of the inform theater, blair, that the terrible infant, the monster that divided ministration and the europeans created. and he threw a tantrum when he didn't get what do you want it, he threw it in the oval office in front of the cameras. right. he, he completely lost it. and you know, this is, i believe trump is ready to walk away, not just from the minerals deal, but from ukraine. it in total. and the europeans have indicated that, that they believe they're going to, to pick up, you know, where often they're depicting themselves. they are lining up a miss zalinski against the u. s. president, right now. forget you. ok,

let's talk about the transatlantic relationship and where that is going to go, because we're only a month in the not even, you know, 4 weeks into the trump presidency. and, and we're, we're already going there. know the europeans do not have the military or financial capacity to continue this more. certainly not ad has it has been continue, right. they may be, can carry on for another 6 months, 8, bon, something like that. but i mean, russia's case on the battlefield continually increases and, and i, i believe they're going to go for broke. now, i expect to see all the increased speed for big offensive now, because they, they sent the blood in the water and with no piece, you know, deal seemingly possible at the moment. then they can go for broke and go for a total capitulation i, i think that's certainly what they're considering in the criminal. you know,

a george so much has been talked about how trump, uh, the questions and challenges the transatlantic relationship. but given what, where's it's unfolding right now, it's the europeans that will, they won't allow it to evolve. it won't allow it to change and their, their, their biggest detriments to it. to mean jump doesn't like nato, he basically holds the europeans and contempt. and uh, you know, and, and as much as high, we'd like to see the us leave nato and nato dissolve. i don't really think that's in the cards right now, but the europeans are actually pushing it along for him. george. so yeah, i think that's right. and that's a big issue. same thing, i mean, the trumps annoying this was made. so i think it goes summarize it, but he doesn't think that your bands a coughing up enough money. i'm any other and he's right. this thing basic, you know, particularly of russia, is such a threat. it was the threat. why don't you pay exactly that by that's exact point

you makes and the other one was gone. so the worrying about the how, what a big threat rushes, it's not to us, it says we have a big, beautiful oceans as a big, beautiful ocean separating us. so it's of a threat to us. but if using russia use such as my the, the 1st he says, why do you signing these gas bills on them? why don't you pay more for your defense? because i have no intention of doing that. that goes like your b as in joy, this comfortable lifestyle. and i've enjoyed it for many decades, and they can, you know, that the not americans are going to pick up the slack for the military. so this plus the, that they don't came out. oh, you would kind of call us now, you know, we're, you know, with the free, well, you're a, there's not going to be the leader of the model of the do lose a christmas, ludicrous, simple country that the ludicrous level lead to bits. it's nonsense. and like i'm in europe as a small other ones in building my car. i know that it goes it's nonsense and it cannot happen. i mean, even on the issue when they talk like, well, we're going to look over the nuclear weapons that go to the french and the british

setting off a nuclear guarantee within the 1st with the british don't have an independent the general dislike. it's entirely dependent on the americans. they can't use it without the slice of the right of and the french have the doctor and you get a doctor and they can only use it for the the defense of funds that cannot use it for any of the law. for any other purpose, and then, and this is when my crony even suggests that this, you know, this was a cost outraging funds because they said though that is not for the purpose of the friendship, but that, that, so what's gonna happen in london today is going to be give a lot of lost a lot of talk, but ultimately if they want this ukraine tape or to continue. and i'm assuming that from the noises that they're making, they want this to go on. they don't, it tells the landscape you have to, you know, a tumble by go or in your hands, at least a trump and say that i'm very, very sorry. i shouldn't have lost my time, but i shouldn't be much more of a, sorry. i don't think it's i don't think it's gonna cut. i don't think it's the kind

of okay. i think, i think i think mark, i think part of the do, you know, trump was taking a victory lap and let's say they did it for me. j. d, did you say that they did it for me? no, i now i don't have to make any excuses anymore. yeah. yeah. i think if they don't believe the ambush zalinski but they were quick to jump on the opportunity now. now they can blame everything on him. i think zelinski is political days, are over. maybe he asked the question his life at this moment. the knives are going to come out and keep the shield of us. protection is gone. poor shingo, and so lose me. bo dot off, maybe others are going to be moving against them. right? so the, the question is, is what was going to emerge now as the leader of the porch regime in ukraine. and that could send the whole thing either into a new naturalist fervor to fight to the end and some kind of dr. damaged wrong. or it could see the collapse of the entire thing. i think. now the important thing is

what happens not so much in washington or brussels, but what happens in care of the george gun maybe the last minute. go ahead. well, and i guess that's a very good question. what happens again my, my reading is that they probably will try to make bands because the consequences of america cutting off the ukraine would be the very, very dia for ukraine, or suddenly it cannot survive. and the consequences of removing the landscape. then you have a festival, the question of who you're going to replace and when you call and just simply take him out and put in the allusion they, i mean there's low cost additional mechanism board. the board that holds the, you know, they'd, let's say, so all the, the ukraine itself could just collapse if they tried to remove the, and this is what this was like. what happened is the country becomes, you know, a completely owned subsidiary of washington and brussels. okay. they don't usually think about plan be very much because plan a was

a bad idea in the 1st place. anyway, gentlemen, we're going to reconvene next week. we'll see if anybody's singing come by uh, next sunday. afraid, gentlemen, i want to thank my guest in budapest and here in moscow. and of course, when i think our viewers for watching us here are d. c. next time, remember, prospect rules the,

the, the coalition of the warring as the u. k. and france pitched a far fetched plan to put boots on the ground, the new crane while admitting they can't do it without the us, which isn't exactly rushing to get on board. i've asked every foreign minister i meet with tell me your idea of how this turns out. most don't have a plan. a few have said, well, let's give them another you are fighting a year from now a year later, after another year of death, another year of destruction. the us presidents, national security advisor apparently suggests it's time for zalinski to step aside and let someone else make peace after the ukranian leaders, diplomatic disaster of a trip to washington that saw him take the out of the white house.