a piece it said that what is the ground level? the welcome to cross dog bullhorn is where all things are considered. and peter a little ukraine slower president zelinski went to washington, designed a deal. instead, he laid an egg and that's putting it mildly, is the damage. repairable, is peace still on the agenda. to discuss these issues and more, i'm joined by my guess george, send me while we in budapest is a pod cast where the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals. and here in moscow, we crossed to mark's level that he's an international relations and security analyst, or a gentleman cross type rules, and the fact that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate it . all right, let's take it off with mark in moscow. here we're going to talk about the if the

actrix i'm going to talk about if there was an, an bush, we're going to talk a lot of things about this unprecedented event that we saw with uh, zalinski is visit to the white house on friday. but i want to ask both of you the most important question and the most serious one is have efforts to end the conflict in ukraine been enhanced mark or the been diminished as a result of what was left the actrix that we saw mark. yeah. do i mean with this is a frack? yes, that has shot the world. i. i don't believe that it has either increased or decreased the chance. i think what we had going in. there's a different dynamic certainly, but everything we've heard from the europeans and the key. every game is there, you know, they're going to continue to fight. even if the us walks away. mark lane, georgia, the last time i talked to you, we were concerned that the initiative that trump was so fond of,

of ending the conflict in ukraine during the campaign after his and all your ration up until this meeting. there was, you know, beat, you know, hurt and there's no denying the united states and russia are talking to each other . that's good news. i mean, i, i think we all would agree with that. but it had very little to do with ukraine, and that's really at the core of, of the issue here. so george, the same question to you enhance, diminished, and i think it's too early to say to the problem, of course, with the trauma visit. he's really talking about 2 different things and suggesting that he's talking about the same thing. so he's talking about this manual is the low, basically an extraction deal, but by which essentially, the ukraine, the dental country of science itself over to the united states as the credits. and then, as the credit to it will have a vested interest in ukraine,

prospering and paying off its debt. crowd sees that as a way of providing security because a credit that has a vested interest in the security of the death, he doesn't want anything to happen to the data that goes and he doesn't get his loans rebate. so that's how the drum sees it. but then he switches over and starts talking about his, the best deal with the roster to end the war. and so it's very confusing when he's talking about, you know, which is he talking about the deal with, with russia and that we, we haven't seen any trace of this all this particular extraction deal. so, um, you know, that's my question when, when, when we figure out where, where everything is going then, and then we'll be able to answer your question and, you know, go ahead match up and, yeah, i would, the, this extraction deals meal instead, instead in the water i think it was always a red hair. right. right. i agree. oh, but if you take a look at the text of this deal, it was not a decade on economic deal as

a vague statement of intent that serv political purposes on both sides. but both in terms of minerals to extract and potential profits and the reality of the legality of the document. it was never real. it, it serv political purposes? um, as for um, you know, uh the idea of, uh, ending the conflict. the peace settlement. well, is one side the coverage impact by europe has absolutely no intention of diplomacy or peace negotiations as zalinski made perfectly clear, arguing loudly back at the us, vice president and the president and swearing at them in the fall of terms under his breath in raj. and then you know, what can be done, the best of the trump can do at this point is walk away. and that is what, supposedly you know what the, you know, the, the rumor mill in

d. c is that he's talking about doing, but i think we need to separate 2 things. now, the normalization of the process of restoring diplomatic ties and the normalization of relations between the us and russia as a bilateral issue from negotiations to end the conflict in ukraine. which will look less likely than ever at this point because they are not the same thing. there's a certain amount of overlap, but increasingly their whitening the gulf. you know, need georgina, you know, talk a great deal about the so called minerals deal. i obviously it cut that the document or memorandum of understanding whoever you want to call it. and mark is absolutely right and you and i have looked at and it's, it's amazingly vague. okay. but i think that this was a way for trump to get some kind of wind out of it because he is obviously not interested in this conflict. he obviously sees this is biden's, which i think he's absolutely right about that. um, it was

a way for him to show his base money that i've saved the money. i'm making money, his base, he thinks that's what's going to attract them. but it's a, it's not going to solve it, particularly since the so called minerals are mostly in the hands of the russians right now, which uh, the western media housing pointed out, because obviously, and there was a whole lot more in play gentlemen. then george a much to my lee a come through russia gate right, and sewage escape and then me. and that is on the back of his mind. you know, i went through all of this nonsense, this hoax and you were at the center of if you didn't say that. exactly. but that's certainly what he implied, george. he did say that the that, and i was very pointed. but i think the, the, the, the extraction agreement, i mean, the, it's, it's all encompassing. it's a, it's a, it's minerals. it's maria, it's, it's boil gas. hydrocarbons poured scheme for

a structure. i mean there everything, it'll, whatever moves in ukraine, the light to say it's once a percentage of charles things of this is a, a good deal and see kind of whenever he's that he was off. he's aust, repeatedly this question of the security guard is one of those security guys when he was a kid again. so he has, these 2 wants us to that, just as says that, well, we're going to have people on the ground and you know that we're americans, you know, we don't know what, what does he mean by people on the ground, you know, contractors, military people, security you know what it, what are we gonna have people on the ground, and therefore no one is going to mess with us. so that's one ons. and then the other onset is, well i, you know, we know when the review. so what's the point of asking me repeatedly about the so what about this security guarantees? you know, we've got to get the deal 1st wants to go to a deal, then we can talk about security guarantees. so it has these 2 ounces, but, but you know, when he was honest, um several times are you going to continue supplying um, support?

you crazy said these assessments now several times you said yes, i'm going to continue on, but i hope i don't have to provide too much because i hope we will have peace. so he leaves everything up in the now i actually think trump has these now invested in this agreement. i think he, you know, at the, if you were the ends, amazon landscape is humble pie. i'd go to trial and say, you know we'd be the best thing, so man scattered up under too much stress. he's english isn't very good. uh you know that, but he really, really likes you and he really, really wants to work with you. troll trumps of the, you know, he's a very forgiving person, the value of the he doesn't hold grudges and i, i think it came on by. i think that is why here's what i see is agreement. i, i interesting that they will sign something. now whether there's anything, joe or them with those, any money to be made, that's a different issue, but i think they will sign something at some point. i, i think this, it's a fools error and i think it's a cover. like i said, it's the give him a when,

i mean the idea of the, the amount of time and resources they go into a project, them the, it's a, it's, it's, it's huge. okay. and i think that knew what trump is looking for a short term when and he lost that at least at this point. mark, you were disagreeing. go ahead. yeah, i mean, just the description of trump is a forgiving person. i think he is. what of i beg to disagree? i think he's one of the most been skin narcissistic and vindictive human beings on earth and zelinski and the european leaders who are right now, meeting in paris at a summit, who's got a, a conference title is officially the e jo versus trump and pull right. the european leaders and zelinski are gathered at had do best to remember that he is the king of elephants, and an elephant never forgives, though i never forget the never forgive either. i. i kept this

a dread george. go ahead. i think the interest you disagree more about the locker room b. o is the secretary of state diluted all over the terrible things that he and rubio said about each other. lindsey graham is one of his closest age um to a storm, a st. people to, to time paying, they get to watch commer harrison's campaign and yet they are, they all warm and fuzzy. trunk is a very pragmatic for us and he doesn't fold group projects. once the, once a, something is volva, then the digits over and, you know, the campaigns. okay? yeah, yeah, i think that's a good point, george. but you know, this is something that trump is a and get held very close to his heart in this. a lensky is in the way. and i already mentioned gentleman russell gave here, and i don't think trump's very forgiving about that. have that be? i correct. yep. okay, there is mark e and what was the setup? i mean i who i always to. yeah,

no i'm i that was my 1st take when i watched the 10 minute clip that i think most of the news concerned people on earth i've seen or at least seen part of that was my 1st reaction. right? that this appeared to be a trump vance. tag team, right? the but if you watch the entire 56, the minute segment, right? of the entire meeting, the 40 minutes before, and trump, this was all done in front of the press. i will, he even said, we'll take one more question. right. and then they were going to go off to lunch and sign this deal and everything. this was the landscape. this was zelinski who took, oh, he's been sitting there seizing and rolling his eyes and lifting, exasperated, size and looking. i don't know, paid withdrawal symptoms, whatever you want to call it. oh, but i saw i saw it would draw

a gentleman i saw i would do for the jump in. right and said, started talking, we want diplomacy and zelinski lost it and then he caught him still back down, but he kept going and it was made clear to him beforehand, right before he came here, that this was a meeting that trump didn't want that a cron pushed him on that zalinski didn't have to come here to sign this deal, but he wanted it. but that there wouldn't be really no re negotiating of the terms of this minerals deal. right. that, that there would be no such ups unless it security guarantees in it. and that the trump's course was diplomacy to come to a negotiated settlement of the conflict and, and he, he opened it up and as j. d vibe said he started the lift gate to argue the whole thing in front of the american people trying to talk over the president of the

united states in the oval office. he referred to j d events as j. d rats, right? he called them j. d r a gentleman, i have to jump in here. we're going to go to a hard break and i have to add hard break. we'll continue our discussion on what happened last friday. stay with our to the the russian

states. never as tight as i'm sort of the most sense community most all sense of the, in the 6595 and speed, the one else calls question about this, even though that we will ben in the european union, the kremlin media mission, the state on russia to day and split the ortiz full neck, even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube, the payment services. stephen twist, which is the

welcome match across the bull horns, were all things are considered. non peter roosevelt's reminder were discussing. the events of the trump zalinski summit in washington. all right, george. and i have to agree with mark, i looked at adverse at 1st blush cuz we were all messaging each other, do we? i mean, and i, you know, i usually have something better to do on friday night, but i think the zalinski, he, he, he, he read the writing on the wall and was gonna throw caution to the wind. because you know, you know how to address that room and he decided he'd win for broke. he went for broke and just like, i'm not going to get anything i want here. so why don't i just mix it up with a and here's a man that believes, apparently in powerful people, he believed that boris johnson that the, the west was behind him. ok. i mean, it's the has to, in his mind justify the absolute destruction in bloodshed in this country. so he's

going to go to the next bidder, which is the 2nd class, bitter and best. and they're called the europeans ear. take george, go ahead. all right, i think that's right a bit. what does it mean us this of a 3 is he is being used to grovel in a sick of fantasy and flatter. remember when he came to washington and, and have this lavish do prepared for him. the address of the congress, they were on file, the ukrainian flag, even before the meeting, you know, the metal, the, it will, these are the democratic ball. if there's a republican ball it, there's a whole saturday so they will support thing. and will this a clue which are and, and, and lindsey graham, you know, what do you know, right? the end. and then even when you look at all of those ridiculous tweets that was sent out by pretty much every single you were being lead to try the other them get them victor or behind and robot fits. so every single you were been i didn't, i didn't get summer. well, so the storm a made up word by this open. how getting of um the zalinski only. and the speed of

downing street actually on the street. he liked the coating child's. yes. right, so, so, so you can understand why he thought that he could get away with anything. i mean, and, you know, a fraud and i'll throw the kids. you can always easy is the lensky is like a well, so ever the, he's on the color of old magazine. every hollywood celebrity comes through a see him. but the single by the meeting, if you watch the whole 50 minutes business, he's being a nauseous from the beginning is being obnoxious. address. if our guns um no really responding in any way to trans conciliatory um process because controlled the saying well we need to bring this thing to an end. we've got a great deal here. you know, i have, you know, i am an arbitrate that i'm going to try and you know, bring it or bring it together. and it's the trunk did not take the bait, despite the fact that the, the polls, the ones can want to talk about this. how horrible pigeon was, how horrible the russians were,

and how they wanted to kill and destroy and the terrorist. and so trump would not take the bait and that it was ready, right at the very end was the, it was already winding down. it was this total is john of this, i'm not sure who he was. gloss this, listen, but the really stupid question. and then the other day will trump said, was that we're and you know, what's the point of my saying, you know, you know how horrible pension is, and then i get on the phone as a volume, but how's it going? and, and again, j. d, of as simply said, you know what, what he often does, which is to a far more trump of just said, but again, a little more eloquent play. and they said, well, that's what the night of science with science with diplomacy and boom. it was, i could, somebody could just simply turned on him, just least the sales guy that system, if that's the point, i mean that's the most. i mean, i think both of you would agree with me that the trump's learning curve on this issue has been quite incredible over the last few weeks. i mean,

he actually does have a, a grasp of what's it play here. and, and, and he said very clearly mark, you know, he's a mediator seat. that was the line that he crossed for, for all of these people that are in it. a zalinski mania, ukraine mania, and nato mania. i'm in the middle of this, i'm trying to ended. that was something that he could not, he could a click and consider for a nano 2nd, because then it would then what's it all been about? okay. and, and, and, and, and the europeans are in the same situation then, what's it all about? mark food for me, the europeans, i mean, this american, the american security guaranteed to europe is always been a bonanza for them because they really never had to take a stand. they would just follow america. this is something very interesting. is this just kabuki theater or they go to really actually make a, a run for the door and then for themselves? i hardly think that's possible. yeah, so i, 1st of all,

i absolutely agree with george that the zalinski is the ultimate petulant spoiled child. who has it called the, the, he's been given such a sense of entitlement. he is the definition of the and from theater blair, the terrible infant, the monster, the bite administration, and the europeans created. and he threw a tantrum when he didn't get what do you want it, he threw it in the oval office in front of the cameras. right. he, he completely lost it. and you know, this is, i believe trump is ready to walk away, not just from the minerals deal, but from ukraine is in total. and the europeans have indicated that, that they believe they're going to, to pick up, you know, where often they're depicting themselves. they are lining up with the

lensky against the u. s. president. right now. forget you. ok, let's talk about the trends atlanta relationship and where that is going to go. because we're only a month in the not even, you know, 4 weeks into the trump presidency. and, and we're, we're already going there. know the europeans do not have the military or financial capacity to continue this war. certainly not ad has it has been continue, right. they may be, can carry on for another 6 months, 8, bon, something like that. but i mean, russia's pace on the battlefield, continually increases and, and i, i believe they're going to go for broke. now, i expect to see of the increased speed for big offensive now, because they, they sense blood in the water and with no peace. you know, deal seemingly possible at the moment. then they can go for broke and go for

a total capitulation i, i think that's certainly what they're considering in the criminal. you know, a george so much has been talked about how trump the questions and challenges the transatlantic relationship. but given what we are, so it's unfolding right now, it's the europeans that we make and they won't allow it to evolve. it won't allow it to change and their, their, their biggest detriments to it. to mean jump, doesn't like nato, he helped me to basically holds the europeans and contempt. um, and you know, and, and as much as i would like to see the us leave nato and nato dissolve. i don't really think that's in the cards right now. but the europeans are actually pushing it along for him. george. so yeah, i think that's right. and that's of the use of things like, i mean, the trunk of annoyance was made. so i think nicholas summarize it, but he doesn't think that your bands a coughing up enough money. i'm any other and he's right. this thing basic,

you know, particularly of rush is such a threat. it was the threat. why don't you pay exactly that by that's exact point you makes, you know, you know, the one was gone, so they worry about how, what a big threat rushes. it's not to us, but he says we have a big, beautiful oceans as a big, beautiful ocean separating us. so it's all the threat to us. but if using russia use such as my the, the 1st the says, why do you signing these gas videos on them? why don't you pay more for your defense? because i have no intention of doing that. that goes like your b as in joy, this comfortable lives that i don't, i've enjoyed it for many decades. and they go to, you know, that the not americans, i going to pick up the slack for the military. so this bless the that the talking that, oh, you would kind of call us now, you know, where, you know, with the free, well, you're a, there's not going to be the leader of the model of the blue and a christmas ludicrous, simple country that the ludicrous level lead up to bits. it's nonsense. and like i'm in europe as a small other ones in building my time know that because it's nonsense and he

cannot happen. i mean, even on the issue when they talk like well, we're going to a nuclear weapons. they go to the french and the british, taken off a nuclear guarantee within the 1st with the british don't have an independent the general dislike. it's entirely dependent on the americans. they can't use it without the size of the americas and the french have the doctor and you get a doctor that can only use it for the the defense of funds that cannot use it for any of the law for any other purpose. and this is when my crony even suggests that this, that, you know, this would cost outraging funds because they said no, that is not for the purpose of differentiating that, that, that. so what's gonna happen in london today is going to be, give a lot of last a little talk, but ultimately, if they want this ukraine paper to continue. and i assume that from the global noises that they're making, they want this to go on. they're going to tell us the landscape. you have to, you know, a tumble by going on your hands, at least a trump and say that i'm very, very sorry. i shouldn't have lost my temper. i shouldn't be much more restored. i

don't think it's i don't think it's gonna cut. i don't think it's the kind of okay . i think, i think i think mark, i think part of the do, you know, trump was taking a victory lab and obviously to me they did it for me. j d, did you say that they did it for me? no, i've now i don't have to make any excuses anymore. yeah. yeah. i think if they don't believe they ambushed zalinski, but they were quick to jump on the opportunity now. now they can blame everything on him. i think zelinski is political days are over. maybe he asked the question his life at this moment. the knives are going to come out and keep the shield of us . protection is gone. poor shingo and so lose me. boot don off, maybe others are going to be moving against them, right? so the question is, is what was going to emerge now as the leader of the porch regime in ukraine. and that could send the whole thing either into a new naturalist fervor to fight to the end and some kind of dr. damaged wrong. or

it could see the collapse of the entire thing. i think. now the important thing is what happens not so much in washington or brussels, but what happens in care of to george gun maybe the last minute go ahead. well and i guess that's a very good question. what happens it gave, i'm my, my, oh really is that probably will try to make a bands because the consequences of america cutting off the ukraine would be the very, very dia for ukraine was suddenly it cannot survive. and the consequences of removing the landscape is that you have a festival, the question of who you're going to replace. and when you comp, just simply take him out and put in zillow originally. i mean there's low cost additional mechanism board. the board that holds the, you know, the say, so all the, the, you create itself could just collapse if they tried to remove the, and this is, this was like what happened is the country becomes, you know, a completely own subsidiary of washington and brussels. okay. they don't usually

think about plan be very much because plan a was a bad idea in the 1st place. anyway gentlemen, we're going to reconvene next week. we'll see if anybody's singing come by uh, next sunday, a friend gentlemen. i want to thank my g as in budapest, and here in mosque. and of course when i think our viewers for watching us here are d. c. next time. remember, prospect rules, the or the after the end of world war 2. the national liberation movement, it'd be an intensified, dramatic life, haven't driven away the japanese occupiers. the vietnamese patriots by no means

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