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this is the law, the womb. but he must say, lloyd gentlemen, got their own guy in good yonder district in the roof valley in the republic of k. yeah. and as we continue to talk about africa, one can never quite the, you know, the international dimensions given that there was, is in many ways, a globe of age. the conversations that we uh, engaged in is so allies, the relationship between russia and the united states of america, and its implications to the world and of cause. in the cost of that discussion. we cannot help but also talk about africa in that scenario. because africa, inescapably become very important as the rip of victory,

not only of human resources, but specifically the costs of the natural resources that she has on the hub barely . so whenever we talk about negotiation, we must always have that history at the back of one mind. and when they are full of the will, between russia and ukraine started, it must be seen in the context of the collapse of the soviet union during the presidency of the governorship. and during that period, we remember that in 1909, 2 with the collapse of the body in wall one can vividly remember that then set free of the united states of america saying in the 1990 that russia, which was now imagine from the soviet union should never see uh, any threat from not though, because there would be no movement,

not on its extra to watch the just those was it was all set for real estate baker. but subsequently we started seeing something that is very interesting from europe. the continued growth of europe, particularly they repeated union to watch the east and consuming the number of countries, and i'm using the wide, consuming very deliberately and ultimately the expansion of nato. to what based on that as well. i think russia said on the prison for asked me to put in the really, you, i really need you on the very undertaking that you may, you are now saying that's george. yeah. will be a part of their opinion on possibly later by the of late the us saying that's ukraine. would it be a part of nathan us saying the lot the lift when you and if possible, even better, those will be part of these european expansion. and therefore you uh, bringing this threat to our very door steps. and it is because of that

that there was what 1 may have called the cost of what the cost was bailey, between ukraine and rush, we now know is it that the wall that is being prosecuted in ukraine, the mutated it mutated because then via western europe as we know it stopped and supplying ukraine with um and the united states of america during the administration of job. i almost said that we will not stop until the victory is one, invest in beyond god the moment the up to the admitting that the ukrainians as people and ukraine of the country was merely i'll see after the war. but what was being fought? was it russia on the west and what was in it so that when this wall was been

prosecuted in the money to the pins, why? i just tell you things that it must be one in the butter filled and europe must always be seen was the wide world in the context of the did the shape of the united states of america. so the parents may say the a bit, but the americans are the very head of it, which then brings into play the relationship between the united states of america on the rush and the by the administration was a what the should in that relationship. because it became so very toxic and the books, the city of it can be understood in the context that you didn't initial presidency of donald trump. when done on the term became the president of the united states of america at the for the 50 for the then there was 2 additions against the last year that they had been involved and did manipulate in favor of the drum when the

biden administration came in you can see that the relationship went solve on when the relationship went south. it did in fact of the mana in which the war in ukraine was being dealt with. but this is unique in the relationships of countries, particularly when country is called nuclear arsenal. what sometimes has been described as mutually assured destruction as that the tired event and during these and tie up period, we have seen cooperation between russia and the 9th of states of america in political areas in space. the russian space center, if you may,

is, is the meeting point, the melting point of many countries in terms of shared research in the ok degrees. and when research has been under dick and in areas the do with climate change, the was may never know about it and they may never shout about it. there is collaboration when there is talk about nuclear. i'm, i'm and, and with the, the, and developing nuclear. i'm, i'm in full is full all full as a means. the russians may have p a and may indeed be supporting the indians. but there is a box, the collaboration to ensure that it does not the generate to level that's completely unacceptable. and we also know that in the medical was particularly getting called with 9 thieves, they may, and in fact, there is edition, there was going to bush collaboration. how do you develop these vaccines? whether you're talking about the one done or you are talking about sports and it

does time. so one sees a was, which is very interesting. so that if one is i'm yeah, or casual observed. there was thing that diplomacy is only conducted on the basis of gun but diplomacy on sub buckling. but yet the reality is that there is some then yeah. and the collaboration which in itself very is in itself very important to ensure that the, the libyan is good. could it be, is main thing, and it may not be the kid, but look at the was now if you look at the wild, the united states of america. so i still want to consider yourself as the international head jim on. so that if you look on top prisons in the off with on the continent such as through the 1st couple months,

you'd find the prisons in places such as this the shows in places such as you boutique. until very recently, in this, i had the in the jack and they have made jet drawn basis in those areas. so that off for clarity mains a, c or of influence. well, you know, the only place you a mid military austin. oh. but you also get some of the materials that you use to more met those very often olds when you are thinking about the utilization of. but if we show you a differentiated intelligence in warfare re us, which is to be found in the democratic republic of congo and live c um, which is does the sound in places like zimbabwe? and do you have any of which is to be found in faces? suggest judd, miss j on the book, you know, fossil, i'm the russians also not the beloved stopped. we know that there is the russian

presence in central african republic. we know that there is the russian presence industry done. we know that the russians are playing a role now that the european powers and americans are recycling out of the side and region. and we know, for example, that the vending the security or, you know, the beginning to train people in that the, you know, so the wild is very complicated. and the complication of the was, is informed by the fact if one was to now contextualize it, that complication with regard to the continent of africa. why is it that africa, despite the upper decisions to the country, remains on the importance of, you know, or unimportant area for the united states of america? why is it that russia also has an interest in the continent of africa? is a number of reasons. the countries may never say it as loudly as they should. but the

reality is that if one is a power really tightly and it cannot be clearly, you want to be present in the continent, which is that it was victory of some of the resources that you need. how do you follow your industry is if you don't have your in your, how do you follow? are you a industries in the 21st century when you need to tell them when you need this thing? when you need to call them? when you need coal, both you want to be in this. yeah, you want to be in charge. you want to be nigeria, and that is across the board, the united states of america on to russia, as indeed it is. i've truck them to china, and those are the realities that we have to grapple with going forward. which then begs the question during the short period when once so very for us,

the relationship between the united states of america under russia during the biden administration. that is now sewing no sooner had, don't know the drum entered into the white house. that was so there was an immediate rep for a small between the administration in russia as led by like mid putting on don't know, j trump, in the united states of america. and once again, say, if we are going to stop the will in ukraine, it will take russia and the united states of america to midwife. this particular process. and it is done for us is that we are now seeing in motion, which tells us, and this is a very post world war 2 sonata you that's one of the was, is phasing the difficulty is somehow it takes the

united states of america underbrush, which is the immediate success that of the soviet union to dongle, you know, the, to bring in no, most the, to the world of cos, europe as a form of colonized, we'd always been above ground. but 1st was what do they have always accepted the leadership of the united states of america in that for you? good rush. yeah, of course has always been a wow. that speaks for itself. but in the background, one can say there is always has been the tacit support of china, which you do your logically is inclined on find that i see a lot easier to deal with. and this must also be seen as the very basis

why you have bricks, which is the count, the weight, not very interesting way to the bretton woods institutions. and once again, you see that there is that tension that is created by the margins of bricks with the russia on the one side and the united states on the one side. so it is the what 1 may kind of derive if one is to be dramatic about it as a love hate relationship, but the necessary relationship for purposes of creating the queen librium that the water needs. but particularly when the wild is truly still governed by the lot of the jungle survival of the fittest on the dime of the least suitable and position of military. yes or no. does div any country is the well result to mix something to do minds and to be respected, even if reluctantly. so that is 11 may say,

is the tenuous relationship between russia and the united states of america. on the continental side does africa, which are struggling to find the space, find themselves sometimes in the crossfire and confused as to who to align with. but one hopes on praise that africa would find the 14 and we no longer simply play the gooseberry in this contestation because it is necessary for pissed on from quality in the world. we have focused on the relationship between russia and the united states of america. and it's implications for africa and of course there was but let us take a short break as we continue our conversation, the

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