is once 1 may say, is the tenuous relationship between russia and the united states of america on the continent such as africa which are struggling to find the space, find themselves sometimes in the crossfire and confused as to who to align with. but one hopes on praise that africa would find a food thing, and we no longer simply play the gooseberry in this contestation because it is necessary for based on the print quality in the world. we have focused on the relationship between russia and the united states of america, and it's implications for africa. and of course there was but let us take a short break as we continue our conversation, the,

[000:00:00;00] the, [000:00:00;00] the i m p a to the move. uh, he, i q band t, a state and live more true in campbell county and the republic of kenya continuing is the discussion. i apologize because on issues on today, one of them was topical issues in the continent of africa involves the democratic

republic of congo under one and many common data has said many assume about this conflict, but it is important even before we talk about the current situation to one does on some his 3 cause that history is what dave is context on that history is what i got it to her eyes i 0 original sin or original sin because it is the genesis of the problems that we see today. what is presently the democratic republic of congo? is that to the, the, the new freedom before king leopold of the belgians is based what was called the global freeze state. it is because of his activities that

ultimately the european power was met in by leading, in 18841880 5. in order to divide africa into c as of influence before the advent of the belgians on is the germans in dot that it to the offer con communities leave do without the boundaries which was then imposed in the content on specifically, imposed in the democratic republic of congo during that period of what may be described as the one, the kingdom led by the thoughts was to be found in the present day democratic republic of congo in the area. and what is present day that one which was then known as the one that wounded. so the kingdom extended to

democratic republic of congo, wanda, and even wounded on the people as a known as the duty under what was in a bind in inhabited those areas when the boundary is why impose as was the case in many african countries. some thoughts is became calling bodies together with the people called the binomial lang. it was some good seas became little and these as in did the hutus with the sudden of the communities. so when we are talking about the conflict that we know today, we must remind ourselves that they are to seize. who can go lees? glad to see all the lean boundaries on the are some george sees who one

d is the car to see all of the by lean the activities of petition doctor being the case. it is important to understand the conflict from doctor don. fine when combed body gain died in dependence in the early 1900 on 60 is of course there was tensions on these tensions. was carter arise by ethnic affiliation. so that when the fuss 12, good them against the to see it took place in 1959 and there was a dis plus. so the truth is that's the to to why displays. but they remained large. the number of them remained in the aboard regional land in congo. are they did the in the one the on the blue the, when there was you have to another problem i get the to see is on moderate,

what goes in 1990 full and the current administration of, for the government came into power through the one that puts you at the front. what happened is that some of the tools who i involved in the program and well operating on the tag in the 100 um we escaped into is done global. so on when the escape doing to he's done campbell, they form an organization called f d l odd or whose agenda is to come back to the one the in order to remove the dummy administration on what the product that rise as the c administration the i in that territory, they want to come back during that period through successive administration. beginning with them will both assess the sick or to miss vision. both uganda

underlined. why involved and indeed did to help the whole district. it's got dealer 3, move them over to the gym on 3, and so the be allowed to minutes vision. encourage us after that, during the joseph bill administration. this edition remain on the one these army was on the defensive force job in order to ensure that the f d a lot did not evade wanda. the same was also through all the uganda and army, which was also in a defensive posture because there was various elements who wanted to invade your gun. when we had in been on, in the 19, 9th is what is called the 1st goal. it was at the time that you started having this puts you involving the organization that was these now known. i am some splendid 3 was declared. the agenda is to protect the seas from the good as

some of those who say that they are not true. and these, they have kind of ties this on us going believe is something that has been debated over the years in 1996, the former president of the townsend. yeah, judy has come, but i didn't get it for this. so very graphically easy mind that is audience. that's when you say is that you, i have spelling this to see from campbell, are you expecting them to get the, with the i land on the, gave an example. i didn't thought the example you said in can yeah. the most size and in terms of near the i must size on the tons on the on must size. i've tons on in on the can, must side canyons if that then if they accept a debate that is the context in which we must on the fund on see the caught in conflict. that one that has already said that our presence in

d r c is on the defensive pause, in order to ensure that we protect ourselves. of course, the western press has now made this the done thing to say that the rwanda is assisting, but i'm 2323 and is therefore this that'd be lies in the democratic republic of congo. they used on part of it. and this does come with the complete revision of the activities. belgian belgium i've done. so the united kingdom i've done so again, is the one that is also instructive, that what has happened is that they have been to process this, which on them to ensure the pieces that are stored. there was the regional nairobi process, which did not go very far. then there was the one, the process, one day non goal, which was led by prison jonah, and so on going on on the other, one of costs was led by mister, who,

looking after the former president of the republic of gain you, there have been a number of meetings to ensure that this conflict does not continue. and those have culminated in the initial meeting which was held in nairobi popular physically and vice city on which was not attended by the president of the democratic republic of congo. who would then i stands that the one that was held on the sides ask, you know, how did i after that there was the combined meeting all of a sudden duck, which it presented the saw the african states on the east african community. because the democratic republic of congo is both a member of a side jack and a member of these thoughts with the community. it has now been decided during the data salaam meeting, which was hosted by the president of tons, o'neill,

or somebody else to us. and that the to process be combined. so what we now have is lawanda knight rode the process and as there is simply, as on monday, the 24th day of february, the printed 25, the 2 processes of appointed the following. 3 persons who had the process of restoring peace, the president on new sit gone or bus son, joe, former president of nigeria. the next one is where you guys can. yeah. the former president of kenya on the side, boston is highly marty. i'm disabled and the former prime minister of is sylvia dot drive village a has now been monday, the midwife, the peace process on this piece process is designed to restore no mercy in the democratic republic of congo in the, in the vending period. in my view, it is

a critical that we do not a portion blame or the parties involved must now very glad to participate in the process. that means they are full. that's rwanda must be involved. it means that the democratic republic of congo must be involved. it means that the gun that must be involved to the extent that each has played a part in the past, but it is critical going forward that all the competent parties involved. in other words, what one expects all present to boston, joe present to who can knock on prime minister decision is that they persuade, but it's just a government led by just checking the felix to convene on on, on believe me thing. i wish all i'm is a bad in part is wouldn't be involved. and we must remind ourselves that they are

all the $120.00 the groups in the democratic republic of congo. we only, yeah, of the m printed 3 on the flu. the angle, but there are many of those, and all of them must be involved in the process because it is only then that the government of the democratic republic of congo will be able to address the short term medium to them on long term things. and if they do so, then this a normal c will be restored in the eastern part of the democratic republic of congo . peace must break out in the democratic republic of congo and all come bodies. the origin, notwithstanding, must be recognized. africa on global must not allow the ball does crafted by the corner nies as the invited to divide the people's. if they do

that, they'll be forwarding to the designs of the colonizers. the original sin was committed by the european colonizers inputting. we cannot afford the luxury of keeping up with that too, which is destructive to congo and by extension. the continental wasik brothers and sisters. the continent of africa is the home of many see. we are only scratching the surface and will come again to continue our exercise in scratching that some face that we may begin to understand and appreciate

the mazda continent. until then, bye bye. i to the we will consider the presence of these troops on ukrainian territory in exactly the same way we considered the potential presence of nato and ukraine. no matter their flags are shut bronze. moscow considers any foreign troops and you train as belonging to nato and their presence would signal the blocks official involvement in the war. that's the warning from russian foreign minister, sir. gala ross. donald trump, secretary of state, officially confirms what the west has consistently called russian propaganda. the crane complex status as a proxy was now recognized in washington, indirectly. it's

a proxy war between nuclear powers to united states helping ukraine and russia. and