the the, we will consider the presence of these troops on ukrainian territory in exactly the same way we considered the potential presence of nato and ukraine. no matter their flags, or shep ron's moscow considers any foreign troops in ukraine as belonging to nato and their presence. what signal the block, the official involvement in the war, plus the warning from russian foreign minister. second law prost donald trump, secretary of state, officially confirms what the west has consistently called a russian propaganda. ukraine. complex status as a proxy war is now recognized in washington. and frankly, it's a proxy war between nuclear power was due united states popping ukraine in russia, and it needs to come to an end. and no one has any idea or any plan to bring it to

annette. and the remaining part, reject the presidential candidate, georgia who's requested to be released from under judicial supervision as defined by criminal investigation. the you're watching r t international live in moscow. i'm rachel reuben. the deployment of peacekeeping forces from nato countries to ukraine, will mean their official involvement in the complex that's according to russian foreign ministers. so again, our off so should the russia doesn't want any war. russia wants to eliminate the root causes of the situation and ukraine that the west created in order to suppress the influence of and essentially to wage war against russian. first of all, we're talking about the nato expansion. and now president trump and his team clearly understand that this was the root cause for the conflict is and this is

openly stated. while the europeans have decided for some reason, the news that the united states has betrayed their interest. and now simply prefer to ignore the root causes in the topic of nato, with europeans now trying instead to create new coalitions within nato. and essentially, they're creating fighting forces within nato to be deployed in the territory of ukraine. we will consider the presence of these troops on ukrainian territory in exactly the same way we consider the potential presence of nato and ukraine number . because no matter what flags this operation is concealed under who is or whether he, you flags or the national flags of the country supplying the forces. regardless of what patches, even those associated with mendera are fixed to their uniform. so it will still be nato troops. this would mean, i want to say once again, not some alleged hybrid involvement, but the direct official and undisguised involvement of nato countries in the war against the russian federation group. this is unacceptable that this meeting has

just wrapped up between the russian foreign minister, sir, j, lab, rav and d, as in bob, when minister of foreign affairs and international trade. and, you know, a lot of attention was paid to the recent address of the french nation that french president emanuel micron made uh, recently, specifically 2 statements in particular. first of all that he said that your european union can not allowed ukraine conflicts to end in the key of regimes capitulation. and also that russia is a threats to the european union. but lab are all about this press conference. said that the real threat is actually uh, france to russia when they're talking about actually using nuclear weapons against the threats the european union can use to to those. of course, this is a threat and directly to russian. if macklin considers us a threat, then he gathers a meeting of the chief of staff of european countries in britain only, but he says it is necessary to use nuclear weapons and prepare for their use against russia. this is certainly a threat to them. unlike his predecessors who also wanted to wage war on russia,

such as napoleon and hitler. so mister ma, chrome does not act very elegantly because they had explicitly stated that russia needed to be conquered and defeated those macro and seems to want the same thing. but somehow claims that they must fight russia so that it does not defeat france asserting that russia poses threats to france in europe. you know mister omar, chrome periodically declares probably that he will call poot and definitely talk to him. he has the opportunities to do so. as i say, no one prohibits it out. on the contrary, the russian president constantly emphasizes that he is open to contacts with all his colleagues. but to be frank from the inappropriate accusations against russia of preparing for war against europe in france, had been repeatedly dismissed by putting as nonsense and observing solve the course, the implication of backgrounds, words here are quite provocative. we've got 2 separate statements, one saying that russia is a threat to the european union and another of macro on saying that france must be ready to use nuclear weapons against threats to the european union. so uh,

but also he did also say the french president that the frances a nuclear arsenal is only being used for deterrence. so let's take a listener. what he said. this is only 3. i don't know, put the, our nuclear deterrent protects us. it is complete solver in french from start to finish. since 1964, it has explicitly always played a role in preserving peace and security in europe. but responding to the historic cool of the future german chancellor, i decided to open the strategic debate on the protection by all deterrence of our allies on the european continent. whatever happens, the decision has always been and will remain in the hands of the president of the republic, the head of the armed forces. however, i've also spoke a bit about the ukraine conflict in the context of bilateral relations between russia and zimbabwe. he sang once again the minister and these in baldwin government for their support towards russia within the ukrainian conflicts because the president meant on god was of us. and bob white has said time and time again.

they understand that ukraine is being used as a tool by the west to attack russia. and this is something essentially that the minister echoed when i was able to ask him a question today. i asked him what he thought about the wes attempts to pretty much continue this conflict and escalated while we're seeing a cooling and relations between the us and russia and the possibility of peace on the horizon. he said that is it baldwin. government is against any sort of escalation of this conflict. zimbabwe is always an advocate for peace. your forty's an issue to this conflict. racing big coal causes underlying causes of this conflict in that anybody who wants to help this situation can not advocate for continued for securities.

zimbabwe is for the, for the solution to the conflict. and that address is the whole causes of this. so this is him up with a position to has been there it is, then it will be that. so we against any movement towards escalation on the other side. that's also important. understand that russia and zimbabwe have had long time, warm, healthy relations between the 2 countries. i mean, russia back during the times of the soviet union and help zimbabwe and it's war for independence and this tradition, this legacy of friendship between these 2 countries is only continuing lab. rob spoke about joint projects and a number of spears that have been going on and had been agreed on today as well. and the spears of raw materials, energy, atomic cooperation,

space science cooperation as well. and elaborate also brought attention to the fact that uh for, for years russia had offered $125.00 stipends to zone in baldwin students to come to russia and study. but they have agreed today to increase that number as well. and lab rav also praised zimbabwe for its regional leadership in trying to tackle conflicts throughout africa, through regional organizations. specifically, what's going on right now in the democratic republic of congo. the way the russian federation will continue to contribute to the efforts of the global community to promote stabilization and conflict resolution on the african continent. with the understanding that the path to resolution must be agreed upon by the african countries themselves, with the support of relevant continental organizations, externally imposed solutions, do not allow for sustainable regulation of crisis situations. this has been proven . we will advocate for the approach that african problems require african solutions

. now in terms of the comments made by administer him, are we era, he also thanked russia for its participation in these joint projects in zimbabwe that are going to help the country reach its goal of becoming a middle income country by 2030. and he also said that that's also going to be done through working cooperatively with russia and other countries of the multi polar world through bricks and manual microns recent attempts to inspire decisive action in support of ukraine are facing fierce opposition in paris. a number of politicians have accused the french leader of distracting from the countries huge that deficits with his rhetoric. the real excess dental threat to france is not russian because that is a lie. it is the bankruptcy of the country. the loss of jobs, french president emanuel macklin wants to spend tens of billions of heroes and not on the army, but on patching up holes in the budget. surprisingly, emmanuel mat chrome is playing on fields and using the war in ukraine to accelerate

his federalist agenda. and he's pushing cynicism to the point of using this tragedy to excuse future, social breakdowns and huge deficits. the biggest threats piece is not russia. the biggest correct piece is my crumb and it slice. that's the biggest threats. the problem is, once again, is that the level of dogs and propaganda that we have in your opinion and friends is saying exactly the inverse. yesterday i'll be listening to my chrome and my chrome has only talked about lies. what basically my from is trying to do is, was according to the plan that was discussed by united states. and in great britain, france, us is switching the responsibility of this conflicts to the union because they want to get rid of it. so what my phone is doing is trying to gather a kind of, uh, i would say directed to europe in need to, uh,

to system the conflict. so now they are running after a different kind of processes. i'm glass the and searching a complete suspend on ukraine, which is uh, the drum of the go i would say, because friends, in your opinion, are digging their own graves by the way they are doing it. as my cron say says, criticism at home he's finding backers in brussels. the president of the european commission says the union needs to borrow 800000000000. the euro is to stand against the threat that is rushed up. reminder, just a few years ago she claimed moscow would be brought to its needs. russian military is taking ships from dishwashers and refrigerators to fix the military hardware because there are no send me contact us anymore. rushes in the suite is in texas. we, um, europe coach,

mobilize close to 800000000000 euros of defense expenditures for safe and resilient to euro. we will, of course, continue working closely with our partners in a tool. this is a moment for you and we are ready to step up. and as the russians right, correson grows louder. you politicians are intent on meeting it's diverse symphony of voices if they don't sing a war mongering tune. well, it's foreign policy chief says created a coalition of the willing to prevent any one country like hungary from applying the brakes on ukraine support it is increasingly difficult. and that's why we have on the new initiatives, so, so considered a violation of the willing so that so one country comstock that

everybody we are still striving for having the unique c l. 27 members. and if that's not possible, then i mean hungry can speak for themselves. a coalition of the willing was a battle cried during the us led invasion of iraq 2 decades ago. it's made a come back with you. can france leading the charges? they proposed a bombshell plan to deploy european troops to ukraine. you countries were also intent on sending another 20000000000 euros and military aid to ukraine, but hungry blogs with the proposed package. and gary and prime minister has frequently said his country is on the side of peace as cross now to john lochlund, lecturer in politics in history of the catholic institute of the van de in france. done good to have you on the program with us. the uniform policy achieve seems determined to block hungry is voice when it comes to joint decisions on ukraine.

how well do you think the strategy will succeed? what in some ways that depends on hungry you see hungry has been a very strong voice for peace since the beginning of the conflicts. and by the way, his recent deals have been joined by slip back here. so hungry is not alone. spots on a also over that period hungry has tended to take very strong positions in the run up to europe in council meetings such as the one health today in brussels. and then to essentially give in or at least to find some kind of compromise. legally, the european union cannot operate in foreign policy areas without unanimity because foreign policy is not a european union competence and therefore, legally speaking. uh, there's nothing that brussels can do unless everyone agrees. but as i say, we'll have to see exactly how far hung hungry victor obama is prepared to go in.

he's all positions because there's been a number of occasions in the past when one has been, let's say, a little disappointed by the contrast between the initial statements made by budapest and the, and the, the end result from yeah, we certainly are seeing a lot of pressure heaped on the hungry and so thank you for that matter from brussels. john ursula of under lion has warned that a clear and present danger in europe. what exactly is the threat that she's referring to and, and what's the evidence for it or? well, i dismiss this completely, i think that this is ridiculous. the practice is referring to is the threats of an alleged or most imagined russian invasion of, of the nato europe itself, in other words, beyond ukraine. and i think that's crazy on all kinds of levels. and see what she is doing. it's the same as my chrome. what they're doing is they using

this crisis, which they all by the way. i agree, basically in order to build up, as you've said in your report. so an 800000000000 euro fund for defense for the young's industry. and that by 2 creates once and through a european power structure and they'll tell them as see, says, federal european power structure. that's what my quote once that's what he's wanted up. as soon as he was elected, and that so basically what was left on the line once. so they simply using this for their own internal political ends on it. and we'll have to see if they succeed. i'd personally, i'm skeptical that they will succeed, but i have little doubt now that they are going to try. we're seeing the us president engaging directly with state leaders, but there have been canceled meetings and other hurdles when it comes to us. e u dealings. what does this say about the relevance of you leadership currently, a while i said for some time now that i think that donald trump and his

administration hold the european union in contempt and hold most european leaders in contempt. he has, there's a, there's a respect civic to all about, and there may be one or 2 of those, but 5 knowledge, i think that trump doesn't want to deal with the european. so i think he regards them is week is fabulous. and instead he wants to deal directly with the big guys with china, with rusher and so on. and so uh, that's what i think it shows. i think co trauma knows, as he said to zelinski, who holds the cods. he knows that your ups military capacity is tiny. so that's what's events meant when he said very rudely that he talked about random countries that hadn't, for was, for years. there's no to cause quite right. but nonetheless, the ministry capacity of europe, of european states, currently is absolutely tiny. so that's how he approaches things. he's

a transactional politician, trump, and he knows who's got what's, how much each person can bring to the table. ready he knows that the european union, even the collection of states in europe, independently of brussels, come to bring very much a tool hungry is victor or bon met with the french president of manuel micron. he also followed that with a sit down with marine the pen where he called her the country's future president. what, what do you think was behind that warm outpouring from or bon, uh, uh, towards my end depends. you mean, well, yes, an old though that realize, i mean, uh, you know, she's been to put a pass. so there in the same group and you're paying for them and they all right lies. uh so it's entirely normal that he would go and see her whether he's right about how big the next president type person lead out. we have to see it's uh, a couple of years away. the next presidential election. and anyway, she on the ukraine issue is not, is not on the same wavelength as it's true that she opposes sending

a french troops into combat, or at least as peacekeepers into ukraine. uh, but uh, on other respects on other aspects of the ukraine will money depend, is, is relatively close to maximum. so it's a full supposition. john is the french defense minister announced the paris continues to provide intelligence to ukraine after the united states cut off key of how would you compare the french armies capabilities to the us a lot, not really a minute cx, but, but i imagine that the intelligence in question is satellite to intelligence. i understand from press reports, i've seen this morning that the cutting off of american intelligence will make it impossible for ukraine to hit targets inside russia. and that implies that the intelligence is in fact uh, a space spaced espionage. so in other words,

the americans know where the various targets are and rush or, and they can give you credit into the coordinates and they can help them noticed that missiles i, i don't actually know how to compare the french capabilities. of course, the french have satellites as well, but i suspect that they are very mind. uh, i think the american civil ways being the ones behind these attacks on russian territory itself. they obviously have a military operations, which is which tools and the thing that france can offer me. there are media reports that france has already begun organizing medical transport for the wounded and ordered an audit of its railway capacity for transporting equipment to romania, where there is a group of french armed forces with small stocks of munitions and weapons stations . if these reports are indeed true, do you think this points to paris preparing to send the soldiers to ukraine? its lot to be really honest. uh rachel. i find it difficult to imagine. i mean,

we're in a very, very fluid situation at the moment. obviously, very radical changes coming out of washington, europe trying to scrapple together various policies and trying to do a lot of posturing. and i am skeptical that this will in fact lead to a nice thing. i think it's perfectly possible that they will try to go for european will bones. they will try to stretch our lives. you are by means of new debt submitted for military purposes, but that even if that happens, you know, we're talking about a 5 or 10 year program. we're not talking about the next few months when they will be some piece agreement, as we hope in ukraine. because we'll know that russia as you, your report has just shown in rush or of course us and try to keep, rejects the idea that a french will, british or any other european troops. and ukraine would be possible, a peace deal on the country that would be an escalation from the russian point of view. and therefore they would be attacked and you say that they're preparing to transport people out into remain year or whatever. i,

i'm skeptical you can ask me to come back in a month or twos time, and we'll say if i'm wrong. but i think this hosting, if peace keeping troops, which wouldn't be peacekeeping troops, because they wouldn't be a pace to keep. if there are troops. i think it is low i. i suspect it is not really pestering to try to get this. uh, we'll bump this 800000000000 loop on program off the ground. interesting. this will lock you in 5 minutes to robert feet, so says zalinski is war stance is driven solely by financial interest and that you cranes, economic survival is dependent on the war. do you think that's accurate? of course i do. i mean about, i'm not sure what seats are said, but i think no totally that does ukraine. ukraine has been on live support for 2 years now for more than 2 years. and by the way, every time zalinski has been to either washington, no europe is going back, age is months. yes, he said, if we don't have this whole that trunk,

then the fighting is over. so ukraine has made it absolutely clear that it's dependent 100 percent dependent on nato, both militarily and financially for survival. but perhaps pizza was also referring to zalinski is only a corruption and the corruption of the review planning of the lead. because that, of course, is also effective. so yes, his survival, his, his personal, personal income and survival absolutely depends on the continuation of the will. but he and europe on now, if you like, locked into the same horrific logic. they both want the war to continue because the political survival depends on it. my call is an example of this. he's extremely weak in front seat, doesn't have a polar mention majority here. the count doing this thing, the president of the republic can't do this thing without a problem actually majority, he has a very federal government which can be toppled to teddy moment. and he is essentially writing his own job description. now with this stuff about the process

nuclear deterrent to the european army, he's writing, he's and job description. he wants to be the leader of this new federal, you know, that's why he is, in a sense, likes it lensky. he is. he needs this more and the continuation of it for his own personal, political ambitions. all right, we're gonna leave it there. john lochlund, lecture and politics and history at the catholic institute of the vin day in france . john, thank you. thank you. i mean, while the us secretary of state has openly admitted the credit conflict is a proxy war between the us and russia. some very clear from the beginning that president trump, to use this as a protracted stalemated conflict. and frankly, it's a proxy war between nuclear powers, the united states helping ukraine and russia, and it needs to come to an end. and no one has any idea or any plan to bring it to an end and the plan of the ukrainians up to now and their allies on capitol hill. and the people you talk to in other countries is, let's just keep giving them as much as they need for as long as it takes. that's

not a strategy. you know, it took 3 years for washington to find that experience a moment of clarity and actually has made that a, it is, in fact, a proxy war against russia led by the us on this comes off the use of denial, especially in the media because you know media outlets repeatedly called most costanza and the conflict of russian propaganda and the conflict and ukraine was actually unprovoked. and this was despite to his russia raising concerns about nato's expansion. easterwood, while moscow itself had to actually advocate for its own national security. but russia was silence and blames for this propaganda with 12 military officials in the west actually to 9, but any proxy were actually exists. so this really is a, a, a proxy war. you don't have boots on the ground, you're not making decisions which are helping you current and kill russians for helping you create defend themselves. but now the new us administration, the trump administration, is breaking away and actually

a lining itself with the rush of stones. so the us isn't meeting the crate in conflict is a proxy war. but what about chance other backers? well, formal, british prime minister boris johnson also joined in despite his previous role in splitting. actually the play store tools that happened in march in 2022 and a stumble according to most gay johnson actually allegedly advised key of to keep fighting. and you know, service that hi me a uh, then head of the ukrainians allegation east of what's known as to jones lot actually played an influential role in the process. but now boys johnson seems to be saying a compatriot, differentiated. we are late, let's face it. what waging your proxy will await your proxy will, but when not giving a proxies, the ability to do the job and let and for, for years and years now we've been allowing them to fight with one hand tied behind their backs. and it has been cruel. it has been cruel and you know,

this is the same bar as don't send them back in 2022 actually stated that there's no proxy war. that in response to loud real statements, the russia is a will not with the ukraine, but with the west. and the will means will, you know, will these, he is here of has been repeating the montreal at that. russia is the aggressor. i think it's important to repeat some narrative. the reason that karesha and i were just a crane is a victim. and russia is there a restaurant. we only need to be realistic about russia. russia posey's existence, with threats to our security today. the threat of war may not be imminent, but it is not impossible, but not still in europe has been beating that drum about the russian threat for a while now. and after 3 years of pomp like there does seem to be no letting app,

but what effect has the us changing its approach to the conflict had if any, well, you know, from the last few weeks and days the we've a seen washington stones on the conflict has indeed changed, and new wally, europe, a still pushing for the school to continue us is actually pushing on so lensky a to negotiate with mockery bill actually admitting that the landscape is reluctant to end the conflict. we asked you, credit is not to sabotage it. when the vice president made the point that it's got to take diplomacy to get things like to solve, present zalinski. unfortunately, it made the decision to challenge the vice president and start questioning whether diplomacy is even possible in essence sabotaging and undermining the president's plan. my understanding is poor and said he is willing to get into a negotiated settlement. is that your understanding? the answer was we are interested in talking about it. we now need to follow up. it's hard to follow up when the other side of the conflict is saying they're not interested in peace at all. and that was the message that was coming across as

a result of silence keys. reluctance to negotiate, washington has actually stopped, is age to key of and most importantly they stopped the transfer of intelligence data. and this pause is supposed to last until to have changes. it's gone. so, you know, overall we all see a slide shift and the narrative that the west has stopped to since february 20th for a now to romania where a court has upheld his decision to limit calendar jessica, his rights as he undergoes a criminal investigation. the front runner of the countries that cancel the presidential election is currently barred from leaving romania or handling the fire arms. a judicial quotes as to not ruling is full. i know that those controls on calling just to stand. companies remain there for 60 days. he also has reapproved once a week to a local police station. if you change his address, he has to notify the authorities of thought and he's also prevented from talking

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