as we continue to talk about africa, one can never quite the, you know, the international dimensions given that there was, is in many ways of global feet age. the conversations that we uh, engaged in is so allies, the relationship between russia and the united states of america, and its implications to the world and of costs in the cost of that discussion. we cannot help, but also talk about africa in that scenario. because africa, inescapably become very important as the ripples, the 3, not only of human resources, but specifically because of the natural resources that she has on the how badly. so whenever we talk about negotiation, we must always have that history at the back of one mind. and when they are full,

the will between russia and ukraine started, it must be seen in the context of the collapse of the soviet union during the presidency of president, governor shift. and during that period, we remember that in 1909 to with the collapse of the body in wall one can vividly remember, then set free of the united states of america saying in the 1990 is that the russia, which was now imagine from the soviet union should never see uh, any threat from that though, because there would be no movement, not on its extra to what beast, those are the words of real estate baker. but subsequently we started seeing something that is very interesting from europe, the continued growth of europe,

particularly the real pin union, to watch the east and consuming the number of countries. and i'm using the wide, consuming very deliberately and ultimately the expansion of nato toward the east on bodies. well, i think garage just said on the president, brad, me to put in the really you are in a going on the very undertaking that you may you are now saying the george. yeah, we'd be a part of their opinion on possibly later part of nathan us saying that's ukraine wouldn't be a part of nathan us saying the lot the looked when. yeah. and if possible, even better, it was, will be part of these european expansion. and therefore, you uh, bringing this threat to our very door steps. and it is because of that, that there was what 1 may have called the cost of what the cost was bailey, between ukraine and rush. we now know

that the war that is being prosecuted in ukraine, the mutated new dated because then bio western europe, as we know it stopped and supplying ukraine was um on the united states of america during the administration of joe biden, almost said that we will not stop until victory is one, invest in beyond god at the moment, the opportunity admitting that the ukrainians as people and ukraine of the country was merely i'll see after the war. but what was being fought? was it russia on the west and wide was in it. so that when this well was been prosecuted in the money to do euro pins, why i just tell you things that it must be one in the butter filled and europe must always be seen was the wide wall in the context of the did the shape of the united

states of america, so the pins may say the a bit. but the americans are the very head of it, which then brings into play the relationship between the united states of america on the rush and the by the administration was a what the should in dr. relationship because it became so very toxic on the boxes that the of it can be understood in the context that you didn't initial presidency of donald trump when done on the term became the president of the united states of america at the, for the 50, for the then there was 2 additions against the last year that they had been involved and did manipulate in favor of the drum. when the by the administration came in. you can see that the relationship went solve on when the relationship went south. it did. in fact,

of the money in which the war in ukraine was being dealt with. but this is unique in the relationships of countries, particularly when country is old nuclear arsenal. what sometimes has been described as mutually assured destruction as a deterrent event. and during these entire period, we have seen cooperation. it's between russia on the 9th of states of america in political areas in space, the russian space sent, if you may, is the meeting point, the melting point of many countries in terms of shed research in the optic region. when research has been under dick and in areas the do with climate change, the was may never know about it and they may never shout about it. there is

collaboration when there is talk about nuclear. i'm, i'm and, and with the, the union developing nuclear, i'm, i'm in full is full all full as a means. the russians may have p a and may indeed be supporting the union. but there is a box, the collaboration to ensure that it does not the generate to level that's completely unacceptable. and we also know that in the medical world, particularly during called with 9 thieves, they may and in fact, there is a dish, and there was gonna bush collaboration. how do you develop these vaccines? whether you're talking about the one down or you are talking about sports and that does time. so one sees a was, which is very interesting. so that if one is amelia or casual observed, there was think that the diplomacy is only conducted on the basis of guns,

but diplomacy on sub buckling. but yet, the reality is that there is some in your nicole operation, which in itself very is in itself very important to ensure that the, the libyan is kate librium is main things. and it may not with the kid, but look at the was now if you look like the was the united states of america. so i still want to consider ourselves as the international head jim on. so that if you look on the top prisons in the off with on the continent such as through the offer of compromise, you'd find the prisons in places such of this, these shows in places such as you boutique. until the very reason they in this, i had the in these yet, and they have made jet drawn basis in those areas. so that off for clarity mains,

a, c or of influence. well, you know, draw only plays to a mid military hospital, but you also get some of the materials that you use to more met those very often olds when you are thinking about the utilization of. but if you show you just a differentiated intelligence in warfare re us, which is to be found in the democratic republic of congo and live fi um, which is to be found in places like zimbabwe. and do you have any of which is to be found in places such as judd miss j on the book, you know, fossil and the russians also not the beloved stopped. we know that there is the russian presence in central african republic. we know that there is the russian presence industry done. we know that their options are playing a role now that the european powers and americans are recycling out of the site and region. and we know, for example, that even in the security or, you know,

the beginning to train people in that the, you know, so the wild is very complicated. and the competition of the was, is informed by the fact if one was to now contextualize, is that the complication with regard to the continent of africa? why is it that africa, despite the output decisions to the country, remains on the importance of, you know, or unimportant area for the united states of america? why is it that russia also has an interest in the continent of africa? is a number of reasons. the countries may never say it as loudly as they should. but the reality is that if one is a power really tightly on economically, you want to be present in the continent, which is that it was victory of some of the resources that you need. how do you

follow your industry is if you don't have your, in your how do you power you a industries in the 21st century when you need to tell them when you need this thing, when you need to call them? when you need coal, both you want to be in this. yeah, you want to be in charge. you want to be nigeria on that is that truck, they withdrew, bought the united states of america on to russia as indeed it is. i've truck them to china, and those are the realities that we have to grapple with going forward. which then, bags that way, shifts during the short period when once so a very for us, the relationship between the united states of america under russia during the biden administration, that is now sewing no sooner had, don't know the drum entered into the white house. that was so there was an

immediate rep, prussia mall between the administration in russia are led by like me to put in on, don't know, j trump, in the united states of america on once again. say, if we are going to stop the will in ukraine, it will take russia and the united states of america to midwife. this particular process. and it is done for us is that we are now seeing in motion, which tells us, and this is a very post world war 2 sonata you that's whenever the was, is facing difficult, is somehow it takes the united states of america underbrush, which is the immediate success that of the soviet union to tumble, you know, the, to brynn know most the, to the world of cos, europe, as

a form of colonized uh, we'd always been above ground. but 1st was, was due, the, i've always accepted the leadership of the united states of america in that for you . good. rush. yeah, of course has always been up. wow. that speaks for itself. but in the background, one can say there has always been the tacit support of china, which you do, you are logically, is inclined on find that i see a lot easier to deal with. and this must also be seen as the very base is why you have bricks, which is the counter wait, you know, a very interesting way to the bretton woods institution. and once again, you see that there is that tension that is created by the emergence of bricks with

the russia on the one side on the united states on the one side. so it is the what 1 may kind of arise if one is to be dramatic about it as a love hate relationship, but necessarily the relationship for purposes of creating the librium. the needs, particularly when the wild is truly still governed by the lot of the jungle survival of the fittest, on the dime of the least suitable and position of military. yes or no. does div any country is a well result to mix something to do minds and to be respected, even if they're reluctant to be so that is what 1 may say is the tenuous sort of legend ships between russia and the united states of america and continental such as africa, which are struggling to find the space, find themselves sometimes in the crossfire and confused as to who to

align with. but one hopes on praise that africa would find a footing on we no longer simply play the gooseberry in this contestation because it is necessary for based on quality in the world. we have focused on the relationship between russia and the united states of america and its implications for africa. and of course there was, but let us take a short break as we continue our conversation, the the,

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