nat geo, because also in this case, play becomes very important as the rip of victory, not only of human resources, but specifically because of the natural resources that she has on the how badly. so whenever we talk about negotiation, we must always have that history at the back of one mind. and when they are full, the will between russia and ukraine started. it must be seen in the context of the collapse of the soviet union during the presidency of president, governor shift. and during that period, we remember that in 1909 to with the collapse of the body in wall one can vividly remember, then set free of the united states of america saying india 1990. is that russia, which was now imagine from the soviet union, should never see uh,

any threat from that though, because there will be no movement, not on any extra to watch beast. those are the words of real estate baker. but subsequently we started seeing something that is very interesting from europe, the continued growth of europe, particularly they repeated union to watch the east and consuming the number of countries. and i'm using the wide, consuming very deliberately and ultimately the expansion of nato to web based on bodies. well, i think garage just said on the prism rad me to put in the really, you are in a getting on the very undertaking that you may, you are now saying the george. yeah. will be a part of their opinion on possibly later part of nathan us saying that ukraine would be a part of nathan us saying the lot z on live to in. yeah. and if possible, even better, it was, will be part of all these european expansion. and therefore you bringing this

threat to our very door steps. and it is because of that that there was what 1 may call the costs of what the cost was bailey, between ukraine and rush. we now know that the war that is being prosecuted in ukraine, the mutated new dated because then bio western europe. as we know it stopped and supplying ukraine with um on the united states of america during the administration of joe biden, almost said that we will not stop until the victory is one. invest in beyond got the moment the up to the admitting that the ukrainians as people and ukraine of the country was merely i'll see after the war. but what was being

thought, was it russia on the west and what was in it, so that when this well was been prosecuted in the money to 0 pins, why? i just tell you things that it must be one in the butter filled and europe must always be seen was the wide war in the context of the ship of the united states of america . so the parents may say the a bit, but the americans are the very head of it, which then brings into play the relationship between the united states of america and the rush. and the by the administration was a what the should in dr. relationship. because it became solved very toxic, and the book says that the of it can be understood in the context, the uterine initial presidency of donald trump. when done on the time became the president of the united states of america at the for the 50 for the then they will

up to visions again. so last year they had been involved and did manipulate in favor of the drum when the by the administration came in. you can see that the relationship went solve on when the relationship went south. it did, in fact, of the money in which the war in ukraine was being dealt with. but this is unique in the relationships of countries, particularly when country is called nuclear awesome. now what sometimes has been described as mutually assured destruction as a deterrent event. and during these and tie up period, we have seen cooperation in between russia on the 9th and states of america in political areas in space, the russian space center, if you may,

is, is the meeting point, the melting point of many countries in terms of shed research in the optic region, when research is been under the can in areas the do with climate change, the was may never know about it and they may never shout about it. there is collaboration when there is talk about nuclear. i'm, i'm and, and with the they and developing the nuclear i'm, i'm in for is full all full as a means. the russians may have p a and may indeed be supporting the union. but there is a box, the collaboration to ensure that it does nothing to generate to level that's completely unacceptable. and we also know that in the medical, particularly during called with 9 thieves, they may and in fact there is a dish and there was gonna be the issue,

collaboration. how do you develop these vaccines? whether you're talking about the one done or you are talking about sports and it does time. so one sees a was, which is very interesting. so that if one is amelia or casual observed, there was think that the diplomacy is only conducted on the basis of guns, but diplomacy on sub buckling. but yet, the reality is that there is some in your nicole operation, which in itself very is in itself very important to ensure that the libyan is kate, could lead them his main things. and it may not be the kid, but look at the was now if you look like the was the united states of america. so i still want to consider ourselves as the international head jim on. so that if you look on top prisons in the off with on the continent such as through

the office on coal mine, you'd find the prisons in places such as this, these shows in places such as you boutique. until very recently, in this, i had the in the jack and they have made jet drawn basis in those areas. so that off for clarity mains a, c or of influence. well, you know, the only place you a mid military austin. oh. but you also get some of the materials that you use to more met those very often olds when you are thinking about the utilization of. but if we show you a different story, instead of just in warfare re us, which is to be found in the democratic republic of congo and live fi um, which is to be found in places like zimbabwe. and do you have any of which is to be found in places such as judd new j on the book, you know, fossil and the russians also not the beloved stopped. we know that there is the

russian presence in central african republic. we know that there is the russian presence and so done, we know that the russians are playing a role now that the european powers and americans are recycling out of the site and region. and we know, for example, that even in the security or, you know, the beginning to train people in that there, you know, so the wild is very complicated. and the complication of the was, is informed by the fact if one was to now contextualize it, that complication with regard to the continent of africa. why is it that africa, despite the upper decisions to the country, remains on the importance of, you know, or unimportant area for the united states of america? why is it that russia also has an interest in the continent of africa?

is a number of reasons. the countries may never say it as loudly as they should. but the reality is that if one is what really tightly and it cannot be purely, you want to be present in the continent, which is that it was victory of some of the resources that you need. how do you follow your industry is if you don't have you in your how do you follow? are you a industries in the 21st century when you need to tell them when you need this thing? when you need to call them? when you need call both, you want to be in this. yeah, you want to be in charge. you want to be nigeria, and that is across the board, the united states of america on to russia, as indeed it is. i've crossed him to china, and those are the realities that we have to grapple with going forward. which then

begs the question, during this short period, when once so very for us, the relationship between the united states of america under russia during the biden administration. that is now sewing no sooner had, don't know the drum entered into the white house. that was so there was an immediate rep, push them off between the administration in the russia are led by like me to put in on the j trump, in the united states. of america, and once again say, if we are going to stop the will in ukraine, it will take russia and the united states of america to midwife. this particular process. and it is done for us is that we are now seeing in motion which those us and this is a very post world war 2 sonata you that's whenever the was,

is facing. the difficulty is somehow it takes the united states of america underbrush, which is the immediate success that, of the soviet union to bundle, you know, the, to bring no most the, to the load of cos, europe as a form of colonize, uh, we know is being the background, but 1st was what do they have always accepted the leadership of the united states of america in that for you? good. gosh, yeah, of course has always been a power that speaks for itself. but in the background, one can say, there has always been the positive support of china, which you do, you are logically, is inclined on find that i see a lot easier to deal with. and this must also be seen as the very base is

why you have bricks, which is the counter wait, not very interesting way to the bretton woods institutions. and once again, you see that there is that tension that is created by the emergence of bricks with the russia on the one side on the united states and the one side. so it is the what 1 may kind of derive if one is to be dramatic about it as a love hate relationship, but necessarily the relationship for purposes of creating the queen librium that there was needs, particularly when the wild is truly still governed by the lot of the jungle survival of the fittest, on the dime of the least suitable and position of military. yes or no. does div any country is the well result to mix something to do minds and to be respected

even if they're reluctant to me. so that is what 1 may say is the tenuous sort of legend ships between russia and the united states of america and continental, such as africa which are struggling to find the space. find themselves sometimes in the crossfire and confused as to who to align with. but one old son prays that africa would find the 14 and we no longer simply play the gooseberry in this contestation because it is necessary for based on quality in the world. we have focused on the relationship between russia and the united states of america and its implications for africa. and of course there was, but let us take a short break as we continue our conversation, the any mention all size the area might tons of the

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[000:00:00;00] the i am theater to move uh to bend t a state and live more role in campbell county and the republic of kenya continuing is the discussion about africa on issues. and today, one of them was talked to call issues in the continent of africa, involves the democratic republic of congo on one. and many common data has said many assume about this conflict. but it is important even before we talk about the current situation to