the, the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered. i'm peter level. there's a growing consensus that a deal is necessary to end the conflict in ukraine. this is progress. the problem is there is no consensus on what kind of deal that might be. trump demand to craig and negotiate with russia, the europeans and zalinski talk the language of peace while supporting more war, the processing war and peace. i'm joined by my guest doctor mirrors. i in london, he's a senior journalist at radio,

himalayan news in germany. we have toby as car and he is an entrepreneur and political analyst. and in los angeles we apply e and he is an independent geo political and macro economic analyst. all right, gentlemen, cross stock rules and effect, that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it by you got up so early in the morning for us. we all appreciate it very, very much welcome to the program. i hope you've had at least one cup of coffee. all right, let's start out what the deal is. the title of this program is deal. what deal um, a lot of progress has been made since that meltdown. and the oval office trump is demanding a deal. he has almost always gonna say almost all the high cards, he has all of the cards and he has the table as well. so a deal is in train here. what deal could that be? because we have zelinski on x thing. ukraine is ready to come to the negotiating table as soon as possible to bring lasting piece closer. what does that mean to you?

one week after this disastrous oval office meeting, go ahead pine or? yeah, i think the deal is ultimately if you read between the lines, it's an optical deal for the western world to save face. uh huh. after 3 years after 3 years and a brutal more, that doesn't seem to be leading in the wes favor regardless of how many arguments resources or whatnot are being sent over. so it is a deal essentially to say, face, that's really why anybody in, in the public space is there. let's figure out, 1st of all, who's in charge? this is my broken record launcher. every time i be there on this show or anywhere else, i mean, who is truly in charge because the lensky trump vance. rubio, storm or macro. all of these banking establishment, assign public figures are tactical distractions away from the actual atlanta's. this power structure, which involves very private trillion or oligarchs, literally hell bent on seizing ukrainian, and ideally, ultimately,

russian natural resources and state assets, ukraine's rare earth metals. you'll notice it's a deal, but it's a deal for piece and the price, or the, or the minerals, the rare minerals that of ukraine. why ukraine's where metals are valued at $11.00 trillion with a t, as in thomas trillion us dollars. and trump unfortunately wants half of ukraine metal, the cranes metals for whom up though for whom ultimately who is trustee? admirable agent, who reassigned him to the white house for a reduction kissinger's, neo quarter uncle madman. siri of geo political influence who is constantly reorganizing bondholders for ukraine's debt right after that to 2014 cool, because the answers are pretty warm, are getting closer. they're considered also, they, ukraine's mineral deposits are globally significant because they offer diversification from surprise telling dominant producers of

a rare metals like china. consider also the trans core mandate and being in power again involves separating russia from china as much as possible. and then you will get away from the distractions that, again, are tactical, and are trans atlantic and, or in nature i, you know, so much of what you say, i agree with. i mean, i'll certainly business all a distraction if i can go to the doctor and doctor mirrors in london. we've all been following on uh, the pronouncements coming out of european capitals nato land about, you know, you know, the, the ukraine, you know, as long as it takes, we've heard this mantra from biden. and now the europeans are saying, and i agree with what pi had to say, this is all a deflection. the it is last. they are good is the make a lot of noise. they're going to say, we're going to do everything for ukraine. we're gonna, we're going to use the profits from stolen russian assets to funded,

which is dubious in itself because they know they have lost and they want to turn around and say, we did everything we could. but trump decided, i think that's a diversion right now. what do you, what do you think, dr. maritza? i totally agree with you because this is a diversion and the question is why they need a diversion? what, what is opposing them to talk about deals and diversion? when on thursday the you're being summer emergency somebody is being held. and in that summer everyone is trying to force each other, pledge, billions of dollars and it gives you 2 funding for the fund this the conflict. and you can, i think that the a says the american support has been away. this new trump administration has totally changed about it. i'm off the international donations in that regard. so you won't be in defense, but there is not enough to finance such a big project. i called su, green water project,

some project basically that was planned for years and years. so they are now as well. i'm playing with each other for money. i'm talking about a bond in red, rising taxes, and all that this kind of adventure to them is going to hit them back in their own countries because it is unemployment. there is poverty child poverty in the u. k is on the rise, like never before. and they are trying to fund a losing war. this is going to be a big question mark when it comes to british public opinion. next is the you, chris military. leadership is about disillusion. it's totally disillusion. they have no direction that they know they're fighting a losing lot and, and, and, and done the disciplined thing among the premiums isn't freezing. so i think this is just an excuse to buy a dime in the vehicle off the new american stats about this more than this

administration is blank to distance itself from you, but a lot of because they have to address to their own deficits and economic as it is so they, they, they have decided to go out. and now europe is in panic mode. and on thursday process, mcgraw has made a very dangerous statement. the said that we would also consider the possibility of using the nuclear data. and the russian foreign minister has gone through that saying that this is a serious type bradshaw. so i think you're probably busy, they're going mentor. yeah. but it doesn't say they're going to be bolts on good. oh yeah. we don't want to have a plan in the sky. one little place, shut down, but a russia is the target for total. oh yeah. well, the but that, that's if and only if all members of the alliance agree to article 5,

donald trump is not going to do that. it will backfire on them. toby, as you know, one of the things that we keep hearing from western leaders and that not on the american side of the atlantic, but it keeps talking about a ceasefire or a truce. and what's really strange about using those 2 words is that i'd cease fire a truce involved at least 2 parties. the party that is not being consulted is russia and russia has said repeatedly, it is not i is not interested in a truce or a ceasefire. go ahead in germany. yeah, and thank you very much for my kind of perspective. i went through a rough ends in 2018. i'm. i think i'm kind of what have you paid to the person the other for my grandfather and i'm every time he was saying, if you don't know where i'm coming from, don't know where to go. so i will, i will, i will visit the restaurant and once i have joins in 2019 and the from, yeah, and i was a,

this is an electrical box here and back in the days and forth from a, in, in, in washington, dc. and folks work, it's everything has an economy to reason. for my kind of perspective, diesel ultimately resides which cost from the 2nd world war. and after that, i will cut them fall in the 1990 and a lot of them install find their fans against the truck, which i press the personally see one of the most major, good positions. october, 2nd, world war will make these colorful and they, they signed the decrease that there is no woman to the, to the east. and this not only from my kind of perspective i have seen, and i also have good relationships to the d. c states and i'm also see. busy other than the enjoyment i'm on when it happens to gather the war. and i'm seeing the problem that say we totally lost the transfer and see why there was

a major with germany joint and also about your being members in 1965. and to be honest, after the iron testing for 1991 and you shouldn't have left nature and we will just assume they're established in different kinds of organization to protect more in in can you better when i'm looking at, from the government perspective. if at this moment, you know, we have the option to try to find a basic law where we are allowed to, to join the organization to protect the piece in euro. but then when, when, when you're seeing what was happening on the timeline in the years, and so now, and jonathan, germany was a, you know, i, i said sometimes if we had called you guys by the americans and toby and the facts of the matter is germany is not a sovereign state, it does not control it sovereignty. it does not control its foreign policy. it does not control its security. and on top of it,

most likely 99 percent. sure. the americans blew up your pipeline. and what did germany say about it? what did germany do? they did, they expected? what is stupid because america is the biggest member and the nature of domains the 2nd biggest and they bump, bump, bump. not seen wanting to disclose these economy good prices. the problem is that i was already telling this in 2019, you need something in your black and, you know, own risk because of the 1812 random julio, and tried to call the restaurant. and the type of waterloo then, went out on supplier ends up in 94 and then from 1990 on to the right. now we have to be at the same because the major was only done for one purpose. the americans are needing this and they offering an open door policy. but what, what, what was the target to the store? and, you know, the,

the open door policy was opened to everyone except for russia. and that is the problem here. gentlemen, i'm going to jump in, we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on war and peace. stay with our team, the, [000:00:00;00]

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remind you were discussing war and peace. the, you know, pi i've been covering the issue of ukraine ever since the legal over throw of the elected government in, uh, february of 2014. so this is my 11th year and covering this crisis. and what i find really interesting and i've gone through it over and over again, i think i already mentioned you have done over a 100 programs on this topic alone. and how the narratives are always changing. ok, rushes last, rushes. ukraine is winning, the russia is going to collapse in the matter of weeks, you know, all, you know, the, the rubel to rubble all of this nonsense here. but what's really interesting is what you're coming, what's coming out of european capitals. the panic is, is that it's not all it's, but it has nothing to do with ukraine. it is never had anything to do with ukraine as

a political entity. i'm keeping in mind what you said at the beginning of the program . but what western politicians, the europeans, they're desperate to keep the political west relevant because it is rapidly becoming irrelevant. go ahead by as a part of that relevancy involves the attributes. uh and for, you know, we just got trump back in for a 2nd term and immediately its this sense of uh okay, i'm very pro or is administration and seemingly, optically very pro russian. that is a tactical, good cop, bad cop being deployed once again. so in this past couple of weeks deployed a collectively europe, as, as bad cough look, we're going to re, are, look, we're going to find uh, $800.00 to $900000000000.00 us from somewhere in order to rearm. but trump and his administration,

or ridiculing zelinski on the floor of the white house and demanding apologies out of him. this is all. yeah, i don't know if anybody who's over and in a position of influence across the entire your age and land mass is literally a genuinely full of by this uh pantomime. there's 2 movie theater in order to confuse you're a good german guess referenced, then you use so you did as well peter, the sabotaging of the north stream one and 2. i would argue the prior sabotage was the removal of gerhard schroeder and escorting him on ceremoniously out of power for a much more complying miracle. why? because uh schroeder had the air to the ground for german industry and leaning closer to a naturally logically, rationally towards the region, assets and, and forming alliances. well, we had to prior world wars to prevent a german,

russo german, a alliance that's worked. that's fairly obvious. mertz coming in it's, it's a business to the new mandate. just to reiterate what i said earlier, is how best to separate russia and china to state ably and how to do so as soon as possible. and you crate to address your earlier question or point. uh, as is supposedly been as neo afghanistan opportunity to try and pierce russian resolve, let alone it's economy, let alone it's military capacity to try and bleed russia drive as much as possible that obviously is not working. and hence, the need to shuffle the deck here to have a newer approach that involves some of this. so this, the actress, you know, dr. mirrors in london. really,

it lets you know the big need this phase of the conflict. 3 years ago, it started in 2014, but when waste, let's use the starting point for our purposes, the special military operation. so you really had the collective west using ukraine is a proxy too weak in russia, as pi is already pointed out, that hasn't worked as a matter of fact. i lived here, it's strength in russia immensely, and made it actually richer. but now you have because european leaders, again, after the meltdown in the oval office. so explain to me, sir, how europe thinks it can take on russia, the united states and china all at the same time. i mean, what cool aid are these people drinking? go ahead. well, i think that there they are desperate they have that one because there are 2 aspects to this that i can see. number one is the domestic a failure to increase the g

b over the years and surviving on the bank of recession. the bank of slumps economics lumps in to people are doing outside of the backs every saturday, every sunday and people are going to the judges to get food from the food banks. and they're not talking about the government is talking about, you know, funding a lot that everybody knows is a proxy or you talk to someone on the street in, in london and they discuss with them. they all love. this is they know it's a proxy more. and the reason that europe now is panicking, they want to dig on china and russia, and maybe in the near future, they're going to dig a home as good as well. because the last, the last, the law, this is not the time for more. this is the time to sit on dog. this is

a time to negotiate. what have you learned from the 2nd world war? all of your was totally destroyed. now they want to do that again. they want to repeat the catastrophic disaster floorboard too. so they, these european leaders of selfish, they are ego centric, and they have no room in their heart for the people who they present all. oh, basically obviously, and over the last 3 years, let's go to toby as in germany, nobody, as far as i'm aware in europe voted for this proxy war. no one is ever ask the people and we have, we have political parties, election after election across the continent, populace parties on the left and right running against that. and then you have the radical center that will not deal with as a sometimes up to 3040 percent of the electorate. but it is against the consensus of b leads. i mean, it is becoming less and less democratic. ukraine certainly is not

a democracy. go ahead, toby. yes. yeah, i'm seeing it in general and not. so that's what i think the biggest, biggest confirmation of all the and this is also a road and it's a huge opportunity. the thing was only to weaken in, in general, um, germany and in euro, because we had these ties uh, with russia, the program, they said all the information which i presented in the media are based on this tax . so, and the whole thing is, we're like brain watch, you know, when you go to be also the movies back in the days you have what this every time the russians are, the bed and the americans and the rest of the alliance of the goods. and also regarding right now that your views we sitting at the negotiating table for me, the most important thing is right now. so what i need is the electronic assigned to do so to get a receipt, then it's not because if america is a pay you pray with your company, tomato, you can keep the areas which you all right. the already have to go over which last

time we navigate back, because i have some business on that. and the don't boss that already has invested huge amounts of billions to meet the truck to and the people are fine with this. then we stopped the war and then later on he asked to read you what happens on the timeline and we, we have to negotiate by effect. because for me, my perspective i'm and the last 1015 years more abroad, i was proud to be a german. i'm proud to be your team, but i to my side of more as a global citizen. and what is you going on? you know, with the 2nd word for most the job at 50000000 people from german and russia side died by us. so we live and we loved each other, so all the administration from the rest of the sites is less aggressive. and i don't really know see their reason and why russia will go further to invade iron to button to, to, to europe. so the 1st one is to making these install these 2 layers of the young

people to be, to talk to toby as hopefully, hopefully one is hopefully one of the outcomes of all this will be the end of ne, towards least so much more week. and one pie i've asked my guess over the last few weeks ever since the famous side trump putting phone call and we see witnessing a all to 2 point. oh, and i and i, when i say you all to, i think of a in a positive way. i know there are historians. i'd say it was a, a big trail. i think it was the 3 victor sitting down. that's what happens when you, when go ahead by i don't think so because the, the core mandates still involve isolating russia and weakening its influence as possible to jet. that. just go back to the 1st term that used at the outset of the show. and what's it core here is the, the term deal. whose deal? why? how are the russians supposedly and what like, where are the russians with regard to this mineral steel that i was referencing

earlier? like a. okay, so, so lensky, they, yeah, he apologizes to trump the kids and make up, okay, let's have that minerals deal go through. let's finalize on that. and that you, where are you involved in the russians? where are you involving any of the east? it's, it's like this is just like, literally someone screen writing and scratching the, the draft and throwing it away on a, on an hour by hour basis. i reiterate. we need to figure out who's genuinely in charge. we need to figure out who specifically, what their roles or what their influence is, are with regard to industry. they're commuting schedules, whatever we need to do. that's core mandate ahead of everything else that's for me . well, i mean, probably if i could and can stay with you here. so, given what russia has demanded and it's all publicly known, people say, what do the russians want? what is boots?

and once it's go to the kremlin, why did decide you can find it out, it's really easy here. i would tend design well to, i think i would submit to, to you my guess in my audience here, is it russia is going to get as pretty much exactly what it's demanded from the very, very beginning. why? because trump has no, he doesn't have high cards. when it comes to russia, but when it comes to everyone else, no one else has cards except for the russians and the americans 30 seconds before we finish off. yeah, just uh, the optics will continue to re emphasize why is that? that latter we are putting this, the new at off hitler. now russia is been to nazi germany. they are hell bent onto taking over europe and then the rest of the world. and that is classic psychological projection from those who are actually genuinely running things from behind the curtains as trans atlantic with yeah, effective i, i tend to agree, i mean be a, they've had

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