[000:00:00;00] the, [000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered. i'm peter level. there's a growing consensus that a deal is necessary to end the conflict in ukraine. this is progress. the problem is there is no consensus on what kind of deal that might be. trump demand to crane negotiate with russia, the europeans and zalinski talk the language of peace while supporting more war, the

press, sucking war and peace. i'm joined by my guess. dr. mirrors i in london, he's a senior journalist at radio himalaya, news in germany. we have toby as conference. he is an entrepreneur and political analyst, and in los angeles we apply e and he is an independent geo political and macro economic analyst, or a gentleman, cross loc rules in effect, that means you can jump any time you want. and i always appreciated by you got up so early in the morning for us. we all appreciate it very, very much. welcome to the program. i hope you've had at least one cup of coffee. all right, let's start out what the deal is. the title of this program is deal. what deal? so a lot of progress has been made since that meltdown. and the oval office trump is demanding a deal. he has almost, i was gonna say almost all the high cards. he has all of the cards and he has the table as well. so a deal is in train here. what deal could that be? because we have zelinski on x thing. ukraine is ready to come to the negotiating

table as soon as possible to bring lasting peace closer. what does that mean to you? one week after this disastrous oval office meeting. go ahead pine. yeah, i think the deal is ultimately if you read between the lines, it's an optical deal for the western world to save face. uh huh. after 3 years after 3 years of a brutal more uh, that doesn't seem to be leading in the wes favor regardless of how many arguments resources or whatnot are being sent over. so it is a deal essentially to say, face, that's really why anybody in, in the public space is there. let's figure out, 1st of all, who's in charge? this is my broken record launcher. every time i be there on this show, or anywhere else, maybe who's truly in charge because the lensky trump vance. rubio, storm or macro. all of these banking establishment assign public figures are tactical distractions away from the actual atlantis has power structure, which involves very private,

truly in our older guards. literally hell bent on seizing ukrainian, and ideally, ultimately, russian natural resources and state assets, ukraine's rare earth metals. you'll notice it's a deal, but it's a deal for peace and the price, or the, or the minerals, the rare minerals that of ukraine, why ukraine's wherever the metals are valued at $11.00 trillion with a t, as in thomas trillion us dollars and truck. unfortunately wants half of ukraine metal, the cranes metals for whom up though for whom ultimately who is trustee? admirable agent, who reassigned him to the white house for a reduction kissinger's, neo quarter uncle. mad man. siri of geo political influence who was constantly reorganizing bondholders for ukraine's debt right after that to 2014 cool. because the answers are pretty warm are getting closer. they're consider also, they,

ukraine's mineral deposits are globally significant because they offer diversification from surprise telling dominant producers of a rare metals like china. consider also the trans core mandate and being in power again involves separating russia from china as much as possible. and then you will get away from the distractions that, again, are tactical, and are trans atlantic and, or in nature i, you know, so much of what you say, i agree with. i mean, i certainly business all a distraction if i can go to the doctor and dr. mirrors in london. and we've all been following on uh, the pronouncements coming out of european capitals nato land about, you know, you know, the, the ukraine, you know, as long as it takes, we've heard this mantra from biden. and now the europeans are saying, and i agree with what pi had to say, this is all a deflection, the it is lost, they are going to make a lot of noise. they're gonna say, we're going to do everything for ukraine. we're going to,

we're gonna use the profits from stolen russian assets to funded, which is dubious in itself because they know they have lost and they want to turn around and say, we did everything we could. but trump decided, i think that's a diversion right now. what do you, what do you think dr. maritza and i totally agree with you because this is a diversion and the question is why they need a diversion? what, what is causing them to talk about deals and diversion? when on thursday the you're being summer emergency somebody is being held. and in that summer everyone is trying to force each other and pledge billions of dollars in a digital fund. further from this the conflict. and you can, i think that the a says the american support has been away. this new trump administration has totally changed about it. i'm off the international donations in that regard. so

you won't be in defense, but there is not enough to finance such a big project. i called su, greenwater project. it's a project basically that was planned for years and years, so they are now as well. i believe with each other for money i'm talking about bonded red, rising taxes and all that this science of adventures is going to hit them back in their own countries because it is unemployment. there is poverty child poverty in the u. k is on the rise like never before, and they are trying to fund a losing war. this is going to be a big but denmark, when it comes to british public opinion, next is the you. chris military. leadership is about this illusion. it's totally disillusion. they have no direction that they know they're fighting a losing lot and the, and, and, and done the discipline, think among the premiums isn't appraising. so i think this deal is just an excuse

to buy a dime in the vehicle off the new american stats about this war. then this administration is blank to distance itself from you, but in war because they have to address to their own deficits and economic as it is . so they, they, they, they have decided to go out. and now europe is in panic mode and on cause the process. mcgraw has made a very dangerous statement, is that we would also consider the possibility of using the nuclear data. and the russian foreign minister has gone through that saying that this is a serious threat. bradshaw, so i think you're probably busy, they're going mentor. yeah. but it doesn't say they're going to be bolts on good. oh yeah. the going to have a plans in the sky. one little place, shut down by a russia. is the target for a total?

oh yeah, well the, but that, that's if and only if all members of the alliance agree to article 5, donald trump is not going to do that. it will backfire on them. toby, as you know, one of the things that we keep hearing from western leaders and that not on the american side of the atlantic, but it keeps talking about a ceasefire or a truce. and what's really strange about using those 2 words is that i'd cease fire a truce involved at least 2 parties. the party that is not being consulted is russia and russia has said repeatedly, it is not i is not interested in a truce or a ceasefire. go ahead in germany. yeah, and thank you very much for my kind of perspective. i went through a rough ends in 2018. i'm, i think i'm kind of what have you guys as a person, the other for my grandfather and i'm every time he was saying,

if you don't know where i'm coming from, don't know where to go. so i will, i will, i will visit the restaurant and once i have joins in 2019 the premier and i was a visit, an electrical box here and back in the days and forth from a in, in, in washington, dc. and folks work, it's everything has an economy to reason. for my kind of perspective, visa ultimately resides which costs from the 2nd world war. and after that, i will cut them fall in the 1990 and a lot of them install find their fans again trying to get a result of trust which i press the personally see one of the most major, good positions. october, 2nd, world war will make these colorful and they, they signed the decrease that there is no men to the, to the east. and this not only from my kind of perspective i have seen, and i also have good relationships to the d. c states and then we'll also see. busy other than the enjoyment come on when it happens to gather the more. and i'm seeing

the problem that say we totally lost the transfer and see why they wasn't made so with germany joins. and also about your being members and 1965. and to be honest, after the iron custom for 1991 and we shouldn't have left nature. and we will just do that as douglas and different kinds of organization to protect more in in can you better when i'm looking at, from the government perspective. if at this moment, you know, we have the object to 24 an hour basic law where we are allowed to, to join the organization to protect the piece in euro. but then when, when, when you're seeing what was happening on the timeline in the years, and so now, and jonathan, germany was a, you know, i, i said sometimes as we have come to us by the americans. and toby, as the facts of the matter is germany is not a sovereign state, it does not control its sovereignty. it does not control its foreign policy. it

does not control its security. and on top of it, most likely 99 percent. sure. the americans blew up your pipeline. and what did germany say about it? what did germany do? they did. they expected? what is stupid because america is the biggest member and the nature of domains the 2nd biggest, and they bump, bump, bump. not seen wanting to disclose these economy good prices. the problem is that i was already telling this a 2019 do you need something in your black and you know, own risk because 1812. when the young tried to pull the restaurant and the type of waterloo, then went out of supplier ends up in 94 and then from 1990 on to the right. now we have to be at the same because the major was only done for one purpose. the americans are leading this in the offering an open door policy. but what, what, what was the target to the store?

and, you know, the, the open door policy was open to everyone except for russia. and that is the problem here. gentlemen, i'm going to jump in. we're going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on war and peace. stay with our team. take a fresh look around his life kaleidoscope. it gives him just a shifted reality distortion by power to division with no real opinions. fixtures designed to simplify will confuse i really would say better. well, is it just because it shows you fractured images?

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insurance, the the lots of nice across stock were all things are considered non peter lavelle to remind you were discussing war and peace. the, you know, pi i bit been covering the issue of ukraine ever since the legal, over through all of the elected government in, uh, february of 2014. so this is my 11th year and covering this crisis. and what i find really interesting and i've gone through it over and over again, i think i already mentioned you have done over a 100 programs on this topic alone. and how the narratives are always changing. okay, rushes last rushes. ukraine is winning and the russia is going to collapse in the

matter of weeks, you know, all, you know, but the rubel to rubble all of this nonsense here. but what's really interesting is what you're coming, what's coming out of european capitals. the panic is, is that it's not all it's, but it has nothing to do with ukraine. it is never had anything to do with ukraine as a political entity. i'm keeping in mind what you said at the beginning of the program . but western politicians, the europeans, they're desperate to keep the political west relevant because it is rapidly becoming irrelevant. go ahead by as a part of that relevancy involves the attributes and for, you know, we just got trump back in for a 2nd term and immediately it's the sense of uh, okay, i'm very pro or is administration and seemingly, optically very pro russian. that is a tactical, good cop, bad cop being deployed once again. so in this past couple of weeks deployed

a collectively, europe, as, as bad. cough look, we're going to re are look, we're going to find uh, $800.00 to $900000000000.00 us from somewhere in order to rearm. but uh trump and his administration, or ridiculing zelinski on the floor of the white house and demanding apologies out of him. this is all. yeah, i don't know if anybody who's over and in a position of influence across the entire your ation land mass is literally a genuinely fold by this parents or mine is too bulky theatre in order to confuse you're a good german guess referenced, then you use so you did as well, peter, the sabotaging of the north stream one and 2. i would argue the prior sabotage was the removal of gerhard schroeder and escorting him on ceremoniously out of power

for a much more complying miracle. why? because uh schroeder had the air to the ground for german industry and leaning closer to a naturally are logically, rationally towards your asian assets and, and forming alliances. well, we had 2 prior world wars to prevent a german, russo german, a alliance that's worked. that's fairly obvious, mertz coming in it's, it's a business to the new mandate. just to reiterate what i said earlier is how best to separate russia and china. so state ably and how to do so as soon as possible and ukraine to address the earlier question or point. uh, as is supposedly business, neo afghanistan opportunity to try and pierce russian resolve, let alone it's economy, let alone it's military capacity to try and bleed russia drive as much as possible that obviously is not working. and hence,

the need to shuffle the deck here to have a newer approach that involves some of this. so this, the actress, you know, dr. mirrors in london. it lets you know that quickly this phase of the conflict 3 years ago, it started in 2014. but when waste, let's use the starting point for our purposes, the special military operation. so you really have the collective west using ukraine is a proxy too weak in russia, as pi is already pointed out, that hasn't worked as a matter of fact. i lived here, it's strength in russia immensely, and made it actually richer. but now you have because european leaders, again, after the meltdown in the oval office. so explain to me, sir, how europe thinks it can take on russia, the united states and china all at the same time. i mean, what cool aid are these people drinking?

go ahead. well, i think that there they are desperate they have that one because there are 2 aspects to this that i can see. number one is the domestic a failure to increase the g d b over the years and surviving on the bank of recession. the bank offs lumps economics lumps in to people not doing outside of the banks every saturday, every sunday and people are going to the judges to get food from the food banks. and they're not talking about the government is talking about, you know, funding a lot that everybody knows is a proxy or you talk to someone on the street in, in london, and then discuss with them they all love. this is they know it's a proxy more. and the reason that europe now is panicking,

they want to big on china and russia, and maybe in the near future, they're going to dig a home as, as well. because the last, the last, the law, this is not the time for more. this is the time to sit on dog. this is a time to negotiate. what have you learned from the 2nd world war all over the world probably destroyed. now they want to do that again. they want to repeat the catastrophic disaster of learn award to. so they, these, you would have been leaders of selfish, the ego centric, and they have no room in their heart for the people who they present or obviously obviously in, over the last 3 years. so let's go to toby as in germany, nobody, as far as i'm aware in europe voted for this proxy war. no one is ever ask the people and we have, we have political parties,

election after election across the continent, populace parties on the left and right running against that. and then you have the radical center that will not deal with as a sometimes up to 3040 percent of the electorate. but it's against the consensus of b leads. i mean, it is becoming less and less democratic. ukraine certainly is not a democracy. go ahead, toby. yes. yeah, i'm seeing it in general and not. so that's what i think the biggest, biggest information all for, and this is also a road and it's a huge opportunity. the thing was only to weaken in, in general, and germany and in euro. because we had these ties with russia, the problem is that all the information which i presented in the media are not based on this test. so, and the whole thing is, we are like brain watch, you know, when you're looking also the movies back in the days you have what this every time the russians out of the bed and the americans and the rest of the lines of the

goods. and also regarding right now that your views be sitting at the negotiating table for me, the most important thing is right now. so what i need is e, and it's trump is fine to do so to get a receipt. then it's nice because if america says okay, you pray with your company, tomato, you can keep the areas with you, all right. the already have to over which last time we never go back because i have some business on that. in the dumbass that already has invested huge amounts of billions to meet the truck to and the people are fine with this. then we stopped the war and then later on he asked to leave you, what do you have on the timeline? and we, we have to negotiate by effects. because for me, my perspective i'm and the last 1015 years more abroad, i was proud to be a drum and i am proud to be your team by to my side of more as a global citizen. and what is you going on? you know, with the 2nd word, for most the job at 50000000 people from german and russia side died via so we live

and we loved each other. so all the administration from the rest of the sites is less aggressive. and i don't know, see their reason and why russia will go further to invade a sort of a into, to you, to europe. so the 1st step is to making these install these truly of the young people. there will be no tacit toby, as hopefully hopefully one is hopefully one of the outcomes of all this will be the end of nate, toward least so much more week. and one pie i've asked my guess over the last few weeks ever since the famous side trump uh, putting phone call. um, are we seeing witnessing a y'all to 2 point oh, an ice. and i, when i say you all to, i think of a, in a positive way. i know there are historians, i'd say it was a, a big trail. i think it was the 3 victor sitting down. that's what happens when you, when go ahead by. i don't think so because the,

the core mandates still involve isolating russia and weakening its influence as possible to jet that. just go back to the 1st term that used at the outset of the show. and what's it core here is that the term deal? whose deal? why? how are the russians supposedly and what like, where are the russians with regard to this mineral steel that i was referencing earlier? like a. okay, so, so lensky, they, yeah, he apologizes to trump the kids and make up. okay, let's have that minerals deal go through. let's finalize on that. and that you, what were you involving the russians where you involving any of the east. it's, it's like this is just like, literally someone screen writing and scratching the, the draft and throwing it away on a, on an hour by hour basis. i reiterate. we need to figure out who's genuinely in charge. we need to figure out who specifically, what their roles or what their influence is, are with regard to industry,

their commuting schedules, whatever we need to do, that's core mandate ahead of everything else that's for me. well, i mean, probably if i could and can stay with you here, but given what russia has demanded and it's all publicly known, people say, what do the russians want? what is boots and one, it's go to the kremlin, what inside you can find it is really easy here. i would tend desirable to i think i would submit to, to you my guess in my audience here, is it russia is going to get as pretty much exactly what it's demanded from the very, very beginning. why? because trump has no, he doesn't have high cards. when it comes to russia, but when it comes to everyone else, no one else has cards except for the russians and the americans 30 seconds before we finish off. yeah, just uh, the optics will continue to re emphasize why is that the latter we are putting is the new at all fiddler. now russia is the nazi germany. they are hell bent onto

taking over europe and then the rest of the world. and that is classic psychological projection from those who are actually genuinely running things from behind the curtains as transatlantic, with, yeah, effective i, i tend to agree, i mean be a, they've had a number of narratives that have fallen flat on their face. and that there's nothing that's going to stop them because they are the ones that started this and they will never take responsibility for as all the time we have gentlemen. and when i think my guess in london, germany and in los angeles. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our dc and next time remember, prospect rules

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