and illegally, the newspaper says legal ers to the paintings are being ignored. in the modern, independent member of the humber parliament on cultural journalists, martin don't receive compensation and reparations for the war time era have long been overlooked by germany. if you look in germany is the german government, the federal state governments always denied. they have the common practice. if it comes to money, whenever it comes to compensation payments, which are the cheese, refuse to make this payments. like now if they knew they should already have given so huge amount of money to the owners office pictures. and if you, for example, in 2015, i made a events and what was that sauce was the leak resistance fighter and gun most. and you can call them and to talk about that the general government owns

the population of some reparation payments due to the wall crimes where they didn't. ready their store and youtube, they just tried to bank of the industry and some costs increase, but they never paid it and they resist to pay it until today. so it's a common practice. it should be, it's illegal. and it's against human mankind july much. but it's unfortunately a color practiced by general government, by, by the federal state governmental area, as it seems as well. okay, before we go, some news coming in. israel has launch multiple or strikes on several areas in southern lebanon despite the ceasefire agreement with principal a, the, the media reports say it is the largest idea of attack since the 6 far came into effect last november

. these really military set a targeted sites were weapons and rocket launchers were located. i think that the positions posed a threat to his real on were in violation of the deal. no casualties have been it's not is, are up for this hour and our programs are just getting going. see what's showing wherever you're watching from right after the break. this is your are to introduce the, [000:00:00;00] the,

[000:00:00;00] the hello and welcome to cross talk. were all things are considered? i'm peter level. there's a growing consensus, but a deal is necessary to end the conflict and ukraine. this is progress. the problem is there is no consensus on what kind of deal that might be. trump demand to craig and negotiate with russia, the europeans and zelinski talk the language of peace while supporting more war, the cross sucking war and peace. i'm joined by my guest. doctor mirrors, i in london. he's a senior journalist at radio himalayan news in germany. we have toby as car and he is an entrepreneur and political analyst and in los angeles we have to pay e and he is an independent geo, political and macro economic analyst, or a gentleman cross lock rules and effect. that means and jump any time you want, and i always appreciated by you got up so early in the morning for us. we all

appreciate it very, very much. welcome to the program. i hope you've had at least one cup of coffee. all right, let's sort out what the deal is. the title of this program is deal. what deal? so a lot of progress has been made since that meltdown. and the oval office trump is demanding a deal. he has almost always gonna say almost all the high cards, he has all of the cards and he asked the table as well. so a deal is in train here. what deal could that be? because we have zalinski on x thing. ukraine is ready to come to the negotiating table as soon as possible to bring lasting piece closer. what does that mean to you? one week after this disastrous oval office meeting, go ahead pine or? yeah, i think the deal is ultimately if you read between the lines, it's an optical deal for the western world to save face. uh huh. after 3 years

after 3 years of a brutal more, that doesn't seem to be leading in the wes favor regardless of how many arguments resources or whatnot are being sent over. uh, so it is a deal essentially to say face, that's really why anybody in, in the public space is there. let's figure out, 1st of all, who's in charge. this is my broken record launcher every time i'm either on the show or anywhere else. maybe who's truly in charge because the landscape trump vance. rubio, storm or macro. all of these banking establishment, assign public figures are tactical distractions away from the actual atlantis has power structure which involves very private, truly in our older guards. literally, hell bent on seizing ukrainian, and ideally, ultimately, russian natural resources and state assets, ukraine's rare earth metals. you'll notice it's a deal, but it's a deal for piece, the price or the or the minerals, the rare minerals that of ukraine,

why ukraine's wearers. metals are valued at $11.00 trillion with a t, as in thomas trillion us dollars and truck unfortunately wants half of ukraine metal, the cranes metals for whom up though, for whom ultimately who is trustee? admirable agent who reassigned him to the white house for a reduction kissinger's, neo quarter uncle. mad man. siri of geo political influence who is constantly reorganizing bondholders for ukraine's debt right after that to 2014 cool. because the answers are pretty warm, are getting closer. they're consider also, they, ukraine's mineral deposits are globally significant because they offer diversification from surprise telling dominant producers of a rare metals like china. consider also the trans core mandate and being in power again involves separating russia from china as much as possible. and then you will get away from the distractions that, again, are tactical,

and are trans atlantic and, or in nature i, you know, so much of what you say, i agree with. i mean, i certainly business all a distraction if i can go to the doctor and dr. mirrors in london. and we've all been following on uh, the pronouncements coming out of european capitals nato land about, you know, you know, the, the ukraine, you know, as long as it takes, we've heard this mantra from biden. and now the europeans are saying, and i agree with what pi had to say, this is all a deflection. the it is last. they are going to make a lot of noise. they're gonna say, we're going to do everything for ukraine. we're going to, we're going to use the profits from stolen russian assets to funded, which is dubious in itself because they know they have lost and they want to turn around and say, we did everything we could. but trump decided, i think this a diversion right now, what do you, what do you think dr. maritza, or i totally agree with you because this is a diversion and the question is why they need a diversion?

what uh, what is causing them to talk about deals and diversion. when on thursday the you're being summer emergency somebody is being held. and in that summer, everyone is trying to force each other to pledge billions of dollars and it gives you 2 fund for the fund this the conflict and you come in. i think that the a says the american support has been away. this new trump administration has totally changed about it. i'm off the international donations in that regard. so you won't be in defense, but there is not enough to finance such a big project. i called su, green water project. it's a project basically that was planned for years and years, so they are now as well. i believe with each other. for money, i'm talking about bonded red,

rising taxes and all that is the science of adventures and is going to hit them back in their own countries because it is unemployment. there is poverty child poverty in the u. k. is on the rise like never before. and they are trying to fund a losing war. this is going to be a big question mark when it comes to british public opinion. next is the new chris military leadership is about this illusion. it's totally disillusion. they have no direction that they know they're fighting a losing lot and, and, and, and done the disciplined thing among the premiums isn't freezing. so i think this deal is just an excuse to buy a dime in the vehicle off the new american stats about this war. then this administration is blank, the distance itself from you, but in war because they have to address to their own deficits and economic is, is so they, they, they,

they have decided to go out. and now europe is in panic mode. and on thursday process, mcgraw has made a very dangerous statement is that we would also consider the possibility of using the nuclear data and the russian foreign minister has gone through that saying that this is a serious type bradshaw. so i think europe is busy, they're going mentor. yeah. they don't say they're going to be bolts on good. oh, yeah. the going to have a plans in the sky. one little place, shut down, but a russia is the target for a total. oh yeah. well the but that, that's if and only if all members of the alliance agree to article 5, donald trump is not going to do that. it will backfire on them. toby is, you know, one of the things that we keep hearing from western leaders and that not on the

american side of the atlantic, but it keeps talking about a ceasefire or a truce. and what's really strange about using those 2 words is that i'd cease fire a truce involved at least 2 parties. the part of it is not being consulted is russia and russia has said repeatedly, it is not i is not interested in a truce or a ceasefire. go ahead in germany. yeah, and thank you very much for my kind of perspective. i went through a rough ends in 2018. i'm. i think i'm kind of what did you pay to the person the other for my grandfather and i'm every time he was saying, if you don't know where i'm coming from, don't know where to go. so i will, i will, i will visit the restaurant and i also have joins in 2019 the premier. and i was a visit, an electrical box here and back in the days in fort from and uh, in, in, in washington, dc. and 4th floor, its everything has an economy with the reason. for my kind of perspective,

these ultimately resides which will cost from the 2nd world war. and after that i will custom fall in the 9090 and our install find that fails again to get a result of trust which i press the personally see. one of the most major good conditions of the 2nd world war will make these colorful and they, they signed the decrease that there is no men to the, to the east. and this not only from my kind of perspective i have seen and i also have good relationships to the d. c states and i'm also see. busy other than the enjoyment i'm on when it happens to gather the war. and i'm seeing the problem that say we talked me last the transfer and see why there was a made to with germany joins and also about your being members and 1965. and to be honest, after the iron custom for 1991 and you shouldn't have left nature. and we will just assume that

a service and different kind of organization to protect more in in can you better when i'm looking at, from the german perspective. if at this moment, you know, we have the object to 24 an hour basic law where we are allowed to, to join the organization to protect the piece in your. but then when, when, when you're seeing what was happening on the timeline in the years, and so now, and jonathan, germany was a, you know, i, i told sounds as if we had come to us by the americans. and toby, as the facts of the matter is germany is not a sovereign state, it does not control its sovereignty. it does not control its foreign policy. it does not control its security. and on top of it, most likely 99 percent. sure. the americans blew up your pipeline and what did germany say about it? what did germany do? they did, they expected? what is stupid because america is the biggest member in the nature of domains. the

2nd biggest them, they, bum, bum, bum. not wanting to disclose these economy comprises the problem is that i was already telling this in 2019 you need something in your black and, you know, own risk because of the 1812 random julio. and tried to call the restaurant and the type of waterloo then went out of supplier ends up in 94. and then from 1990 on to the right. now we have to be at the same because the major was only done for one purpose. the americans are needing this and they offering an open door policy. but what, what, what was the target to the store? and, you know, the, the open door policy was open to everyone except for russia. and that is the problem here. gentlemen, i'm going to jump in, we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break,

we'll continue our discussion on war and peace. stay with our team, the, the vehicle, please get a pen please let me put you through the put the, the, the were not too good. like most of those are right in the order to limit the more inventory. cuz i mentioned that enough for me with the navy in the but i to even i still have an order from nova,

just click on the shuttle to tell us where to click on. especially here, number one is our list. any sliced the home that is on key out of my brass mistress rescuer, a phone number or a one that sure and then can you hear me to get the patients that what is the the welcome back across stock. were all things are considered on peter lavelle to remind you were discussing war and peace. the, you know, pi i've been covering the issue of ukraine ever since the legal, over through all of the elected government in uh, february of 2014. so this is my 11th year and covering this crisis. and what i find really interesting and i've gone through it over and over again, i think i already mentioned you have done over a 100 programs on this topic alone. and how the narratives are always changing. ok,

rushes last, rushes. ukraine is winning. the russia is going to collapse in the matter of weeks . you know, all, you know, the, the rubel to rubble all of this nonsense here. but what's really interesting is what you're coming, what's coming out of european capitals. the panic is, is that it's not all it's, but it has no thing to do with ukraine. it is never had anything to do with ukraine as a political entity. i'm keeping in mind what you said at the beginning of the program . but western politicians, the europeans, they're desperate to keep the political west relevant because it is rapidly becoming irrelevant. go ahead by as a part of that relevancy and a boss, the attributes and for, you know, we just got trump back in for a 2nd term. and immediately it's the sense of uh, okay, i'm very pro or is administration and seemingly,

optically very pro russian. that is a tactical, good cop, bad cop being deployed once again. so in this past couple of weeks deployed a collectively, europe, as, as bad. cough look, we're going to re are look, we're going to find uh, $800.00 to $900000000000.00 us from somewhere in order to rearm. but trump and his administration, or ridiculing zelinski on the floor of the white house and demanding apologies out of him. this is all, yeah, i don't know if anybody who's over and in a position of influence across the entire your ation land mass is literally a genuinely fold by this parents or mine is too bulky theatre in order to confuse you're a good german guess. referenced, then you use so you did as well peter,

the sabotaging of the north stream one and 2. i would argue the prior sabotage was the removal of gerhard schroeder and escorting him on ceremoniously out of power for a much more complying miracle. why? because uh schroeder had the air to the ground for german industry and leaning closer to a naturally or logically, rationally towards your asian assets and, and forming alliances. well, we had 2 prior world wars to prevent a german, russo german, a alliance that's worked. that's fairly obvious, mertz coming in it's, it's a business to the new mandate. just to reiterate what i said earlier, is how best to separate russia and china to state ably and how to do so as soon as possible. and you crate to address the earlier question or point. uh, as is supposedly business, neo afghanistan opportunity to try and pierce russian resolve,

let alone it's economy, let alone it's military capacity to try and bleed russia drive as much as possible . that obviously is not working. and hence, the need to shuffle the deck here to have a newer approach that involves some of this. so this, the actress, you know, dr. mirrors in london of it let's you know, the big need this phase of the conflict. 3 years ago, it started in 2014, but when waste, let's use the starting point for our purposes, the special military operation. so you really had the collective west using ukraine is a proxy too weak in russia, as pie is already pointed out, that has an work is a matter of fact, i live here, it's strength in russia immensely, and made it actually richer. but now you have because european leaders again, after the meltdown in the oval office, so explained to me, sir, how europe thinks they can take on russia,

the united states and china all at the same time. i mean, what cool aid are these people drinking? go ahead. well, i think that there they are desperate they have that one because the 2 aspects to this that i can see number one is their domestic a failure to increase the g d b over the years and, and surviving on the bank of recession. the bank of slumps economics lumps in to people are doing outside of the banks every saturday, every sunday and people are going to the judges to get food from the food banks. and they're not talking about the government is talking about, you know, funding a lot that everybody knows is a proxy or you talk to someone on the street in,

in london and they discuss with them. they all love. this is they know it's a proxy more. and the reason that europe now is panicking, they want to dig on china and russia, and maybe in the near future, they're going to dig a home as good as well. because the last, the last, the law, this is not the time for more. this is the time to sit on dog. this is a time to negotiate. what have you learned from the 2nd world war? all of your was totally destroyed. now they want to do that again. they want to repeat the catastrophic disaster of landlord too. so they, these, you would have been leaders of selfish, they are equal centric, and they have no room in their heart for the people who they present on. well, i'm basically obviously in, over the last 3 years. so let's go to toby as in germany, nobody,

as far as i'm aware in europe voted for this proxy war. no one has ever asked the people and we have, we have political parties, election after election across the continent, populace parties on the left and right running against that. and then you have the radical center that will not deal with us, sometimes up to 3040 percent of the electorate. but it's against the consensus of b leads. i mean, it is becoming less and less democratic. ukraine certainly is not a democracy. go ahead, toby. yes, yeah, i'm seeing it in general and not so that's what i think the biggest, biggest information at all for. and this is also a road and it's a huge opportunity. the thing was only to weaken in, in general, and germany and in euro. because we had these ties to, was russia, the program, they said all the information which i presented in the media are not based on this test. so, and the whole thing is, we have like brain watch, you know, when you go to be also the movies back in the days read what this every time the

russians are, the bed and the americans and the rest of the lines of the goods. and also regarding right now that your views be sitting at the negotiating table for me, the most important thing is right now. so what i need is e, and it's trump is fine to do so to get a receipt. then it's nice because if america says okay, you pray with your company, tomato, you can keep the areas with you. all right, the already have to go over which last time we navigate back because i have some business doormats in the dumbass that already has invested huge amounts of billions to meet the truck to and the people are fine with this. then we stopped the war and then later on he asked to read you what the happens on the timeline. and we, we have to negotiate by effects. because for me, my perspective i'm and the last 1015 years more abroad, i was proud to be a drum and i am proud to be your team by to my side of more as a global citizen. and what is you going on? you know,

with the 2nd word for most the job at 50000000 people from german and russia side died via so we like and we loved each other. so all the administration from the rest of the sites is less aggressive and i don't really know see their reason and why russia will go further to invade a sort of a into, to, to europe. so the 1st step is to making these install these 2 layers of the young people to be, to talk to toby as hopefully, hopefully one is hopefully one of the outcomes of all this will be the end of ne, towards least so much more week. and one pie i've asked my guess over the last few weeks ever since the famous side trump uh, putting phone call. um, are we seeing witnessing a all to 2 point? oh, and i and i, when i say you all to, i think of it in a positive way. i know there are historians. i'd say it was a,

a big trail. i think it was the 3 victor sitting down. that's what happens when you, when go ahead by i don't think so because the, the core mandates still involve isolating russia and weakening its influence as possible to jet. that. just go back to the 1st term that used at the outset of the show. and what's it core here is the, the term deal. whose deal? why our, the russian supposedly involved like, where are the russians with regard to this mineral steel that i was referencing earlier. like a okay, so, so lensky that yeah, he apologizes to trump the kids and make up. okay, let's have that minerals deal go through. let's finalize on that. and that you, what were you involving the russians? where are you involving any of the east? it's, it's like this is just like, literally someone screen writing and scratching the, the draft and throwing it away on a, on an hour by hour basis. i reiterate. we need to figure out who's genuinely in

charge. we need to figure out who specifically, what their rules are, what their influence is, are with regard to industry, their community schedules, whatever we need to do, that's core mandate ahead of everything else that's for me. well, i mean, probably if i could and can stay with you here, but given what russia has demanded and it's all publicly known, people say, what do the russians want, what is boots and want? it's go to the problem on what side you can find. it is really easy here. i would tend to say about 2. i think i would submit to, to you my guess in my audience here, is it russia is going to get as pretty much exactly what it's demanded from the very, very beginning. why? because trump has no, he doesn't have high cards when it comes to russia, but when it comes to everyone else, no one else has cards except for the russians and the americans 30 seconds before we finish off. yeah, just uh,

the optics will continue to re emphasize. i said the latter we're putting is the new at off hitler. russia is the nazi germany. they are hell bent onto taking over europe and then the rest of the world. and that is classic psychological projection from those who are actually genuinely running things from behind the curtains as trans atlantic with yeah, effective i, i tend to agree, i mean be a, they've had a number of narratives that have fallen flat on their face. and that there's nothing that's going to stop them because they are the ones that started this and they will never take responsibility for it. it's all the time we have gentlemen. and when i think my guess in london, germany and in los angeles. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our dc and next time remember, prospect rules the

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