of the the the hello and welcome to cross stock were all things are considered. i'm peter level. there's a growing consensus that a deal is necessary to end the conflict in ukraine. this is progress. the problem is there is no consensus on what kind of deal that might be. trump demand to crane negotiate with russia, the europeans and zelinski talk the language of peace while supporting more war, the

processing war and peace. i'm joined by my guess. dr. mirrors i in london, he's a senior journalist at radio, himalayan news in germany. we have toby as conference. he is an entrepreneur and political analyst, and in los angeles we apply e and he is an independent geo political and macro economic analyst, or a gentleman, cross loc rules in effect. that means you can jump any time you want, and i always appreciate it by you got up so early in the morning for us. we all appreciate it very, very much. welcome to the program. i hope you've had at least one cup of coffee. all right, let's start out what the deal is. the title of this program is deal. what deal? so a lot of progress has been made since that meltdown. and the oval office, trump is demanding a deal. he has almost, i was gonna say almost all the high cards. he has all of the cards and he has the table as well. so a deal is in train here. what deal could that be? because we have zelinski on x thing, ukraine is ready to come to the negotiating table as soon as possible to bring last

thing piece closer. what does that mean to you? one week after this disastrous oval office meeting. go ahead pine. yeah, i think the deal is ultimately if you read between the lines, it's an optical deal for the western world to save face. uh huh. after 3 years after 3 years of a brutal more, that doesn't seem to be leading in the wes favor regardless of how many arguments resources or whatnot are being sent over. so it is a deal essentially to say, face, that's really why anybody in, in the public space is there. let's figure out, 1st of all, who's in charge? this is my broken record launcher. every time i be there on this show, or anywhere else. i mean, who's truly in charge because the lensky trump vance. rubio, storm or macro. all of these banking establishment. assign public figures are tactical distractions away from the actual atlanta's. this power structure which

involves very private, truly in our oligarchs literally hell bent on seizing ukrainian. and ideally, ultimately, russian natural resources and state assets, ukraine's rare earth metals. you'll notice it's a deal, but it's a deal for piece, the price or the, or the minerals, the rare minerals that of ukraine. why? you cranes where metals are valued at $11.00 trillion with a t, as in thomas trillion us dollars. and trump unfortunately wants half of ukraine metal, the cranes metals for whom up though for whom ultimately who is trustee? admirable agent, who re assigned him to the white house for a reduction kissinger's neil for uncle, mad man. siri of geo political influence who was constantly reorganizing bondholders for ukraine's debt right after that to 2014 cool, because the answers are pretty warm are getting closer. they're consider also,

they, ukraine's mineral deposits are globally significant because they offer diversification from surprise telling dominant producers of a rare metals like china. consider also the trans core mandate and being in power again involves separating russia from china as much as possible. and then you will get away from the distractions that, again, are tactical, and are trans atlantic and, or in nature i, you know, so much of what you say i agree with. i mean a, certainly this is all a distraction. if i can go to the doctor and dr. mirrors in london, we've all been following on uh, the pronouncements coming out of european capitals nato land about, you know, you know, the, the ukraine, you know, as long as it takes, we've heard this mantra from biden. and now the europeans are saying, and i agree with what pi had to say, this is all a deflection, the it is lost, they are going to make a lot of noise. they're going to say,

we're going to do everything for ukraine. we're getting, we're going to use the profits from stolen russian assets to funded, which is dubious in itself because they know they have lost and they want to turn around and say, we did everything we could. but trump decided, i think that's a diversion right now. what do you, what do you think, dr. maritza? i totally agree with you because this is a diversion and the question is why they need a diversion? what, what is opposing them to talk about deals and diversion? when on thursday, the european summer emergency somebody is being held. and in that summer everyone is trying to force each of those implants billions of dollars in a digital fund. further from this, the conflict and you could in, i think that the a says the american support has been away. this new trump administration has totally changed the battery time off the international nations in that regard. so

you won't be in defense, but there is not enough to finance such a big project. i called su, green water project and some project basically that was planned for years and years . so they are now as well. i'm dealing with each other for money. i'm talking about a bond that was rising taxes and all that, this kind of adventure to them is going to hit them back in their own countries because it is unemployment. there is poverty child poverty in the u. k is on the rise, like never before. and they are trying to fund a losing war. this is going to be a big question mark when it comes to british public opinion. next is the new chris military. leadership is about disillusion. it's totally disillusion. they have no direction that they know they're fighting a losing lot and, and, and, and done the disciplined thing among the premiums isn't freezing. so i think this

deal is just an excuse to buy a dime in the vehicle off the new american stats about this bought this administration is blank to distance itself from you, but a lot of because they have to address to their own deficits and economic law as it is so they, they, they, they have decided to go out. and now europe is in panic mode. and on thursday process, mcgraw has made a very dangerous statement. the said that we would also consider the possibility of using the nuclear data and the russian foreign minister has gone through that saying that this is a serious threat. bradshaw. so i think europe is busy, they're going mentor. yeah, it doesn't say they're going to be bolts on good. oh yeah. we don't want to have a plans in the sky. one little place, shut down, but

a russia is the target for total. oh yeah. well, the but that, that's if and only if all members of the alliance agree to article 5, donald trump is not going to do that. it will backfire on them. toby, as you know, one of the things that we keep hearing from western leaders and that not on the american side of the atlantic, but it keeps talking about a ceasefire or a truce. and what's really strange about using those 2 words is that i'd cease fire a truce involves at least 2 parties. the party that is not being consulted is russia and russia has said repeatedly, it is not i is not interested in a truce or a ceasefire. go ahead in germany. yeah, i mean, thank you very much for my kind of perspective. i went to a rough ends in 2018 i'm. i think i'm kind of what did you pay to the person the other for my grandfather and i'm every time he was saying,

if you don't know where i'm coming from, don't know where to go. so i will, i will, i will visit the restaurant and once i have joint in 2019 the premier and i was a visit and they like to watch in the days and forth from a in, in washington, dc. and 4th floor. it's everything as an economy to reason for my kind of perspective, visa all finally resides, which costs from the 2nd world war. and after that i will cut them fall in the 1990 and i'm going to start find that fast getting start to get a result of trust which i press the personally see one of the most major good conditions of the. busy the 2nd world war will make these colorful and they, they signed the decrease that there is no woman to the, to the east. and this normally from my kind of perspective i have seen, and i also have good relationships to the d. c states and them also see i was in the, in jordan, i'm on when it happens and gather the war. and i'm seeing the problem that say we

totally lost the transparency. why they wasn't made to, with germany joint and also about your being members and 1965. and to be honest after the iron custom for 1991. and we should have less names are and we will just so that is that list and different kind of organization to protect more in euro then of what i'm looking at from the german perspective. if at this moment, you know, we have the object to 24 hour basic law where we are allowed to, to join the organization to protect load the piece in your. but then when, when, when you're seeing what was happening on the timeline in the years, and so now, and jonathan, germany was a, you know, i, i said sometimes is we had called you guys by the americans. and toby, as the facts of the matter is germany is not a sovereign state,

it does not control its sovereignty. it does not control its foreign policy. it does not control its security. and on top of it, most likely 99 percent. sure. the americans blew up your pipeline and what did germany say about it? what did germany do? they do? they expected? what is stupid because america is the biggest member and the nature of the domains . the 2nd biggest um they bump, bump, bump. not seen wanting to disclose these economy comprises the problem is that i was already telling this in 2019 you need something in your black and, you know, own risk because of that 1812 random julio. and tried to call the restaurant and the type of waterloo then went out of supplier ends up in 94. and then from 1990 on to the right. now we have to be at the same because the major was only done for one purpose. the americans are needing this and they're offering an open door

policy. but what, what, what was the target to the store? and, you know, the, the open door policy was open to everyone except for russia. and that is the problem here. gentlemen, i'm going to jump in, we're going to go to a short break, and after that short break, we'll continue our discussion on war and peace. stay with our team. the take a fresh look around his life. kaleidoscopic isn't just a shifted reality distortion by tell us to do vision with no real opinions. fixtures designed to simplify will confuse the really was a better world. is it just because it shows if you fractured images, presented as 1st? can you see through their illusion going underground can

in 1941, the radical right wing was stone shall be nice. ation seized power and foam. the independent state of croatia, pull on 3 names, tense, what's kind of a problem with a still a system of these 3? i just got one of the main targets was children. historical sources say because tasha killed over 72000 children business it my god the nose up that of course i see you for a breakdown. they may have done one up front that you have just done with general goal of dish the dish. and again, that even the germans themselves were horrified by the atrocities committed by the stash reflection of that. so there's a lot to deal with global mistakes. a theme is that new style

structure. possibly it can be too tight not to allow me. so that's a little research on the welcome back across stock. were all things are considered non pete little about remind you we're discussing war and peace. the, you know, pi i bet, been covering the issue of ukraine ever since the legal over throw of the elected government in, uh, february of 2014. so this is my 11th year and covering this crisis. and what i find really interesting and i've gone through it over and over again, i think i already mentioned you have not over a 100 programs on this topic alone. and how the narratives are always changing. ok,

rushes last, rushes. ukraine is winning and the russia is going to collapse in the matter of weeks. you know, all, you know, they, the rubel to rubble all of this nonsense here. but what's really interesting is what you're coming, what's coming out of european capitals. the panic is, is that it's not all it's, but it has nothing to do with ukraine. it is never had anything to do with ukraine as a political entity. i'm keeping in mind what you said at the beginning of the program . but what western politicians, the europeans, they're desperate to keep the political west relevant because it is rapidly becoming irrelevant. go ahead by as a part of that relevancy involves the attributes. uh and for, you know, we just got got trunk back in for a 2nd term and immediately its this sense of uh okay, i'm very pro or as administration a seemingly optically very pro russian that is a tactical, good cop,

bad cop being deployed once again. so in this past couple of weeks deployed a collectively europe, as, as bad cough look, we're going to re our look, we're going to find uh $800.00 to $900000000000.00 us from somewhere in order to rearm. but trump and his administration, or ridiculing zelinski on the floor of the white house and demanding apologies out of him. this is all. yeah, i don't know if anybody who's over and in a position of influence across the entire your age and land mass is literally a genuinely fold by this pantomime. is kabuki theatre in order to confuse your a german guess referenced, then you use so you did as well peter, the sabotaging of the north stream one and 2. i would argue the prior sabotage was the removal of gerhard schroeder and escorting him on ceremoniously out of power

for a much more compliant miracle. why? because uh schroeder had the air to the ground for german industry and leaning closer to a naturally or logically, rationally, towards duration assets and, and forming alliances. well, we have to prior world wars to prevent a german, russo german, a alliance that's worked. that's fairly obvious. mertz coming in it's, it's a business to the new mandate, just to reiterate what i said earlier, is how best to separate russia and china to state ably and how to do so as soon as possible and ukraine to address the earlier question or point as is supposedly been as neo afghanistan opportunity to try and pierce russian resolve, let alone it's economy,

let alone it's military capacity to try and bleed russia dry as much as possible. that obviously is not working. and hence, the need to shuffle the deck here to have a newer approach that involves some of this. so this, the actrix, you know, dr. mirrors in london. very, it lets you know the big need this phase of the conflict. 3 years ago, it started in 2014, but when waste, let's use the, the starting point for our purposes, the special military operation. so you really have the collective west using ukraine is a proxy too weak in russia, as pie is already pointed out, that has an work is a matter of fact, i live here, it's strength in russia immensely, and made it actually richer. but now you have because european leaders, again, after the meltdown in the oval office. so explain to me, sir, how europe thinks it can take on russia, the united states and china all at the same time. i mean,

what cool aid are these people drinking? go ahead. well, i think that there they are desperate they have that one because the to aspect to this that i can see number one is the domestic a failure to increase the g d b over the years and surviving on the bank of recession. the bank of slumps the comics, lumps in to people are doing outside of the backs every saturday. every sunday people are going to the judges to get food from the food banks and they're not talking about the government is talking about, you know, funding a lot that everybody knows is a proxy lot. you talk to someone on the street in, in london, and they discuss with them. they all love. this is they know it's a proxy more. and the reason that europe now is panicking,

they want to dig on china and russia, and maybe in the near future, they're going to dig a home as good as well. because the last, the last, the broad, this is not the time for more. this is the time to sit in the dog. this is a time to negotiate. what have you learn from the 2nd world war? all of your was totally destroyed. now they want to do that again. they want to repeat the catastrophic disaster of learn award to sort of they these, you wouldn't be leaders of selfish. they are equal to the same thing. and they have no room in their heart for the people who they present on. well, obviously, obviously in over the last 3 years. so let's go to toby as in germany, nobody, as far as i'm aware in europe voted for this proxy war. no one is ever ask the

people and we have, we have political parties, election after election across the continent, populace parties on the left and right running against that. and then you have the radical center that will not deal with as a sometimes up to 3040 percent of the electorate. but it is against the consensus of b leads. i mean, it is becoming less and less democratic. ukraine certainly is not a democracy. go ahead. so abuse. yeah, i've seen it in general and not. so that's what i think the biggest, biggest information. all right, and this is also a road and it's a huge opportunity. the thing was only to weaken in, in general, um, germany and in europe. because we have these ties with russia, the problem is that all the information which are presented in the media are not based on this test. so, and the whole thing is we have like brain wash, you know, when you go to be also the movies. but in the days you have what this every time

the russians of the bed and the americans and the rest of the alliance of the goods . and also regarding right now that your views, i know you sitting has been negotiating taylor for me. the most important thing is right now, so what i need is the electronic assigned to do so to get a receipt. then it's nice because if america says okay, you pray with your company, tomato, you can keep the areas with you. all right? the already have to over with ross and we never get back because i have some business on that's getting the dumbass that already has invested huge amounts of billions to meet the truck and the people are fine with this. then we stopped the war and then later on he asked to read you what happens on the timeline and we, we have to negotiate by effects. because for me, my perspective i'm and the last 1015 years more abroad, i was proud to be a drum and i am proud to be your team, but i to myself, more as a global citizen. and what is you going on? you know, with the 2nd word for most the job at 50000000 people from german and russia side

died by a so we like and we loved each other. so all the administration from the rest of the sites is less aggressive. and i don't really know, see their reason and why russia will go further to invade a sort of a into, to you, to europe. so the 1st step is to making these install these 2 layers of the young people to talk to toby is hopefully, hopefully one is hopefully, one of the outcomes of all this will be the end of ne, towards least so much more week. and one pie i've asked my guess over the last few weeks ever since the famous side trump uh, putting phone call. um we see witnessing a y'all to 2 point oh, an ice. and i, when i say you all to, i think of a, in a positive way. i know there are historians, i'd say it was a, a big trail. i think it was the 3 victor sitting down. that's what happens when you, when go ahead by. i don't think so because the,

the core mandates still involve isolating russia and weakening its influence as possible to jet that. just go back to the 1st term that used at the outset of the show. and what's it core here is that the term deal? whose deal? why, how are the russians supposedly involved? like, where are the russians with regard to this minerals still that i was referencing early in? like a. okay, so, so lensky, they, yeah, he apologizes to trump the kids and make up, okay, let's have that minerals deal go through. let's finalize on that. and that, that you what, where are you involving directions? where are you involving any of the east? it's, it's like this is just like, literally someone's screen writing and scratching the, the draft and throwing it away on a, on an hour by hour basis. i reiterate. we need to figure out who's genuinely in charge. we need to figure out who specifically, what the rules are,

what their influence is, are with regard to industry of their community schedules, whatever we need to do, that's core mandate ahead of everything else that's for me. well, i mean, probably if i could and can stay with you here, but given what russia has demanded and it's all publicly known, people say, what do the russians want? what is boots? and once it's go to the kremlin, what inside you can find it out. it's really easy here. i would tend to turn out to, i think i would submit to, to you my guess in my audience here, is it russia is going to get as pretty much exactly what it's demanded from the very, very beginning. why? because trump has no 8 and it doesn't have high cards when it comes to russia, but when it comes to everyone else, no one else has cards except for the russians and the americans 30 seconds before we finish off. yeah, just uh, the optics will continue to re emphasize. i said the latter we're putting is the

new at off hitler. russia is been to nazi germany. they are hell bent onto taking over europe and then the rest of the world. and that is classic psychological projection from those who are actually genuinely running things from behind the curtains as trans atlantic with. yeah, especially if i, i tend to agree. i mean, b a they've had a number of narratives that have fallen flat on their face. and that there's nothing that's going to stop them because they are the ones that started this and they will never take responsibility for it as all the time we have gentlemen. and when i think my guess in london, germany and in los angeles. and of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our dc you next time remember prospect rolls, the

the, [000:00:00;00]

the at the end of the 18th century, great britain began to conquer and colonize australia. from the very beginning of the british penetration to the continent, natives were subjected to severe violence and deliberate extra patient. according to modern historians, in the 1st 140 years, there were at least 270 massacres of local b. both any resistance to the british was answered with double cruelty. hundreds of natives were killed for the murder of one settler. indigenous australians were not considered complete people. no wild beast of the forest was ever hunted down with such unsparing perseverance as they are. men, women, and children are shot when ever they can be met with squatter. henry myrick wrote in a letter to his family in england, in $1846.00 plus strategy as bad as these rightly described as blood soaked in

races. if at the beginning of colonization, there were one and a half 1000000 indigenous people living on the continent, then by the beginning of the 20th century, their number had degrees still 100000 people. despite the indisputable historical facts, the problem of full recognition of the crimes of white australians against aborigines has not been resolved so far. the action or tendency and welcome to going underground rule. gusting all around the world from the hearts of the middle east, where israel to the teeth by donald trump has launched a renewed siege and its genocidal war and gaza. that's when most of the world looks to the global economic superpower, china, which far at strips the usa and g d,

p by p b. today's the 3rd plenary, the 14th communist national people's congress, setting a growth target, a 5 percent, and increases in war spending by 7.2 percent. why the war spending arguably because of the old world? just days after a london, somebody's kicked off a decision by european that leads to a home for war on russia. and a donald trump spoke to both houses of congress, doubling down on his desire for peace. the you mentioned brussels, the extraordinary meeting was for you. it leads to arrange the impoverishment of you populations in the pursuit of war that as washington and moscow organize restoration of diplomatic relations, direct flights and easing of sanctions. joining me now is the daily form, remy pe, you along side mike wallace with array of voice and the european parliament against nature militarism. she joins me now from killed there in ireland class. thank so much for coming back on. how about this strange japanese newspaper, the financial times breathlessly talking as it has all week about the prospect for