it is necessary to decide, but only by military means, and the balkans - this is in general, especially serbia - this is the geopolitical mirror that needs to be looked into in time, and we could draw the right conclusions, but the fact is that the demonization of the whole people of its leader, who today we watched. after all, it took place in yugoslavia, and that is, today it is repeated. just for one or two do not change the same. if you look at the same developments. and why do you need them if they work, of course, well, we must be ready, so we are ready, but the problem is that we are ready here, because with us, practically, this time they acted very competently, they decided, what are they going to compete with the russians about, we will initially cut them off from any international media and if someone there dares to ask a question, then we will clean it up it turned out that it is possible here even the president of the united states to clean up social networks and that's all or let alone talk

about any journalists at all, uh, really, it doesn't matter if it's serbia or any other country. you're right that unfortunately the cliché methods and techniques don't change. i mentioned romania today. i remembered the episode from which the unrest actually began in romania in 1989. declared victims of local state security. it was called a secretary. and this actually became a reason for unrest. in bucharest, this was bypassed as well as in the story with e, the camp trendfield as well as today's story is larger than all the pages of the world's central newspapers. all tv channels, all inform agencies. this became a clear illustration of the bloody skal regime of the cheushists, who, to be honest , were, of course, far away. the image of the angel of god

but it was an absolute lie, and what still touches me in the west in the americans is that after a while they frankly tell the truth. you know how about. uh, here's a thimbleman, who then begins to explain the victim with a popular crap, it's like me i hid this ball, i took it out of my sleeve , time passed, about 15 years. after these events, west german journalists made a big film about the events in romania, in which whole different people spoke, including the then hungarian prime minister, the head of the secret services in the united states, including the rather well-known one of the cia senior officials, milton birton, and birdom told the camera about how they brought these corpses from different mortuaries of romania, which had to be given out as victims, of the bloody regime bloody executioner ushesku, and from this all these events began. i mean, some time will pass, of course, and there will be those who want to talk about their own. deeds of valor of the past, they

did it before, but better, of course, earlier. i have a rather complicated attitude to this whole informational situation of recent times. well, of course it was possible. mm, it was really possible to counteract information more actively, to make a coordinating structure, but let's look objectively. and first, we we counteract the force that makes a show of war, no matter what happens at the front. well, by and large, it doesn’t matter at all what is happening even in the rear, and some kind of moral decay is actually enough to look at their own shots, which they themselves upload, that it is so important to create a therodefense that a show is given out of it every day, but i'm not sure that we could compete, here in the productions of such shows. yes, and we do not need to do this and the second point. mm, you need

to understand one very simple thing. and here, if look at something, but at the information situation from such an absolutely cynical professional point of view, then we are dealing with an absolutely totalitarian structure, for which people are rubbish. you can kill , you can kill your own, you can torture strangers, you can kill anyone at all. these people were just decorations walking today, here they put it in a bucha. tomorrow it can be placed anywhere. it's all absolute. well , what is called the optionality of a republican. yes, you can do it anywhere. these people think. uh, you know how these people think political clips. yes, i think the truth is that the next one will not be read in republican. i think the next production will be for these specific people, ie hmm. these are obviously anglo-saxons. but uh, it will be

somewhere in europe and i think it will be no less bloody than in gucci but we must understand that if we are fighting a totalitarian, essentially oriented system, this system is oriented towards the destruction of our own by and large. not to mention the destruction of us as a society, as a state, as a people, then we must fight properly. we have to understand that we are not fighting some kind of low intensity war, we are fighting a war for our survival, so in this sense, i do not want to say that all means are good. but what we need is a very serious, internal mobilization and concentration of resources, in my opinion. uh, quite obviously. in my opinion. it is necessary to stop internal laxity, including information policy. and here i must say

that in general, there are very good manifestations. i would not like to call now. there are some specific signs, so as not to jinx it, exclude something, but i see some encouraging signs, not just a few words about the outer contour. to me today one person is not a very public analyst. so, well, he writes, but he tries not to be public. he asked one such simple question dmitry and what do you think, how europe will roll back from this hysteria, but europe is not going to roll back from this hysteria and is dispersing it. here latvia the great was lowered, and the level of representation was removed germany sent out declared non grata 40 of ours embassy staff. they are not going to back down. they are not going to roll back and all our attempts to continue to be good to continue to be

such you know reliable partners in the supply of goods that are important to them. well, it starts to smack of a very big human, and in some ways even political naivete. hmm, because, well, if you look at gas, what they have done in the last month. they scored like the cursed vaults. they think they've scored enough. uh, storage for the summer. they think they're in right in terms of another plan. yes, from the point of view of their internal capabilities. now, right now, to bring them a barbie. they won against us a month a month ago. they didn’t have such confidence, so i say it again. hmm, absolutely necessary. awareness both in our political class and in our society and in our business community of the fateful civilizational

significance of what is happening now we are not fighting by and large, for some kind of colony for some kind of world domination, this is all blah blah blah we we are at war with an absolutely totalitarian system in which ukraine is just a very small element. very small, which, by the way, no one feels sorry for, but we are fighting for our own survival. and the survival of all. and now, when we realize this, then many organizational issues, by the way, i very much agree with much that sergey alexandrovich said. hmm, they will begin to be resolved much faster. i guess i'll start by saying that i understand why we want to be reliable partners. and this is quite an understandable thing, it's all about that we, just like we are fighting, not only for our own survival, but also for human dignity in general, the future is surrounded by absolutely totalitarian regimes, which are from well,

almost classical liberalism. there, the eighties ran very quickly the road to an absolutely totalitarian regime, and not even an authoritarian one, but a totalitarian one that controls every step of a person. each of his body movements, even rolls. and even there the economy is very strongly screwed up with all sorts of ideological and clan squabbles, and in this sense, well guys and here is reliable and safe. here we are people who keep their promises. generally speaking, even in a sense, this is one of the distinguishing features of our president, which is recognized even by all western leaders. even those who don't like him. that he did not break any of these promises, and in this sense, russia will survive will undoubtedly become the center of gravity. i think it is. here, a really big state move in the

sense that it's all later to remember another thing, what do you understand? i agree that something is going well with the work with information we somewhere. well, for example. the american press, as if out of its mind, analyzed the scheme for 3 days, so to speak, i will introduce our gettab about hunter biden and the biolaboratory in the states even washington and in fact even the washington post said. well, yes. well , something here yes, yes, but it's not important. well, protect the hanbaev. that is, in general, this is how i am. it seems to me that no one even counted on this. she suddenly hit the target another thing that stands here the question is, so to speak, there is goal-setting. why do we need, as it were, their media. but as for our closest e, so to speak, in fact, neighbors, including those who live, so to speak, in ukraine, it brings, if those countries that go, so to speak, there are our dkb, which are part of the eaeu, well, there is work, in general, as

it were not delivered in any way. well, as if all the people who are professionally involved in the cis know that the horse has not been lying there, there have been only reports for a very long time. and most importantly, i watched the video of the ministry of defense addressed to the inhabitants of ukraine, a wonderful video made that we are soldiers of the russian army. we are the world in it. and then we will guarantee everything to you, and then it will be very beautiful and well filmed. this is generally a professionally done question. it's just not clear who we are. what are we fighting with, is the negative part spelled out normally? why are we there now, your oligarchs, in general, now your all sorts of natseks, these very ones, we will cut them all . and we'll bring it to you what? here again the same same same sasha model and what the idea there, what and what kind of economic strategy, because you understand what's the matter, it's not just that it appeared burning about right now, because

the whole world is collapsing, which has stood from the eighties of the last century to the present day. this is acknowledged by the americans themselves. it is collapsing ideologically, it is collapsing culturally, and it is collapsing, including economically , everything is collapsing that is being replaced. well, the chinese only explained something to themselves and their neighbors in one understandable language. well, the neighboring partial, yes. we also have to explain, but if the chinese at least they explained it, so they are now chinese subjects of the middle kingdom. understandable often. very many even highly educated reading our people are not very clear. what are we going to do in this situation? well, well, this is the reality; in fact, we are reliable partners. reliable partners once again this is for those germans who later run away in russia , seryozh well, how they run away, how they fled the whole history of russia confirms your thoughts. so this

is sadness, right? so uh we are in general, in a sense, yes, and should be comfortable, but like this to say. here is this here, as if the situation does not exist. i want to say here, so in fact, in fact, now this needs to be done urgently. that's why because this bucha arose. it was not for nothing that bucha arose, just the very moment when orban called zelensky an enemy, when he said that he would not succumb, so to speak, to the globalist, liberal elite, when the macron’s rating began to fall absolutely sideways, when it became clear that all this one, so to speak, when already, when even in the american press right-wing preservatives started writing. the guys you got from zelensky, the nazis are fighting in azov, this is just a few editions. and at this moment, at this very moment, it appeared at this very moment that our positive part is very important. and here we are, and you know her, here i am, listening to what you are talking about, colleagues from the majority absolutely agree with you and i think, that's what how many people and not only from outside our

country, but also inside it, including and in the elite in the leadership is now dreaming of destroying the president of our country, the supreme commander in chief, who is essentially the main guarantor of the operation. if i knew these names vladimirovich do not hesitate. i have the ability to do it directly. now i am not speaking from the position that i know the list of participants in this conspiracy or i know who is included in it. i understand the mentality of many people who are in power, because, alas, it is so arranged at all times that the ruling elite is to a large extent. those for whom the resource is the main meaning of life, and for the sake of this resource they are ready. at in general, anything. they were communist yesterday. then they burned their party cards and became democrats, then they changed their colors into republicans, from them into liberals, and so on, and i understand. today, what i am talking about is, unfortunately, no longer paranoia, it is absolutely a reality, and therefore the topic of restoring order within the country is very important. it is, in my opinion,

one of the most important. this is a long conversation. i really hope that we will come to him. now watch the new issue of the program nikita mikhalkov in the besogon of the causes of today's renaissance of nazism we'll be back in the studio right after. dear friends, i welcome you to our new edition of the author's besogon tv program, which will be called where the legs grow from. i think that in the end you will understand. why it is called so, of course, according to tradition in the first place. i want to thank you for your attention to our program. it is really surprising for us, because here is the previous issue, together with russia 24 russia 1

and youtube, you watched, and more than 16 million people. well, it's a gigantic audience. generally for a rather modest programme, so i am very grateful to all those who joined us in the conversation that we had and i really hope that you will continue to be interested in what worries us, because i hope this worries tv with which i wanted to start the conversation. i try to understand cause-and-effect relationships. you probably noticed it. i'm interested not just and not only, uh, to evaluate a fact of some kind, to find out and retell it. let's say or show me, i wonder where why this happens? where does this or that come from? event phenomenon and so on. well, and, probably, all of you have heard, including myself, that there is an opinion that

what kind of nazis in ukraine are nonsense. everything, it's a fantasy. and, all the more so, outside the borders of our motherland, there are schwarzeneggers, who just don’t reproach them yet. eh, us. e is that everything that is happening and everything we are talking about neo-fascism is born. in the middle of europe, it’s like, uh, it’s considered fake, and so on. and so we decided to sort it out a bit. and how from where what why now in our past issues we talked about those atrocities committed by bandera during the great patriotic war. i do not want to injure you once again with a detailed story. just. well, remember on november 9, 1943, a polish village overgrown in the sarny region by a gang of ukrainian

nationalists. pretending to be soviet partisans misled the villagers, who during the day treated the gang in the evening, the bandits surrounded everything until they killed me. in them, the polish, the population were killed 173 people. only two were saved, who were littered with corpses and a six-year-old boy, who pretended. killed well, as you know perfectly well, that at the end of the war, after our victory, for quite a long time more. uh, or smaller groups still committed atrocities, uh, on the territory of ukraine and not only on the territory of ukraine they were caught, but, nevertheless, during these years after the war, when there was a fight against them, a lot of people died. well, as you remember, we also talked about this, that in 1946, on the square of the

current square of the former kalinin square, there was a completely public execution of the most brutal killers on whose hands was the blood of thousands of people, it is to remember civilian prisoners of war for destruction. not cities and cheerful slavery population of soviet ukraine guided by article - two of the criminal code of the ussr and articles 296 297 of the criminal procedure code of the ussr military tribunal grigory dead bones through standing comrade commandant. bring the sentence to execution. again, this was in

1946. it would seem that the matter was closed punished the most terrible killer someone was caught. uh, one of them died, someone was serving his punishment. moreover, so to speak, a long-term long -term punishment and quite naturally the question arises. and where, if all this, so to speak, is rooted out, where, in 40 years, with such speed and with such certainty, a new nazism grows, huh? and there with all the attributes with imperial stripes with torchlight processions with bandera greetings with the official posthumous awarding of stepan banderev. uh, the title of hero of ukraine and so on.

where did this come from and here we tried to figure it out. now i will introduce you to a very interesting document, of course, probably, historians know it, but i think that the majority. uh, especially the younger generation about it i have no idea i fell into the hands. the book, the publicists of the historian yevgeny spoke, is called khrushchev’s spoke, the slush is about a document that was signed by a on september 17 , 1955, 46. when the official operation against the bandera bandits was completed, so to speak, this fifty-fifth is called a decree on the amnesty of soviet citizens who collaborated with the invaders during the great patriotic war of 1941-45. this decree was

signed by the chairman of the presidium of the supreme soviet of the ussr, kliment voroshilov, and the secretary of the presidium of the supreme soviet of the ussr, nikolai pegov. i think it makes sense to quote a small fragment of this document to make it clear. what is it about. i read, considering the termination of the state, the military between the soviet union and germany and guided by the principle of humanity. he considered it possible to apply an amnesty to the highest state body of the country. for those soviet citizens who, during the great patriotic war, due to cowardice or irresponsibility, were involved in cooperation with the invaders in order to provide these citizens with the opportunity to return to an honest working life and become useful members of socialist society, the

winner of the supreme soviet of the ussr decides to release them from places of detention and from other penalties persons sentenced to up to 10 years in prison, including for complicity committed during the great patriotic war enemy and other crimes provided for by such and such articles of the criminal code of the rsfsr and the corresponding articles of the criminal codes of other union republics, and so on. to release from places of detention, regardless of the term of punishment, persons convicted of serving in the german army by the police and special german formations, to release from further serving their sentences of persons sent

into exile or exile for such crimes, despite the fact that sabotage against the red army and attacks from outside. oh, this is an organization of ukrainian nationalists and upa is ukrainian rebel army continued until the mid-fifties for 10 years of fighting omsk. in the underground in 1945 to 1955, 25,000 servicemen of the state security organs of the police and border guards were killed. 22,000 people from among the soviet party activists, this is already after the war. that is, look. this document was signed in september 1955 at a time when the atrocities were still going on, in fact

, two years have passed since stalin's death, all this time is going on. a bloody battle for leadership in the country and in the party. naturally , nikita sergeevich khrushchev turned out to be the closest chair of the general secretary at that time; look at the amnesty decree signed in september. fifty-fifth year, and in february fifty-sixth, 5 months later, the twentieth party congress takes place, at which nikita sergeevich khrushchev reconnoiters stalin's personality of repression, and so on and so forth, a legendary speech that, in general, turned the minds of a huge people, that is, in other words. these murderers, criminals for the people became victims stalinist repressions, and now the question is after these criminals, these murderers, were amnestied.

they suddenly became different, as was said by full members of society. here is the document. these are the words of one of the leaders, he is vasily, we are quoting him from this book, the khrushchev period of the struggle. with a pistol and a machine gun finished, another period has come. a period of struggle for youth. the period of growing into soviet power with the aim of its rebirth under bolshevik slogans. our goal is to penetrate all possible posts, as much as possible to be in the leadership of industry transport education in the leadership of the youth to instill in the youth everything national that is why the leadership of the country. a huge stream of immigrants from the

western ukrainian regions poured in, by the way, among whom was the first president of ukraine, leonid kravchuk, and that is why in 1991, even before the belovezhskaya path, the military registration and enlistment offices of ukraine began to call people of military age and officers who were supposed to sign a document that they are ready in case of war with russia to fight with russia. you just imagine the tasks facing the upa and he before the bandera people, which they performed openly. during the great patriotic war began to be performed. from neatly imperceptibly under the bolshevik slogans, in fact, what he

wrote, vasily zastavny, but this seemed to khrushchev not enough. he had a powerful active protection and support for his power. gives, crimea ukraine then seemed. come on, what is here, crimea is not here, crimea is ukraine but it's the same as shifting from one jacket pocket to another into a notebook book, it seems, and nothing special, but later it turned out that all this had deeper roots, more sinister roots. and all these years we have not seen anything. we do not realize that since 1991, american instructors have been educating the ukrainian army, by and large, ukrainian nationalists and american philanthropists. the foundations are engaged in the upbringing and education of ukrainian children.

what does this lead to? liberated volnovakhas in the school library there were textbooks for the eleventh grade in these textbooks russian are recognized as enemies by aggressors, occupiers, and residents of donbass write that they are terrorists who act on the orders of russian curators in children's textbooks, teach battle formation and nato tactical schemes and tell how to provide assistance with bullet wounds, and these manuals are prepared on the basis of various nato manuals and the usa about it, it is honestly written in the bibliography, see. and here it is in the history textbook for the tenth eleventh grade. listen. here is its cover here we see

a photograph of the ukrainian military during the great patriotic war. and here they also write that they defended german cities from bombardments. well, i guess from the bombing, probably from the soviet union, the defenders are scrolling further. here we see a comparison of stalin and hitler. and i also found another article that said that stalin was an ally of hitler and how bad he was. but they were good, they fought, as it were, with the germans and at the same time, they fought and against the soviet union in a specific project, these bandera people. here we also see ukrainian pilots in ss uniform in the form of german soldiers. that is, as long as we trade in oil and gas, as long as we are confident that our relations are truly fraternal, they cannot be destroyed, the americans are investing more than $5 billion in children.