what are the negotiations with the real power that will be? we must understand that it will be so motley and most often it will consist. i remember, for example, there is a mayor of uzhgorod of such years, where 10-15 years ago these were such specific guys from the border. it's all about smuggling. that is, i, uh, well, yes, and if you remember mukachevo, vasily is also no better. this is a very specific regional elite with which we have to negotiate. and what is very important. here i turn to the main thesis. that's when you went when bandera here in this, upa as a whole, yes, and there by 80% they were ordinary bandits, there are up to 100,000. but those who were in the destruction battalions, the so-called nkvd assistant hawks, were up to 200,000, therefore, to complete this low-lying nazism, to clean it all up. it will be, first of all, life-giving people. the people themselves. them. we must help. this is the probability of the institutions. probably they need help and it is necessary to

negotiate with them what is happening now in raisins in kherson, where the russian troops of the russian administrations at work places - this is active with civilians and shows them that we really came to liberate it is of tremendous importance, we , uh, yes, it’s unpleasant for us when various mantras of ukrainian propaganda go west from the series there, russians kill, rape, quantity, and so on with those . we have not yet agreed where the tower will work with local residents local residents from mariupol from raisins from the liberated territories of the lpr dpr from the kherson region. well, they perfectly see who is bombing them, who treats them like second-class people, if at all, to some people and who treats them as their own citizens. this is how it turns out that the russian federation is offering humanitarian aid, helping to save people, treat them as if they were their own, and this is the main guarantee. where is the nosification of this territory. and all the territories that we will liberate further about the fact that different forms of

denocification are being discussed, they are needed and possible, yes, with different terms and so on. well, here's a change of attitude. yes, this is one of the forms and you are right here, maybe one of the most important. at least at this stage, definitely one of the most important. yes, you, if you believe the razumkov center, and this center brought sociological research yesterday and wondered. but the people who leave ukraine from ukraine, let me remind you, according to the data, he has already left more than four and two tenths of a million refugees abroad. and about 10 million are internally displaced persons. so the zamkov center says that more than 50% of those who left and are leaving are residents of just the south and east of ukraine, kharkov region, zaporozhye region, not about the nikolaev region of odessa yes, and then there is another uh, the study asks people, and in what language? you speak in everyday life about 63 people and a percentage of these

people who are refugees speak russian at home, what i'm talking about is that just when you say that russian russian speakers or russians who live in the southeast, waiting for the russian army. they don't wait, they run. they leave those, like all cities. this is not a village. this is me thought. i want you know that i want you support, they run away there. yes, but you know what they're running from. you are not. i generally wait a guest. i beg you, once again, please do not speak at the same time as me. we will not be able to talk, then the audience will not understand anything. here you are again. i say, you're purring something again, and the microphone is, well, it's just not right. now look, i'll tell you, they are running, really really running, but you just need to answer questions. well, what are they running from, they don’t want to be

held hostage in these cities, the nazis of azov, formed standard. your troops have locked up, mariupol, your troops have locked kharkov and are hiding behind these people. west even those who can say says that the absolute technology. uh, using human shields, these people don't want to be human shields. and why did they live there until february 24, they didn’t leave anywhere, because there were no hostilities, and no one of them started hostilities in ukraine, he began hostilities 8 years ago. that is, are you saying donetsk can be, but in kharkov zaporizhzhya i can’t sew on this topic. and you did they just say that now? i said that on february 24 , a completely different military military operation began on the part of the russian federation and the people who lived in kharkov zaporozhye in odessa nikolai they got up and left and they

left anywhere, whoever well done that left, because otherwise the nazis would have them covered up, yes, their deaths have different logic for you and me. we have not agreed here, the obvious logic. i have thousands of living people before my eyes. saved, thank god in mariupol and telling all this with tears on eyes on the brink of sincerity. these people are also saved. well done to us. from what they are saved in the fighting from being used by their so-called defenders as human shields. that's what they save from. just short literally. yes, there is another figure for now, how many of them, after the end of hostilities, will return to the war under the russian administration. here is very important. history. you see, now vasily let's be honest. yes, looking at what's going on, well end the war. well, only by winning. here you go now it’s like this, only now all the

nato countries in western europe, especially the united states of america, they are looking at what is happening. they arm you on one side. it is understandable to inflict damage on russia, uh, that means supporting ukraine , uh, as much as possible and to impose sanctions on all fronts for a longer time and so on to demonize , uh, arrange these storms. forgive such a pun yes , that's understandable. but still in my opinion. they are watching very closely. and what can russia do? and how will it show itself now precisely on the battlefield precisely in combat operations, what is how what works and so on. they are now carefully studying all this under a microscope. all of you as already. sorry, guinea pigs, in this case, and as a cannon fodder healing victim. the west, which is not a pity pay attention to vasily zhert, which they do not

pity, and now where, but here the subtle word sacrifice has several meanings. well, the fact that they put you to the slaughter, and in this sense the victim. i absolutely agree with this. you are more careful with words, because they put to the slaughter as a sacrifice to their world domination. you understand this is a victim. you are a terrible thing now we are saying for uh, the west is a victim. do you really want to be a victim? no, after the world has seen the picture, there will be a bunch, do not disgrace yourself, please, please do not tear, please, yes, sergey, very short remarks in continuation of your words about european ideology. you can imagine that all of europe for england is the east look at the map, why did they gore all the time from france, so to speak, and with those government, which in western europe who is there older and farther central europe

disdainfully look at our far eastern europe but that's how we moved to western europe to eastern europe look at the circus to the west they look down on us. look and they will call the capital. everything is clear, brothers slavs, so to speak, and in ukraine the same thing. who lived in the west, they are serfs for the poles, and here should be their serfs, closer to the east. and this is the common european ideology. here's how look with west to east. here it is developing, and therefore this is one of the mysteries of the events taking place. this is clearly noted. by the way, by the way, when poroshenko said at the time. and i was very hard on it when it happened. that's because he actually, well, ruined the idea. uh, well, as if some ukrainianness, poroshenko ruined it. she might have been able to do something. yes, no one, but when poroshenko said that i, for sure,

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we look at the history of russia in the application or on the website for free without registration. what are you doing here? i live here. what are you doing here the bride of the divisional commander on saturday and sunday at 12:45. on channel russia 1 we continue our discussion. here we have such a very important and interesting topic, who wants to find ways to settle it, yes, and somehow close the topic. and who wants to continue the war everything is already quite clear, it has become clear. and here these are precisely these wars, so that ukraine is still

destroyed by one of the guests. today i accurately formulated to the full, so to speak blood. everything has to happen there. it's interesting how it is even publicly demanded in america by the so-called, well, on the one hand, society, and on the other hand, a very specific society, because the head requires it. well, what is called the down's government pool, the pool of journalists. look. why should the image evoke a reaction from the worldwide united coalition? you mean war? explain to me what you mean, of course, the military response led by the us and partners to put troops on the ground with zhanat well , the president described exciting things. you called them atrocities. you said maybe you should prepare for the worst. why not? make

a decision that is in the national security interests of the united states and the american people, namely not going to war with russia do everything in our power to hold them accountable hold up efforts through international systems is aimed precisely at this and to provide military assistance to help ensure the security of the ukrainian people and the ukrainian government war with russia well, here are all the interesting facts from this dialogue, all the facts are interesting. yes, because on the one hand, this incredible fighting enthusiasm. and thirst after all to solve the russian question, however you like, yes, which comes once again i say from the one who heads the entire pool of journalists admitted to the white house, but on the other hand. this is the detachment of the psaki. yes, who says, well, ukraine itself and itself can decide. by the way, you bragged about it. well, think about it in reverse

. yes, well, that means she herself, and the president of the united states will deal with all matters, based on the national interests of the united states. so, in my opinion, everything is very, very significant, what is actually what he had to learn zelensky from his masters. to think about the national interests of ukraine , but, in my opinion, it was not characteristic of him, poroshenko, he was not the only one thinking about the pocket and the second glory world there. oscars and graham e. but there is another very important place at the psaki. she talks about military assistance to the ukrainian people and the ukrainian government. she is well done that she is divided into completely different things, because the ukrainian people now need to do everything to make this government disappear. i've heard it in the past. uh, the previous part of your program came to its senses today is literally a whole day about it. uh, why uh

, the citizens of ukraine, knowing that a special military operation is underway, do not leave. and why are there so many people stay in the cities? eh, i'm not talking about the dondans. it's just a stubborn character. we will not leave, we will be until the end, and here are other cities. they still don't understand. so far, i’m really there , our guys, they say they are talking about azov. i heard such a thing. hmm, they didn’t understand that these were not their guys. they still do not understand that the first is interested in their destruction. these are the so-called guys from the national battalions and from the armed forces and let's used, let's add it to this picture as how to convey to them, you understand, it's difficult. here you are not should not simplify the situation, because what i still know from the cities. well, first of all, my friends don't get in touch with me, they don't get in touch. and if they go out, not because they kind

of broke everything with me, they go out very underground very rarely and immediately erase in messengers. well, yes. well, they are absolutely right. yes, because you know what the mass says. in what cities catching those who can be accused, uh, of being pro-russian, and look, i know there are facts up to the fact that there are collectors of stamps or well orders, yes or is something else being robbed under this pretext? uh-huh and where there are soviet orders, yes, russian and so on rob, and they disappear. yes , the most powerful comes from these guys of ours , literally the most powerful gestapo. yes, the gestapo pressing is just a cleansing going on in these cities. moreover, well, she blames someone for being pro-russian. it doesn't matter,

because it's still grounds for robbery. of course i can twice. yes, of course, i’ll give one example , connected with my stay in donetsk at some point in altai, one called me, zakharchenko i i say, listen, you need to deal with one story. what does he get out of the closet? uh, a large shoebox from under and a huge boot opens it, it is full of orders and medals. he says we took the sbu colonel at the exit, he took it with him, and there are such orders not for children and the great patriotic war, there are other miners' orders, the vast majority of numbers. as we compiled the lists, we sent them, and the second one is even more important, and again. i hope they will hear this program in ukraine when my neighbors in donetsk were returning. uh, on the other side of their phones scanned without picking up and calculated the numbers that they have numbers in the book. e place of public services. they were brought to the sbu remotely,

so don’t just erase, i’d rather walk around without a phone, in general, so you understand. look, the question of departure is also important, because you are on the road exactly like that. will stop subjected to their procedures and it is not yet a fact that you will not be robbed and shot on the road, for any reason, yes, which only can. therefore, your correct question has a lot of directions for an answer. here it is necessary understand. it's like a phenomenon that now we are constantly talking about varieties of ukrainian nazism bandera. actually. there are several varieties at the heart of always betrayal. see. now i affirm that the stage of petliurism is underway. that is, it is under the guise of an organized army, which does not have the formation of these very armed gangs. and banderovich is the next stage. this is already, as it were, a stateless form of terrorism. well, that's the point. yes, and there is also the very first form, oh, which must be remembered, who led to this, which now we have petliurism. let me remind you how petliura ended.

he himself surrendered western ukraine to a pole. i gave it up myself. yes, but the root cause of this is basic, generally betrayal. elite is mazepin. that is , when you somehow penetrate, as if your own, into the system, including the imperial one, yes, and inflict a sneaky blow, when not in the back contrary to the interests of your people, therefore, these are the reasons and what is very important to me when we analyze here these are the consequences these consequences have what called benefit recipients are the beneficiaries of the people who made money from it. first , they took away the factories, and then they gave this nazi pack the opportunity to rob people, that is, at first they used them for their economic raider interests, and then they also let them down on people, that is, this is a more complicated process. you know, dmitry, when we discuss the course of negotiations and in general everything connected with them, i would not like people to have the illusion that as a result of these negotiations, it is possible to decide the conflict, which, in my opinion,

cannot be resolved by negotiations. that's just not possible by definition. well, i won’t talk about what boris johnson’s position, for example, is for me. yes , it is much more important than the position of rakhami or there, uh, a podoliak or there, uh, tymoshenko, who directly takes the fate? you are in these negotiations. in my opinion, these negotiations. the parties needed them to solve not those strategic tasks that were designated by the parties, but to solve certain technical problems in the course of reference. here in the course of hostilities. like here, let's say, there are green corridors for the withdrawal of people, there or there are some other technical issues. why, i think so, because i carefully followed the rhetoric of ukrainian politicians. yes, well, at least these 2-3 days, and i see that no constructive at all can be seen on the settlement of the politician through diplomatic means, that

is, through negotiations. not not at all, not even absolutely planned. i see how it is now. now the active phase of hostilities has gone to no, i see how the groysmans and appreciators of the powder and rhetoric again appear on the political scene. they haven't changed a bit. it hasn't changed at all, absolutely again. we must fight to the last. we have a chance. eh, so to speak, joining nato structures is a unique chance that we should, that is, absolutely nothing has changed. and the last thing, i am not sure that even if we theoretically assume that we will be able to agree on something on paper. she assures. what is it here? well, finally for these 8 years. yes ukraine at least put something on paper, than you can see and feel. yes, that is their offer. agree. yes, i agree, but even if i agree and sign on these issues, i have absolutely no conviction that

zelensky and his government are generally capable of implementing any agreements, uh, that can be reached during negotiations. and one more thing that i would like to draw attention to, of course, is the team of zelensky, possibly amateurs in state administration. even to argue nothing, but they should not be underestimated. they're professionals in the film industry, they've been doing it all their lives. and when we talk about the fact that e their propaganda works. yes, does she work? why because, a they have tools inside ukraine, russia doesn't have such tools inside ukraine, and b why is it working now so effectively. and if we are talking about the resonances that the same bucha caused, yes, because the world community provides them with a platform, the world community is not the world community , but the western world provides its platforms for rebroadcasting everything they prepare to a lesser extent. yes, otherwise they must still be recognized in this regard. they know how

to do it professionally. i mean, no, i'm , well, they, they, uh, know how to prepare a product that can be sold in the western press. oh no. well, we don't have kungur television products. no, we do not have a competition, we have a struggle for minds. i have a fight for the minds of people, including in the western world, who have to react to everything that happens. it 's wonderful. they must have us fighting for minds. only i do not see. well, it’s necessary, how would it be logical to be consistent, yes, now, if we don’t have any instrument there, with which we lament, to be honest, i don’t break it. i'm just saying that it must be borne in mind, that well, ambiguously i'll say we mean it, you see, we mean it. that 's all, if they want to be inside the drum, self-deception, they like what you can do with it, by the way, the effects of it. well,

now i understand about ukraine, because, well, it's rather thin. it all happened madly you know, it’s rather liquid and the strength of the adhensation rollback is greater or comparable to the strength of expression that was put into it. well, she's comparable. yes, indeed, in the case of cannot be left, it must be forced to investigate to investigate what really happened there, i vote. well, do you understand? i just want to ask. what did someone leave behind? no, here is one yesterday's report to the sbu, which we really pushed through by force. yeah he was very efficient two things happened, first, uh, got the uk to put it on force, well political. you may not know if you noticed or not, they apologized and said that there would be no more like this, because they put it on the surface, because they, uh, didn’t allow it twice. this, uh, is a conversation for some unknown reason.

i'm here for a little. still, i would pay attention. uh, what is this interest and, uh, this is love for this artistic effect. she you know, she's both, she's so sharp. you see , zelensky called. yes, he spoke out here and called, which means that the un security council or to exclude russia or dissolve itself. you know the effect of these words. it was incredible, of course, the people who saw it all. yes, especially the countries that are standing there, they looked at the ground, and you know it is very symptomatic what the white house has to say about this. let's see what he said about this . i have everything prepared. i mean, dogs. yes, i think he zelensky was obviously talking about his disappointment, which we share that russia is a permanent member of the sbu. we do not see

the possibility of changing this there. here is the translation was even more accurate, we understand, and one of the options for translating the frustration of the universe is disappointment. yes. well, of course, you run around with stupid demands, you inflame yourself, then the stupid c demand objectifies and you feel like a lowered idiot, by the way, the whole ukrainian society is with him, because ukrainians don’t understand, so why did you yell at us for a week that we will now expel them with nsb, he and everything will work out for us . and the dog told you that i'm sorry zelensky you are in vain. that's all they did. no, that's how people talk. if someone doesn't know it is clear that our uh, viewers are not obliged to take it. to know all these results - this is a mental state when which occurs in a situation where a real or supposed person cannot satisfy his desires. you see, we very accurately started with the issue of national interests.

yes psaki said. sasha spoke of national interests. or maybe the russians don’t know, but in the nineteenth year i was brought to the peacemaker website precisely on the issue of national interests, which i asked the lithium that was nineteen. i asked a simple question. we argued in one of the television studios about crimea. i said, look , russia's national interests are that they believe that crimea is theirs and they are ready to fight because of this. you are ready to fight for it. are you ready, we ukraine is ready to fight for crimea, no, then there is no need to talk about national interests, that crimea will be ours, respectively. now i'm talking about today, when ukraine i want to talk about ukraine for its future, when all ukraine now understands and ukrainian politicians understand, look, there were national interests. in nato, we need to have already said tens of thousands of times already, and zelensky understands and the elite of us nato does not expect the european union the question of the

european union, the draft of the one on the draft treaty, which ukraine proposes to sign not only russia but also international grants, international guarantors - this is a long time, which means this path is also not ours. respectively. what is the national interest of ukraine now number one number one he is the only one is the establishment of peace agree agree, so no need to say ukrainians or fools, yes. elite is for sale. well ukrainians. so she has a concentration of her ukrainians who want peace, another question, and ideological or propaganda. how do you imagine zelensky will now come out looking for we must lose the war. we must win. he speaks, but he assigns a task delegation, which, frankly , is already beyond melancholy and because otherwise dmitry