and this is true, but in order to say this today, one must be courageous, and one must be courageous and wise in order to, as the pope did, but to attract to a religious ceremony. now the russian woman and his woman literally ran up to him for a terrible obstruction, but we typed the word. ah, it’s very good that there are such people, when emotions pass, when emotions come in place, well, normal human wisdom. sympathy, but they realize even those, maybe ukrainians, who are now , but so warmed up by emotions, what exactly is the pope right? we won't get away from each other russia ukraine very well. as dmitry you said, you don't call all ukrainians nazis. i wouldn’t even call everyone who fights against us nazis now everyone who doesn’t call them. pay attention. note. yes, there is a fundamental position. so, there is a

different opinion, you can argue with them, you can agree , you can disagree, you can discuss, and there is a state position. yes? by the way, i always share this. and that's the right thing to do to not go crazy. it should always be shared our state position. from the first day, the beginning of the operation was that there are national battalions and neo-nazi formations. but there is everything, yes, here, this state position is another matter, another thing is that when they look at their behavior there in the fields and somewhere else, for example, those who surrendered from mariupol draw a line between what formally consisted in azov or was, but these same crimes did not commit the same ones, so it’s to answer before the court, and everyone will have a case, there will be a court and everyone will answer before the court regardless from what exactly the division of the state? yes, now it's just why i'm talking about it sometimes we have it, huh? by the way, the blows destroyed there, uh, 40

nationalists. how do you know? who is destroyed there? i have an acquaintance, a fifty-two-year-old dancer. he was drafted into the army. he had nothing to do. he could not, otherwise he would have been put on trial to leave, from there he was sent to the emergency room on the first of april. he disappeared there, you know, but he's not a nazi at all. this is a normal guy who came. he took his family to lvov and there are lvov people there, because in the village they went to defend you, and other people from other regions of ukraine were sent to the draft board and to the donbass for me, he is definitely not an enemy. he is not a nation, so very good. if we share this and rise above emotions, we will not share it yet, but we will not do anything. maxim share whatever you want. yes, that is, the separation happened, uh, much earlier than your friend was sent to fight under the front line. it happened when, at first, they let people into power who were ready to go to m ready to go to

to the nazi deeds of the people who began to re- began to bring down monuments. yes, well, it would seem, yes, what did lenin do to you? lenin gave you ukraine? what for what to throw out? why was it necessary? we would like to make it civilized. no, we did everything . now you are doing, we are demonstratively killing monuments to the liberators, removing them. well, then you were not indignant when he said that your army would say glory to ukraine that is, you were not indignant, you replaced slava there i serve the ukrainian people. you replaced ukraine with glory yes, that is, the people do not need to be watered people, yes, that is, you need ukraine, you need a regime, you need a ukrainian regime. that is, when people began to proclaim these slogans, when they raised bendera and when no one was outraged. that's when it happened. that's when your fusion happened. that's when you swallowed it all. that's when, well , you jumped on the maidan. and we are on one there, and we took it in the donbass, we were forced to take up arms, and you spat in our direction. you said that we are separatists, that we want to ruin the country and eight we haven't noticed for years. then it all happened

, you understand, that is, in no way did everyone become enemies, that is, they went to the fact that they allowed you to come to power in the country. nazism, they all allowed it, and to some small extent. but they are to blame for this, that is, because wait, that is, people are shooting at us, who at least shoot at full speed, at least shoot with the national battalion, they shoot at us, they break our houses. they bombed us for 8 years, they are now february 17th. they were going to roll out the basin, in general, just heating they were going to do it, but you, maxim, woke up on the twenty-fourth of february, when russia yes came out in our defense. that's only then, and before that i speak practically. i'm talking about this person maxim, i 'm answering you about a specific person. your vsu. leading today. right sector apu. today he is in a difficult situation. they simply take out and shoot commanders who are at least thinking about laying down their arms. there

, and at least you know the gradebooks of the mind to wake up, that's when they all take power there and when they swallow it, they all become aware of emotions and hatred, and it seems to me that you and the pope are the boss, or just because ukraine is now, wait. i will ask you very much. yes, because , well, i said that i understand that it boils in it for eight years, so please be more careful. if you told me, i can also add, i'm here so much. i mean , i mean, maxim does not need to distort exactly one thing. i mean just personal attitude you need to understand that people are behind this and that's it. now the second i evaluate the degree of nazification of the armed forces of ukraine as untrained. that's when rodion said that the entire army of ukraine accepts the nazi bandera slogan as an official greeting. this

is what this means a high degree of nazification of these units. a priori, you understand automatically, if they greet each other with a nazi greeting , being in the ranks under the state flag, then this is it, they are something else and here rodion is right, and the emotions are well-deserved, because it will shoot donbass for 8 years of donbass, we forget there, too, cannot be surprised. i wanted to take a slightly different direction, i have relatives in ukraine, so i understand both sides. yes, that is, i cannot consider my sister an enemy, but therefore imagine the situation, there is a battle, our soldier leans out and speaks. who are you, uh, national security or the army? well, if the army, i will not shoot at you. this is war. you know, you know, this is it, well, mm, such metaphors, i consider it inappropriate about how a soldier protrudes and so on. there, people give their lives here for the country and for the motherland yes and well, please, do not speculate on this. go on. that's during

the war to speak. these are the good ones, these bad ones will not work. it's not even about whether we want it or not. that's why we've been walking for so long, so he tells us, oh, how weak you turned out to be, we thought you were strong. and we go for a long time, to die less. yes, but what do you do? we have one way, we have no other way but to win, therefore, we will have to fight with the fact that there is a week on such and they won't win until they win. here we win, who we need to condemn, who we need to let go, but before that, how will it be? yes, i agree with your thesis. i was with you all the time defending. so ukraine has made inevitable the scenario of a special military operation, which is being implemented and it will be implemented in full here and mine personally. the opinion and the official position are absolutely the same. and by the way, uh, well, the principle that

there are different people there is not at all so to speak about the fact that it is necessary to abandon the military operation. well on it doesn't indicate. yes, i just understand, we don't have to do it. here are such limit limit transitions. nothing connected. this is connected with one thing, everyone will be measured, for his deeds, everyone will be measured for his deeds. and what will be a notorious nazi. well, you saw this one near, i see you are indignant, but before i give you the floor now, look at well , this man who kind of passed. yes, this is a very revealing video when he takes off his sweater. look please. vaughn came out, he showing more modest right shoulder. first you see, and the left forearm, as it were, the right one. well , look, right here. so what, and he is not the only one there, in principle, this is for the same azov and a number of other units. this mandatory marking is mandatory and they

did it with pleasure. give you the floor. i just know, i'm surprised dmitry here was just a dispute figurative dispute. yes, here are the russians on a citizen of russia e. rodion well, a citizen of luhansk and me, i was kind of behind, well, ukrainians are a citizen of ukraine, a citizen russia says that mercy, well, says some things. yes, he says no. uh, you have to destroy you have to kill. no, and so on. and you, as the host, say yes, and he is right, young emotionally. he, that is, you understand, looks monstrous to me like this. well, you understand further already another dear speaker, he says, we must win. and what victory do you have to reach? who do you have to defeat that is? you see, some kind of thing is happening right in front of your eyes. in the first part we tried to talk about something about something in general, now we must win everything we must win. that is, it is necessary to kill all of us. we must not conquer, we must

not. why because we are nazis. well, it’s impossible to determine, well, you won’t be able to tell anyone, even people from the donbass have never said that in ukraine all the nazis. i know this, you understand from the field, he said, why are they or higher degrees? all the same, everyone is to blame for ukraine. we brought it hard. yes definitely definitely definitely. everyone agreed that i called on someone to kill or all of these more than anyone that you need to be brought to power in a country that professes nazi principles. your armed forces. they are permeated with nazi nazi standards, and your rights are the aidar azov sector. they dominate your armed forces, you understand, therefore it is impossible to negotiate with them, therefore it is impossible with them . that is, then keep the people, keep

the cities with you. you can’t prove it like that , vasily, once you did what you did a little step forward. at first you said, let's not judge bandera, let's not, because they are also patriots. wait for the next step. and let's try to plant the benderites with our dynamos, who fought in the red army. well , now what did you say, now you destroyed our monuments and said that the benderites are the liberators of ukraine, that's all. that's what happened in russia, that's why it's a waste, that's why we can't live side by side with bender's nazism and forgive. here's what they've done over the years bendera nazism will also not be able to speak, never with european ones. yes, they were. look, it’s the same with all the other nazisms, that’s why they are so furious, very soon you asked vasily what the purpose of this operation was, it was declared denocification and

demilitarization, demilitarization, we are now doing very well, what we are doing remotely without having to our soldiers put their lives on cutting down all your equipment, infrastructure , factory command posts, and so on, making the certification kill the nazis first of all. here are these animals, which were now shown with nazi signs. this is what we are doing, with regard to the fact that a really ordinary person may be somewhere, well, not to name it. and you know him. how many people have you buried in your time sent me today, there are 200 aircraft 300. open the directory. look how much was there. count the arithmetic and all two or three actions, and you will understand that you are lying and they are lying to you, and you admire this lie. show me show me about maxim, i would like to say go now indeed, the mobilization of a collective farmer, there is a peasant from a factory, and so on. puts on

a uniform sends troops. he turns out to be in the sun. and indeed. he wants to surrender, the nazis won't let him. the nazis can kill him and so on to these people. in the event that they were captured, they must be treated differently; the nazis deserve one land. but you know vasily. so you can, of course , set up such senseless traps, because, after all, with all the emotional attitude of rodion that i understand, there is reinforced concrete 3,000 3,000, who surrendered and they are all in acceptable conditions and that’s all and they are all fed and they are treated with dignity, therefore there is an irrefutable fact, you understand, and we can say that we will not put up with nazism and everyone. maybe it’s a shame, well, then who came and surrendered is in the regulatory conditions provided for by the status of a prisoner of war, in contrast to what the country of ukraine does advertising?

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it's amazing how an american understands the problems of the victory and the victory over nazism, first of all, and everything has some meaning for us. let's see. who governs ukraine is not zelensky nor the nazi parliament, if you were russian, i will not continue, because everything is already on emotions, you think 14,000 killed will cause hatred. i'll tell you what will make you hate hatred - this is when you have 20 to 30 million people killed in war with nazi germany that's what russia is today in every city in every village there are monuments to people who died, every family lost a relative of two 10:20 in that war the most important holiday in russia may 9 victory day when was the last time victory day was celebrated in america in europe we never remember it. we do not have

world war ii veterans, they all died among the russian veterans, too, almost all died. but you know how they maintain the memory, they took away the so-called immortal regiment of the families of the dead veterans are holding portraits of those who fought in the war and parades, tens and hundreds of thousands, each, on the ninth of may, in memory of them, it is in their dna and you order them to sit and calmly watch how the ideology of nazism is being revived in ukraine and not interfere. i'm already sick of the fact that in the united states they say genazification is one of the military-strategic goals of vladimir putin, this is a fairy tale, this is fiction. this is not an invention. it is more real than reality itself. yes, indeed, it seems to be an american. yes, but he understands, in fact, uh, before we get here in the studio. on my look, a very serious dispute was going on. by the way, that's

actually that's about it. yes, that's why i showed it now. actually about this. now i'm looking, there and on social networks. uh, even sometimes in families. yes, this is the debate. and about the fact that why why e yes, there and could it have been different, and so on, and the farther away that's for me. hey, this question too. in general, it always stands, because in addition to there, in our dna that we have may 9, we also have in our dna e that war is terrible. yes, and uh, it's in our dna that we can't be, uh, firecrackers war. and this is what accuses us of allegedly starting it. this has a very strong effect on people, in my opinion, and on the young and not only on the young, absolutely different. we always want to be on the truth, and in this case it is also clear that from our point of view, the one who starts the war. yes, he is wrong, and therefore this dispute. yes, you could not, it was so relevant and so.

uh, seriously, and uh, just this american guy. he's definitely absolutely right. yes, uh formulates what, uh, really, yes with his opponent. now they are saying that we could not and could not have done differently. not because of her politics or so on. we could not do otherwise, because we saw that there is nazism, and this and this problem is it there or not. she's almost the most important thing and uh, the more we see, huh? here, uh, the same thing that is happening in mariupol and what is now broadcasting, including those people who, it seems, didn’t talk about it yesterday and somehow uh, so they didn’t speak out about it, but the more we hear and understand what it was inside, what it is was uh, mainstream pro actually. yes, in fact it was sat, i will not say that in ukraine all the nazis, of course, this will not be true, and so on. but what rodion said, in my opinion, is obvious that people allowed those who

allow walking with torches and wearing portraits to power. uh, nazi criminals and so on. and who in the end . c uh, turned away for 8 years from the fact that your own citizens are being killed. just turned away and in my mind. this is a very strong thing. it's very his actually. this is really the situation when an american understands us better than a part of our so-called pacifist intelligentsia, who cannot speak incorrectly, and so on. and here even the point is not that we are fighting nazism. as such here, it’s really a matter of our perception of nazism and the results of world war ii, as a victory over evil here too. unfortunately, many europeans brought up in their cultural traditions will not understand us, and they sincerely do not understand for them, but the end of world war ii wars, there is reconciliation consent and all that smooth. so they now perceive, and may 9 may 8

in terms of the forty-fifth year. we have it as a day of victory over evil, yes, heavy victories, but the great victory and e victory and over not just evil, but evil that was going to destroy us, as a nation, as people, as a people, as an ethnos as a culture, we perceive nazism and as some kind of abstract cargo of some kind of terrorists from the other side of the world, but as an ideology, which is the goal, which is the destruction of us, as such. that is why we, as a people, as a culture, as an ethnic group, we will fight against this nazism to the end. and if we see that nazism is being nurtured next to us. we are destroying it. everything is logical. well, you know what is interesting, yes, this is, well, how would this be an absolutely accurate statement of the question. it has a second part, oh, which we must not forget either. i have, uh, a comrade man who knows the battalion commander of the dpr guard well. why, who fought for a long time from the fourteenth year, and he belongs to the hill of legendary

battalion commanders. e e donetsk. yes. and now he is fighting, look at the prisoners in his battalion. just look it's the next time we'll have to go. are you still going to build in moscow? take the plate . put away this handle. here is borsch, moreover, from the same cauldron, which, as i understand it, was also prepared for battalion fighters. yes, well, indeed, a very emotional interview with the americans, most likely, this is for the domestic american public, because in russia everyone knows this, of course. eh, in my opinion. another such dangerous precedent has taken place. today, according to alexander valin, this is the minister of defense of serbia, we learned that supplies

the british continue to supply javelins and ufos not only to ukraine, but also obliquely. well, today 50 units arrived there yesterday. and owe another 20,000 now while in the past, uh, last week. we said that almost a third of the deliveries from the united states have already passed all deliveries there, which is almost not enough for them themselves. now there are new deliveries of these weapons and, in fact, not only the russian world anymore. yes, even the entire orthodox world. under some kind of such a certain threat , they said that this is a bad weapon, but i said that they always went this is a good weapon. there sits there are two drawbacks that does not allow. in ukraine, to turn around is a period of deployment. the matrix has to cool down there, uh, 4 minutes 4 minutes is a very long time. yes, 4 minutes - this is our s500 system, so i turn around in the c 500 battery, so they saw strelka right away and could destroy the audience, they can not pay attention to this export. he doesn't know anything. it means that in kosovo these weapons can be used much faster due to which it depends and the terrain can hide. so it's very hard. what kind of fronts i didn’t command frontal commands, but

stop then, stop this stream about the combat characteristics of ufos, here, uh, the only thing i, for example, told what the fighters told me, how they work, how they work on a tank. they just shared their experience with me. more than anything i yes, except for this experience. i ca n't say anything more. i understand only one thing about serbia, which is pressure on serbia. the truth continues and turns out to be everyone. possible by the way, the teacher said about this, starting from a provocation with allegedly mining planes that are the only ones from europe, uh, fly to russia, threatening to interrupt the oil supply and exclusively, uh, in relation to serbia and weapons. uh, well, a potential adversary, that is, the creation of a military threat. all this is a system of pressure on the ground, which the smell implements with this. i agree. come on,

me. although, i love this topic and covered the yugoslav wars, but i won’t fall into this trap, because here now it’s different, this is fighting, which worries me much more. i would like to respond to us in words, but he reacted to our dispute, which is in the previous part. well, in general, really gay some things right. e said, well, yes, this is difficult, but to observe that nazism, yes, somewhere out there, is being revived in the post-soviet space, and now it was necessary to start, there was no need for a person. i just thought about the price, at the same time, you understand, but, nevertheless, here’s the question of the price, here, uh, now there is a denocification, as we call half a million mariupol, which has already been largely destroyed, is uninhabitable. and tomorrow, if we go further, what will happen, but the russian city of kharkov has more than a million inhabitants. here is the question. e. here. but we can't pay the price. and

where i would like to ask gays. that's it, but i don't know where your ancestors are loading from. that is, tbilisi or kutaisia ​​from another place. well, let's say they fought. come on, there are also so many bastards living there, and saakashvili's supporters and the zvyadists are not finished off, who carried the war there to abkhazia, but you know, how would you like to do the certification, tbilisi happened at such a price to make tbilisi my favorite city. i think you love him 10 times more than i turned into such a little mario. you have a word. you can use my heart with your mind, then i will answer. no, i’m not georgian, i can use my mind like that, of course, i don’t want to e about the people there, about whom you spoke, but there, well, there are people there, probably, well, there are none of them, probably this is not enough there are those who support saakashvili there are people who are in favor of joining the nato in the european union is against it. you know i er,

compared to what happened in ukraine, i always said. i have always drawn these parallels . the fact is that even after the events of 2008 . uh, i mean, uh, everything happened in august. november. i arrived there. i was the program director at the time. mayaka came with me, or kuzichev, who was uh . we walked around the center, tbilisi talked. they even made news reports for this and so on. the degree of anger of such a degree, yes, when they rush at you simply because you speak russian or represent the russian media in georgia. i'm already silent about the nazis, there and so on. well, there was no such ideology, there was extremely nationalism there, there is a manifestation

of this, and so on, but there was not what we see in ukraine and now this is not in georgia, most of them are more than sixty percent of georgians various reasons, but oppose joining weight to sanctions against russia 63%. this is despite the fact that all this is happening between the two countries, that we have not had diplomatic relations between georgia and russia since 2008, and so on. it's a completely different story. well, it's true, yes, but if we use parallels, i'll tell you, well, georgia is just small. roma is, firstly, and secondly, georgia never had nazism as a state ideology. in contrast to the fact that bandera, with all its heritage, is declared to be state-owned, in fact, a pseudo-religion. yes on ukraine well, most importantly, you understand if you draw a parallel for since 2008. that's when the saakashvili regime staged a monstrous provocation with an attack on the dump and before our era.