and you the hegemon and master of this whole world absolutely right. we can't remember it because the united states has been claiming over the past years that it is the center of a global power that defines it all far away. not this way. this unipolar moment is ending, if it hasn’t already. that ’s why i understand this, uh, countries such as china india saudi arabia saudi arabia is now negotiating with china on oil supplies in yuan, they are not ready to listen to the united states from the word at all and this is a big serious breakthrough. except in addition, we certainly see feelings of insecurity on the part of the east from the non- west, due to what the smell does. and that means security. today we talked about security guarantees, and there for ukraine and russia, which demanded a logical guarantee of security, but the east will demand already regarding the systems of international relations, the west will not demand guarantees in order to be normal. and a normal life to

trade is exactly what the chinese comrades are talking about today and say, in fact. let us develop normally. i think we are seeing a very important trend. here in this disobedience. e trend. the fact that we need to look more at geographical maps, and not at political ones, because they are moving. here eurasia very clearly passes under two centers of influence. yes, that is, the prc with its area of ​​​​responsibility primarily in southeast asia yes and russia, and most of our allies and neighbors in the first place. well, here, for example, kazakhstan yes, there over the past 20-30 years britain also actively flirted with what i always talk about international financial center, astana, where the high judges of london regulate how and what such an internal offshore will be, and these are the processes of self-determination. they will be held at the continental level global. the idea is, that is, which is american, that there is a global world, and we are larger in this world, yes, that is, they said, we set the rules for casinos, we chips. we also give, and in this

casino we know where and what how to distribute, where roulette, where what we play is all over. they already understand this. they called it an aucus. yes, we are australia britain here our zone of influence shrinks like shagreen leather. and all the rest are determined from their well-continental interests, that is, it is important for turkey with whom it will limit. it has a local ally, azerbaijan, but azerbaijan, being allies with turkey, at the same time prefers to sign separate allied relations with us, because geography is important, because it borders on us, because , in our country, how the armenian crisis led to what, armenia receives a corridor to russia that has never been and, as it were, isolated on the one hand, while russian goods begin to enter the market georgia will have to decide for itself, because we see it does not impose sanctions and the elites, also do not go for aggravation, we are waiting for the most interesting processes are that in moldova what kind of hysteria do these political romanians have, who understand that, firstly, they have bessarabia. from the hands

they hoped that they would grab themselves to odessa yes izmailov during the crisis, and after we took, snake island, the entire mouth of the danube is under our control. that is, our fleet can actually reach vienna, that is, the party of the romanians broke off their henchmen in chisinau in hysterics forbid st. george ribbons, for which, in order to provoke a massacre on may 9, because i know balti that is. here, moldova is the nationalist part, and there is northern balti absolutely russian, the city where, by the way, sergei aksionov, the head of crimea, comes from, and the whole city will come out with st. george ribbons. and what are these romanians do they provoke the same carnage. this consciousness of all these liliths will squirm. and after that there will be absolutely new boundaries, so you shouldn't think that not only the rules have collapsed in the casino, but also with the general manager, who also stole the chips. yes, but look how under what control is mr. biden? it

's generally gorgeous. here's a wife, not a book read. i didn't show it yesterday, i think, but there was an intimate conversation at the time of reading. books, look. she is a teacher. i am very, that is understand what is happening yes, you need to give a command. and it's not the first time yesterday. e was a piece when they stand on the podium and have to say goodbye. she has him there so this car and he raises his hand. well, the team arrived. yes, in this state in this state. just sit, do nothing, do not open the root. here is your master you. you know, a conservative woman. now, if you take marriage like that in soviet times, after a sharp wife, she says, don’t drink. well, if you don't drink, then either drink less. here she also suggests. it seems to me that absolutely normal not not usa well. you want to

say that it is also being laid? well, i just wanted to say what is being laid, what he is laying. this is also a separate issue. when the wife is there to her husband, but not the president during an official event, you know, i want about china china is very important and practical. i agree that china what policy it leads. well, uh, i'm reading, preparing for your program, i'm reading the media write that uh, a railway train of goods from germany was sent from the people's republic of china. well it would seem, well, they sent it right, but it was sent for the first time not through the territory of the russian federation, but through the territory of kazakhstan , azerbaijan, by ferry there, romania, and so on, because i am the officers, this is personally correct. well , what i'm talking about and now let's move on to our business. i remember the statement of one of the leaders of china, i think, on the 28th or twenty-seventh. he said that we, on the other hand, are in favor of starting a dialogue between russia and ukraine. plavnematic

dialogue it sit at the negotiation tables and front it sit down, there was no such it may be, but do not count. well, let's do it without the small jokes of the arrestovich. it won't work here. everything is thrown. over time. i hear from time to time. china says, e not once. well , look, we are contributing to the peace process between ukraine and the russian federation . why am i failing? remember dmitry 2013. uh, then the current president. e ukraine yanukovych went to china where he was promised, or rather, he tried to agree on the ability to steal billions. wait until then before, and then you screwed up, and then you screwed up. wait a minute, i want to say finish the thought, and then the conversation was about how the benziers in the people 's republic of china would save ukraine from 10 to 50 billion dollars, and indeed china wanted to get its own port to rent land. i want to say

that the role of china in the game, including in europe, is not so simple, china may not be occupying, but without its influence, no partition, no major event will take place on the territory of europe. this is the first goods needed sell and and now and now about the main thing, when china looks at the war that is between russia and ukraine what do you think, well, if well, let's say by 1% that ukraine wins the battle in the donbass, how china will drive the car, it will support russia or he will still continue to live in china. i will explain to you, i am absolutely sure how china will behave, regardless of any twists and turns of what will happen on earth. well , you yourself said about 1%, i'll leave it. this is 1% of the even proverb fool-dumka and get rich. let be one percent remains. in this case, let him

stay, by the way, you understand? that's how interesting, those in the west know everything about what will happen. yes , everyone knows, and only you are a worthy representative of ukraine. you are talking about some one percent. well, god bless them, let it remain on your conscience, but i'll tell you about china. i think, look, the position of the strategic alliance between china and russia is really determined very simply, our future for a decade ahead is that we must stand with our backs to back. it is very simple, the principle is very chinese formulated, but, like all chinese principles, which is really a principle, this is something without which they understand the future that they can aspire to is impossible, so the chinese think. they fix the unnecessary ultimate due categorically due which will

determine the future and they are not fighting for the future, they are fighting for the categorical position now because it is the condition of the future. and here is the back-to-back principle for the chinese political china's class is a categorical tribute then in germany is dishonest. let me tell you. i understand that you, in principle, do not believe. well, they don't exist in ukraine. well, ukraine doesn't have ukrainians, in principle, well, it happened that way. no, it just so happened that everyone already knows that it is not. you believe in profit. let me benefit strategic china from all of this. this means that china needs to replace american markets with european ones. clear. why? because the americans have nothing to pay with, they have been paying for a long time without the receipts for which they are going to pay, then they need the european market, but in order for this to be a strategic bet. you need to be sure that, well, you can trade only where there is peace, where security is guaranteed, which means that china cannot itself

guarantee the security of europe, which is far away. well, you also understand the geopolitical reason. therefore, the question arises who will guarantee its security to europe so that chinese goods can be sold there, there is a silk road one train one by one on one track. it's all technology delivery. and where to get it from? but fundamental security guarantees, so china believes that these guarantees can be given only for europe, not for ukraine. yes, only the russian federation can give europe, and all this vicissitudes cannot. and they themselves cannot give it all to the bass, the greeks went there, they went here, but in the end they took three. well, they went to take three. they took over 20 years. that's all, you know, it will also happen here, that's what china was counting on, that the russian federation would be the guarantor of security europe well, where europe will not get away from this, because it is quite obvious that it is connected. by the way,

they are destroying europe, they are exporting war there. this one and the second russia is strategically more than an ally, and the united states is strategically more than an enemy, the united states has declared itself as such. you see, rush assistant, they don’t do anything, they watch how they rage there, and from there they yell, our main enemy is china. what is the opinion of all american politics repeated? and what do you think the chinese will do to the chinese with with its age-old history, it’s enough to hear once when someone called him an enemy; one they have a completely different philosophy, not ours, not russian, not european e. it's a pity that you stopped so quickly. here is a video of a married biden couple, because sometimes spouses play a nurse. there was the first stage, teacher teacher. it's a pity. i wish i had more to say. i want to take you back

about a year ago. do you remember, dmitry, we were then on one of the joint programs. i told you that the german uh, the ministry defense suddenly unexpectedly, but issued an order. e, or rather, announced a competition for, e, the production of special vector maps on the territory of russia. i just want to remind you that those vector maps in question are maps that, according to german experts, in the first place - these are only those maps that can used in military operations. moreover, the offensive operations order was issued, if my memory serves me in june last year, that is, in june last year, we can assume this again according to the data german press. i have stated this many times. e that the german german ministry of defense knew that some maps might be needed specifically for offensive operations, such a nuance can be. eh, one it seems. here is the german word. this is redundant,

because i always thought so when merkel came out and read out a piece of paper. i have finally convinced myself of this. here is a branch of the german branch of the pentagon and a german branch. uh, intelligence agencies in america , uh, were given the task of preparing these maps. you see, this is not a german decision. well i don't excuse the germans. now i do not justify the germans. they themselves brought it all to this point. but the fact that american intelligence understood exactly that it was necessary to give such an order. she gave it away or to the pentagon. my interest lies in the fact that these plans have been developed for quite a long time, and these competitions here confirm precisely the fact that plans for a possible military clash with russia existed and they unconditionally prepared for them. well, by the way, now it’s only news. we were talking about china. the united states should stop underestimating china's determination and ability china's defense minister

in a conversation with the pentagon chief why, there's an interesting story with china that i always pay attention to. remember, too, and in the studios they said about this that they deteriorated with the advent of trump. in general , we have good relations between the united states and china, so trump came and ruined everything and so on. the democrats are coming back. and that means everything, again between china and the united states. america will be fine. eh, yes, for some reason many people there thought so, in fact, we see, yes, that nothing good happened vice versa. and in general, in my opinion, just history, it moves. there are certain laws. here and including, yes, uh, that is, that the historical process is now moving, it also has its own pattern and the confrontation between china and the united states of america is absolutely programmed. and then, when they say, uh, about china. but the moose said that he was interested in the world, of course, in fact, everything that china says by and large. this is

really a 100% peacemaker because they are absolutely consistent in their actions and words. they say, yes, we want peace, they are interested in peace, but pay attention they really want peace, because they say you can’t supply weapons to ukraine and they repeat it all the time, that this only kindles a war, that this war cannot be stopped by supplying weapons to ukraine it's the chinese say, well here's the message you'll continue now, where's the message? i just act the wrong attitude towards the issue of taiwan can have a fatal effect on relations with china and the united states american colleague. yes. and i would also like, well, vladimir, it would probably be better to say this. i even read, there are very interesting things about pakistan, that's an interesting thing. yes, there was this change of prime minister. eh, as many argue and it is not unreasonable that the american tentacles and the british worked there, but it seems to be

new. the minister and what he says, first we will continue good relations with china. this is very important for us, we will continue. uh, navigate there to turkey and so on by and large, indeed, even here on this, it seems to be, yes, there is a kind of coup going on there. yes, a change of power, but those patterns that are how the world has become different. you can see it even in things like this. it seems to me that this just very clearly demonstrates that there is no world that was, in which there was a hegemon, yes, the hegemon still thinks that he is absolutely right. but the fact that he is already the hegemon no, it’s interesting that ideology is still very important, because we constantly say that this is what the united states is doing with its own satellites. just the lack of ideology plunge into hysteria chaos. well, the transformation into an adult teenager. china has an ideology, you have them, well, as if self-determination, if you look, well, institutional institutional

ideological you of the same ccp, they consider the xix century as a harsh colonization of britain and in general by the west, when including, well, the opium wars, what this is, in fact, in the ukrainian crisis. it will be necessary to study the history of drug addiction, including the armed forces of ukraine, and what role do you understand and the population in general, what role did the hub play, for example, in romania, through which they were taken out. i just studied the investigation, just in central asia they wrote a lot about this in kyrgyzstan in tajikistan. we do not follow our brothers. well, yes, we don’t follow much from there, but there was traffic there, when troops were withdrawn from afghanistan through romania, it turned into a transshipment base for drug trafficking. and then it went to odessa through bessarabia through moldova, chisinau turned into. there, all this was facilitated by local scoundrels, the same as oligarchs are only moldovan, for example, this one in chisinau was the almighty, who was just expelled, then vlad plahotniuk, poroshenko's partner, and how they were in this. all these elites, who

received power precisely in the drug addiction of the region , the same processes took place, this is not news. therefore, i believe that ideologically this is now my thesis for us, which will also be very important. we need to stop looking at the territory of our former soviet union about our united country. in it, a huge part of the regions fell into the same colonial dependence in the ninetieth year, as parts of china fell into the nineteenth century. and this is how it should be treated in the future. this should be written in our ideology ukraine - it was a colony of our united country, where all the same processes took place that in china 100-150 years ago, a very correct idea regarding the post-soviet space. i agree , we need to return to the question of the east, not the west , after all, it is put with its back. uh, to the back with the east is absolutely impossible. e with the east in no sense of the word to turn your back is not positive it is impossible for him to act negatively, only face very carefully very carefully this world in which we are advancing. it will be more difficult than the one

that was before, but we will very much hope that it is fair. everything here depends on how we build these links with the east. it all depends on our proactive attitude. and the second. that moment is very important. uh, the world has to decide anew what is possible and what is impossible, so it was possible for the americans to bomb and cancer could be beaten by them, afghanistan can be changed in pakistan government, but at the same time, by the way, i really absolutely agree on this, and the vector cannot be changed. it remains as it is dictated by history. and what is possible? and what not? here are the turks now, uh, invaded iraq, is it possible or not? and they claim that they did not violate the sovereignty of cancer, but they invaded its territory, yes to fight terrorism, but it was sanctioned by the security council. it is not more than that, turkey is challenging the entire system of international relations is such, if you like, revisionist. i am i think yes, i think you know that here yes, the pro

challenge. it’s like how many years have passed since the operation against yugoslavia without any decision, he and everything else how many 25 25, well, 25, you need to remember that the united states made the first real challenge and, in fact, the funeral of the international security system, carried out together with nato aggression against yugoslavia two years ago after that, the united states many times reproduced this very situation in iraq libya syria well, the language is not enough, what is it enumerate, so the rdg works. like erdogan. you can condemn it, you can discuss it, turkey, he says, i am sovereign. he says the system of international law does not work, who killed him who killed her? i will not discuss. yes, i won't. well, why should i

then? national then i'll tell you who killed her. well , she's already dead. by the way, he said this many times, so i act as a pure sovereign, where i can understand, that's where they understand that it will be . well, i can provide it. now he talks a lot about the situation. yes, in the situation that he is not considers the system completely destroyed. this, in my opinion, is more important to understand than when we will reproduce stamps. yes, he is challenging there is nothing to challenge, the united states has killed this system. well, they started killing. after, when they realized that the two pillars of the soviet union and they on which it all rested, that one crowd no longer exists to recognize russia's right to be this pillar. instead of recognizing us as the state, they did not become the successor that we are, yes, the russia of the state the successor of the soviet union is not an easy time.

they said that there would be no russia, and it would all disappear. and then this world collapsed 30 years ago. he collapsed that we should stop using the ukraine issue as a pretext for threatening and putting pressure on china prc minister of defense in a conversation with the head of the pentagon well, i don’t know how to put it mildly in a good conversation. yes, the head of the pentagon is good. good morning said, china is politely cultural, but that 's exactly it. and don't pester us any more, therefore the question. don't force me to say rougher we will continue advertising after it. special edition of the program 60 minutes all the latest news about the situation in ukraine and in the world we go on the air immediately after the news, do not miss 60 minutes. today 17:30 on the channel russia sokolov watches with

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ram explosive hut. what about moscow? what are they? on all screens this is a program who is against on channel russia 1 we continue our discussion a little bit we will change the topic of discussion, because there is all the time. eh, so to speak, i am there a train of reasoning about the information war about what is this experience heap. here. i have said more than once that the main thing in their understanding of the information war, which is not imposed on us, is the shameless mass production of constant lies. by the way, here is one of the operators. he calls himself so-so that he is the operator of the leader of the information war on arrestovich. it's not even shy to admit it, look. the national idea of ​​ukraine is one

central, in fact, is it as much as possible to lie? because if you tell the truth, everything will collapse. here, the basic national idea is the basic principle, understand? when vasily objected to you that your thesis that they have no principles, there is a principle on which everything rests. it's a national idea to lie to yourself and others and not stop doing it, like on a bicycle, because it just stopped collapsing. after all, he leads. well , he's telling the absolute truth. this is knowledge from within ethics. everyone lies. by the way, here is the thesis. blimey. this is the thesis that citizens need in order to support this system. do not be afraid of absolute lies. there it is normal policy and it consists of absolute lies. this for your good. this is to make you feel good politics like this politics is not done with clean

hands politics is dirt, politics is a lie, but this is to make you feel good. we will take it upon ourselves with a lie, we will take it for ourselves. yes, you know, there is an expression that if during the war you lie to your people, then you have already lost this war. why because you can endlessly talk about those victories that do not exist, but sooner or later, all the same, it will all become clear, and when ukraine loses part of the territory, it declares about the fact that we are defeating everyone everywhere, but it seems to me that for a normal sane person - this is an absolutely obvious thing, but there is a problem right there. you know one of the most precision-guided weapons is the television. and so, when they took over television, when they actually liquidated all television channels, i understand that martial law is there. everything is clear, and they built a single information they started this process a long time ago. that is, first there, uh, crt, they banned, then the medvedchuk channels banned everything, then they went further. today, poroshenko's channels have already been

banned, they have built a single media empire that has covered ukraine with a dome and the only repeaters of any. where the president’s thoughts are, of course, akhmetov’s channel ukraine 24, as it is called freedom yes, the only plus the same thing happens on radio stations, the same thing, if you listen to the fm frequency radio station there at different frequencies, the same one and the same same information goes, why is this happening? well, because they do not need to convey exclusively that information that he considers necessary, even if it is false, but it is necessary for them today in order to keep, firstly, their power. second, do not show. e that everything is as bad as it is really bad, but also, accordingly, to achieve some of their own political goals, so, well, uh, what they are doing, you know, it would be justified , if during the war, it is clear that there should be some kind of unified information

policy, but it should more or less reflect real state of affairs, they are speculation.