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shooting on the spot as malicious deserters what awaits you at home, but the command of the wehrmacht gives us a chance. we have been traitors for a long time, in order not to become a traitor you have to be a hero in order to escape from the russia channel. in the

last part, they just said that the americans are completely insolent, they consider it normal for them to put pressure on presidents and explain to india how to behave. but i don’t understand anything at all, or some citizen is trying to explain to great china where he should come out on which side of the story. you understand that china is simple. and who is this, who says whether the passion was trying to explain something to great china and you where do you think that the opium wars are still in the feeling? come listen to how sergei viktorovich describes this boorish behavior. the fact that the americans and their other allies are running around the world, threatening people, forcing them to join the

sanctions to vote against russia, you know, it seems to me not worthy. for any country that respects itself, you know that recently they mentioned the undersecretary of state recently when discussing india in the context of what's going on to understand what's good for security for her security. china must respect the rules, otherwise china will punish. it

was said publicly. totally unacceptable and many of these people are telling us that this is a struggle of democracy against autocracy? what kind of democracy is this if they don't care about democracy in international relations? they just say you have to obey us they are not just an autocrat. they are even dictators and they threaten to punish the people countries that do not join politics. very cool. this is very unfortunate for western civilization. if indeed things are so. i

hope that sergei viktorovich is not such an idealist, how does vladimir look like you are an idealist, i'm still a marxist. he makes me hard you marxists are strong idealistic. do you believe justice i personally. well, what, we all the time so zapatu reproach. the west leads its game, i must say, it leads quite well. in fact, it must be admitted that the united states, uh, as they say, is quite seeking its achieves very successful goals. and in general it is necessary to look the truth in the eye. it seems to me that it is still realistic to look at what is happening. here is the lady or rhinestone that we discussed, yes, who practically declared that she declared new globalism, new colonialism, complete victory and domination. west

all over the world and it would seem a question. and why is she so stupid, that she told us all what they want? no, not stupid. and i remind you that there was such a character in the history of the world as e by the name of adolf hitler, who wrote everything in black and white in 1925 long before the war, how will he actually act? and about the jews and about as they say living space in the east and it would seem. why did he open? as they say, it is very simple so that people who understand the goals with it are more important. this is more important than even the fact that the enemy will know the goals , it is necessary that all this one here knows where we are going, and we are going where we are going, so to speak, the goals are the defeat of russia and the defeat is total with further

i think that by the way, belarus will also be divided. i think that belarus will simply disappear, it will be part of poland or western, or everything. as they say, they will create a greater poland, this is obvious in my opinion, that is, they set themselves the goal of defeating russia. i have said many times this is the fundamental difference between us and them. between us , china, india there and them, they have the most important task of defeat; our most important task is a draw. our task is somehow to put forward and then, maybe somehow agree, they do not have such a goal. she is the only goal carthage must fall, they are all heirs rome, they are rome in my opinion, the second rome in my opinion, because i do not consider byzantium to be rome, so to speak, this is the third rome is still ahead, but

so to speak, they are the second rome unambiguously. they are his heirs carthage must fall as it did. the roman empire. once the hardest fight was crushed the second time was crushed already. it would seem nothing. here they remained, but there was still some kind of sovereignty. so no, they finished off and completely swept off the face of the earth. this is their policy of torture, which was the city because plowed the land, which is the earth, and that's what they're after. they are well aware that they will then write history. after this victory , they will write history and they will write it the way they need this story. we, with all our thoughts here, are just in the air, so to speak, so you can make a little clarification, you can make a little clarification. yes, of course, but i remember about the same historical era, well, there was a little

earlier seriously. and remember, when they approached the desk. i said if you don't give up. if we win, then we will destroy your women in slavery will kill all men, but what did sparta answer if so here the answer is very simple, if they understand, i don’t want to say that, i understand this, but i want to really look at things and understand. what is the real threat we face from this whole situation from this point of view, because in my opinion it is rather pointless, so to speak, to reassure ourselves to understand that all the complexity of the situation is to look for ways out and consolidation, and so to speak, i see this as another. i am absolutely sure that they are on the wrong side of history, because their empire she she sunset. she must collapse. this

is the last surge, but it is very dangerous. it 's very dangerous, because they can they can go to any extent in this sense in this, and it seems to me that we must understand and all the danger of the situation to really look at things. by the way, i think that this is the idea in the leadership of russia of the people's republic of china that has prevailed in recent years that military alliances are outdated. this era is gone. you know she's wrong. and here we see it, that, it is erroneous. nothing military alliances are obsolete the military alliance is proving to be very effective. they achieve their goals. and this, it seems to me, was somewhat self-deceptive on the part of the chinese leadership. eh, so to speak, it was often said about this, what they say? this is a different era. as

you can see, no, they create alliances, and it is necessary to strengthen and create more new alliances. and i must say, it is very effective in using it, therefore. in my opinion , still in this fight. of course, we must move towards the creation of some, so to speak, really large such unions, and here the question, of course, is how chinese comrades. i understand that china and india where, uh, there is a serious pro-western mood, but in general you need to understand that if they think that they are sitting it is naive, if russia does not endure in this fight they will not be spared, and as they say , the hope that and we have economic ties with us, so to speak, we are very dependent on each other, we must pay tribute to the americans and the west. and they are not

sentimental about it. they go for it. i also talked about this often. i'm under some illusion that they're not ready to make sacrifices, that they are not ready for the cold, that they do not wash once a day, that they are not ready even so to say hunger to a certain extent for the sake of victory. they are ready. they are ready. this is actually the essence of the west, he has always been like that, we must give him his due, he was impudent, and, so to speak, was ready to make sacrifices, then, when it came to his total victory and if they win, listen, they become this world for many years for a decade and they will pump all of them out of it and they will fully compensate for everything, therefore, in this sense, we also need, of course, e look realistically at something and understand. by the way, i understand the idea. i absolutely agree that we should lose our people in military operations as little as possible, but on the other hand, we

must understand. the longer it lasts, the less beneficial it is for us, because this this this this this perceives as an element of weakness. and thoughts may arise, for example, to cut off our grouping in syria, such thoughts may arise, and i must say now this is being presented. and what yes can they can go for it they can do it and they can do it, so these options need to be calculated, maybe we need to strengthen the grouping, so to speak, maybe somewhere to narrow our presence to strengthen the grouping. uh, in ukraine , because no matter how we talk about the fact that, well, it's great that our army is with such small forces, but i think it's generally possible to imagine that with such forces it would be possible, for example, to take odessa or kiev, but this very difficult. this is this, and then the question arises. how to do denocification? how it can not be carried out in kyiv or

odessa, that is, a lot of questions arise, and then the question arises, maybe it is necessary to strengthen the grouping that works in ukraine, maybe those, so to speak, at the expense of the syrian one, i don’t know, i not military. it’s just that we have millions inside the country, we need to take this very seriously and we need to look at things realistically. we see that the special operation is still going on quite hard, of course, and i have no doubts about the heroism of our soldier officers, but uh, i must say that today she appears more like a positional war. and that's enough for us. it seems to me no no no no better option, and in so to speak, it is possible that it is not enough. uh, so to speak, some additional forces is what the americans say about the donkey. not well, yes,

they are given to him to weaken. we don't care whatever the process of war, it weakens us, we spend a huge amount of weapons. i hope that our industry is working at full capacity, but i understand that such devices as calibers, you will not make them like fried pies. this this a serious matter, this is necessary. it needs time. it needs resources. this is necessary, that is, we are, as it were, wasting many of our resources, which can give rise to these ideas that a might be us to intervene in this matter. or maybe they will intervene at the moment when they can feel that, so to speak, we already have a certain limit. eh, in some way, you understand, all this is necessary, i’m not the military, not the commander in chief, this is a huge responsibility for vladimir vladimirovich, but i mean that we should really look at things and realistically assess the situation and understand that

it is quite difficult. i believe in our victory, because we have no other way out, we have another way out, but we must determine for ourselves the same thing that is our victory where we must declare it. how are we supposed to say that. hmm to declare that we have achieved the goals that we want, because it is clear that we have different thoughts here. so to say, of course, it would be nice to cut off ukraine from the black sea. it would be nice, but for this you need to take odessa and nikolai well izmail necessarily nikolaevna from my odessa take say. well i am for i absolutely i am absolutely i am absolutely anew while we are, as they say, uh, i am in general, eh. i don't really understand why we can't resolve the issue of mariupol, i don't really believe in this

pseudo-humanity. i don’t really understand this, you understand, because in fact this is a very important information, as they say, the reason is that they began to continue to remain in azov, so to speak, these uh, lord, you understand, and i am absolutely sure that this is probably , can be solved a path, not not through the life of our soldier officers, but through, so to speak, the use of some fairly powerful weapons, but it seems to me that this is strange. civil there they don't, where from where why they don't come out today. listen, if you have already started a war, you need to understand that a war is a war, and the sooner it ends, the better for everyone, and therefore i am absolutely in favor of an early cessation of hostilities as soon as possible, but this is necessary. uh, so to speak , solve the issues so that it looks exactly

as for this we need real military success. we need another question. how it will be decided by our commander in chief. in short, me. uh, i think we should be realistic enough . yes and the last thing i want to say. and of course in the issue of import substitution. we have found, however, that since the fourteenth year, many things have not been done that should have been done. by the way, here, in my opinion, in your studio i spoke about the problems that the skins of the industry, and in the film industry there is nothing at all to produce television industry, to be produced, as they say, by a domestic manufacturer. i'm here. you see, dima is talking about blitzkrieks. they did not want to make a blitzkrieg in the economy, it will come in 6-7-8 months. you see, we have stocks in the cinema. there are reserves, but strictly speaking, if some kind of domestic production is not established or

there is some kind of tolerance in some other way. you know, we can not meet in this studio anymore. i don't know how it is. it's all imported. and i haven't seen one yet attempts. i said, well, it's naive to think that the ministry of culture can solve this issue, it should be decided at the level of the first person or prime ministers. do you understand? it this question can be solved at the level of copying. it is necessary to copy, spit on patent law and copy. here's how the soviet union did it? how did china do it? here's your camera. do the same will do. maybe not as good, but it will work. here 's an optics for you, but it's at this level it's necessary, but it must be decided, until i see at all no attempts. even here, as they say, to do something in this direction, and there is a feeling that again there is some inner. uh, so to speak, the understanding that, well, somehow it will end, and then everything will be fine. no, i don't think it's going to be okay. even if

you finish the military operation, then, as they say, the sanction will be another matter, that it will probably make it easier for us with china, with china it will make it easier for some of these, well, they all produce some. unfortunately , you understand, therefore, therefore, it is necessary in this sense too to solve the issues of this import substitution is quite important. and it seems to me that it is necessary to solve this radically, i listened, and i love and respect you very much, you know. mutually, but i will allow myself. here's a little bit for god's sake. so we have a discussion. here are the americans. in order to break the spirit of the japanese people, they dropped two atomic bombs, they did not care about the japanese. the allied troops destroyed dresden as a result of my blockade in order to save prague people were laid down, but tried not to

destroy the cities and reduce possible losses among the civilian population is not sure that it was right? i'm talking about this, but we are always like this, because now win. yes, it’s not a question, that is, forces and means allow, but this victory will be on ruins and on colossal ones. i can’t imagine the bombs. there is a civilian population. thank you, god, and how now, for example, yes, azov became, what we did, we understand that they took civilian hostages, so it switched from a military operation to an anti-terrorist one, we understand that the war can be ended very quickly. we have overwhelming dominance in new types of weapons, but now the same americans say that russia used, relatively speaking, 2,000 missiles there, and he says that 2,000 civilians died. this means that we are definitely not hitting residential areas, unlike

them, who are hitting residential areas in the donbass with dots. despite the fact that there is the death of civilians - it is necessary to watch and read there. war is always a tragedy, but we are trying to minimize it. let me remind you that in the first month what the americans staged in in iraq, so many civilians died there that it’s scary to say ukrainians after all. for us, this is not a war. that is why this is a special military operation. therefore, it is not easy for us now in these matters, but we cannot lose ourselves. why among our people no one believes when we are accused of a storm and everything else, because we know. what is a russian soldier. well, we know what we understand that they are trying to reach a situation where there will be no other way out except nuclear, but it depends on what is on the other side of what it is goes? now we are grinding. by the way, i'm sorry,

i, by the way, think and believe that i'm not against, for example, hmm, suppose that there could be negotiations between our president and zelensky, i do n't think it is? no, i don't think so, because it demonstrated that russia is a different matter. what they end up makes no sense to spend. in any case, this would demonstrate our desires russia that we are ready for some kind of dialogue, and another question is that, most likely, this will not end, but i do not see this is the problem. so to accuse me of inhumanity, it seems, let's demolish, but the question of import substitution is a question of the economy. now it is important, the more we see how the west openly rob us. now, in general, it came to hamsa yes, that is, let's take away everything that is. e russian, including the state in america, let's give it to ukraine a. we can somehow counteract everything economically. well, i'll

continue. the thought expressed is that, of course, uh, we have a special operation in ukraine. and we ourselves are there we are trying to somehow gently show that we are going in the struggle to destroy nazism, while preserving the civilian population. but if we throw a bridge into our life , our economy, then there is no special operation here. this is pure war. here, no one limits us, not in our actions, not in understanding, the consequences expected for us, and most importantly, in the application of those rules that will now be completely different, nothing is holding us back. you correctly mentioned law there, but here we must not only forget about patents. here we only need to remember what the president said at a meeting with advice from the legislator. he said that we managed to endure. the first blow can be assessed in different ways , but the financial system has withstood industrially , but this is not enough. now the most important thing for us is to go further, and he mentioned that we need not only to fight for industrial technological sovereignty, but we must do everything so that we have a

breakthrough in many areas, including in the export niche, but, in other words, about import substitution, which is a problem for our country today in import substitution. well, first of all, this is competition with those cheap goods that, either already under a gray scheme, or under expected contracts from india and china, can come by itself, we still uh, we have a second problem - this is that there are those niches and there are a lot of them, where the initial costs for the creation of this or that product of equipment are significantly higher than in mass production, and this risk cannot be taken by a segment, so the state must take it upon itself. uh, above all support this and take all the risks associated with it. we should finally understand that quantity. you money should not be tied to gold reserves. we continue to insist that it is possible to use not only the new budget rule, when all proceeds from the sale of hydrocarbons go to the government's accounts. it is necessary to add it is necessary to increase the

money supply specifically targeted and control. this is already a big positive that the meeting with the central bank started with the central bank. we heard at least what the topic itself, connected with itself, admits, but it was it is said that the central bank does not support the targeted mission, because it is very difficult to administer this process. well, i have an immediate answer. but maybe then try to learn how to administer, moreover, for this there is all the tools of all his government. and if we learn, we will thereby ensure the availability of that money supply, which, purposefully under the auspices of the government, can be directed to the real industries, it doesn’t matter if it’s housing or the creation of some kind of production associated with plastic injection, by the way, a huge problem for our country. they can enumerate these problems. we have thousands of problems and thousands of opportunities, and the state must assume the responsibility to indicate the general lines. and then give private business the opportunity to implement this, and here the question arises due to what cheap money is only cheap money, moreover,

without any obligations, without any collateral for a specific task and goal, but with control and strict control. the first step has been taken, uh, on the limitation. uh, the currency area. look what happened to us today the government can actually control the exchange rate of the ruble for a sufficiently long time, thereby ensuring stability for this process, when we talk about currency control, we are talking about the need to maintain a liberal approach to currency control for importers and exporters. strict control for those who are considering investments direct investments in the country's economy are speculative in general, and we will immediately face the fact that the money supply will remain in the country. moreover, we must continue to pay population is not one-time to make them systematic, we will make it possible to purchase those goods that will fight inflation. the president has already said about this, that inflation must be fought through the creation of a mass of commodities. so let's do it.

let's stop arguing about high or low interest if the central bank can't do it. let the government. let there be a parallel process, the financing of industry and, as a result, the creation of a mass of commodities. that is, this is the emergence of investment ruble. yes, and the ruble by weight, the ruble is the only thing. today, no one argues, the ruble has become an investment here. and most importantly, uh, the currency that can be saved must be trusted and that's it. there is no need to argue euro dollar, yuan, ruble further than our partner, we will exchange. look what happens to gas is very interesting. by the way, if i agree with you that the west is not simple. the west is very complicated, what it does today when it disputes, allegedly, there are written obligations to buy or or buy gas for rubles substitutes which countries who refused in the first place, poland bulgaria lord yes, but germany refused. she shows she still has the ability to say that he refused, but continues . for now, she has legal grounds, and she looks at the results, what will happen to these

unfortunate or powerful countries that consume 90% of russian gas. look, then they will draw conclusions, and i am almost sure that they will draw the right conclusions for themselves, otherwise they will have a catastrophe, but they are not simple. why because their economic actions are aimed at destroying our country and the only answer is to create a powerful economy to resist this and i will return to the idea that it is in our hands and i will build a bridge. we are there, we have an understanding today. maybe we don't talk about it, but we understand that we will have to restore some part of ukraine. where does the budget now in the ruble zone mean a convenient territory, where you can conduct not an experiment, but implement this idea with target. not not to give money, but to provide financing, including entrepreneurs and anyone else, whom the holy to create a new economy, new industry and give the population not one-time, but systematic payments that allow you to combine the money supply that

comes in the production of the money supply. she is consumption and let's understand that this is just the opportunity to demonstrate the effectiveness of this mechanism. you don't have to argue, you have to do it. we don't have time because i agree with you before me that we don't have time to fight. we must win this economy in this economic struggle. and the sooner we do this, the sooner support will be provided for success on the military front. but in our country today, yes, part of the territory of ukraine turned out to be a ruble zone and from there. what do they say ? it 's already being watched. that is, this is really an expansion of the economic zone, but here it is necessary to act. well, not beyond the possibilities. but we and the money was distributed. we distributed money to people there, then pensions were paid in rubles. this is all very good. we somehow approached china carefully.