nemchenko, we're rolling down the ladder 102 103. i'll check the prime minister's fuel and oil on may 9th at 21:20 on russia 1 channel we continue our discussion. that's where you touched on our correspondents. and in general, we touch this topic all the time. uh, which in quotation marks is called the information war, because everyone already seems to understand that it is much more complicated and there is a lot of things in all this . here but you have shown a very correct moment, all the same, reality lies at the base. because you can build like with a ghost. i discussed it was with the ghost of kiev and it was advertised and the ghost of kiev, he even flew for three weeks and leaked more than 40 of our planes. eh, i shot him down, but then

a month and a half later, on the fifth week, it turned out that it was a grandiose falsification, and then people understand that there is something to join, they can treat themselves. well, yes, we were lied to. well, it's probably for our own good. this is so that it was a good lie, well, so that all our people can see it. here they are and they take another step in this swamp. yes, and when it's a lie, it accumulates problem. that's about, but they also caught uh, about azov and hmm mariupol in general, as something that was defended after all. well, it's still there. uh, a cry about what they mean, well, control controls and here yesterday is literally. i looked and looked at me from they wrote an explosion occurred in ukrainian social networks, our comrade colleague vladimir solovyov visited. e, mariupol and the first photos appeared today. so in the morning he already

showed this tuba satangou there on the air. uh, but most importantly, here met people. so here this meeting with people, but there were photographs you can’t confuse, the sign of ilyich’s plant, yes, that is, well , it’s clear that all this is in place. and there is zrada, because we were told that only the russian edita is found in the outskirts. but in general, mariupol is still under control. yes, in general, you know, uh, here it is itself. here is the phenomenon itself. that's what's going on in call psychological warfare. yes, what kind of information do you want? and what they are doing now with ukrainian society, yes, and with western society, probably also to a greater extent, but on ukraine is completely different there, and these are two strategies, really. they are just pronounced. now

even in social networks, even in these wars between people. yes, in social networks there are two strategies, one is trying to operate with facts and the fact that but no, ours showed. here is the video, here it is, but from the other side. well, when you understand there is a person, well, it’s good there, these journalists are propagandists, there and so on, but there is a doctor yes, there is komarovsky, who, in general, was watched by our mothers. here they believed him, and so on. he is a pediatrician about kids there, there and this man is sitting on his blue eye talking about uh, milk. so, which was handed out and says humanitarian aid, and there the grandmother opens, and there is a lemon in this humanitarian pack of milk. well , you see, if you want, i looked with my own eyes, there is a string, he says, and it is tied to the string, it means a grenade and he is completely serious about this? ok then. well, maybe someone or there, right?

there are these bombs sewn into children, there is something else. well, there, well, some horrors just touched on horror. look, here we are and some of our guests are also surprised. how can we not love this. how to overcome, not any in our from the west it is necessary to somehow overcome it somehow. and look, when they go on tour, zelensky tells and he tells diplomats and journalists from the podium, russian soldiers cut off their heads and limbs. uh, sew up tnt. e in the inside. so to speak, making a mine out of it and so on. he says it all. yes, this is a complete total outright lie. well, imagine people in the west who already have russophobia. and to this lies the story of the whole president, well, the president in front of parliament, it seems, he won’t lie, but he will be a bastard . he woke to take. that's exactly the strategy.

that's exactly the strategy. that is, two here, yes, we say there we are fighting. we also somehow influence our people with information and there, otherwise the program, probably, is also informational in a sense. yes, but only we have such a path, and we cannot go down. well it can't if my president will talk about, uh, this same grenade would be in milk. i will stop believing him , you know, i will stop believing in this country. and they have nothing, and they have nothing, the real problem is that we are by and large limited by the truth of the horse, it can multiply itself, we repeatedly do this. it has already been discussed here about who actually mines the corpses, but we know these cases, for example, if at the watts morgue, when well, they didn’t sew there, yes, there are some means that were supposed to explode. these were some the belts that were worn on the e, the deceased person and the nurse discovered this and, as it were, called

sopers then, and such cases are not isolated. you know, i urge you to look through tourism, which is exactly what is being told now. and ukrainian propaganda is ukrainian president. and ukrainian bloggers are all about us , about our soldier, about there, about the people of donbass, about russians. it's just these crap. this is exactly what the ukrainian soldier does on the territory of ukraine with his own citizens. it's straight. here the same story. i, uh, recently returned from ah, well, this tour is the wrong name, and we already talked about the musical-patriotic marathon for russia. well, yesterday i literally flew in from ulyanovsk, you know me, but one of the meetings that took place in nizhny novgorod struck me. the fact is that i met with refugees, and the first, as i call the waves, are those people who left, pushili

announced to us the evacuation, let me remind you. it was february 18th. yes, and these people came to donetsk. i remember it very well, and i also remember your reports, a and a these people ended up in nizhny radi on the 22nd, i would like to focus on these people. you know, and i, as it were, communicated with a rather small group, there were only 70 of them, initially there were more than 100, but by easter, as it happens with us, donetsk residents, they were so homesick in nizhny novgorod that they said, it will be okay that will and went back to donetsk because they could no longer be in russia, of course, not a foreign land, but in the sense that they could not be outside the house. and so, what struck me, in in principle, i know that i also have it inside me, like 50 children among refugees. of course, they all went, uh, uh, to schools or kindergartens in nizhny novgorod, and and i saw this, even in the hall, when i was sitting, what they say, and parents to their children. you please behave. okay. here, don't mess around.

there, try to answer there. why because you will be judged by the whole region is very exciting, that's for a parent. it's kind of a child's prank. it's a reputational risk, and he cares what the refugees say. and how they behave remembered with childhood, but, probably, it could be with us, and in other places it was also like that, yes, but we had it when the children were told to behave well there . they will think about us. yes, because they thought of us. this is what you're talking about. this is indeed such an imperative, and we definitely have it in donbass. i see directly how this happens, and they naturally look. they are watching. they don't just watch tv. they scroll through telegram and say what they are doing, and refugees in western europe, that is people from donbass are ashamed of what the conditional refugee from kiev is doing, and he says, how is it? this is, that is, we are all, that is, we even

think of ukrainian refugees, too, my god, but behave yourself decently, but with you, what kind of slavs are we all. what, you can’t behave normally and it turns out. that's how i was then lying in the evening and thinking, it turns out that the ukrainians. and in general, in general, all refugees from ukraine are such special people who pretend that everyone owes them everything, and at the same time we are transported to nizhny novgorod. novgorod there are these refugees from donetsk who tell us we are ashamed in front of the russians in the sense that we came. we thought we will come for 3 weeks , or there for four. but now we are here, there we are, they settled us, and there, and they are fed, he says, we are ashamed that we should accept this help. we would like to work, we would like to bring some benefit, that is, people inside themselves have a huge conscience and a huge one. well , maybe even pride in the fact that they are russian people, donbass people, and what do we see behind outside here outside of ukraine what get up, uh, ukrainian refugees. these are two completely

different worlds. where odin says, i demand europe owes me, please. here, give me this, this, this, this, worn-out things and allowances there 700 euros for an apartment. i can't pay. and here i see donbass people for 8 years who have lived under shelling and who are forced not to work now and they say we need a job. we need to do something. we and they, by the way, do. they go to these centers where some kind of humanitarian. they try to help volunteers. quite simply. they really try to help. this is such a huge difference. in what it is very simple. this is a difference of 8 years of upbringing, because in 8 years the ukrainian holy class, which has now gone to europe for the most part, was inspired by two very serious thoughts. the first thing that everyone owes them and the second is that everything is possible for them simply, because they a are a great nation that stands in the way of the

morder that protects all of europe from mordor. these ideas were infected not only by ukrainian rita, she and successfully broadcast to the level of the broad masses and the broad masses come to europe they really tell all this, they really believe it themselves and they and when mr. melnik begins to tell that the german chancellor, it turns out, is liver sausage, and that the german chancellor is behaving badly . this is not his personal point of view, it is the point of view of the entire ukrainian class, who believes that europe owes them, if let me go back to the myths that we talked about, yes, we are limited not only by the truth, we are limited humanity in the russian internet space telegram space, these terrible myths about ukrainians are not spread, because we consider them people from their side. again, 8 years of upbringing plus. there, 20 years of white's upbringing, which was before that, led to the fact that russia in their eyes is completely inhuman and a russian soldier

can actually sew a landmine in the stomach of a living child from their point of view, and moreover, europeans adhere to the same point of view. at least journalists, because in their eyes. also a successful time humanely, this is the result of, uh, 10-15 years of a very intensive policy of dehumanization we are reaping. well, everyone now draws a kind of ghosts within their competence. yes, someone draws the ghost of kiev, someone else draws, uh, the ghost, uh, like ursula fonderlein, along with valdis dobroskis. uh, ghost of such a europe free of russian oil. that's probably whoever believes in all these ghosts will lose, because it is obvious that the reality is different. today, the sixth e package of sanctions will be implemented, but already by it is obvious to all indirect signs that there will be no refusal of oil there, that the economy is acting differently. rotterdam today says, what a refusal of oil , eight huge ships will come to me in the next week, and we are waiting until they bring us paper. we will wait and

we will unload this oil. uh, mario draghi is doing his homework by the thirtieth. may, prepare for the leaders. weird. meetings of the leaders of the eu countries in order to make their formula e. oil price ceiling prices he her, well, this is actually funny. and somewhere he prepares the whole approach it already, by the way changes a few, if at first there were carpet such sanctions, then now the sanctions in relation to the approaches of the formulas and us, uh, give a small small amount of time. that's probably the seventh package of sanctions will be the most terrible of the sixth, uh, the ninth, the eighth will be more than between 24 and 31. let's sigh, which is tied to the iphone here. listen to the thirtieth thirty-first of may, when it will be, just them themselves, there they will already form. here are these single mechanisms that can turn into a huge machine. it will be already harder more in the world. you know, always and so

from childhood they taught themselves not to scare themselves, because this is always the most effective fear, which is well , yes, here, but you see, you are telling. you know, scarier and scarier, you know, in our cinema and in the literature of front-line writers , such a thing was often used, like a cliché. although i don’t even dare to use the word cliché for this phrase. but he just used it often and i understand why it’s not scary that they won’t send him further than the front. you see, if we will all treat it this way, then you say there will be terrible sanctions beyond the front, they won’t send. remember how it is. well, it's very simple. it's a very simple reality, like in a movie. this chief gives us the opportunity to rehabilitate. now we have time to quickly group and i want to prepare, after all, to oppose yegorka , who says, for some reason the ukrainians think that europe owes them something. they just think, and

not just should she just marry ukraine. after what ukraine has done for us. you know, there are two options here, either she even get married, or go to the prosecutor, there is no grief anymore. so i understand. well, here you have to either get married or go to the prosecutor, you understand? because every time you come try to praise and not take. but somehow you already know that. well, somehow it already looks like public. now for the manipulation. you understand, there are different ways of manipulation. well , everyone here works in the information field. you can tell the truth. and? well, if it is beneficial to you, yes, but you can keep silent. can you tell half the truth? diluting it with the truth, well, you can manipulate it in different ways, but what i see in ukraine and how they treat it, but it’s just a continuous stream of lies, which, well, doesn’t even require, well, absolutely nothing and and it’s all perceived do you understand what infuriates me most of all, that this is all perceived? sometimes it seems to me that if tomorrow zelensky says, we all defeated russia because we learned how to extract gold from the

clouds. i'm sure 90% of ukrainians will say exactly that's for sure we have learned how to extract gold from the clouds. you understand what level of manipulation, in general? it 's not it's not it, it didn't even happen yesterday. this. well, i've lived my whole life consciously. yes , you can blame the ukrainian people that they may be somewhat naive, gullible there believe in some things. but what has happened in the last eight years. i think any information, even the most in general. well, it's impossible. all there scenarios it can be very easily imposed in this country. maybe that's why ukraine has become so attractive to the west, and maybe that's why therefore, ukraine is one of the republics that worked on all the republics turned out to be the most successful project of the americans, where they could not realize all their practical goals of the task, because such people are gullible, such politicians are corrupt, such a level of corruption. well, everything

matched. you know, in this country. that's all matched up. well, maybe that’s why look, it’s not only in ukraine yes, this is democracy, autocracy, a favorite reasoning of the name of a comrade, a badin before him, there, many also argue all this like democracy and autocracy. right now, this package of sanctions on oil, they cannot agree, they won’t accept it now, what kirill said, but because they agreed to close three russian tv channels in the european union easily right away. it's just done. what a democracy. what freedom of speech? that's what we're looking at, right? well, you have to live it all, because you understand, here we are well, there, well, except for anya, we are all about the same generation, yes, uh, but we remember, all this is the beginning of the 90s the end of the eighties. this is such a crystal palace of european civilization, in which the good fellow of the law reigns freedom of speech, yes, freedom of speech and all that other stuff. now, i would now, uh, well,

watch a short speech by sergei viktorovich lavrov, and then we will quickly exchange opinions, so the americans and their other allies are running around the world, threatening people, forcing them to join the sanctions to vote against russia you know, i don't think it's worth it. for any country that respects itself know they recently mentioned the undersecretary of state, wendy sherman said recently in the discussion, india in the context of what is happening now, uh, in ukraine and around them, said that it is necessary to help the indians understand what is good for security for their security. how do you like this statement? it's not just some small island state

saying to india the same thing is being said publicly to china that china should play by the rules. i think someone in britain said that china must respect the rules otherwise china will punish. it was said publicly. what is the nature of the colonial relationship completely unacceptable? and many of these people tell us that this is a struggle of democracy against autocracy? what kind of democracy is this if they don't care about democracy in international relations? they just say that you must obey us. they are not just autocrats, they are even dictators and they threaten to punish the people of countries that do not join their politics. very

unfortunate. this is very unfortunate for western civilization. if that's really how things are going. it would seem that. well, this is a very common thing. and i i say that it contains the essence of this whole thing, because if we don’t keep this essence, then it will be there, well, it’s easy to fear giving the case it’s not about a special operation in ukraine and not about what will happen from this territory, that is not so not only not only with these it is impossible to work if you do not understand the next level yes, the confrontation between russia and the west well, it is also impossible to work with this if you do not understand all this as a whole, like the question you said about. e lavrov, because the question is whether it will be reproduced or whether it will be established in a new way over world colonial power. and, in principle, this is a historical question, and like a nesting doll, everything else is built from this question, up to the

events taking place in the donbass and within this process. this is what we are already here i am, as it were, a frame if colonization, then inside there is another process called colonization itself. this is what we are observing just on the subject of what is happening here, because these, well, elites are all around the perimeter of russia, it is they who voluntarily went to this self-colonization, then they voluntarily exported their capitals. they formed themselves inside there. ah such here traitors future. they sold themselves like that there, yes, that is, they also had a sense in this, here i will earn self-colonization with the help of culture there. they also loved all sorts of forums and bring. there are all these platforms. we saw, yes, that is, they spent the resources that they earned here in every possible way, and now they were put before the elections, the resources are well worked out, and now no one spoke about the war and i’m scared to say them in this sense, because we see even on example of our elite, yes, which is torn apart, he

cannot understand, and here is money and here are apartments, and here everything is and how where and here is the audience, but the process that occurs in parallel right there, which is very important, look. here we are talking about ukrainian lies, yes, which is constantly happening, but this is not a lie. this is an instrument of emotional pumping of the european union for its very ukrainization. why do they still understand? they never thought about ukraine, about russia, about something else, and now it’s just the appearance of scary ones. uh, well, frames - it is an instrument of e-ukrainization. and why do they ban military correspondents? i will explain why exactly sanctions against anchors so that later even people could not send them to publish this consul culture. that is, respectively, everyone who fell under and the battleships have a real picture, that is, so that the europeans could not even publish it on their social networks, to be honest, they can’t really do it anyway, but about self-colonization , semyon is absolutely to the point e, and about ours. uh, these internal ones yes, these e cultural changers,

there and so on, this one is absolutely the same. you see , when people who, in uh, in russian culture , in this field, just earned their living and who then say that it’s good to wear monuments to pushkin. that's what we had , yeah, and that's what they wanted to, uh, get it, you know, and that's all of it, that's it, that's a layer of culture, and in this economy, er, there's, well, any kind of politics. yes, it must be the foreign ministers who say that russia does not have its own interests. we remember that russian culture, that pushkin's neighbor correctly does the unnecessary, that's all. we must all repent to kneel. it is very good that now our people can see it. yes, that’s all the insignificance of these people, and then, what else should i be or talk in some strange way, for example, they sang at events that were state-style and did

n’t bother anything, and they received their budgets, and then they talk about that, for example, they refused to go there by some, well, or a bi-2 group. yes, this is also a well-known case, you know, i want return to previous. according to the plot to vladimir solovyov, we somehow jumped very quickly. i would like to stop there. and you know, this is a very important point. the fact is that a fairly large number of people have been talking about the donbass for 8 years, because there are experts who have the appropriate education there and they even evaluate it, but, well, as if from the outside, yes, without having been inside, and well it’s like you and i, we’re from there, we’re not so scared, and i want to say, here, i just really admire, but this act, because, firstly, it is not easy to go to the donbass with a certain background, which vladimir solovyov has, it is to go where you are, you can be exposed there. well, i don't know, some kind of assassination attempt or something else. that is, you

just might not get out, because it's too dangerous, it's nearby, no matter how close it is anyway , well, you need to be a really brave person. and it's very, very cool. really it's cool. and we saw. the shots are like, but he communicates with the locals. by the way, saying my mother said, i talked to the people of mariupol. and how are we? here with us, in general, to me, well, yes, denis vladimirovich said that vladimir anatolyevich is on your first visit. i hope that now they will be regular, not only to vladimir dol'fovich. yes, we realized that he is incredibly brave, but i want to say that here are my subscribers. and they reacted very negatively to the fact that he went to the donbass because, and they wrote like this, why does he expose himself to such hyper-hazard? indeed, it is really necessary here in order to to do some information work, that is, people really worry about him. i, well, i’ll say that. it is very important to come and talk to these

people. i think it's important for the people there mariupol it's impossible to overestimate. well, that's what matters. i'm here, i'll just say it myself. when every time i come to donetsk there is no. there, in gorlovka, somewhere else, somewhere else, i am. from there i'm leaving, well, with some coup in my head. this is important for him, of course, you understand, yes, it is important to see for yourself this example should be and for all other people who work with this topic. it is important to visit and see with your own eyes the city that has been resisting nazism and fascism for eight long years. it is very common, when on may 16 the ban on russians to visit donbass is lifted. then perhaps, i hope, more people will go. i would still go back to our so -called ritka yes, from there the purification that you speak of, and here, in fact, how does it happen? this feeling this feeling is happening. excuse the hands of the state, when the state indirectly or not indirectly these people are correct they do what they punish, but i sincerely would like the cleansing to take place either by the hands of people

who do not go to these concerts and do not buy products or not, because all our discussions and the most must be turned to ourselves. well , if you don't like someone like that. don't go to a concert, and so to speak, don't listen in this sense, and everything will be very short audible. these may be cynical words, but war is always a process of purification and the point is not who died there or who is there uh, tam uh, and so on the question in relation to and in general the reaction of people to the events that are taking place, of course, no one is delighted, neither in ukraine nor in russia, that we have this conflict, so to speak, but, unfortunately, very many people. quite literate smart, seemingly not stupid, at least, but still have not drawn conclusions. why this war? in principle, it happened and and what is the purpose of all that we have witnessed, what we have become, you understand, it’s okay, forgivable

for a person who, perhaps because of something what well, he doesn’t have enough here, we’re just discussing the elite who know, but unfortunately. you know how to say out loud what you really can’t think, but tries to settle down to where it’s more comfortable, where it’s cozier, and where they feel good warm and light, unfortunately, this applies to both of our countries, continuing the words of the minister. lavrov really countries that do not create a surplus product, it is very difficult for him to pursue an independent policy and he has to adapt to those who dictate certain conditions to them. and at we have such a half-joke, what uh? why russia is never friends with the strange west and is good friends with the rest of the countries of africa and southeast asia there because the most, shall we say, elite graduates. gemog is just heading for the warmest areas, so nothing works out for us , and real professionals are working with everyone else. here, let's say, according to the minister of oil, uh, the forces of nigeria yes, he says that people from russia have already come to me

who want to help build, uh, a gas pipeline from nigeria in morocco there, well, the atlantic ocean. e. well, here, this is also one of these proactive approaches , then what are we talking about, if europe is at least from russian gas from the african pipeline russian e, which can also be alternative , well, there the cost of course, the cost of 25 billion dollars thousand kilometers . i think that in general we are now on the verge of such historical changes, including social ones . you see, it's interesting because perestroika is all. this desire will be built into the west, but it was deep you can dig starts there from the styles and the sixties. and this, if we take the sixties first, ends to this day. here is the outlook. uh, the epoch of the worldview we practically do not discuss this, but sorry, this is already. well, almost 80 years. that's all we have right now, see the program to conduct. and we will see each other in this

studio tomorrow see you soon. in makiivka, the fire station at the oil depot is still extinguished after the strike by ukrainian troops britain was subject to sanctions against our vgtrk holding and specific journalists in russia, they are launching a new preferential mortgage program at 5%. first things first, in our peasants in evgeny's studio the number of victims due to the shelling of an oil base in the dpr increased to 11 people, one more was killed ukrainian military attacked an object in the settlement of makeevka with multiple launch rocket systems. fire tornado. four fuel tanks and several emergency fuel trucks caught fire.