interferes with solving other tasks, in particular, in the south of ukraine, in kherson, in zaporozhye, e-e in zaporozhye regions, in nikolaev, therefore, it seems to me that our ministry of defense is here. well, of course, they have their own plans for the ministry of defense, but my impression is that somehow they still need to be crushed there with mariupol. we must also finish with, uh, this kramatorsk group. what else i want to say is that there has been a very active, uh, talk about the possible use of nuclear weapons. it seems to me that this unacceptable, because that's all this rhetoric, how many nuclear weapons we have. how many nuclear weapons do americans have? she's not she 's just not needed. just as there is no need to talk about

mobilization. uh, well, what kind of mobilization? why is mobilization here? putin allegedly on the ninth day will declare war on ukraine and declare everything a general mobilization, but this was reported by cnn, but you see, i have a military man. why announce the mobilization of the mobilization of the day m. that's in order to e this implies, of course, the formation of new parts connections, otherwise why mobilize? some are equipped to replenish, so to speak, retired. uh, there are enough armed forces out of the reserve, therefore, in order to, uh, form a division to equip. uh, to carry out operational combat coordination is m + 90 m90, this is the standard for the division. but it

doesn’t make sense to call additional people into the military space forces for another 3 months, of course, we have some kind of reserve, uh, equipment, but the school graduates a sufficient number of pilots training pilots is a matter. that is to say, very expensive long-term flyers. we don’t, therefore, there is no point in calling on the mobilized military space forces, the naval navy. it is all staffed with concrete contractors to build new ships, too, uh, these are also years, so i don’t understand at all where such a discussion comes from that we will now announce mobilization, in addition to all, of course, these questions. so peskov said clearly. yes, nonsense. this is from all points of view. this is nonsense. and now putin comes out at the parade, and says,

we are mobilizing, and we are declaring war ukraine everything. well, everything for the front, everything for the victory of mobilization. no, you don't even need to talk about it. just like you don't need to. there is no need to talk about it when russia uses nuclear weapons there, when the united states uses nuclear weapons there. i am sure that we will cope even without nuclear weapons, nuclear weapons are needed, if only they attack us directly. of course, they attack us directly, then we have a military doctrine for this. it defines two cases of the use of nuclear weapons. even there is this deterrent weapon, this deterrent they attack, of course, this weapon is not deterrence, and it works. this deterrence has worked for 50 years and will continue to work. moreover , we have systems, so to speak, of high-precision weapons and hypersound, we have appeared. well, we are not in such a position that we have nothing but nuclear weapons, there would be such a period in the nineties, when we really actually had nothing but nuclear weapons.

it was the only insurance for our struck forces for our state. now the situation has completely changed. and uh, despite all the talk, the ladies aren't very efficient. here the americans are very exaggerated that we are not very effective in ukraine, it should have been said so, if there were russian armed forces . really. here, more exactly american. they would have finished this case in 2 days. it's true. there were such hopes that 2 days was destroyed, critical infrastructure, what was done, practically destroyed the air force of the navy the fleet, of course, was logical to the kiev leadership, so to speak, to propose to stop, so to speak, resistance and sit down at the negotiating table, but it did not happen. but nevertheless, the russian armed forces. it's been grinding for 2 months now. uh, the entire potential of the ukrainian armed forces into the military potential of the state is quite methodical

, and i think, i am sure that this will all end, so to speak, with success. i would like it to be faster, of course, but here already, unfortunately. well, in general, evgeny petrovich and i seem to agree that we need less talk about nuclear weapons. but you see on the other side. it is impossible not to see that in general the conflict is becoming more and more violent and large- scale, and here the options can be the most pessimistic. in general , after the last announcement of the us president that the goal of the united states to inflict a strategic defeat on russia in general, this whole story is turned upside down, that is, we and so they knew that we are in conflict with the west, but this is a direct

declaration of war. this is a direct declaration of war. this is strictly speaking. the goal is to inflict a strategic defeat on the russian federation to inflict a strategic defeat. we understand what it threatens so much. we understand that this is the loss of part of the territories, most likely, the dismemberment of the country with all the consequences. well, tell me, in these conditions , nuclear weapons can be used. what can? moreover, this may be the only option. perhaps, you understand, that is, an escalation - i understand that our leadership has. as yevgeny petrovich correctly says in the head of this not now, but we don't know how events will develop. we don't know how much this is going to be more and more aggravated huge support. e understandable. the west is, which is on the quality of it, by the way, i will remind you something. petrovich, too, by the way, in the doctrine of the nato countries during the cold war in the period of the ussr, there was the use of

nuclear weapons. not even in response. and for example, like this, tank ones, because then we had an overwhelming advantage in conventional weapons ; they had this in doctrine. and she remember, i'll remind you that the caribbean crisis. it was not hidden. they they were going to use nuclear weapons only on what we say, we will put our missiles on well, how was it it was everything it was kennedy with great difficulty managed to prevent this in a direct way, but i'm not saying, only i ask you not to pull out from my words and do not distort, because very often we know that it is all twitching and pulling out, then nazarov proposed to apply the step. no, i'm not in favor of this at all. i'm just saying what a threat this threat exists. it even consists in the fact that from time to time i would watch our liberal and ukrainian ones there, they are constantly trying to convince

themselves and the population that this is impossible, but this is the problem, which is really, well, imagine a situation when it suddenly with such a huge advantage of the west, there may be a situation that will already pose a threat to the integrity of the russian federation that it is impossible. moreover , i will say a blasphemous thing - a nuclear strike on the allies of the united states. doesn't mean they they will answer absolutely. moreover, i am sure that they will not answer, therefore, in general, the temptation of this situation is very high, and in this sense, this situation seems to me more and more dangerous, so i just think that maybe it would be reasonable still try to find some opportunities for negotiations. clearly not with ukraine the united states. maybe not public, as i remember

the cuban missile crisis, of course, it took place all under the table . it happened this, but, in principle, it is generally logical to say, what do you guys want? what are you up to? want to bring the situation? it is clear that negotiations are always a compromise, it is clear from both sides. yes? this is clear, but it's just that the situation, in my opinion, is so dangerous, and it can get out of control, i repeat, so that there is no more speculation. i am categorically against this. i categorically emphasize that i am sure that the russian leadership does not have such plans today. but they will cut off this part of the reward and you know how they will present it. come on, let him present it how you want, but i'm just saying it, because i and how a citizen and somehow say, but the option that you describe is described in our doctrine, and it is in

our doctrine this option when there is a direct threat to the life of the existence of the state. maybe in a situation in this situation, we see how the event develops, we see how the events develop , so to speak, in fact, the west declares a war of annihilation on us. this is a fact in itself, which, as they say, requires reflection. if this will be accompanied by a massive. eh, so to speak, a transfer weapon, but quite, perhaps, it will come into his head, for example, to put it there. and polyakov, for example, and this, maybe you can get into your head, you understand? i allow everything. we always proceed from the fact that people are reasonable. well, people are people. smart, they are reasonable in general and structurally speaking, one must proceed, not from the best and from the worst, so this option, in my opinion, is possible and for me it is enough. uh, it's getting more and more dangerous because i can see how things are unfolding. they develop

unpredictably a week ago. that's every day everything is getting tougher. all this bitterness is happening and, as they say, complete we have seen how our wars develop. that's how they develop always warriors start in order to stop tomorrow all the warriors started world war i, world war ii. here we stop this breakfast, then it turns out that suddenly it is impossible to stop it entails a complete disaster, so to speak , and so on, so of course well, my position is known. we need to get out of this situation. saving face and success is for sure, but i'm not i exclude what makes sense from a nuclear strike and a non-nuclear strike. well, it would be nice, yes, for all this to be done without nuclear strikes, you understand, because this is, of course, drozd is already a completely different quality, so, uh, the

leadership does not know, so to speak, decides, but maybe make some last chance. i do not know, maybe they are not the last not the last. but are we absolutely trying to do something, i will repeat not with ukraine, not with zelensky, because it is pointless. it is necessary to talk with americans with americans, not even with europeans. apparently, although it may be very with the europeans, he did not say that he would not use nuclear weapons during the special operation of russia - this was not planned. as a matter of fact, there are no such military plans, but this, of course, absolutely and uh, nonsense, yes, and there is no situation, of course, which would be here at this stage or there at the stage there in case of a deterioration in the situation of improvements, yes or a month later contributed that we have such a need. yes, hawks. of course, we also have enough. enough. well, of course. this is the last

means of protection is protection, of course, if it means the country, the native beloved will be in danger directly, then, i think that the hand will not touch it. but it must be immediate. the direct danger there is serious missiles, serious missiles that will fly several thousand kilometers, and this can reach several thousand kilometers. no, well, destroy them, what are we going to do destroy destroy the military will destroy. you know, this is the myth. who walks, that's in uh in the media on all conferences over the past 10 years, that in russia there is an official, so to speak, doctrine of escalation for de-escalation, that is, in order to stop, so to speak, any conflict with the use of conventional means of destruction of russia can inflict. so to speak, a strike with nuclear tactical

ammunition in order to send a signal, so that it’s time to finish at times, but nonsense, but there is no such doctrine. americans europeans say, yes, definitely there is. you have a secret appendix to this doctrine. here in this secret position. this i know. i know a man who started in the mid nineties. this duck in uh for publication at the request of american friends was the secret protocol of the ground-ribbentrop pact. here , here, here, here, well, nonsense, this is, well, rubbish alone, it is to pay attention to this. yes? let's move now to the donbass , the founder and commander of the brigade is in direct contact with us. vostok alexander khodakovsky and alexander hello , welcome to welcome you. here's the lightning just flew in from reno news. second bus another 13 civilians stood up, including

one child energy. they talked about something not 500. the inhabitants who were taken out of azov became and more. of course, we all saw footage of a wounded azov man. allegedly during the evacuation. tell what's going on explain these news from different sources. in fact , 24 people have been taken out so far, the latest information has come from one of our extreme positions that it has passed by by the observer a serviceman with two bandages on his hands, this is our cognitive sign, followed him, followed by several people, 12 people, they specifically went. uh, towards the bridge to the east. it was clearly established that they plunged into the bus and departed information half an hour ago. before that, there were about 12 people. well, somewhere, probably, two or three

hours ago, i’m definitely not ready to tell you. yes, indeed , the number of people who were taken out today for being tired is not as large as expected, but we the whole day preparing for this very morning, high-ranking military commanders marched right along the bridge in front of the bulldozer, which cleared the way for them to this bridge, which was not previously exploited, and under which is located from the position of the enemy on the right to the left. from it is our position. there, we simply squeezed the enemy under the wagons. and right on top of uh, on this bridge there was today uh, there was a car, as we can see even in the record i uh un and a bus that was supposed to evacuate people and civilian people with identification marks with flags. that is, they also stood in this position. well, almost four hours there, probably, in anticipation, and at the current moment there was an on-air team on the territory of dan. e, so that the tank will work on the territory controlled by the enemy and clears the rubble and everyone was given

the setting to fire on the tank do not open, as for, as for the wounded ukrainian soldier or is it a member of the national battalion and i won’t claim the call, it really was a tough setting for all, which we observed strictly did not move around the territory. we were not even able to carry out the morning rotation at our combat positions, because the ukrainians were doing this installation at the same time. uh, the ukrainian side tried to regroup, moved around the territory of the plant, because the ban on movement was violated, fire was opened preemptively and accordingly. well, as it turned out that it turned out to be effective, therefore, there is no need to violate it. uh, use truce mode the evacuation of civilians in order to resolve their military issues, that is, the people of azov are aware of these agreements on humanitarian corridors. and just like that. how do you explain in small batches people are released or exchanged there for food for

medicines. why 12 12? why not everything at once, relatively speaking, i can only speculate, if they have already reached the point that they use civilian civilians as an exchange material. after all, they demanded one thing today, in my opinion, i’m drowning, there are products in exchange for some a group of civilians that will not be released, but i can assume that they continue to expect to use the civilians they hold in the same way , well, for the purpose of acquiring some kind of benefit for themselves. specifically, what do they suppose. it seems to me that here it’s already as if some kind of rubicon has been translated in their minds, there are no questions of morality and morality, and they simply bargain for themselves. there every day of life every day of freedom. and so they do this to civilians, as with an exchange fund. well, such only, well in fact, they confirms confirms. the claim that was made because they are holding civilians virtually as

hostages. there is no nobility here. no, there is obvious pragmatism here. well, and, accordingly, such a rather cynical attitude to the situation. as a soldier, can you tell why they don't come out themselves? why would they want the wounded not to give up their people, who are really in terrible pain, the wounded nazis from azov are dying there. well yes, there explain, it's some specific reason impossible. it seems to me that the very nature of the war is already different in the fourteenth year, when we started all our counteraction by the ukrainian side for us to evacuate the wounded and hmm, removing the dead from the field, fighting the dead and transferring them there to their families for burial. it was sacred. we always stipulated some areas of silence when no one is firing and special teams special groups of non-combatants went to the territory, either the uh gray zone, or in enemy territory

they took away the wounded and or took away the dead and exported. now they, apparently, well, there was some kind of internal failure, and for us it is obvious that it needs to be conveyed earlier, because, well, we do not torture, torture the wounded, they will be subject to normal. e treatment in normal medical institutions. that is, according to them, we are in life, and then these will be wounded, probably in the process of exchange for russian prisoners of war there. on the russian side, well , it should probably be envisaged somehow, but something is going on in their heads there, well, it's hard to say, in fact, these are people whose logic is now almost impossible to calculate. there, apart from some narrow-mindedness, except for some slogans that do not push some kind of invigoration into the air. well, we, in my opinion, have nothing. there is little sense left. i’ll also ask you to explain one point, if at all possible, and so it’s not subject to logical reflection, but information comes that the president’s office forbade commanders

to deal with russian commanders from the commanders of the dpr and lpr units. any negotiations about the transfer of the body of the beaten killed ukrainians back, which may be due to them, they do not need the bodies of their people, they do not want to give the wives and parents the opportunity to say goodbye to their relatives. what's in here? logic, if any. eugene it 's hard for me to find logic here, in fact. the only thing we are seeing is that we now understand that the temperature is creeping up and, accordingly, irreversible changes are taking place with the bodies of the dead. and we observe there not in a single quantity these bodies, which are, say, on an open surface. we could in in the event that some group would turn to us, well, the neutral side, for example, with a proposal or request to organize the collection of these bodies and transfer to ukraine well, nothing

absolutely prevents this. for this you need. only good. wills on our part between normal change and people. we understand that the enemy died, of course it is necessary. well, probably, at least to transfer the body to the family for subsequent burial, no encroachments, no requests from the outside to explain any reasonableness of a sound position. i am i can't really. this is some kind of dislocation in the head, well, it is impossible to explain this with other reasons of a rational nature. we also saw quite active hostilities, in the area of ​​the tooth steel over the past day. at least if we analyze open public sources, the so -called what it is connected with, because, in general, the supreme commander forbade the storming of the plant. oh, in fact, there is no direct prohibition , if the chosen doctrine regarding this plant, we are free in our actions, if we we see opportunities to inflict damage on the enemy from narrowing the

radius of our surroundings by us of this plant. we're actually doing it, but uh, we're in a better position. we are streamlining our approach. well, to the question of holding the enemy in order to use as few forces as possible and transfer as many forces as possible to other sectors of the front, where they are more, well, more necessary than ours. and here, for example, yesterday's banal situation. for two days we developed one offensive in one of the sections. in the end. we completed our the enemy's daily plan was squeezed out of this area and took an advantageous position. well, around five or six in the morning, the enemy tried to counterattack in the open. do not fail to take into account the fact that we, let's say, have all the means of observation at night. we found it in advance opened fire to suppress the enemy rolled back and before lunch. today signs of activity did not show as a result develops. so, if the chains of local, mm clashes of military contacts, well, they add up, well, such a stable

a feeling that continues, as if the activity of the dynamics. well, in fact, this is what we continue to develop success on the territory uh-huh and what area do they control like this, if in an understandable language there are relatively speaking, there are 10 football fields, or less more more along the long stretch, and for tired it was about 9 km. now they have about half under control. here take cut the territory so visually twice. this is of course, the densest area by the biggest. with the largest e-e production shops there the hardest thing, so to speak, e now is to do military work, but nonetheless. here from the sea, blast furnaces and to the north to the northeast, about half found remained under their control. there is the largest number of various underground communications, a bomb shelter of some underground structures that can be used

as a bomb shelter in order to wait out our arrow art or air raids there. that is, this is the most difficult section, but it is about half left. thank you very much for exhaustive answers alexander khodokovsky brigade commander. the east had direct ties with us from the donbass well, of course, nuclear weapons are weapons of deterrence, i completely agree with my colleagues when they sound, but no, why, but glory, the last time the americans decided to contain, so to speak, japan 77 years ago and used the only time. history of nuclear weapons. here japan had 70 for 77 years. so to speak, discourage any militarism. and now there begins again, so to speak, conversations. and very active that it would be necessary to restore the offensive in two dashes of a year, well, the army into a full-sized one and so on. i wonder where they were going to

step on a smoke, where a good question is further and , so to speak, to sakhalin yes and somewhere else and to the mainland. well, probably so. here, that's why it is. i'll tell the holes i agree here, so to speak, it's definitely not necessary to pump, but the fact that this is in everyone's head. well, this is probably right, then you understand, well, well, uh, the united states and there are a number of their uh allies who cannot refuse militarize ukraine russia geymetalize militarizes ukraine e. here is one of the tasks of the special military operation of the united states and a number of all these allies support the nazi regime in ukraine. russia says that genocification is necessary for the neighboring ukrainian state, and it’s true, if

nothing really threatened our security, i strongly doubt that it would begin , this is a specifically military operation. after all, the same logic. it could take place in the fourteenth year, when, so to speak, there were hot events and later, but nevertheless it happened right now, so there is a direct threat and there is a confirmation of this by a series of incidents, for which we now uh will not say how long this can last. this is a good question. this is a good question to the extent that we are ready to say so, and to rethink this situation exactly as it is, and secondly, to undertake some. and i would say unexpected moves that could stop this story. you see, just stop the knot of achieving the goals that you set. what is this footprints good question, you know? not by salary. i would say a question. you see, what's more, i

assume that they are similar. and the options, so to speak, have already been developed. they say, at least dream up, that is, we sat down with a baid. we talked and it’s all over or what i’ll say, no matter who they sit down with or not, but indirect signs, such things, they already have a place to be, for example, and the visit to the donbass of the donbass republics of quite high-ranking representatives of the kremlin it literally was the day before yesterday. you mean i mean i mean, kiriyenko, who came to mariupol, yes, where he talked, so to speak, about how this city will be restored and even stopped by azov, despite the fact that there, well, on the part that has been cleared. yes, you know, that is, it seems to be such cuteness. well, it would seem, not trifles. this is a rather eloquent signal, because in the presidential administration kiriyenko is responsible for domestic policy. that is, if kiriyenko comes to donbass, it means that this is

russia's internal policy. so, it will be here soon for two, if there will be peace, so soon finish here. how will it end? i don't know, but i really hope that this will happen, and i really hope that no matter how much you would like, some washington figures to extend this. how long can this story? yes , endlessly, supplying weapons, weapons, weapons, uh, there to the last ukrainian, as they say, or at least until the midterm elections in the fall. i guess the story will end sooner than autumn than autumn. and before the summer is over. well, in a sense, well, it's true, that's actually, of course they really want to tighten up. they really want to listen, but listen, this is just a classic, when the sawing is over, like in chess, they say no, it seems no one on earth knows at all who spoke correctly. i'm talking about it. you understand here. the most important thing is that people considered the bastards to be scum. they are satanists, there are

no questions, because this is a completely devilish plan on the one hand. they dragged us into this story. yes, at least they resisted with all their might. well, they pulled it in, but on the other hand, they clearly understand that we will behave. that's the way we are we behave because it’s ours, you understand, it ’s not alien to us, we can’t act here in an american way, we can’t understand, the americans, what would they do, well, in this situation they would have recognized the donbass republics . there, a certain number of rockets would have been vacuumed with these rockets throughout ukraine for two weeks, and then they said. here, let's talk now and that's it, and no one would say meow, but we can't do that, because it's our own. that's all. alexander bilibov with us communications our military commander from nameless go live with us how is the situation