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probability of fires is extremely high. iguanas, chameleons, raccoons, hedgehogs , wild animals today are bought as fun and try to domesticate, often this leads to sad consequences for both sides. where did the fashion for exotics come from and whether people and animals can coexist peacefully in the same living space, we will try to figure it out with you today evgenia naumova hello, and our guest is veterinarian alexei krutov and the founder of the raccoon park in the farm, merzhanovo, neklinovsky district natalya yatsenko hello natalya for start. tell us about your raccoon park, which you also call a center for helping animals in difficult life situations, how it appeared. and we are a lot years we watched the house of a raccoon, which is in the suburbs, and when our friends overflowed there, the places stopped a little, we went and from there they took three people just to help them. uh, because

the shelter we always had was cats, dogs, and raccoons, we tried, uh, and help and try to interact with them. here is but then almost 5 years ago. we did not even imagine, but the colossal problems that exist are just such with wild animals. a raccoon is a wild animal. they are not domesticated. it turned out that they are taken and then they either put them to sleep or throw them away, because they cope on this wave as well. uh, the idea came up . hmm, to set up a help center. eh, these animals that people got and then get into a difficult life situation are the animal itself and with them and its owners. tell us how many animals you have in the center today, and you did not come alone with you, your guest. eh, how do animals get to your center? when we decided to do this, we did it, well, as usual on the social network, and away we go, they began to call every week. uh, take away the raccoon, raccoon raccoon, from whom how many yes and calls came from all over russia, now we have

the geography of the whole country. eh, they live in aviaries. now they are families and now you can tell this one from moscow, this estonian one. e from novorossiysk this one. well, in general, a variety of habitats, where they stayed with people and then came to us in two raccoons. just volunteers live here and from taganrog. ah, they were found in the basement of a five-story building along with cats. e, they fed them, they thought that the dogs and when they shot, they put them to sleep, but to pick up help there were raccoons, so either they ran away, then whether they were thrown away. now we will never know, but now they live with us here, so people get into it in very different ways, they decided that it was raccoons. we deal with raccoons, then all the problematic exotics. you can also bring it to us. and that's how it is with us. we bought a child for an apartment, this is flour for both the meerkat and the family. and now he has been living with us for the third year. uh, uh, but it's very problematic in terms of content. he needs warmth tigers wolves crocodile and

snakes, until recently, almost any animal could be purchased and made in russia its neighbor only in 2020 came into force the law on the responsible treatment of animals, an official ban was established to keep at home animals that may pose a danger to their owners or habitual habitat, habitats that differ significantly from the possible conditions for keeping them in captivity in the list of 33 species . well, for example, the same raccoons were not included in this list, in your opinion, how relevant is the law today and are there many gaps in it? that's very sad that they entered the raccoons, because uh them still, uh, poachers catch and sell through avito through the spinning top. people think that they take this toy like a cat and a dog. so i really hope that there will be some kind of amendment and the notes will be included in this list. so i would increase it, generally to infinity. let cats and dogs live at home, and domestic thousands of years ago, yes, and interact

with people. well, some birds, everything else, first of all, is uncomfortable for the animals themselves, it’s hard problematic. they need to run, they need nature, they need their relationships. they are very complex. they like we're just from nature. here, and from sadly with the people themselves they played, uh, a dog. you can give your grandmother there, right? or attach somewhere? this is where you put a raccoon or other wild animal. it's dangerous. they don't take such animals in the zoo, it's practically very difficult to rebuild. hmm alexey, what do you think? are you talking about the current law? i fully agree with the opinion of the people who created the law, i would really add raccoons there, because they did not enter, i am more categorical in this regard. in my opinion, the content in the apartments and in large cities animals must have a license, like a weapon a person must ask exams to

pass the minimum that he must understand what he is taking. what responsibility does he take to bear this responsibility all his life, living with the animal together. this is not one year or two. it can be 10, and in some cases even 20 years, when you have to bear this responsibility under the law. a wild animal that was acquired before the beginning of 2020 will live out its life with the owner. why if there are problematic situations of the animal, which for some time has been in contact with a person cannot be returned to their natural environment, their habitats have their own laws of life in nature. in particular, raccoons have a territorial sign, they live large. families on the territory in the forest about 15 kilometers, and if a strange animal raccoon enters there, even from the forest, uh, there will be a fight with him, the war will drive him away, and the domestic raccoon that lived with a person does not know how to defend himself, how to behave and they simply can kill and so her notes, uh, that profited people back into nature is not integrated, but not

only raccoons and bears are very complex. well, all wild animals. they usually die. this is about what animal rights activists say, we must let everyone go into nature. uh, the animal will die, but there is another danger. they are not afraid of humans. they will not be able to get along with their own with nature with their own kind , they will go to a man on a farm. uh, going to the village is a danger on the one hand, and on the other hand, a person will decide that they are rabid, because a wild animal in its right mind can not fits. eh, that will destroy him too, therefore, er, one way to die. we have a law. in accordance with which the rosselkhoznadzor recommends generally passing by wild animals and not participating in life in any way, regardless of what happens to animals. this is a legislative level with a wild animal, maybe from a human point of view. it's not entirely humane. it’s a pity i want to pick it up, but from the point of view of a sensible view

of the existence of ecosystems, it’s impossible to do otherwise , because i see integration, uh, on a working example on my own these animals regularly, entering the clinic. uh, in the city most often, either birds. these are the most frequent patients, or small animals can be and notes can be hedgehogs, and the proteins of which a person transfers to the clinic. i first question mia you understand that this animal is now yours forever. you have no other option. how to leave him to live with you or find him a home, because let him go to his habitat, moreover , if you raised him from a puppy or chick, he does not adapt, there never is, and people probably do not count on this, they do not teach this at school . to show how wild animals are not

adapted to living in an apartment with our film crew natalia and her husband. igor conducted a small but very revealing experiment. and i suggest to look, when we go into the house let go. well, let's go for a walk, our raccoons live in open-air cages year-round, but today we will conduct an experiment. we don't practice this, but nevertheless we'll take two of our calmest , most tame raccoons into the house and see what you do, uh, these little robbers when they hit in a closed space in an apartment. everything

for a raccoon there are no barriers, where the raccoon's head passed , the whole raccoon passes, despite the fact that they have such a round ass. rit in this life in just 15 minutes. but i say this again, these are our most calm children, who are very calm on the ice, quietly without any problems, but nevertheless, a raccoon is a raccoon, as we see wild animals can cause a lot of trouble in an apartment. even in a matter of minutes , move here, and it is an extremely active

animal, then they are nocturnal and during the day they sleep, and at night they cause a lot of trouble, because they begin to be active. secondly, they have a rut and e twice a year, at this moment they are dangerous because of hormones and they bite very hard, and the destroyers are like dogs you can’t say fu in place, they understand everything, but they don’t do anything and all the other exotic ones here are uh, meerkat snake, whatever bear uh, uh puma lion tiger, here on one side. it's dangerous on the other hand. this is not acceptable due to smells and due to the fact that they execute no commands. well here's a meerkat now uh sleeps curled up in your arms, but in fact it is still a dangerous beast. yes, they bite very hard and, uh, even when they are taken into a family, they choose one for themselves. eh, who will they protect, because they have such principles in the family in their meerkats and

bite about everyone else and it turns out that they seem to have taken, uh, a toy and love and cherish and cherish, and there are more in the family, except one man. no one can communicate with him, everyone else, he bites often people get injured. so wild animals that they try to domesticate at home. well, not often, but always and always it ends like a tragedy, first of all for the animal , secondly for the family, because it’s good when everything heals because it grows. it remains a psychological trauma. what if the child is injured? and if this person has suffered and sometimes cosmetic then some kind of operation is done. here we are in the center. today, there are 43 refuseniks of these same raccoons , and 80% of them came to us after their owners got into traumatology very seriously. and i i never tire of repeating it. no need to start them, no need for tragic situations involving wild animals. they occur, probably, in every region of russia recently in rostov, a man

suffered from a snake bite that crawled into his apartment from neighbors. but what do you think, where did this fashion for exotic animals come from? why is it not enough for a person that traditionally domesticated dogs and cats are boring on the one hand, on the other hand, our great internet is where everyone puts interesting bears. and here, and torn arms, legs and torn and mutilated apartments of the house, and no one puts it down. if only there were more information like this and people would think about it. and at least they collected information, at least they read about them. no, we have to, uh, well, it's all over the world, but we especially do everything on emotions to our center they come on excursions, i give lectures where i explain why you shouldn't have wild animals hmm, and after one people come with an idea, i want to have a raccoon. and i devote a whole hour of lectures to tell all the problems about them. with what

will they collide? how it will end and 99% we manage to dissuade. that's up to the point that we generally introduced adopting from us, you come to him, but do not take any animals home to you. here, most often they bring, maybe even with a request to euthanize, because, well, there something created its life, i told everyone i had bears. and uh lions game. uh, this, if you start from large and go down to almost everything, it was a lot. to bring to euthanasia, uh such animals there was no talk of euthanasia, they don’t suit me with him, probably because of my qualities. i don't euthanize animals. yes, i do not euthanize animals without, uh, medical indications, that is, the animal must suffer and the suffering must be interrupted only in this case. but with the issue of rebuilding, and calls to the clinic and

personal calls, they regularly attach everyone and, again, the bears rebuild and exotics. and badger i picked up a badger i lived with and the badger was generally within the city. i don't know where he came from, maybe it was a fugitive from uh, hunting something of a personal economy. uh, woman she called me to pick up a raccoon. i arrived there was a rain of cold cheese. winter. i put it in a carrier. i brought a badger from whom i caught. it's not even a raccoon, it's generally the wildest animal with such. the armament against which the raccoon was not standing next to, uh, were raccoon dogs, foxes passed through me, a lot of things passed through. fortunately, the e people are primarily our population, the inhabitants of the city, before thinking about the estanay, they are still

interested in where they can be attached. and it pleases, well, the opportunity to still attach. this wild animal is not much. but natalia tell the animals that are in your center. what will be their future fate? we built the project in such a way that the animals that come to us remain with us forever. we do not give away animals, we do not sell or breed. all the men who come to us go through alexei's clinic and are castrated. that is why, more or less, we managed to balance the situation with large enclosures, where they now live with their families and are tied to each other, and as far as possible, we brought them closer to the environment, as they live in nature. uh, they are very social and live in large families in nature. we are now working in two directions, picking up heavy ones, because they will not be taken. no people, no zoo. this is not from alexei levich and we bring to life, but more or less hand- adapted. uh, we work as a call center, we know

good places around the country where there are decent or former petting zoos. well, these are the places, or one of the people also contains it, and if there is a closer this city, we redirect there and it turns out. attach m-m from problematic owners to good owners, as it applies to the ads that are now appearing on internet sites. i sell a raccoon. sell ​​meerkat snake to anyone. this is my biggest pain, because these are the same black zoos. sellers here and and the meaning of making a profit they do not think about the fate of the animal. here and people are also being conducted and without understanding they buy. as a rule, we don’t have any nurseries where they are bred and tame. aleksey e, please advise how to veterinarian many people want to have animals for their children as well. might be a lonely person.

what rules should be observed and which animal to choose? first of all, you need to find that specialist who will help you to go through the life of this animal, which will live with you. uh, it is definitely necessary to find a doctor with whom you will be uh, next to a friend of a good recommendation to come to him to give. oh your time. uh, ask the doctor for time to explain to you. what kind of animal do you need doctors, as a rule. uh, almost everyone is faced with the same situation with which i am more and degrees, but every doctor goes through this and it is unlikely that the city doctor will say, get yourself a raccoon two more surikov most likely, he will say that if you want to get an animal in the apartment , while you will rarely appear at home. it is possible to get there either a cat of a more phlegmatic breed that can

spend more time at home alone without an owner or if you can take the animal with you, take a companion cat of the breed that will be with you ride all the time or doggy. take either large or small, depending on your conditions, that is, the doctor will conduct. uh, a person through this step of choosing an animal. maybe someone out there has more exotic animals. uh, too, a kind of exotic because the doctors are specialists in them. no, these are rodents. lagomorphic chinchillas, rats, hamsters , by the way, they can live in an apartment for the most part. yes, and they do not fall under the law, and they have enough of these conditions that a person can provide in an apartment in showcases of wills.