the referendum will continue to terrorize the inhabitants of donbass, but russia will no longer have any. uh circumstances look back to hope that with this kiev regime it will be possible to negotiate. something else is missing. it will protect these territories, full-fledged absolutely legitimately, this is important. unfortunately, until ukraine realizes that every time it has worse and worse relations with russia and the donbass. she will lose these territories further, because i'm here , the border will be legally fixed, uh, lunar, dnr kherson, zaporozhye region, most likely, will become part of russia, but it will not end there until they change their minds in kiev , this stage of sobering up will come for them, because i am sure that there will be an escalation of violence from the ukrainian side again, but russia will already respond by -to the other, not without any sparing regimen. it will be very tough. the answer in the event of an attack on

the territory of russia must be perfectly understood, this is a step that changes the legal and political sense a lot for both the donbass and ukraine please tell me the reaction of the fugitive belarusians is on speech. eh, lukashenko, he turned to them. well , naturally. there are they, well, basically everyone works for poland and for polish money they yell that oh-oh-oh, so lukashenka proclaimed poland the main enemy. that is, they naturally work out their agenda, but we don't give a damn about that. we in belarus decide for ourselves who is our friend. and who is the enemy, especially not just invented out of my head. we see the actions of the polish regime in relation to belarus in ukraine. how they behave, here you can see who the real occupiers are the colonizers. yes, our special operation is not only matter our our existence our survival. it is also a question of world order. and they openly talk about it, but in the same united states, because they believe that if the united states loses in ukraine, they will lose everywhere. and following the example

of russia, china will also act in relation to taiwan and our victory. it will deal a blow to the so -called world liberal order. therefore, we need to move in this direction, we need to liberate, and our fraternal people from the criminal kiev regime. and, of course, to achieve those goals, which our commander-in-chief set is the demilitarization and genocification of ukraine, and in the course of this process, no matter what they promise us, they can promise us any nameplate letter, any neutral status and recognition of crimea and all of them, which means donbass as well. then i have before my eyes the example of sweden and finland, which were neutral, and for decades, and now in line with nato and the west can also act with ukraine , they will give us a flimsy letter, then they will pump ukraine into weapons, and then we will have under sideways, huh? the movement to hold a referendum in the lpr

and dpr partly, well, i think it solves the issue of the security of these territories, but it does not solve the issue of russia's security at all, because russia's key goal was not to hold a referendum on the territory of the lpr and dpr and those goals and objectives that were are clearly marked in their, so of course, you or it will be an unfinished conflict. and one must think that everything, as you sometimes remember, was often said before. well, why are you fighting there all over the territory of ukraine well, fight yourself there quietly in the donbass right there right there here you are at war, and how would all of this be arranged. yes, it doesn’t suit, it’s every now and then the fact of the matter is that it won’t suit the fact of the matter until there is, uh, a threat from the territory of ukraine, i don’t even mark the borders of the territory of ukraine uh, for russia this is not a conflict will end. will there participate on it will not. it participates there, there are certain goals and objectives, if i just remind you, it was an ultimatum regarding expansion. at least some of this was done, but there

were clear proposals regarding ukraine, which were discussed, as you said through the mediation of erdogan and what it led to ukraine had a chance to solve it all. but she did not take advantage of this opportunity. look, yes, following pavlovich, it is very important that you are now discussing you or for ours. well, our discussions are long. yes, this is also very important. i also spoke about the same yes, so that the entire first stage of the operation and lukashenka, by the way, spoke about this. well, or there lukashenka as the president forward. and i'm already behind. yes? here we go, let's go this way. yeah, uh, then lukashenka, i will use his words, said that zelensky needs to be signed very quickly. now i agree. further, it will only get worse limbs, well, the beginning of our operation, but he was, let's say, to a significant extent, namely psychologically. well , because of this, by the way, we had a lot of problems , because we expected, in fact, we calculated that well. all this can be solved

there in the world. well, by the way, i notice six months have passed. yes, after that, referendums and almost all of these territories will now be held. well, kharkov yes there let's see, this grandmother is for two more. i said, this is it, well, almost all those territories that could then be considered as an object, well, now they will simply be fixed forever in russia from russia. yes, we will protect them. as ours as our own people in relation to ukraine, the calculation was correct and i just, well, that's right. yes, it just started from its own side and the first missiles flew at military facilities, the task was somehow to force this ukrainian government to negotiate. they got scared and went to negotiate another thing that during these negotiations, the british on the head, stop in the refrigerator, that the alarm clocks of no negotiations will all fight, and that's it. if

only ukraine were the question, of course, these negotiations would be fruitful without any doubt. but yes , there are strategic conclusions from this. yes, that is, not complete sovereignty of ukraine was discovered on april 15. as you like to say, back and forth, yes, it was completely revealed, then everything will be the same once or twice it will be much worse, but all this will be. she needs a huge amount of sacrifice zelensky biden is to blame for this. and johnson is exactly in that order now. sorry , i'll just read the news dear residents of the kherson region. i, as the head of the administration of the kherson region, signed a decree on a referendum on the circulation of the kherson region to the russian federation as a full-fledged subject of a single state, the head of the military-civilian administration of the kherson region reported the balance. by the way, i'm back. yes it works. but why? where

is my pain and where did you say? uh, president lukashenko i treat him with respect, no mine. that's what uh, i understand, if this happens, but there is already a decision and uh, the referendum will continue, the events that you say will go on, dear host, the war will not stop, but look half a step further or even one step i am carefully watching statements of our western friends from the euro. corn hungarians, romanians no matter funny no funny no matter, more definitely. i feel very well that as soon as we start here, and we will lose, and the military conflict will continue. yes west will come up with anything to protect, in quotation marks, part of the territory of ukraine. i don’t know which one and we will lose that part of ukraine, you understand this process now. here comes the break of the state as a citizen, to which i am, and therefore i may be arguing with you in ukraine, i am arguing, i am shouting, but i

understand, i see these moments, well, half a step, you even try. i do not want it. now i understand that there is nothing i can do. when i listened to putin, but everyone heard this, both presidents zelensky and the highest military political the leadership of ukraine, who is the president of the russian federation, in an interview, said, we ’ll see how the counter-offensive of ukraine ends. well, he said, well, he said, everyone heard it, everyone heard it, but i see that now the entire ukrainian press is talking. don't be bastards this is shit, listen, what can be? bastards are not bastards if misha podolak says that people will be slaughtered on a drinking binge, in zaporozhye and kherson we will kill people, because these are our laws. uh, goals coloborants live there, do you understand? well, that's yesterday. he says, and i understand that you know, i don’t have a mess in my head, but it seems to me that either our current leadership of ukraine is not there well, or

the ukrainian plot at least for these 7 months. forgive you the current military-political, or it’s not, well, you understand, because there are smart people there, or it is in some kind of captivity, or i don’t know, under some kind of pressure, because the processes that they have are obvious. they are objective. they don't want to see, they don't want to respond to them. and i say it again. all that we get in the east immediately reflected in the west. and what the hell is the difference, the poles will come to be friends with me. you see or hungary will come to be friends with me or the romanians they will say that we are also friends to you, well, we will lose part of the territory. and the saddest thing is millions or they are millions of citizens of ukraine they do not live, they do not live by their own mind. you see that they live american you are british speaking. he says world minds and intelligence services of other states. that is, he does not rely on his own mind, not on his command.

no, well, in the same place there is a chief, the chiefs decided they were washing their faces and intelligence of spices was not at the beginning of the broadcast. uh, dmitry uh quoted, but the words of blinken, who went. eh, towards collect the bandura. biden, spoke out today bingo began to work america is busy with its own affairs. they have china, they have problems and so on. but i'm sorry for the expression, what's going on now. well, you can watch it around the world, because it’s impossible. well, i answer, i answer. you, again, understand the problem of our talk shows, when you speak in them a lot is perceived as a metaphor, some exaggeration for a red word, you see, when i said that zelensky has a direct contract with washington indirect. freshen up straight, he didn’t go there for nothing , well, right in the room, an amazing case in the world fate of a person who is not included in the world will not be launched at all

, you understand, you didn’t understand what happened then, when zelensky stopped by, he was six to me and was sitting there for some - then the number of hours, so, he is not on the contract with your government. he doesn't have free will. he does not have a ukrainian mind and a ukrainian mind cannot, in principle, exist and proceed. vasily must understand from this. one of the second and you are thinking correctly. i talk about this all the time, yes, they will squeeze ukraine like a lemon to the last drop. this million will be buried , you know, a million of you or this, get ready to bury a million. and after that, poland and romania and all the rest will enter this half and will conclude a border treaty with russia. this is one of the most likely scenarios. well in my mind

may be most preferred in this situation. here's what's likely to happen again. i'm not vanga. i'm talking about one more about one statement, which was then perceived as a metaphor. this is when they recognized kosovo and everyone said that when they said that pandora's box was opening and that the world would be completely different after that and not one state in the world would no longer be confident in its territorial integrity, they would not say, they say no , this is a special case once. and then we will live like this there is no procedure, a then speak and it was not a metaphor about pandora 's box they opened it. i don’t know, they didn’t fully understand what they were thinking, that they understood to the end. they understood what was to come next, what would be decided. only now one strange can not be another. here, supposedly international, it means that some rules are played, which they themselves came up with, they do not play here, and so on. there you can boil

the conference. it can't be there. is there no referendum at all? it means to declare the independence of some part of another country. and if she does not agree, she can be bombed, without him without decisions without the security council, then there is still no international law, you understand, therefore, when all this happened. and when they shouted from here don’t do it, don’t do it, because then we all break the system that was created after the second world war, those red lines that were not allowed to go there. no, they said, so now everything. reap. now all these cries of ukraine about the territorial integrity there, there and so on. all the people wanted. it all means it will be. here is one of the reasons why pandora launched released it just the weakness of russia they felt that russia was falling apart in 1999. this means that the president was not meant to make strong-willed decisions. and they thought,

after that, they will do this everywhere. they didn't know we were going on. it's just that you started like that and literally got into one thought, like about that. i think too. i want to show that this very old man clinton is a saxophonist exactly, because you are discussing just going to bed one on one look, can i ask you about russia about the war in ukraine many believe that it is your fault that the reason for russia's invasion of ukraine is that the united states, by expanding nato, should have provoked it into it and that the largest expansion of nato occurred during your administration, what do you say to that? oops, looks like you're wrong. and that's why when i did what i did, i suggested to russia not only an ad hoc partnership in nato in the

future, based on the fact that in the future our biggest security problems will be non-state actors. authoritarian states that sell chemical biological or nuclear weapons to terrorist groups. and a lot of that has happened, and we need to do it together. i looked at yeltsin and asked. do you really believe that i will use in poland to bomb russia to which he said no, but many fragile old women in the european part of russia believe that because their historical memory includes memories of hitler, and their grandparents, and napoleon well, i admit it . well, here is our historical memory includes the idea of that your best days were grafted to peter the

great and catherine the great, in other words, when you could control your neighbors, but people no longer want to be controlled, but tend to choose their own path. and i think you did the right thing at the time, if we hadn't done that, the crisis could have started much sooner, but you can't tell people. what according to the polls, they must live to the end with the uncertainty that russia will not try to attack them again. here, first of all, of course, beautiful again. well there it's great for sewn up, because yeltsin answered. if he answered that way, you are retelling it. yes, but he responded to historical precedent. so the hitlers have already come to us, and everyone in russia knows what e. billa directly declared the program and the threat, and everything in your time has passed; the last ones were under catherine ii. so

give up. better give up. by the way, i think that something like this actually happened. so maybe even yeltsin understood this then, yes, and this became the understanding from which everything was given. he doesn’t even understand what he said to clinton yes, and clinton’s words that the neighbors don’t want to live, under your already, as if under control, he means that the neighbors, although you understand that they live under american control, and i think that but 90, when they recognized this kosovo. they were already planning the expansion of russia, the georgian had a plan until 2010, a maximum of the twentieth year, russia was supposed to be divided into several states, and they thought planning to recognize does not mean that with chechnya to give impetus means the collapse of russia therefore, here they had strategic plans. after this, another 15 states will be destroyed, so they are, as it were,

absolutely here. well, they are cunning in front of this journalists, allegedly. he wanted to frighten yeltsin there, which means that this ideologist is almost the same as in kuyama, and this is a zakariya. here they have icons of the fugu pit replica ideology, and then an even more striking example. just imagine with regard to washington's plans in 1992. in the depths of the pentagon, us deputy secretary of defense paul vulfavets prepared the so-called defense planning guide, which open. he wrote in the text that after the collapse of the soviet union, the main task of the united states is to prevent the emergence of a state or a coalition of states in the post-soviet space that can challenge american leadership in the world. yes, i'll tell you, you know, not on may 22, churchill approved a plan that was unthinkable 13 days after our common joint victory.

on may 22, 1945, a plan was approved over german fascism, an unthinkable plan to attack soviet to the soviet union from britain and its allies. with the use of the atomic bomb. actually. that's when we listen to these clinton statements about the past. they travel to reveal the real ins and outs of western politics. yes, it must have been a short period. here is a rapprochement, when they thought that russia and the west could build a security architecture together. but even yeltsin began to understand that he was being deceived when ukraine, after 1991 , russia sent ukraine into free floating. sovereignty independence, do what you want did not particularly fit into internal affairs required. only one of us. at first, she sent herself into a free right, nevertheless, ukraine did what it wanted to use its sovereignty; the requirements in russia were only one thing - do not create a security threat. well, respect the rights of russian-speaking

citizens who associate themselves with russian culture to use the russian language, the west has done at least something in general so that parity of interests is somehow observed in ukraine. no they felt, and russia allows us to put pressure. we will support nationalism, we will nurture politicians who are radically disposed towards russia. i mean, really, all these arrangements with the west never cost anything if you let them in. well, in fact, to your home and do whatever you want there, so now when it has become absolutely, it is clear what the west was already leading to, starting after the collapse of the soviet union, they simply thought that russia was allowed. well, take a warm one, they themselves will agree to the elite. sign in west share resources. well, they will be content and together we will crack down on authoritarian regimes, by the way, one of such authoritarian regimes. they believed belarus they say. here is red-brown, which means the dictator is sitting there who dreams of reviving the soviet union. and we will gather together and destroy it with western russians. well

, there was such an idea, some voiced it even in moscow well, who turned out to be right in the end, so the west always pursues only one goal - strategic dominance, withdrawal of resources and the destruction of russia as a historical subject, she does not need it, in general, in any form. you know, you just said, you correctly said the remark you made. well, it’s simple, if at this moment you look at belovezhskaya pushcha, and i need to look at it, for example, i still don’t have a completely rigid opinion there in some places, but i can say one thing, you understand, yes, this alignment, including russia carried out, and above all russia, but russia remained within itself. a lot of natsen she well went out in order to stay many national multi-religious country -empire, where the ethnic status of a person does not depend on anything at all. it was this that russia was going to keep within itself, but

the nationalisms separated. by the way, you know what's the matter and the conflict, in general, was inevitable imperial approach. well, in the sense of the empire that i invested in this and nationalisms, which when power comes to power and a very simple transition , nationalism came to power became nazism. well, in georgia, this is very very visible, very visible, gonsakhurdi begins and then, so to speak, everything that there saakashvili got up. it's just ebbs and flows there . this is how it is noticeable, georgia in this sense, well, a device that needs to be looked at and studied, therefore, this clash is a lot of religiosity, a lot of ethnicity, imperialism and nationalism. it was inevitable. so that clinton doesn’t say there. here and here it’s very important to understand, by the way, here, well, bow to alexander grigorievich lukashenko, because at the root of the fact that we are together and further he

talks about it, uh, there is another one very much there in belarus too. you know, yes, the lines are different there were, yes, and there was a serious internal struggle, and so on. well, the fact that lukashenka rejected ethical belarusian nationalism rejected him, this saved belarus this very thing. the main thing is that there is no ethnic belarusian nationalism in the way of belarus in belarus. if i, well, that is, he is there, but his no one is a significant force he is not. yes, absolutely nailed by the state. well, that's because he put the state of higher ethnic e, national self-determination and did the right thing, and therefore belarus is alive and therefore it has prospects and a state. therefore, there because if there was nationalism. the state would not exist, as in ukraine one of the instruments of destruction is spoken, of course, they always use it, they find all these contradictions, and one phrase is invested in financial ones. please,

let's not have any illusions. here is the policy of the united west towards russia will never ever change. whoever comes to power. there are democrats and republicans, because you know. very many people think that these are some kind of, well, interpersonal relations of state leaders, which create certain problems. this is not an interpersonal relationship. it is absolutely. it is clear the strategy is absolutely clear goals and objectives. and this will always continue. the plans of the west in relation to russia will never change. russia's plans in relation to confrontation with the west may never change, and i do not have meat. but everything else is an illusion. in fact, they will never change their goals and objectives, we will interrupt for advertising, then we will continue. i do not want to see you. you wanted me to do something. i have not waited for three years from you no posts, you are the worst thing that happened in my life on

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and you play dashing. this is a program who is against on channel russia 1 we continue our discussion here is the information coming in we will keep you informed about the start and preparation referendum. here, in particular, i want to show a fragment of the speech of the head of the donetsk republic denis pushilin before the legislative assembly of the donetsk republic. the people are returning home.

considering the draft law as timely and the only right decision that meets the hopes and aspirations of our people for unity. with great russia , i ask the deputies to support its adoption. referendum dates from september 23 to september 27 this is an appeal. now there is already information that the people's assembly voted in favor of it. uh and approved this law in the lugansk people's republic took place a little earlier, but the meeting

was not signed by the people, everything has already happened the whole procedure. this means that a special law was adopted on holding a referendum, a decision was adopted by the people's council of the lpr, which determines exactly the dates for holding, that is, september 23 to 27. that is, after 3 days, the process begins. uh, the process of holding a referendum and providing, and all the possibilities are described there. how is it carried out and the head of the republic has already signed this bill and further format is built. e, ensuring the implementation of the mechanism itself is the implementation of the mechanism. and securing the vote. that is, i, that is, i will probably not reveal a big secret, because starting literally from the beginning of july, at least when the luhansk people's republic was liberated, we began preparing for a referendum. and well, here, that is, we will explain ourselves in luhansk and in lugansk, one of the clearly one of them, that is, p, the polling stations were already divided, the number of election commissions was announced, a certain number were held education. that is, by and large, all organizational measures have already been taken.