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her to war generate an image of any person in any situation. so it is indistinguishable from the present to read thoughts or to communicate with the other world. if you still think that this can only be in science fiction films about the future, then you know, this is already a reality. today we invited valeria mukhina, a well-known psychologist and honored scientist of russia, to our studio, who conducted experiments on the manipulation of human consciousness half a century ago. see what color are the pyramids. both foams, of course. thank you very much, it's good or bad that the capabilities
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of the neural network are becoming more and more part of our lives, as they have already become part of the life and fate of prokhor dubravin good morning. today i invited the outstanding professor valery sergeevna mukhina to our conversation. good morning, doctor of psychological sciences in due time. you made a film that became a sensation, me and others. it was filmed, like this one in the center of the ear was such an amazing documentary, which generally revealed a lot about a person about how he arranged, how is it suggestible, how can it be led? what is it like when a crowd of an ax leads this is all a topic that is very relevant to what we are putting swami to talk about your character today your role in the film the last letter of a beloved is a series that was supposed to be released on ukrainian television. eh, some time ago. replaced as it was, perhaps, how was it that you were replaced? this is how my body is my face.
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let's see this announcement. and when did you shoot, when were the shootings at the end of the twenty-first year, then the editing began, then a special military operation began and they, in order to release the film after all, is a ukrainian actor. yes, yes, this is a ukrainian actor. i personally know him. and so, apparently he gave his consent to the use of his face on another torso and a skid. that is, no one will warn you in the morning of a certain date , i don’t remember already, friends sent a screen, mm from the news feed. but with this news, which has already hit the
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media, and there it has already begun to be replicated , even i am not a specialist there, i can is to make you see on the screen, because please, what i have here now on the tablet. well, it’s very simple, here i have your photo, it’s from the closed school, in my opinion, yes, it was filmed there. bride, that's why i always envied you and wanted to be in your place. so, i uploaded it. and now let's, i'll add myself there. so let's see what happens. i'm still not good enough, dressed for taxes. i wanted mine to be instead of your face, but to make it turn out exactly the opposite. instead of mine, yours. well now it's just time for us to switch places. i think, well done bravo well, by the way, joking aside, i understand that, but in fact. we are
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one step away from the fact that the presenter will no longer be needed, and in this place tomorrow there will be no need for an actor in the neural network film. she will do everything herself. eh, look at the fees, after all , these dead stories, of course, must be a person, because we are his emotions of his state. we are set up for this, we are social. what we live in, the last ones begin there. the same ukraine has been living in what since the fourteenth year? this is actually the full flowering of all technology that you started learning back in 1971. yes, and earlier in the seventy-first year there was a film, me and others. what are we talking about, because both the maidan and your film are about manipulations about how to control the crowd how to control, well, in your case, these were groups of people, but in fact it could be talking about entire countries. well, of course, in
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this film, which is not accidentally included in the top 100 ukrainian films ever made, the great great prophecy is spoken, in which we now live in kinship about the power of the majority. after all, look everywhere here and today they are trying to take us by the majority. russia is isolated. he decided by a majority of votes to start the summer here, the majority, democracy - this is also a game of the majority. what is the majority? you have shown in this film and how does it manage? twist into a ram's horn minority put one piece 71 years old, yes 50 years old. what color are the pyramids? andryushenka, look, what color are the two white pyramids olenka what color are both white pyramids lenochka what color are the pyramids? please move the black one towards you, there were no substitutions
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never white. why do not you know? and you said they were both white, why did you say that, there? that's what they said, and you repeated after them. and why did you repeat after them? when do you know it's white? what did you want? filmed with kids. but i mean these pyramids were replaced with salty porridge later. in general, he gets sweet porridge, sweet, sweet porridge, sweet porridge, porridge, sweet, porridge, i take it from there. there is such a corner or there it is salted, you give porridge to the child in his mouth. it's not just both whites for you. it's the same feeling. which nasty, when a child sits there salty porridge
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, shakes him, she turns her back, then i candy, then they went to rinse my mouth and they got all that and they said, as a group, you understand. it was really terrible, in fact, in this film , the episode where this experiment was carried out not on children, but on adults, was much stronger for me , because ah, when the guy began to talk like that, suddenly opinions began to be bargained the majority. this, of course, is very surprising. put it very interesting. at we have this snippet. see what color are the pyramids. white of course.
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thanks a lot. my heart broke when i saw this. i was surprised that in general it is, maybe, you understand, we are like that in reality. it's hard to believe the resonance was great. but i also want to tell you that my son, who i have two gemini sons and i also made them all sorts of black and white squares before this movie. that is, i conducted experiments for myself and my boy is completely independent , and once these fake ones, when children, then three is a front group, when adults are
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seven. well, here's my boy succumbed. he says, why are they so stupid, and why did you repeat? i don't know, but they all said so. i'm the dumbest. here you are such tears, flowing. i've never been cheated so worried. well, in general, he is independent, while you understand, some kind of social force. this influence exists, and we are not realizing it. i get nothing. it happens to us. so we need to watch this experiment to show that these are the children who are ready to say about the king something naked is always loners, and the majority, and the majority gravitates to the majority. it's all in full bloom today. look, people read some post, and on some resource, and then turn on the comments and want to see, and what people comment on and find in these comments for themselves, either some kind of support or how to relate to this, they have
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sometimes a person in most cases does not have his own nightly attitude in the comments there in power. you especially the american authorities. this is understood by these manipulation technologies. through the idea of the majority, understood long ago, and our authorities when this film came out, and not how they began to use it. one day, we were invited to speak. the powerful hands of our rulers, so to speak. and they wanted to get into the audience, which had to be taught to manipulate. well, in general, i said my opinion and said that they would never send me there again, of course, that is, some people were very interested in this particular obstacle, there were no obstacles, and then in the work. after that, no one followed me. what is it that you can't win is it better not to get involved? thank you, but this
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story is about most of the manipulation. this is the same story in ukrainian history. in a sense, it turns out that an experiment was set up on the whole country. as in your film , is maidan at all? this is not a story about a white and black pyramid. do you understand this sequel? i always thought just the way i lived in kiev. i have many friends from kiev, and they love me, and the muscovites love me. and i'm a muscovite, you know, and they keep themselves in control so as not to offend me. we to we don’t relate to you and i say, this applies. i moskalko nothing can be done about it. in general, there is a secret not the former one, but the russians don’t, but today, out of all your friends there , the partners are that dmitry , i’ll put a face, they are no longer in your phone book. or you communicate with someone with dmitry
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so closely not in common. the foxes were just comrades. and of course, in ukraine, i still have good relations with a small number of people, because everyone reacts differently, but there are people who uh hmm perceive the situation adequately. they they understand what goes where and to what, and human communication continues at the level with such people. not political, but human spiritual, but you see, it’s true, there are a lot of such people left, and in my environment , among my friends, there are also others who were good friends with us on february 24 last year, and then again the story about the white black pyramid , believed the voice of the majority and manipulation, the neural network is more terrible from what gives a completely new one, it is possible to read the thoughts of the audience and manage it through this. remember the famous scandal
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trump elections in america when millions of personal data of people of social network users were leaked to the network and trump's opponents tried to prove that through this, through knowledge of all the characteristics of the features of this and a million audience, he built his election campaign. that's what manipulation is. believe sergeevna and there is technology, how not to succumb to manipulation. we do live, actually. we live in a world of manipulation. not to succumb, you need to be a holistic personality, it’s good to imagine someone and what kind of responsibility you have, how you want to always be and control yourself, because we ourselves form the inner position, and then work all my life on the fact that you are only like that, i just communicated with myself in this way and made myself like that, i was shocked and was a child and was
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very close to me clever woman. i turned to her and said lvovna what kind of proverb is this once chance two chance three patterns up to three times to combine calculate of course. you will show yourself somehow. well, it's screwed up. i get it, that's what she's saying, okay, you're right. and here is a german proverb, although i'd rather give it. it's never once. once is the same as many times. i want everyone to hear me. here's what i'm holding on to. in general, i’m iron inside never once. i lived so little, i heard about what the saying understood and did myself all the time. i speak clearly, i therefore firmly. please don't forget the gift for the children. tell me, a lot depends not only on our influences, but on
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what inner position a child, a young person or an adult who has understood, everything depends on us. main main be vigilant all the time. it's not always easy, it's not easy at all. well, i say so softly, because it's hard what kind of wolf you feed to eat such a saying indian dark or light. this is the wolf that develops and thrives, but as a result, the series the last letter of a beloved. he never came out, despite the nose. nyal it from the show to the day. well, a day or two before the premier, as far as i know, the ukrainian public was divided into two camps. some were against the fact that, in principle, the russian actor is removed, and in ukrainian series, which will be shown on the ukrainian channel, and the other one was simply against spoiling
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the work of this technology itself. they said it was better not to show the series at all then, because it should be in the form in which it was filmed. all other changes are already from the evil one, that is. i don't have any doubt. prokhor what exactly will happen that a living person will not be replaced anyway, no neural network. no computer can replace any artificial one. he can replace, but he will not replace another what a person has energy, the soul is the soul, this is what valery sergeevna said about. and how to protect yourself from manipulation to keep yourself a whole person to be a whole person, for me this means knowing your soul. god grant that we all learn this, so that we will never, under the general noise of the majority, call white feasts black. this is life
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