[000:00:00;00] but this is so, they continue this practice, and the practice of shooting civilians, they continue this abuse of civilians in the donbass in the adjacent territories, by the way, we have every reason to call the current regime neo-nazi, but they always answer me, oh well, you have all sorts of such neo-nazis , we have them, yes, it’s true, there are extremists everywhere, one way or another they come out of the woodwork and show themselves, what kind of freaks are there, what kind of idiots? but no, there aren’t any idiots and even criminals, so what now, the difference is that yes, probably everywhere it is, this is a very poisonous family, neo-nazism, but i don’t know a single country, except today’s ukraine, where they are considered national heroes, but in paris it is there are probably some neo-nazis in moscow hiding somewhere, but we

are pursuing them, we are fighting it. in the case of ukraine, on the contrary, they are exalted, raised to a pedestal, this is what amazes and what causes internal rejection. and this scene with applause for the nazi in parliament zelsky once again showed the whole world who is the hero for the ukrainian authorities? who is our enemy? not the ukrainian people, these are not people. and their follow-up. words spoken several years ago, after one of the first marches. my father was a simple ordinary soldier, but it was precisely with the courage, blood and bodies of a simple russian soldier, an ordinary soviet soldier, that the road to

victory was paved, and when we carry their photographs, then... this means that we pay tribute to that what they did for the country, but at the same time we realize that now the responsibility for russia is on our shoulders. pavel, what awaits us next week. this will be a week where everyone will definitely be glued to their screens. hello, we have arrived. valdai club members will gather for their new meeting next week. everyone sit on the bench. and don’t quack, traditionally they wait for the president here, i’m afraid, i’m afraid, i’m afraid, i’m afraid, i’m afraid, if i was afraid of everything, i would do nothing to hear assessments of what is happening, everything is forgotten, it’s always very bright, it’s worth just clicking, here everything falls apart, always very interesting, everything is already boring, always with memorable quotes, but they have gone completely crazy, no, also this week putin will hold a new meeting of the board of trustees of the

talents success foundation, the development of sirius. continues, there is no such center in the world today, in the presidential schedule, a new meeting with members of the russian security council and many other events, you will see more than the rest in our program, and we will cut it off before the rest in the telegram channel. thank you, pavel, i say goodbye to you for a week, and we will see you again with the audience, now watch the film nali askerzada 1993 is a turning point, and then i’m waiting for you in the studio on sunday evening, we have something to discuss. gun fire and the heavy weapons fire hearing is coming from behind the white house, it's indeed completely surrounded, not long ago deputies emerged from the white house waving white flag, following the 10-hour attack on the russian white house, a tank shot at

to the white house - this is an act of intimidation or an act of despair, not intimidation, this is nonsense, this is revenge, this is a determination to destroy, don’t go out like that, don’t give up, so to speak, we will crush you, we will kill you, i i think that today we need to take the kremlin, the remains were not taken, of course, not despair, this was an act of suppressing by force those who resist, we were not preparing for war. we hoped that we could come to an agreement , maintain peace in the capital, and there would never be anything more on our land, of course, there is a share of my fault, but the main culprit for what happened is the president of russia, yelets, if

the pilots can hear me, raise the combat vehicles, save . perishing, those who went against the peaceful city and unleashed a bloody massacre of criminals, there was no longer despair, there was a spectacle, of course, to put it mildly, it’s bad, i think that it was an act of intimidation, of course, and in general this is the final act, because there was no other way out, then this option was chosen not parliamentary, not popular, but tough, if so if events had not turned around, then russia would have had a civil war and it would have been worse than what we experienced then in those october days. the fact is that each side believed that the instigator was the other side, i

will say that both sides were to blame, from here, everything back to me, i said everything back, obey in the end, stand. the shooting of the white house is broadcast live on western tv channels, the whole world is watching how our tanks hit our parliament in the very center of the capital. the trigger for the start of street fighting is the calls that sound from this balcony on october 3. take the kremlin by storm. russia is experiencing the most severe political crisis in post-soviet history,

which will end in bloodshed. let's remember the events of the ninety-third year, that's what you think, at what point are you in relations with yeltsin passed the so-called point of no return, we often had some quarrels, discontent, but i did not think that this was some kind of political struggle, but when he categorically began to refuse a meeting, negotiations, they also said , that there the supreme council, in particular the chairman, broke down, the main one , this is a question, this is good, we are ready for any compromise, but you cancel decree number 1400, because in accordance with this decree we were outlawed. in ninety-one, you and yeltsin were on the same side, in ninety the third is already on opposite sides of the barricades. that's when you realized that you weren't on the right path? in ninety-two, speech in

the congress of the united states of america. god bless america. essentially, taking an oath of office before the congress of the united states of america. i have. it is a great honor to speak here in the congress of a great free country as , for the first time in the thousand-year history of russia, a popularly elected president, as a citizen of a great power who has made his choice in favor of freedom and democracy. god bless america. for me they are like that speeches are simply unacceptable, especially the head of state, this is called betrayal, well then the personnel policy that he pursued ultimately led

to the collapse of the country's economy, to an armed conflict, although at that moment no one even thought about it, the parties were almost a year and a half, hyperinflation, monetary reform , incomprehensible fraud with vouchers, the opening of a number of enterprises, delayed salaries, all this certainly rocked the situation, but most importantly, yeltsin’s intransigence and self-confidence with on the one hand, on the other - khazbullatov’s exorbitant ambitions and an overestimation of the level of his support. i think a big mistake was made by boris nikolayevich, when the most active members of the supreme council, people's deputies, well, those who supported him here at the congress, they were all called to work, some in the presidential administration, some went to the region, then borya nemtsovsk , and of course, ruslan khazbulatov already had a complete front here, what is called anti-yeltsin, and why did you decide to support yeltsin, i supported him back in 9, it should break that, well, some changed their positions, i didn’t change,

despite the fact that he promoted me , removed me, and whose side you were on, on the side of khazbulat, on the side of yeltsin, we parted ways with yeltsin. and you yourself defended yeltsin in those days or did not want to allow rutskov to come to power; in those days you fulfilled the oath, that is, you were for yeltsin? was he a criminal, a popularly elected leader of the country, what should have been done only because rudskoy said: “don’t cut down birch trees in the kremlin, they will be useful to us.” the first acute conflict between the president and parliament occurred in april 1992. at the congress of people's deputies, khazbullatov assessed the work of the cabinet of reformers headed by yegor gaidar this way: the guys were confused. when did yeltsin and khazbulatov

pass the so-called point of no return in their relations? they had a conflict for a long time, but probably the very day of the report, or the time of the report, was probably the ninety-second year, when ilson invited khazbullatov and us, his three deputies, to talk about gaidar’s reforms. and quite he told everything in detail, how it would happen, and khazbullatov gave his word that the supreme council would support everything, we will be with you, we will support, and on january 13, 1992, he left for the ryazan region, in the ryazan region at a meeting with activists, he suddenly burst out quite harsh criticism towards

. on the one hand, he supported , on the other hand, he was very harsh on critics with insults, well, in the ninety -second year, in my opinion, there was a congress of people’s deputies in april, where khazbullatov decided to put an end to reforms. at this congress there was already an open war, it flared up with renewed vigor in march of ninety-three. yeltsin announces the suspension of the constitution, which practically limited power, his power as president. the constitution was still old. such

a communist one, and the bloc of the president of russia was inserted into it as a people's body. the highest power remained with the supreme council, with the congress of people's deputies, and yeltsin, like a fool, would have a tail. he was only given subordination by the power structures so that he would indulge in them, but he wanted more power, and khazbullatov did not want this. khazbullatov wanted. the supreme council at the head of russia , the soviet government, in response, gathers an extraordinary congress of people's deputies and initiates impeachment of the president. by the way , there will be three such attempts during yeltsin’s reign, but this impeachment fails and yeltsin, instead of dispersing the council, decides to hold a referendum. the people had to decide who

should leave and who should stay. the president. i still think and kind of condemn myself for the fact that we did not dissolve the supreme council then, immediately in the wake of this referendum, when the people said that it was necessary to re-elect the supreme council early, it was necessary to do this, i will answer yes three times, once when... it comes to removing yeltsin from his job, i will answer no, and you, no, yes, yes, yes, no, yes, yes, yes, no, yes, but we decided to play at this democracy, these days, boris nikolaevich presented the prepared new constitution of the russian federation. the first thing is

to adopt a new constitution as quickly as possible. after the april referendum, the famous yes, yes, no, yes, khazbullatov called it all poltaransky-goebbels propaganda, yes, they decided to hold this referendum , yes, yes, no, yes, elson suggested, yes, yes, yes, yes, he called me and said, here are four yes, i say, four and not to be remembered. we need to do yes, yes, no, yes, no, this is the presidential re-election, when we do this, we can play music on the radio, yes, yes, no, yes. yes, yes, no, yes, in pizhivo, it’s so heavy on the brain, and you can’t get it out of there, ruslanovich knew who did this victory, one, he called me hebes, one says: and i would

if i were you, i filed a lawsuit against khazbulatov, i say, boris nikolaevich, why should i file a lawsuit if my activities... are not highly appreciated. khazbullatov was not at all afraid to get personal, but it is one thing to cross the boundaries of what is permitted with ministers , and quite another with the leader of the state; he will do this publicly for the whole country. he continued to attack the president and his team, gathered people in the parliamentary center, where they were not shy at all in expressions or anything else , let’s say, he showed. on yeltsin, more the president said something unfortunate, maybe under some, so to speak, as another one , so, well, what can you do, you have to put up with it, there’s nothing like that here, our man , if he’s our man, then let him remain a man, yeltsin i was touched by this gesture, i think so,

although it was unfair, because elson did not drink alcohol to such an extent that. if the central point of such attacks was on him, it is worth recalling how bulatov ended up next to yeltsin; in the book of notes from the president, yeltsin describes it this way. unfortunately, there was an element of chance in this; i didn’t know it at all before. when shahrayi’s candidacy for the post of my deputy was rejected three times at the congress and the conservative part did not support him, i assembled a conciliation commission. i understood that i needed to find some. this is how khazbulatov’s candidacy arose. under yeltsin, khazbullatov is quickly gaining political weight. it is he who will replace yeltsin as chairman of the supreme council; they will be together at the first presidential inauguration in russian history. on

the days of the 9th, they are also nearby. i told ruslanovich, what? actually allows himself to make public statements about these procedures, a slap in the throat, famous, in vain he allowed this, because i didn’t allow myself to do this, you were talking about the government, and the guys are in pink pants, or what? what's wrong, or what? what happened in october, it was just such a finale of the confrontation between yeltsin and khazbullatov, which lasted a year and a half, they showed on tv almost every day, meetings, some broadcasts , where were rudskoy, khazbullatov, they were including yeltsin, they rule the president as they want, and the president has never led the country, so you, as the person who was responsible for the information component, were the minister of the press, why didn’t you stop all these broadcasts? yeletsa

tells me, i ask you not to let khazbullatov, rutskov and other vastankin in, so that they cannot speak, i say. boris nikolaevich, and this is impossible, because these are representatives of the authorities, and if we don’t let them in, if we detain them, what do you want, a coup d’etat, but no, well you can do something there, i say, i can’t, at the end of august khazbulatov speaking , he was already preparing himself to become a leader, maybe not the first person, of course, but not the last, speaking to the public, i don’t remember, where else is he, but how long can we tolerate this, well, of course, yeltsin did all this... they showed, he got the man started, for real, so it was a surprise to me that there was no decree. dear fellow citizens, in recent months russia has been experiencing a deep crisis

of statehood; it has been drawn into a fruitless and senseless struggle for destruction. literally all state... institutions and political figures, he says, i will sign the decree, but only it will not be on september 19, but on september 21, because the nineteenth does not fit well with the nineteenth state committee for communities, when it was, in accordance with the presidential decree, which already signed, from today the implementation of the legislative, administrative and control functions of the congress of people's deputies and the supreme council of the russian federation is interrupted, i will no longer convene a meeting of the congress. powers of the people of russia federations are ending. well, a decree came out,

everything was calm, i even walked along red square and listened to the concert. who was the author of this decree, who wrote it? it is unknown, it is unknown. i think one of his assistants, although they do not admit it, no one, here is a folder with the same thing: the famous presidential decree number 1400, seven pages of typewritten text, only

the date september 21, time 20:00 is written in by hand in his book of notes by president yeltsin claims that he signed the document a week before this deadline, although without explaining why. exactly at 20:00 filtsvyaz was supposed to deliver copies of this document to those whom it primarily concerned, the chairman of the supreme council khazbullatov, the president of russia, rutssky and the head of the constitutional court zorkin. i brought it, by the way, i was writing the conclusion of my monograph, voronin, my first deputy, pops into the rest room and says: this is a coup, i say, now i’ll finish writing the conclusion, then we’ll take on the coup. after the decree was published, events developed rapidly. near the house of soviets the construction of barricades is underway, people have already gathered to defend the white house, there

is an emergency meeting of the supreme council inside. at 0:17, the deputies decided to remove yeltsin from power and appoint rutskovo as acting. the corresponding sign immediately appears on his office. the country entered a regime of dual power. but then you declared yourself president, i did not declare myself, this is the decision of the congress, why the congress took place, on the basis of which, after decree 1400 was issued, mirudskoy gave a definition of what yeltsin did, why, and the constitutional court, 13 out of 13 judges, four did not vote, nine voted in favor, based on the decision of the constitutional court, a meeting of the supreme council was held, again in accordance with the constitution, if something

happens to the president, then who fills this position, vice president, vice president, when they tell me that there, the constitutional court decided to excommunicate yelchin from power, yes, but the fact is that the constitutional court itself was a body that was not approved by the constitution. russian federation, it is not there was more, that was the whole problem, it was a legal dilemma from which there was no way out without the good will of the parties, and on the part of the supreme council, i am sure of this, there was no good will from the white house, in which the lights have been turned off since september 21, warmth and telephone communication, rutskoi was already issuing presidential decrees, but no one was implementing them and had no intention of implementing them. tell us about the meeting that took place by candlelight? literally on the third, on the fourth day, the light

was removed from us, then it appeared, then was removed, we worked all the time by candlelight, as long as we there were, if i'm not mistaken, 16 meetings of the congress, most of which took place in the presence of the congress. by candlelight, the entire power unit is appointed. colonel general ochalov became minister of defense , army general barannikov became minister of security, and lieutenant dunaev became minister of internal affairs. the security forces begin the battle for the army. ochalov sends telegrams to military units, urging the military to take their side. yeltsin's minister of defense, general grachov, calls on the military to be faithful to the oath. but while the supreme council relies on the most radical forces,

colonel general makashov and. what these people were like is clearly demonstrated by this photograph: a detachment of russian national unity marches around the white house. after the decree was issued, when i received a certificate signed by boris nikolaevich, he called me an hour later, he and what are your first steps, i answered him that first, i believe that it is necessary to pursue such a policy that... prevent bloodshed, this phrase was said: what are you talking about, what bloodshed, there will be no bloodshed, first blood broke out already on september 23, terekhov’s group attacks the cis headquarters, two were killed, on october 2 there were already large-scale clashes with

the police on smolenskaya square. supporters of the white house are blocking traffic along the garden ring, erecting barricades and burning roofs, we will win with a bang, 29 people are injured, mostly police officers. but you had a machine gun, were you ready to use it, or did you go to the journalists just for a spectacular picture? if it didn’t work out, i’d have to use it as a last resort. from this building no one shot at people, police officers or military personnel. why

were there so many weapons in the house of sovetov building? when. he was the chairman of the supreme council, he decided to create a security service for the supreme council, there on the ground floor from that entrance was the headquarters of the security service of the supreme council, where there was a weapons park in which machine guns, pistols, cartridges were stored, still not exact figures, exactly how many weapons were inside, according to the prosecutor general's office, which led the criminal case opened after october events, there were about 2,000 guns in the white house at the time of the assault, plus a sufficient supply of ammunition. more specific figures are given in the inventory materials compiled by the leadership of the defense headquarters of the house of the soviets, 310 machine guns and 1,500 pistols. ochalov personally gave the order to issue weapons

to the volunteers who guarded the house of the soviets. well, there were some armed people there when this whole process had already begun, i don’t know how many of them there were, and then a lot of them came, for example, barkashov’s group came, a huge group, almost all of them came with weapons, there were more weapons, then quite a lot of weapons were seized in the city hall opposite the building, there were a lot of weapons there, there were standard weapons, pistols, machine guns, in my opinion there were several... light machine guns, we , in general, negotiated to hand it over, we arrived there together with sergei stepashin, talked with barannikov and dunaev, they began to be inclined to hand over the weapons. the russian found out about this and said: “that’s it, stepankova and stepashino are more in bely don’t let us in, if they bring us in, it means there is disorganization in our ranks. how many days

did you spend in the white house? from august 20 to october 4. you didn't leave the white house? no, i went home a couple of times in august, i had to get toiletries and so on, so on, in fact i was here, we spent 16 days there, but the hardest ones, of course, when you were in the white house, you tried with him contact to talk? tried, repeatedly, it didn't connect, didn't connect, repeatedly. because there was a fairly simple solution to this , let’s call it a conditionally constitutional crisis, yeltsin more than once spoke about holding joint elections, a congress of people’s deputies, there was no need for a constitution, it

was necessary to hold simultaneous elections. when rutskoy and khazbullatov barricaded themselves in the white house, did you communicate with them? yes, i came and there were several deputies there, whom i knew, they had stomach ulcers, and i even abuse my position, that they did not examine me in the briefcase that my security guard carried, brought them dairy products there, white bread. his holiness patriarch alexy ii is trying to reconcile the parties and avoid the worst. he urgently interrupts his visit to the united states, where celebrations are taking place on the occasion of the bicentennial of orthodoxy in america. when the patriarch appeared. in moscow, i talked with boris nikolaevich that you need to meet with the patriarch, he agreed, he said, yes , i’m ready, and the patriarch agreed, then we

organized their meeting, they agreed in the kremlin about what boris nikolaevich said, here from i will be at the negotiations, fillatov, soskovets, himself a betrayer of the government, and lushkovskaya, the president, there were no odious figures, these were very reasonable people who were understanding of the situation and wanted to avoid this bloodshed, a lot of bloodshed, i said so, admonished the delegation, the chairman of the two chambers , first question, i have the authority to accept any compromises, but with one condition, the cancellation of decree number 1400. on october 1 at 10:00 am here in the st. daniel monastery , three-day negotiations begin between the parties to the conflict, chaired by patriarch. negotiations are difficult and sometimes emotional. oleksiy

ii interrupts verbal skirmishes with a short phrase: again we are going into a tailspin, no need. protocol number one, it was signed in mary at 4:00 in the morning, in the svyatodalovsky monastery, before and after this was confirmed by authority, but unfortunately, both khazbullatov and ruchskoy, and many deputies perceived this as a betrayal on our part, and a chance for in order to reach an agreement with the president was missed, this gave a chance to escape from the situation of civil war, which... was ripening, well, first of all in moscow, st. petersburg, and then possibly throughout russia. on october 3 at 20:00, the parties were supposed to meet again,

no one arrived at the appointed time, everything was already in flames on the street. we said goodbye to the patriarch, by the way, i think he had a heart attack, because he felt very bad, he somehow sat down, but we were already in a hurry, we left, and i drove up to the kremlin, the kremlin was dark, not a single one there is no light on the street, why on the day of the assault the kremlin lights were turned off, there was already a kind of martial law, this was correct, because in the kremlin had practically no security left, all the security that there were, were all given over to... participation in events outside, well, we know that many ministries were occupied by rutskov’s

riflemen, i am the government, combat-ready men, in the left part here they are being built to form detachments, we must storm the city hall today. how the decision was made to send people to the city hall and kostankin or rudskoy did not consult with you, the decision, well, what kind of decision were you there, this one was quite spontaneous... and then huge crowds of people broke through barriers, the police fled, rudskoy was already in command, he was busy with rudskoy , at that time shooting had already started, and i went out myself along with my assistants, security, so i

think, well, now they’ll come and arrest me , that’s it, hello, there’s no assault , why, because they were shooting fools, the cartridges were all with cables. we took this damned mayor's office, and when there will be no more mayors, no

peers, no sirs on our land, and why was there no strengthening before, why? because we didn’t know where the signal was coming from, where it could be transmitted, then and at the same time i sent there, to interact with the police, i sent my deputy, colonel general golubets, but makashov’s goal was, listen, they immediately took up defense here on the front line along the parapet 1830 , something like this makashov demanded by megaphone to release the guards to come out and surrender amonites maybe they don’t understand yet, let us convince them for now without bloodshed, at the time of the arrival of makashov’s group, ostankin was for some reason guarded

by only... 84 servicemen of the internal troops, who had only body armor and rubber batons. now they brought it to me, dear tv viewers. due to the armed siege of the ostankino television company, we are forced to interrupt the broadcast. who gave the order to ram the doors of ostankino? he, he gave it, but he didn’t admit it in the interrogation reports, because

it’s a car. he was, i mean, he arrived, he was given the command by acting president rutsky to take him so that the television could be carried out. why did makashov go to ostankino? broadcast, they kill people on the streets with sniper guns, and that side of the kremlin is constantly spinning the record, rudskoy corrupt official, rudsky thief, sniper rudsky, the personnel knew that fire could only be opened after shots from the enemy, and when a grenade shot went through, the servicemen opened fire, some opened fire on top of the crowd, but before that they had already...

done passage by vehicles, that is, the mukashites were the first to begin, of course, to prove this, on the parapet, now on this platform , as soon as you go up the stairs, on the left, there is a sign, if you remove it, there is a trace from a cumulative projectile, you can still see it there today take a sample and now, 30 years later, take a sample to make sure that it was a cumulative projectile. a 3:2 fragment flew off this wall and cut the artery of private nikolai sitnik , a shot from a grenade launcher or, according to another version , an explosion of one of the devices inside the building occurred at 19:10, after which a battle began

that lasted several hours. during this time , the protection of the television center was noticeably strengthened. by 21 o'clock there were about 900 armed military personnel and police officers, as well as 24 armored personnel carriers. ostankina was detained. nights, emergency services are transporting the wounded, there were at least 124 people, 46 were killed. why did they still let him shoot him with a grenade launcher, well, as it should have been, and if we had shot first, then... that’s it, then they would blame us , i am often asked the question why you, that is, your troops used weapons, that it was impossible not to use weapons, for many years many

could not understand this, this is a very big tragedy, a big misfortune in the history of our country, when the first groups of armed... management of the second channel, then it was called rtr, makes an unconventional decision to start broadcasting from a backup studio on shabolovka, this is the same studio number 262 that actually saved the country from the information vacuum. starting from the evening of october 3, the broadcast here goes on around the clock, and this is not only news, the opportunity to speak out is given to, as they say now , public opinion leaders who urge people to stay at home, my colleagues from ostankino from the first ostankino channel and i, in general, are very i am pleased that there is an opportunity to give you

this studio and give you the opportunity express your feelings, work, no matter what words about democracy these deputies now hide behind and no matter how good appeals to the people they cover up their blood, or rather... the blood that their people shed, killing innocent people, they don’t care anyway, this will never be forgiven, i don’t know who proposed to whom today, where to go, who to protect, i propose not to go anywhere and not protect anyone, our home is our country, it is really big, more than these 4 km, here look, here we are all gathered here, give us a general plan, so we were all sitting in different groups, drinking, we immediately called each other and came here just to look you in the eyes. let's look into each other's eyes now, try to smile, no matter how hard it is, let's calmly go to bed, and tomorrow we'll figure it out. thank you, i appeal to all citizens of our country who are responsible to their children, their teams, their parties, movements and

trends. why did you decide to perform this performance, literally in a few hours, after those tragic events? i have been for many years supervised to moscow, met. those security forces, knew yeltsin closely, carried out a whole series of major events with him, and i was well aware that reprisals against the parliament were actually being prepared, those who ruined the soviet country, those who decided to deal with yeltsin’s opponents, their plan was completely different, so i believe that it can be stopped, after all , we must create favorable conditions for the process that began yesterday on the initiative of 63 leaders of the republics, regional territories, and no matter how difficult it is

no matter what, you and i are all interested in ensuring that no skirmishes, no conflicts occur in the coming days, you don’t regret that you appeared on television then, not at all, why do i regret it, on the contrary, that i regret it, if otherwise there would have been a corpse there five times more, they then interrogated me, and they opened a criminal case against me, sentenced me to 10 years, i said it when the events at ostankino had already begun, the broadcast was interrupted, you expected that people would also come to you, given that taz - is the main news agency countries, well, we weren’t unprepared for this, of course, we understood that something was happening, tas was, well... to say in professional weapons, we all were in place, it was sunday, but in order to break into the office, to offer

me some kind of deal with this bunch of weapons, of course i didn’t expect this, the yeltsin regime is not outlined, basin, four words: a real information bomb. people with machine guns demand that management hand over taz immediately. they know that they will believe the country’s main agency, and it is unknown how the wheel of history would have turned if the plan had worked. and who were the people who came demanding the release of the news, the yeltsin regime unreported? as i understand it, these were random people, they were carrying out some kind of assignment, well, i saw, they called in front of me, reported that the general director was against it, such executors, armed, brought me a decree from rutssky, which means i’m fired, so the new director, the new director also seemed like a random person to me,

completely not from our workshop, they assembled a board, well, the whole board said that it was not possible to work with the new general director will be, after that there was a whole night of threats, and since they did not know the technology, i managed , together with my comrades, of course, to make sure that... was provided with such security, not to give away what we could not give away in any case , the attempt to seize the central office of tas in leontievsky lane involved almost a hundred people, armed to the teeth, many completely drunk, behaved quite rudely, so you understood that there was fresh fumes there... you weren’t afraid that they could kill you, considering

that what happened on the streets of ivastankin, well to be honest, i asked myself this question several times later, and now i smile, because maybe i was too frivolous, but then it didn’t occur to me, i just had this, you know, inescapable anxiety when near ostankina, the battle began, yeltsin urgently... returns to the kremlin from a barvikha near moscow, where he spent the weekend with his family, flies by helicopter, the situation was changing rapidly, there was a possibility that armed supporters of khazbullatov and rudskov would block the center, at 19:15 the helicopter lands here, on ivanovskaya square, before the storming of the white house, there are only a few hours left, well, i got up, inralitet is sitting, a lot of people are sitting, chernomdin is sitting.

boris nikolaevich appeared, sat down, grachov was sitting, yeltsin said: “we have gathered to exchange opinions on what to do tomorrow with the white house, with those who have settled there, korzakov is standing, he says, it’s possible, boris nikolaevich, he says, yes , my deputy, the rear admiral, made this proposal, which means we’ll see several tanks from the football field.” should hit at the bottom of the white house, along the bottom, along the first floors, after which alpha internal troops must enter the white house and clear it. grachov turns to boris nikolaevich and says: there will be a written order, here he somehow jumped up, what is your order? what kind of complete, black silence, what kind of order do you need, don’t you see that

the bandits are sitting in the white house, and since the minister of defense is obliged to generally smoke them out of there, well , in october there was only one task, to put an end to the people who were in the white house, and not wanted to get out of there, who installed it? in general, the president, boris nikolayevich yeltsin, set it in his office when he invited us at night, so he set this task. looking at us, i realized that there was no particular desire to end it on our faces, because the people had lowered their heads. but most of your colleagues were not ready for radical measures? i think, yes, it was precisely for the radicals in order to put an end to those who were there... who were clearly not ready,

and apparently the generals were not ready either, otherwise how to explain that the army units only reached the capital late in the evening of october 3, but yeltsin had demanded it earlier, but they reported to him that the tankers were supposedly in the field, growing potatoes, although it was obvious to everyone that the police at that time could no longer cope with the unrest, the democratic formula of the army is outside of politics... in the end they enter parts of the taman and kantimirov divisions, 119 parachute regiment. in addition to them , the assault operations involve about 100 people, afghan veterans. what is yeltsin's mood? was on this day, the day of the assault, or he had just joined, generally

very collected, and especially at such moments everything was scheduled for 7:00 in the morning, but it was supposed that if people there used trace gas, but no one was there, everyone left the white house, everyone left, somewhere from four to 6, in my opinion, i just don’t understand , 9:00 the tanks are standing, he called, he says they didn’t take the blanks with them, they brought shells, but they weren’t supposed to shoot the white house with shells at all, they were supposed to shoot at the blanks. yeltsin's security had studied the house of soviets well back in august '91, when it was, as they said, the headquarters of democracy, they knew all the features of the building and the possibilities of its defense. and here is how yeltson, in his memoirs

, describes the reasons that prompted the decision to shoot at the white house. i remember the look. gracheva, a hard look, wow, how difficult it was for them to make this decision, to use military weapons in peacetime for soldiers and officers, the most difficult tests, we understood this back from the august tide, then no one wanted to kill anyone, the white house was a mine with a running mechanism, planted under russia, there were minutes, seconds left, the explosion was inevitable, yes, shoot, pavel sergeevich, shoot to save russia, save peaceful... people, to save millions from civil war, if the president is allowed to storm this building, i unequivocally declare, i will not leave here even a single step, i will fight to the end, i personally am not going to give up, i have a principle, it is better to die

a man , than to live under the face, here are the tanks, you see, this is the distance, how many of them will there be approximately? well, 600 meters , that’s right, 153-caliber high-explosive and cumulative shells are hitting the building, it was burning, the authorities are watching the growing crisis in the west, in this house, on kutuzovsky avenue, cnn will equip a studio from here. the same broadcast that the whole world watched. you were in the house of the soviets at the time of the assault, where exactly were you and what did you experience when they started shooting at the building? well, i was lucky, because my office was located in this wing

, so when shells or large-caliber shells flew from the ukraine hotel... the machine guns were working, they were working on the central facade, and we were protected, yes, they fired at us only from this side, so all the windows were, as they say, riddled with holes, well i had to lie down, or they give up, or an hour later, group a and group, tell me what you saw when you entered the building, there was a fairly young guy standing, maybe 22-25 years old. in glasses, wearing a beret, he had a makarov pistol, the hammer was cocked, i was going up the stairs, we were going up , i put the safety on for him , i said, son, don’t shoot yourself, he said, thank you, well, i immediately understood what it meant you can talk to the defender of the white house, there were a lot of victims here by that time, we saw about five people, probably, but where

the rest were, i don’t know, but there was blood, there were traces of blood there, it was a downright unpleasant sight. someone lean out the window, the lieutenant colonel of the alpha group will speak to you, please, someone answer , they are coming to you for negotiations, don’t shoot, they are without weapons, you tell them everything, they will tell you, well, when we entered, here there on the stairs, i saw three or four men standing, but i know two for sure, this is general makashov. and viktor pavlovichnik magashov asked who you are? well , i introduced myself, come up here, let's go to the deputies entered the hall, they were sitting with candles in their hands, then they told me the number, somewhere around 400 people arrived, probably as you began your speech, i said, this is the first time i’m speaking before such a high-ranking meeting, you are the people’s

representatives, we didn’t come in order to deal with you, and so on, well, in that vein. then they went up to the fifth or sixth floor, where the management was located. khazbu went there and sat with his entourage, they said what guarantees, i will repeat to you as the police officer said, we began to descend, well now i can say that shooting started, here the glass was all flying, and we stood there at the top, the glass was all flying into pieces, well, provocative shooting, i believe that who shot it, and these are the tanks that were on the other side of the ukraine hotel, who he gave the command, i don’t

know, that is, there was machine-gun fire. tanks on the other side, stop shooting, i was sitting in my office, suddenly there are huge windows there , about six meters, in my opinion, suddenly a window falls with a crash, with thunder, into this... the opposite hole, here my guards immediately rush towards me, the ranch will kill you here, then i no longer believed that i would get out of there alive, so there was some kind of weapon, what floor were you on, i had a big office, that’s on fifth floor, but tell us about your communication with the rud khazbullat, when you entered their office, what state they were in, if i say excitement, that’s... to put it mildly, well, a few, so to speak, were cocked, naturally, like that to say, they understood that

they were on the verge of death, what are you talking about we thought we felt it when they started shooting at the white house, well, i was sitting at the table, reading the documents that they brought me from the kremlin, then i think i’m falling asleep, i’m going to go take a shower, i go into the shower, a shell is in the office, stolan, behind which i was sitting, there were only chips left, bookshelves, all this, these ceiling blocks, all this on the floor, i came out of there, immediately to khazbullato ruslan, he says they hit the upper floors, kirsan nikolaevich, during the events of the ninety- third years, you acted as a mediator, but many people don’t remember you

only with your peacekeeping mission, but with your light suit and lincoln, in which they came here to the house of the soviets, you were not offered body armor and security, no, they weren’t, because all this happened spontaneously, i was here twice, during these events , we were thinking what to do, well, of course, we were very like, well, not what was calling, in shock , yes, like in the center of the white house, tanks are shooting, we are like parliamentarians, we’ll go to stop, well, this the so-called massacre in the center of moscow, someone said, they will shoot at us, we need a white flag, that we are negotiators, i noticed that there were these white curtains on valery dmitryevich zorkin’s window, i directly climbed onto the window sill, tore off this curtain from him, i had this black lincoln, we went out into the street with ruslan aushev, the driver valera, he’s this one, how come calls. in a white plaka or for a hitch he stuck it in the hood, ruslan started screaming, i’m there too sasha, the russian is there, let’s not shoot , the negotiators came, the shooting

stopped for a while, when they entered khazbullatov’s office, khazbullatov was sitting in the chair on the left looking so detached , not even once greeted us, and rudskoy immediately saw, he began to say kirsan, kirsan, you see he’s shooting at us, honestly, it’s scary. it was pretty bad when the whole house shook, well, when they shoot, it’s scary, of course, like when you’re in a building, when everything, and this building , is shaking, everything, unpleasant, let’s put it this way, why it had to be done, i don’t know, they started to want there to fire from helicopters, well , since we were told when setting the task that helicopters were loitering there, firing, and you were attacking, did you watch the shot on tv? no, we had a situation center, we saw and knew all this, i received the primary information, i then called gaidar, yegor was very close to boris nikolaevich, i say, there is no need to shoot, but what

happened to your office, it was smashed, this office , well, in fact, these are not shells, because many say that they fired with live fire, if they fired with live fire, this white house would not have been here, they were blanks, and what burned was also arson. shot half-vanks at one seventeenth floor, there were financial documents and there was a secret department, but why it caught fire, i can’t understand in any way, it caught fire, but long after the shelling of the white house, what kind of shells were fired? several blanks were found, mostly they were fired with full-fledged military shells. moreover, the most interesting thing is that after a couple of days these tanks were sent to chechnya, and several of

the tank crews were sent to chechnya. that is, the first shots were blanks, but apparently they were just aiming to see where it would hit, and then normal shells flew there, those who were in the white house, they used weapons, not a single one , from the weapons that were seized there , about 900 guns were killed, not a single person was killed, not a single examination showed that those guns were killed , after tanks hit the soviet house, rutskaya gives the order not to use weapons, there was no longer any point in resisting. i was often asked, and regarding rutskov, who was seen in those days with a machine gun in his hands, whether there was fire or not, whether he led it, we were in his office in in the rest room, near the open window, we found several cartridges from stechkin’s pistol,

which his guards had. then the security of the top officials was very fashionable to carry stechkin with you, most likely several shots were fired from there, a comrade from rup was covering me from behind, who while i was talking there, he was on the outside of the door while i tried to persuade them all to wise up we talked for probably 45 minutes, an hour, at first we talked without rutsian, volodya toranenko followed him, his personal one, as it were, while i was with them talked, came up, here is the russian, i already started with him, what they said, i said that their resistance, as if it could only end badly, would not be good for anyone, both traitors and who they sold to, well, i had to hear a lot of unpleasant words, from khazbul

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in the white house there were people who called on the phones, called up some of their friends who could have been surrounded by yeltsin and everything else, they almost all hid. on the other hand, where they did not fly or went down, but at least they did not carry out protection, because they did not die there from tank fire, most of the people died from gunfire, from gunfire from the side who stormed, at the time of the storm there were in the building more 2,000 people, tens of thousands on the street. in total , 74 people died that day, according to official data. a third of them are military and

police officers. 172 were injured. 2,000 soldiers testified that they had orders to shoot to kill anyone present. in the house of councils. and the fact that the soldiers and officers did not carry out this order is a great happiness, two days on the fourth, at night, on the fifth, even on the sixth, they were taking out, here were the barges, here they were loading corpses onto these barges, but officially, according to the documents , the number of victims, again who prepared these documents, that is, you believe that there were much more victims, about one and a half people. there were a lot of non-muscovites, there were guys from transnistria, there were guys from moldova, from ukraine, so it all seemed to dissolve later. no one was especially looking for their

loved ones. no bodies were found there. if we talk about the hundreds of dead people who were hidden, well, excuse me , probably each of them has relatives, well, at least the majority. and these relatives would come, because the relatives of those who really came to us. died, why and when were divers involved? divers were brought in mainly to see if maybe the corpses were from the bridge, and before there were quite a lot of weapons in the river, they were dumped, because the people from there, uh, on the fourth, ran away,

you can’t really walk around moscow with a machine gun, and ... quite a lot was found, we did not find any bodies inside the white house, at the same time, in one of the offices that looked towards the mir hotel, it was, in my opinion, abdulatipov’s office, we saw an iron cabinet, pierced by a large-caliber bullet from a sniper rifle, this was already serious, it was clear that this bullet went through double glass and was powerful enough to pierce even an iron cabinet, tell us about the role of snipers in this confrontation, there were snipers near the white house, yes there were , but near ostankino, but near ostankino there were no snipers, there were not some random snipers there, there were special forces there. they have military personnel who had just

arrived from chechnya and everything else, so they shot, right near the white house, there of course it’s not clear who shot, but at least in the materials of the criminal case the sniper was not identified as more than one, and why did this happen , because many witnesses say that they were there, there were snipers, they just couldn’t be restored, there was an opinion, and i i think that this is my opinion, too, that it is possible that a command was given for snipers to be installed, but specifically, i don’t even need to name any of the snipers, well, for example, many people said, based on the shots, it looked

somewhat like they could have fired from roof of the us embassy, ​​but tell me about... also, it means that they said a lot that the snipers were from israel, these snipers who were in ukraine, i personally saw one of them on the roof of the american embassy, ​​maybe it was just a frightened guard who suddenly decided to join the shooters. i don't presume to judge, but this was not investigated. what kind of bullets were in the bodies of those killed near the white house? were they ours or foreign? and you know, well, first of all, all this went through examination, everything was ours. i can tell you, almost 99%. which no matter how the bullets were fired, as a rule, the bullets themselves were bullets when they passed through a threaded barrel. then it hit a person’s body and then

they took it out, it is impossible to establish what and whose bullet it was. surprisingly, in those days crowds of onlookers gather near the white house to observe the power confrontation with their own eyes. the entire embankment area is packed with people. the most curious and desperate ones take places on the roofs, the white house is here in full view, for them everything that is happening is a political performance, where the ending will be bloody and terrible. the most the scary thing was that there were a huge number of people standing on the bridge who applauded after each shot, but what were they

applauding? victory of democracy over the conservative parliament, many onlookers, the most desperate, resorted to the white house, on the ground floor... through the broken glass, the windows penetrated inside, on the right side there was a room for managing the affairs of the supreme council and there was a storage room where gifts were kept deputies, the supreme council, during official meetings of the delegation gave gifts, these are the people who can easily be called already almost like marauders, they penetrated, despite the shots, despite the fire starting there, which means they were dragging these ... towards evening, the entire top of the white house would be arrested, accused of organizing mass

riots and sent to liforto, everyone was worried about their defeat -in his own way, khazbullatov, confused. did you have the opportunity to leave the white house and avoid arrest, but this is the same as running away, well, how would they treat me after that, that is, you didn’t have such thoughts at all, no, this is not in my rules, firstly, i’m still, uh, a military man, and i clearly and clearly understand what betrayal is, so... like this, i’m not capable of leaving people to run away after being arrested, as i did when the alpha men left, so we left, as they ordered,

so we wait, then korzhakov appears shouting, khazbullatov, rudskoy, so go there, the assessment and he was with the alfovites, and he answered the questions of the deputies, that ’s what he said, that’s what his comrades said, he says: this way not a single hair will fall from heads of khazbulatov, we go out, here’s an interesting thing, and there’s such a black crowd, he’s in front, there everyone said that snipers could shoot me, there votsky, suddenly this little guy who was walking ahead of me gets down, supposedly tying a shoelace, and then i thought, he got down on purpose, maybe so that someone would shoot, but why didn't they put handcuffs on the narus? for what, why? are they criminals, or what? well, didn’t makashov swear? well, as far as i remember, he was silent in the faye, when he got on the bus, he started a little bit, so a little bit, what did he say? well, he talked about betrayal, they betrayed their homeland, country, well, he