[000:00:00;00] loans, no, he didn’t take out loans, he never borrowed anything from anyone, he was very, but i can say, a careful person, responsible, always counted on himself, he lived alone all his life, so it was difficult for him to whom - to deceive, in general, these telephone scammers managed to scam him, let's listen to what you told us before the broadcast, attention. this is our house, where agaryusha and i lived, i’m going to cry now, where agaryusha and i lived for 19 years, it’s hard for me to say, he loved this dacha very much, he really i loved this house, it seems to me that he is here all the time, i have this feeling, i talk to him every day, we

have known each other since we were 8 years old, we went to the same school, we are very young, this is by the way, they were escorting him to the army, he was a hard worker, in the morning he was already in his lads, last year he didn’t do anything, here he did everything, absolutely, all these sides, he was so neat, god, i take every rope , which he touched with his hands, i don’t even throw them away, he dreamed of grapes all his life, he saw everything grapes, about until... and here, near the well, grapes grow everywhere, and he and i are biting one loaf of bread between us, well, we played like that, we enjoyed life, but now nothing pleases us,

that’s who this harvest is for now, it’s with me always, i’m sure that he sees me for something, he couldn’t, i was the closest person to him, my behavior changed last year, last year he broke his leg in the winter and was forced to live in moscow, during this time i think so, scammers somehow, maybe he met them at the hospital, on him they came out, and he had changed a lot, he was all sort of closed in his eyes, they didn’t look like he was stupefied, these calls started, i need... somewhere probably in march igor called me, and it was already so nervous if you were calling me now if you don’t transfer 4000, they will kill me today, i say, who will kill you? and he says, i mortgaged the apartment, as it turned out later that the whole house would be punished, all the neighbors said that he was going to everyone, asking for money, i couldn’t believe it, a man who had never

borrowed anything from anyone in his life, he took out one loan there for about 3000, second loan... 300-something thousand, credit card, mortgage loan, 3.5 million , in the end i got a phone call, there’s a text message: call the police at the house, i don’t want to be homeless, excuse me, give up the apartment, i start calling him, several times i’m calling, the phone doesn’t answer, i’m already starting to shake, it’s 13, i rather call the police , then they called me and said, that’s it, your husband is gone, he committed suicide, such communication that that evening he was actually driven to suicide, or maybe killed, honey, i'll give you some grapes brought him, just as you wanted, now this grape guy didn’t tell

him anything, nothing, just everything... everything is mysteriously covered in mystery, so they instilled it in your brain, like there now, he became dear to you, you know, just a dear person , my soulmate, i love him very much, i feel very bad without him, that is, my husband didn’t tell you who calls him, who writes to him, who processes him, that’s all, no, i understand that he was processed since last year because after some time his friend told me that it turns out that last year in the summer he had already saved up a million , he didn’t tell me anything about it, didn’t say anything, it was all on the quiet, and he changed his relationship with me, he began to come to the dacha, for example, at his right leg was broken, he was limping, he comes, he doesn’t go to the garden, nothing , he’ll help me get something from the store there, he just started acting like a stranger, i had different thoughts, maybe , i think he got some kind of woman,

because well, well, who knows, i don’t like get into my soul, and when this year in february he called me for the first time, he said that he needed money, well, somehow, i think it’s not enough, i also asked what you need, he deceived me. for an operation there, in general, he said something about medical services, i say , you’re deceiving me, because i know how he deceives, in general, i didn’t give it to him at first, these calls started, then he comes, then calls, once a week or so , he demanded, well, not exactly what he demanded, but just like that, if you don’t transfer, here’s me they'll kill you, at some point, she said, i say, who's going to kill you, tonight they'll come and kill you, i say, who, he says, friend, well, let's look at igor's correspondence with the scammers, how did it happen? they give you 400,000, they take 60,000 from insurance, take it, you can take off everything you have in parts. good afternoon, how far can i leave the house? for 3 hours, just go to skype.

okay, you're connected. in this bank branch they give a loan in 3-7 days, secured by collateral. no need for collateral, go to another bank. approved check the money account. did you get in? yes, how are you going to translate? consult with me to reduce the chance of blocking, to your card from a friend’s card, maybe a robot can call, you can trust the robot , okay, that’s it, transferred, i no longer have friends with money, i need to look, my wife told everyone that i had accumulated debts, solve the problem and nothing catastrophic will happen, but how to solve the problem if you have to while driving? not everywhere, everything will work out, it’s not privatized, it’s no longer there, send me the gratuitous transfer agreement, also your passport, all pages,

including the empty ones i took from the photo of the apartment, why do i need a photo of the apartment, i’m not selling it, we won’t sell it, the realtor will help you with our question, if the apartment passes the inspection, the apartment needs to be appraised, and for the payment for the appraisal, when you pay it, i’ll just we need to make it before... what about the apartment, the main one, how can they pay them at the end of the day’s work, i paid, and put it up for sale, if you are also in this apartment and no, i’m not registered, it was his property, that's why they were interested in the fact that one pensioner registered in this apartment, it turns out now i don’t know at all what happened to this apartment , because in theory it is now mortgaged to the bank, he could not do any official manipulations with it, but on his table when the investigators arrived, there was a stack of documents prepared for sale, including an extract from the unified state register, and before that he told me, just a few days ago, that he found a realtor to quietly bypass the bank

to sell the apartment for 6 million. i say, what if it is mortgaged bank, how can you sell an apartment for 6 million, it works out, i say, no it will be official, i don’t know how, but the realtor said that he could do it, so a photographer, some tatyana, came to him and took pictures of the apartment, he sent all the documents, photos of documents by phone, today i don’t know when i went to the notary, which means to formalize the entry into the inheritance, it was the end of may, she made a request, on may 25 the apartment had not yet been sold, it was still on igor, and what after that, maybe having all the documents for an apartment, maybe they have already re-registered it retroactively after may 25, but i see in in your correspondence, he addresses you to you, here... the last message is that call, how is it, yes, excuse me, when, forgive me, yes , first of all, when he sent this esque, call the police at your house, that’s what i thought , he told me that there are some kind of scammers there, oh, when, i thought that this is call the police to

the house, the next time i come home, to this apartment, then i read, i don’t want to be homeless, and here then, excuse me, when i read the navy, excuse me, i immediately thought that it wasn’t him who wrote it, vladislav andrevich sotnikov, candidate of psychological sciences, how... tell me, this is how they could treat a pensioner, that he was ready to give everything, speaking from a psychological point of view, everything here is very logical, perhaps it’s clear how this happened, we know very well , for many years now, it started with children and teenagers, when algorithms were being worked out for driving a person to suicide, then, well, is this some kind of hypnosis, or what? no, it’s not hypnosis, it’s more like suggestion, yes, it’s a broader thing then, when a person is programmed for... behavior, everything that you tell about your spouse, from the point of view of his personal characteristics, yes, all this was just leading to the conclusion that he will not be able to continue living with this experience , and you drew attention to a very important thing

, that it started for him when he found himself in a situation of serious health problems, his leg was broken, yes, he ended up in the hospital, he was active, constantly in mode that he was doing something, it turned out actually immobilized, this most likely was the reason that they found him at that moment when he was in an unusual physical state, unable to access some of his usual activities, and they started him. quietly lead to this, lead, lead, introduce small loans, in the end they imposed such a burden that he realized that, apparently , death is the best solution, now we need to somehow get out of this matter, a terrible, terrible situation, but at the level of hypothesis i see it exactly like this, okay, here we are after all we understand that hypnosis is present in this whole story, when you are being treated, how can you try to get out of this trance? the best way, the most... the best way is when a person begins to talk

with his surroundings, that is, there should be such beacons in the head, alertness, that there are close people, and i can do this with close people discuss the matter somehow, here in this situation i really don’t understand why he was so, so isolated from communicating with you, yes, if you we lived close to each other soul to soul with him, because this moment is the key, this is actually what... and what is important to talk about to all relatives, all people of the older generation, that if something changes for you behavior, if you are not the same as before, then what is this connected with , what is starting to happen in your life , yes, of course, i asked him many times, he didn’t tell me anything, then it turned out, he told me, very briefly, laconically , i signed a subscription to the fsb, and not a disclosure, i say what kind of subscription, then, when it’s already

gone. the police in the investigative committee had things that were confiscated from the apartment for 2 months, and they returned to me his handwritten notebook , where it’s just in a box, a school notebook, handwritten in pencil, i’m such and such, that means i’m giving a signature about not disclosure, that means, of this information, the fsb, which means about the fraudulent actions of bank employees, yeah, that means he realized that someone at the bank had cheated him, you know, they gave it to him at the bank. in some city of reutov, how he ended up there, he doesn’t remember when i asked him, he says, i wasn’t in reutov, and me, and i slowly through my channels, i found out that this is not our bank, where he already took out loans, why was he denied ours, they saw him in reut and he doesn’t remember that he was there, so pay attention that all are scammers, they took this story from sects, what a sect does, a sect strives to isolate a person from his society, because society

forces a person. after all, here, especially the older generation, people are law-abiding, so of course, they want to help, as i understand it, when they call, let’s get involved from the fsb, self-esteem rises, fulfill your civic duty, and in order for it to look like this. himself, which means they photograph it, send it, and then it’s a whole team, they process it, so we see a man, the scheme is absolutely understandable, they persuaded him to participate in the investigation of the fraud that they are doing at the bank, and here he is, like bait, who helps the fsb agencies to identify these scoundrels accordingly, that’s the result, the person decided to help, the person went through all the stages. got some money, uh,

of course, they promised him that he, that he would get it everything will be returned, just like with the apartment, uh, and then, uh, accordingly, they just didn’t find anything better, uh, how to get rid of him, and of course, to the people who become objects of such attacks, i literally, uh, cases from life, a 92-year-old mfa employee, my grandfather was already an ambassador to many countries, just a few days ago, he signed over his apartment to an fsb employee, and yes, in quotes, and at the age of 92 he was forced to move out of his apartment, can you imagine? what a stress it is for a person at that age to leave his home, so no under no circumstances do fsb officers, dear friends, call people and do not invite them to participate in any operational combinations, never believe them, turn off the phone, but the central one. it is possible, lena, that the call center says, yes, andrey, but

i want to say that this topic is simply blowing up our call center, i want to say that in total for all this time while we are working on it, we have received about a thousand requests from victims, this number is growing more and more every day, there are many stories, they are really scary, i want you now to tell one of them, false fsb officers also appear here, about whom valentina was just now talking, our experts, more than 17 million were lured by scammers from a scientist, doctor of physics and mathematics. for 4 months they could not scam him on behalf of the central bank, only when they introduced themselves as fsb employees, he met them halfway, as a result , in just a month he withdrew about 17 million from all his accounts and handed them over to the scammers, please, i would like to contact you again viewers so that they do not fall for such stories that the fsb does not call on the phone and does not asks anyone to transfer any money. they tell me that we need to break

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today is a special episode of the program 60 minutes, all the latest news about the situation in ukraine in the world, don’t miss it, 60 minutes, today good afternoon again, today there is a special episode about telephone scammers and their new ones tricks, in our program there is revelation of surviving victims and the latest schemes for scamming telephone scammers, but still scammers do not always manage to carry out their plans; today, conscious people sometimes save pensioners who behave suspiciously. a taxi driver from moscow, zhenizhbeg kobylov, who managed to outmaneuver a whole gang of telephone scammers and return half a million rubles to the pensioner , we meet him, hello, how did you end up in this

story, as i understand it, it was an order, yes, i received another order for delivery, by accepting the order, i received a call from the customers , they started rushing me, we reconstructed these events together with you , i sat and waited for the order, at 16:41, i received an order, they called me, they said i would need to pick up the bag while i was driving to belomorskaya , the man asked me to bring them a parcel quickly, i arrived on belomorskaya street, went up to the seventh floor. there was a knock on the door, my grandmother opened the door for me, handed me the bag, hello, courier, she looked

excited, her voice was in labor, can i find out what’s inside, are there any valuables there? no, no, no , i began to sort of continue to fulfill the order, the city of lobnya, naval lane 3, my intuition told me that there was something in the bag, something was wrong, the thought that they wanted to deceive my grandmother could not leave me, i stopped, began to open the bag, although we are forbidden to do so, where was this stolen money, wow, i counted this money, here it is 500,000, i naturally also filmed it on camera, that these are fraudulent schemes, i came up with my own scheme, i put them in the glove compartment,

went to meet them, the scammers, so to say, i arrived, here i was in the outskirts of the city of lobnya, a forest, i didn’t get out of the car, then after two or three minutes he came up, he was wearing a hood and glasses, but you couldn’t recognize him, and he just gave them an empty bag, he told me gave money for the order. took the bag and immediately disappeared, after i gave the order, three or 4 minutes later, this man called me, hello, where is the money, what money? started threatening me, like, maybe we’ll find you, that’s all there is to problems, or what? why are you lying? you get it, that's it, he stopped calling, and i i went further to my grandmother to give her the money. together with the police, we arrived at her house at the same time, there the grandmother opened the door, together with the police officer, i gave

her the money 500,000 that was there, i fulfilled my duty, i believe that i did the right thing, and i helped not only one grandmother , this act, it seems to me, became an example for many, but what was the reaction of the grandmother, i see these shots now? how do you hand it to her, she looks a little confused? well, at first she didn’t open the door, she thought that i had arrived finish off, only after the police, she opened the door, let's see what the owl svetlana malutina told about this day, a call came from a landline phone from the hospital where my sister was admitted, he introduced himself

as follows... he called her name, he told me that she was hit by a car, she is undergoing surgery on her spleen, she has a concussion and is stitching up her lip, she needs money to somehow settle this issue so that there is no trial, in the region 3 million rubles, i say, i don’t have that kind of money, as much as i have, then it means they sent your courier, his address is to me... my address, that's it seems to be the same, yes, well, he arrived, i handed over this package, he left, towards evening , the doorbell rang again, i saw the same young man to whom i handed over this package came, he said youngly, i have arrived , in order to give you the money, i found it, which means i somehow didn’t quite believe it, in the end they said that tell the young man thank you very much, which i did, all’s well that ends well, you have to come, be smarter, of course , of course,

call your sister, at least, why not call your sister, yes, that’s it, the main question is to clarify, because first of all the scammers are putting pressure on andrei at this moment that this is urgently needed, quickly here now, there is no time, urgently collect urgently transfer this money, this is actually a very typical misconception about what is on scammers come across people who do not... yes, who, who have problems with the fact that they have low intelligence or something else, is not connected with this matter, critical thinking , the level of their intelligence, education of everything else, these are completely different things maybe to be an incredibly smart person, that is why there are academicians, and professors, and coaches , and so on, here the key point is precisely the moment of criticality, so all people, regardless of age, level of intelligence, need such a red light in their head, if you are fast now they force you to do something, hang up. yes, that is, here, and after that it all begins, our guest is state duma deputy denis

kravchenko, i know that from january 1 there will be... a chance for at least two days to come to your senses? yes, andrey, indeed, i will confirm, we consulted with experts, with specialists, the cooling-off period is very important, now we are legislatively , carefully trying to solve this problem , firstly, to you, taking this opportunity, many thanks to you and your team, and the authors , to the authors of wonderful films, because the most important thing in this whole situation, in such an alarming time, is awareness, to inform people, the population, to tell, to describe in detail those formats of fraud and forms that are appearing today, you are great is doing the job, thank you for that, and here i would like to say that in our country for the second year now, there has been such a special register of the central bank, such dysfunctional or unreliable organizations with suspicious, meaning operations or

suspected illegal activities that the central bank conducts and literally at the end of july of this year, we adopted the corresponding law, the president signed it, which requires the banking community from banks to be sure to check their similar actions with this register, accordingly, we oblige banks to do this by law, banks checking with this, checking with this register, accordingly insure themselves against those already known... fraudsters, if it turns out that the ash-broker was there, but the bank neglected, then accordingly the money is returned to the person, this very important, respectively, the first second, which is very important, this is where this day comes in, that is, every other day, maybe the bank has the right to freeze this or that transfer in order to understand this situation, contact

with a citizen, ask him questions. maybe invite and so on, and accordingly we call this a cooling period , that is, again, january 1, 2024, yes, this cooling period is 2 days, when banks are obliged to check all transfers of individuals, and even suspend suspicious transactions, in the case of suspicious people they can, they can, but they are not obliged to, they must, they must, if they are suspicious they must, uh, for example, i would suggest specially developing instructions for bank employees, an algorithm, what they see if a pensioner came with his phone always on the receiver , took out a loan, god, check why he came to take this loan, check, don’t give him money, i have a feeling that sometimes there are not only scammers involved, but bank employees too somewhere, scammers are using algorithms, let us also

come up with an algorithm that will help protect our people, now for the algorithm, andrey, if interested, i can tell you, we, my colleagues , have prepared an initiative, which has now been approved by the government and will introduced in the next few days to the state duma, this is a so-called self-prohibition law, when you can come through government services or through the mfc, or remotely write a statement that you are limiting yourself in taking loans there, and you yourself, so you you can insure yourself against scammers, this is not forever, yes, when the time comes... you want to take out a loan, let’s say, then you will come in the same way, indicating your snils, presenting your passport, personally, without any powers of attorney, request withdrawal such restrictions, but at this moment there will again be a cooling-off period and you will have to come the day after tomorrow, already with a cool head, yes, many say, psychologists say that people are like in a trance and they come, like

a robot says i need it, i urgently, i rather, this is what i’m counting on, and here... cooling, according to specialists and experts, is precisely the key role, and in this way, i hope, in the near future, by adopting this law, and the bill, we will be able to secure, at least the bulk of those most vulnerable layers of our citizens, and lena, what does the stake say? i want to say that not so long ago a letter came to our editorial office with a similar story, where the victim also transferred money through a courier. unfortunately, the story turned out to have a sad ending, but i still want to tell our story about it. tv viewer to save someone from such scammers' trick. so, the retired inventor was scammed out of 200,000 rubles by scammers on behalf of his friend, who was ill. an eighty-two-year-old scientist and creator of various formulas for stabilizing chemical elements received a call from a woman, who introduced herself as lena. she said that she had been in an accident and needed 900,000 rubles. the pensioner, who actually knew someone with that name, got scared