tv Malakhov RUSSIA1 September 25, 2024 5:30pm-6:31pm MSK
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disappeared under mysterious circumstances, here again once again, here we see this airport where he was supposed to fly out, after the end of his vacation, alexander was supposed to fly home, a day later than his family, but he never got on the plane, 2 months later, in different areas of sochi, passers-by saw a homeless man, who was presumably identified as that same alexander kuznetsov, ice cream right on the first night he was sitting, sitting and smoking. we started our own investigation and found alexander's trail. moreover, we managed to reconstruct his last route, which led to an abandoned hangar. and most importantly, we found out that it was from there that the call to the emergency services was recorded. after buying something in the store, he headed along these paths along the pre-factory, apparently the navigator told him to move along the warehouse premises. what prevented alexander from returning that day?
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unfortunately, nothing bad happened to us, everything was fine , it's clear, let's watch those videos, which are on your phone, vityazyeva is a popular place, we were there too, there really are many people relaxing with their children, attention, ksyusha, look, how are you feeling, okay, okay, what is this? try to stick your hands out, you can see your legs, mummy, get out, honey, that's it, move away, harder, try, cool, yeah, come on, go wash up, look,
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tsyusha, i'm filming, come out, come on, kyush, how old is alexander, 36, 36, how tall is he, 170, somewhere during your vacation you didn't notice anything strange in his behavior, something he he said, no, everything was fine with us. he was walking, we he put us on a train, i had a train with my daughter, she was going to st. petersburg, because you went to your brother, you have a brother, we went to your brother, because i had a longer vacation, since i work as a teacher, and my husband had to go to work on monday, so it was friday, he had a train during the day, where my husband works, my husband works - the kalinin nazik plant, it's a defense enterprise, yes, it's a defense enterprise, and they told me: which
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sasha wrote to you, your correspondence, attention, all the seats were taken at 0.25, no, half the carriage is occupied, you answer, yes, on the train, very good, 5:24, you write to him, how you arrived already at the airport, and there is no answer, yes, i just told him, when you get on the train, write to me so that i don’t worry, so he wrote to me that he got on the train, i saw at 5:24, then... i write to him, he doesn’t answer, he doesn’t get in touch anymore, yeah, i immediately called my mother, i say, has my husband called you? she says: no, i say, he doesn’t get in touch, let’s, let’s move to you in yekaterinburg, what else did you tell us
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about how you've been living these 3 months, if i'd known that this would happen, we wouldn't have gone anywhere, i wouldn't have let him go alone. this is a photo, just before we went on vacation, my daughter sleeps with this photo, every night she asks when daddy will come home, i don't know what to answer. here, he still has all his things, that is, he definitely wouldn't have abandoned us, here is his guitar, he played it every night, together with his daughter we sat in the kitchen, played, sang songs, here is
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his favorite toy, he boxed together with his daughter, here are his gloves, here are his daughters gloves, specially bought for my daughter. so that my husband could teach my daughter to defend herself, and it's hard for her, now school has started, my husband always helped with math and english, every evening we pray at the same time that he would be found, and my daughter also begins to pray with me, well, come, be found, alive, be found , every time i do my homework, i look
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at her and remember my dad and think, where is he now, if he is now sitting hungry, i am very worried about him. "dad, please come home soon, i miss you very much, i hope you hear this and come back home, if you have a new one, you will remember me with your mom and grandma and all your relatives, and you will come back home, because i miss you very much, the girl thinks that dad has lost his memory, did you write to your parents? "that you saw a man who looked very much like him, and you contacted the police, did you write a statement? my parents wrote a statement, because at that time i was on the train, well, there was no way for me to write, my parents wrote a statement, this is a search, well, i know that dad all these months
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papas is conducting his investigation, and tell me, is it true that alexander returned the train tickets and bought new ones, you see here, the assumption is that... he bought more, he just bought more, i didn't know, my mistake is that i bought a ticket, it was for sochi, i should have bought the anapa airport, because my husband only flew from anapa, and since the airports in anapa are closed, i bought one to sochi, so my husband bought a ticket at the station before leaving, and tell me, well, here's the distance, let's show a map for those who also don't know from the train station. adler to sochi airport is 4 km, or you have to go out, take a taxi, or you have to take a bus, a train or walk, but he had money, as i understand it, he had cash in the range of 5-8 thousand for sure, he had a card, but he is not a fan of walking,
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we still have a guess in our heads, we assumed, we had, but we cannot understand why he went on foot, unless, for example, let's say , he had a lot of time, he decided to walk only along... one of the last people alexander contacted was his friend denis, denis zakharov, let's look at their correspondence, attention. you're in town, here you go, today until sunday shashlik fishing, he replies hello, i'm only flying into town in the evening, and what time is it at 22:30, well, it 's a bit late, let's see, are we in tents there or something, one two-man, with whom we gathered, that is, friends were relaxing, and maybe he was thinking about joining later, yes, yes, well then a friend said that it was very late, let's have you come the next day, he said, yes, okay, well, in general, it's 13:47, but what time is that in yekaterinburg or moscow? i can't
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say honestly, but let's ask denis, denis zakharov gets in touch with us, denis, hello, tell us about the communication, there is a missed call, that is, you communicated only via sms or then there was a call and you communicated only via whatsapp, it turns out, you did not find the behavior suspicious, was alexander writing this himself, no, no, no, everything was like... normal, but he was just wondering who i would go on vacation with, suggested to him, like the next day he would also take another colleague there, and like come, well, what did he say, like i'll think about it, that's it, could he not get in touch for a long time before, i was told that you've known each other for how many 10 years, 10 years, yes, but there were times when he didn't get in touch, well, it's unlikely that he wouldn't get in touch like that, he might not pick up the phone, but he could also be there with others... friends , he was relaxing like that, that's the moment, and what did you do to find your friend,
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did you do anything? sasha's relatives offered help, at least financially, you gathered a team at work, friends joined in, it turns out that the relatives made a group on whatsapp, well, sort of caring people, plus i also connected my friend sochi, so that she could somehow help, they posted information like this, that a person... disappeared in local and sochi publics, social networks, they looked for him, but say, he couldn't go to the svo, no, no, but he, like, we talked with him for a long time, he supported his own, but he wouldn't dare to do something like that, well, what do you think, what's your version, he works at a defense enterprise, they said that he knows english very well, yes, he couldn't just be kidnapped, well, how say, my opinion is that yes, perhaps his...
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they started sending their opinions, their own versions of how events could have developed, i want to let you listen to one call, this girl asked us not to mention her name, but nevertheless it seems to me that she gave very valuable information, let's listen, it was on the 15th, 16th of july, well, on this street, yes, where the dolphinarium is, i saw him there a couple of times, well, in bad shape, he was like... bomsh was in shorts, naked torso, dirty, unwashed, next to him was
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a piece of watermelon, a chikushka, vodka was once, sitting on the sidewalk, that is, many who trade there constantly saw it, and we have the coordinates of this place that she is talking about, yes, yes, the woman left us the place where it was, yes, now we see the adler canteen, chikalova street, house 1:1, that 's it.
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here a version was voiced that something could be connected with the defense of enterprises and someone said, i think his friend, that he held some simple position, well listen, we know a case in the media, about them also... well, they said, where a simple mechanic didn’t tighten a nut, for example, in some combat aircraft, this is already, what is called the first reason for some kind of emergency situations, well, for example, therefore, if he really had some information, maybe somewhere, somewhere , someone nearby, as they say, was in his majesty’s case, blabbed something, they took him away, took him away, they are finding out,
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these are two, in my opinion, assumptions, yes, yes, here... according to the information that is available, i honestly, sincerely sympathize with you, but according to official statistics, quite a large percentage of people who are being searched for by their relatives, who are declared missing, are people who break off ties with their relatives on their own, even with their closest ones, and even we discussed one case in this studio when a whole performance was staged for this, unfortunately this happens, so i have a question for you, are you sure that alexander could not have done this? maybe there were some warning signs? no, he could not. no, well, i just don’t know if you’re talking about that story or not, but in 2020 in this studio we all the country was looking for the missing ekaterina trubkina, yes, then the husband and parents were in the studio, the husband said that he found his wife's correspondence with a certain man, he claimed that she could
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me, translation from turkish, premiere, on saturday, hello, on rtr, went on vacation and disappeared, once again, hello, today in our studio we... are sorting out the circumstances mysterious disappearance of a resident of yekaterinburg, who worked at a defense plant, he went on vacation to sochi. relatives of thirty-six-year-old alexander kuznetsov contacted the editorial office of our program. let me remind you that on june 7, after a vacation in anapa, he was supposed to board a plane and return home, but on the way to the airport he disappeared. before leaving for commercials, the wife and friend of the missing man told about the last messages they received from alexander, until the connection with him was lost, and during the commercials, sasha's parents, rosa and sergey kuznetsov, joined to us to help us find our son. hello, when was the last time you spoke
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to your son? i last spoke to my son on the seventh, i knew he was traveling by train, so i wrote to him, i didn’t know exactly when he was arriving, i just wrote: son, what time are you arriving? he told me, it’s late in the evening, i said, let’s... meet you, well, from the airport to your home, it’s quite a drive, he wrote: “no, no need, don’t meet me, i’ll get there myself, i have one handbag, so no need to meet me, and we don’t live in yekaterinburg itself, in in the suburbs, 40 km away, he wrote, why would you, well, run around, now we see this correspondence, yes, at 23:42, it's already late, your eyes are closing, you write, you got home, yes, he doesn't answer, you wake up in the morning and see that there is no answer, where are you son, he's not home, we've lost you and the search for him begins, i know that sergeyevich, you can't fly for health reasons, but over these months, how many times have you already ended up in
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sochi from yekaterinburg? we went by car five times, here's the last one, the last time we were forced to fly by plane, and how do i i understand, you also connected everyone you could, yes, and the russian guard, the ministry of emergency situations, a volunteer. we also personally watched kilometers of video, please tell us, really, what did you find? on one of our visits , or rather, on the first visit, we went along the route assumed to be the son show, we looked through all the channels, all the surrounding areas, at least trying to find something, let's see, you did this with our correspondent, we'll look at the scene, all attention. we started looking for our son almost immediately, here
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such. we pasted them in sochi, showed our son in such heat walking on rails, this is for taxi drivers at the airport, at the train station, so that it does not look like our son, here now there is a bridge like this, there are bushes, ravines, of course, my son could have stumbled somewhere , fallen, maybe, we turned everywhere, turned to psychics, to magicians, specially spent the whole day, walked around a large section of the river, no, here behind this hillock at 300 and the airport, we think that he could have seen something criminal, that is not for prying eyes, so he could have been kidnapped or hit, volunteers, police, emergencies ministry personnel passed by here, they searched everywhere, everything
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was walked everywhere. the only thing they, the volunteers , found was my son's shorts, the same brand, his size, but they were very dirty, grimy, and we don't know what they were doing here on these branches, we went around everything we could, we've already gone around everything along the road my son passed, we walked like this and said, son, forgive us, we can't find you, we're leaving home without you again, every time when... "sorry son, what we didn't find you again, i understand that it's hard to talk now, but you restored the call details from your son's phone, yes, because the sim card is registered to ira,
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that's right ira, yes. i ordered the details in order to see what were the outgoing calls from my husband, or incoming, in order to understand why he didn't board the plane, why there was no registration, i saw that all the calls, all the messages were from us, from relatives, from friends, i saw 112, minute 59, i immediately wrote to my parents, sent the details, and... we had no connection, maybe he called me once, this message came that i was online, and it’s understandable, because we didn’t even exchange regular messages, it’s understandable, so, 17:27, there’s this emergency call, it’s recorded,
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it’s not recorded in the ministry of emergency situations. as they explained to us, the operators were busy at that moment, so they couldn’t answer, wait, it’s two minutes, 59 minutes, everyone is busy, that’s what they explained to us in the ministry of emergency situations, in the police, but they opened a case, tell me, they opened a search case, on the seventh, i immediately called the transport service, on the eighth, they checked everything there, and even sent us a photo. from the station, that here he came out of the station, they even indicated the time 13:14, well, upon arrival of the electric train, here he is above coming out of the station, is this him, right? yes, this is him, they told us this photo, then the city police will deal with this, this is no longer ours territorially, so yes, we will pass on the question to you, please tell me, did you take the details, well, like calls, of course, they are recorded, but also
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internet access is recorded, reception. something from the internet, was this recording recorded for you provided, if so, where was he at that moment, in what place, no one gave me the geolocation, they said, we are not in the cinema, even good, the police officers who opened the search case, they explained to you, the rescue service, after all , someone answered the phone, i just can't understand, minute 59, everyone is so busy that they don't answer, or after all, someone picked up the phone, no one picked up, they told us, this is where the voice is, i fell, through my friends there. they sent me that he said, help, i fell, this is the message, i asked to follow, this is appeared only a month later, yes, i asked the investigator, just the other day, provide me with this recording, they do not provide this recording, our correspondent kamilla khusainova walked exactly along alexander's route, let 's see, we are following alexander's last route, known to us, on the seventh at
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a village there, or there, here in this place, on these paths it is impossible to get lost, because literally a few kilometers from the airport, alexander's trail is lost, the last call was recorded at 15:27 to the emergency services. well, camilla is with us, kamil - please tell me, as i understand it, this plant, where did the message come from, what kind of place is this? in fact, his path was very dangerous and illogical, we went along alexander's route, past this reinforced concrete plant there are warehouses, this is an abandoned place, a wasteland, there are no residential buildings nearby, and then you need to go up the mountain, the path is already abandoned, it is clear that no one has walked along it, well, except maybe parents and employees - the police, that is, it is very danger zone, you shouldn't go there, it's illogical, especially since there was a normal asphalt road nearby, where a person could easily walk, why did he have to climb the mountain, and especially since i think that he was really alive, we
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recorded him on camera two and something, and then that's it, he didn't get in touch, precisely in this danger zone. andrey, maybe at that moment, forgive me, he dialed 112, realizing that he was in danger, forgive me, yes, and waited for this help for 2 minutes. from the emergency service too the question is, what kind of emergency service is this, that you can't get through within 2 minutes, but either to attract attention and protect yourself, right, if he protects himself or maybe someone else, maybe he was there and not the only one kidnapped, i suppose, we are naturally, a sensible person, works at a defense enterprise, it is clear that he is not stupid, a mathematician, knows english, plays sports, 112 calls, then something, something alerted him, okay,
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they are holding one person, i don't even understand what you felt at that moment, i he didn’t really betray, he said, yes, we went out to search, we arrived in vadler, we filed a report with the police, only the next day at this very moment, i put everything together, we have a lot of people from those with whom i served, a lot of people who serve in the ministry of emergency situations, in the police, the fsb, that is , a lot of people were involved in this case, so there was information there, it didn’t seem like it right away, wait, at 2:00 in the morning, i’ll tell you simply as a former head of the criminal police, at 2:00 in the morning
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they don’t just call, it means either really some information, first, second, this means that the person is directly related, we assume to your son, that is, under what circumstances did this happen? he didn’t offer anything, after i said that we had arrived, we filed a report with the police, he... said, okay, we’ll look into this, only the next day i compared everything, firstly, my phone number was not mentioned anywhere at that time, not in any criminal cases, not in any statements, nowhere, nowhere, i was driving the whole time, i was the only one driving, that's why i was running around on this road, i slept quite soundly last night, that's why i didn't immediately understand the essence of this call, it was just that i was put on the phone. later we started to sort it out, at the moment when
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let's see what this voice says, presumably chizhy alexander nikolaevich, yes, kuznetsov sergey viktorovich, father of kuznetsov alexander sergeevich, where did you get my phone number at that time, i only left this phone number with my son, i sent a message to my son's phone, who is this anyway, this kuznetsov sergey viktorovich, are you? are you making fun of me, two employees from two different cities have already called me about this call of yours, from novosibirsk, from sochi, now i have to explain all this to you for the third time, is it possible somehow to meet you, no, i'll tell you an absolutely inadequate response and inadequate behavior, even taking into account, if the police called someone, it seems to me that the person...
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all these people, like they say, when liza alert works, will search, then i think that in a completely unexpected place this person will be found, he will be alive, but something happened, he feels like there is some kind of negligence, or some kind of situation with the course of circumstances, this person, and there is guilt, but it is not direct, there is not such the story that they took something with him there, did something, and now they are calling... trying to get something from the father or so it seems that there is a story that will be revealed, and i urge you to believe, because... the fact that you believe so much and do so much is colossal support for this person, and how does alexander's other family react, excuse me, where there is, as i understand it, also a son, he pays alimony, does not delay, they are somehow worried, participates in the search, we did not, we did not say, no, but tell me, you, you are at the very beginning of the program
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sochi, the investigative committee of russia for the krasnodar territory, is investigating a criminal case on the known disappearance of a resident of yekaterinburg under the article on murder. as part of the investigation of the criminal case, the investigator of the investigative committee conducted an inspection of the scene of the incident along the route of the man, as well as in the area where his last location was recorded. in order to establish the location the missing person was carried out on a large scale. search operations in the mountainous wooded area, including with the use of a quadcopter. the search operations were attended by police officers, the ministry of emergency situations, the russian national guard, and volunteers, in the amount of more than 150 people. a forensic genetic examination was appointed and carried out to
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determine the man's dna profile , register him in the federal genomic information database, as well as a range of other examinations. the investigation of the criminal case continues, it is very strange that the criminal the case was opened only after 3 months, i'll just calm down, probably the relatives, although they probably understand, this is technical information, that under the article of murder, that is , when a person disappears, this always happens, that is, it is not a fact that there is any evidence that indicates this, so let 's now make another short advertisement, right after it, eyewitnesses who saw alexander in different areas of sochi, as well as versions.
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the russia tv channel, today we are discussing the mysterious disappearance of a resident of yekaterinburg, thirty-six-year-old alexander kuznetsov disappeared on june 7 on the way to sochi airport, having reached adler railway station, he called his parents and was no longer in touch. we began our own investigation, to find out. that at 13:36 alexander made a purchase at a grocery store, and at 14:18 he was seen in a vacant lot near a reinforced concrete plant, after which at 15:27 a call was made from his phone to 112. some time later, his clothes were found in the vacant lot. kamilla khusainova, our correspondent, spent several days in sochi and found eyewitnesses who saw alexander kuznetsov. let's see. and you, don't saw this man, he got lost 3 months ago, i don't remember, don't remember, haven't seen anyone like that, well, now i'm going
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to pay attention, have you seen this man by chance, i didn't see him, i think, he was sitting on the corner down there, on the corner, where down there, as you walk down the street, closer to the sea, yes, closer to the sea, we saw him a long time ago, maybe two hours ago, two hours ago, we didn't see him, when... you go to the beach, there's some ice cream place that sells ice cream, right at the first entrance to the beach, i think he was sitting there, sitting, smoking, and what was he wearing, what did he look like, like a white t-shirt and this a military man's tracksuit, a grocery store, he 's always lying there under it, this man, of course, show the girls the store, he's certainly not so bad at it, we managed to find out that a man, like two peas in a pod, similar to alexander, was seen? in different areas of sochi, for example, 20 days ago he visited this grocery store, literally a few hours ago he was in this cafeteria, but they say that... i want
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to say the following: this version has already been heard several times today, and as if even in its support now started receiving messages, here is one of the latest from a resident of the krasnodar region, who wrote to us that recently, especially over the summer , a lot of information began to appear about people disappearing, and tourists and pensioners are disappearing, and they are not found so often and... supposedly all the locals know, but no one talks about it so openly, because they are afraid, since people do not just disappear, they are kidnapped into labor slavery, and they are there for years, and then they are taken to various regions, but the krasnodar region, as such a crowd of people in the summer, is very much guilty of this. arina fayrushina, a representative of the volunteer movement, which is engaged in the fight against human trafficking, freeing them from
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slavery, joined us. hello, hello! statistics, what does it tell us, how many people in russia may be in labor slavery today? we do not have national monitoring of the situation, we only have figures from international organizations, they vary the situation for us from 900 thousand to almost 2 million people in russia are in a state of modern slavery, and it's even hard to believe it. and your movement, how many people have you freed, saved, have you been around since 2011? one of the most problematic areas, the southern regions, they are our record holders in this regard, and i understand that this sensational video a few months ago, when the residents of minsk were freed from slavery, this is just a girl-volunteer of your movement, yes, yes, let's watch this loud video, look, they are not letting you take her away from the brick factory and already
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some guy drove up and they won't let me take him away. who is enslaved here, faster, faster, faster, dmitry, faster, get in, let's go, you won't take anyone away from here, get away from my car, i'm filming you, get away from my car, let me pass quickly, run, when and how did you get to the brick factory, in yaroslavsky on...
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young man, yes, looking at him, you even think, can't he manage to escape, yes, at the same time your volunteer, we see how his hands are shaking, but at the same time these bandits, yes, they stand brazenly threatening, they are not even afraid that they are filmed, and the girl is pursued, yes, then the question is, what can protect a person from falling into slavery, guaranteed, of course , nothing can protect, it is clear that there are some safety rules and they basically say: about not looking for work in some places that are not intended for this, after all, formalize labor relations, but strictly speaking, of course, nothing can protect from this, because there are still frequent cases of abduction into labor slavery, and do you think the son could agree if he was offered some one job for a day, to earn money, i don’t know about that, but you know, this version, given what we’ve heard here, i
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still think that it, among others, should be... a priority, because this guy, yes, from minsk, who was saved, this is one, one scheme, when they end up in brick factories, there are farms, fields and so on, so on, basically this happens when people are either given alcohol or something is added to it that knocks a person out for literally several days, there were cases when even in moscow, kidnapped people were taken to dagestan, they didn’t even come to their senses, and that’s a day and a half or something, and the second point, of course... it’s connected with the region itself, the region is agricultural, they need labor, and this sounds wild in fact for many, but slavery really does exist, if 10 years ago such workers cost 15 thousand rubles, that is, there are these hunters who find gullible people and bring them, but now prices reach 50, you asked an absolutely correct question, what to do if in such a situation
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got there, firstly, you need to signal everything that is called possible. some signals, give them to me, i am a deputy from dagestan, i will go with you and not a single dog will open its mouth, i guarantee you we will take it and take it where it is necessary, now now now regarding that, call 112 minute 59, firstly, all calls, even those not accepted, must and are required to be recorded, and i think here it is certainly necessary to figure out what is happening in the background and in general in general where and how why this call occurred, therefore i believe that... the key issue at this stage there should be a high-quality investigation, we will work together with you in this part so that the leadership from moscow will focus additional attention on this, in this part i believe that
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as a parliamentary control, of course we together, you as a public television format, i as a deputy of the state duma together with you will take control, we will go further, step by step i will cut, we will sort out this situation, it is possible. the order of work people who have been accustomed to following a certain order for years, if they they find themselves in such conditions where their document is taken away and they are sort of explained that now you will work and get the document, they
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obey, they seem to find themselves in such a state that yes, now they will work and then they will be released, this position of the victim, it is very scary, because it is precisely based on the position of the victim that all this lasts for some time, therefore if you find yourself... a situation where your passport is taken away , you are threatened, you are intimidated, you must understand that your task is not to tell anyone about your plans, to prepare yourself that you are all you will survive and that you do not need to get any passport, you are without, your task is to find a moment to move away from the place where you are, such a moment will present itself, no need to wait for a passport, please, that's how it is, just find a moment, it will come, but fight for yourself, yes, this is very correct advice, the most. well, we are following the development of this story, if you know anything about the whereabouts of aleksandraevich kuznetsov, you see on the screen, yes, once again, 170, dense
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build, clothes, blue t-shirt, start the video again last from vacation, let us know at the editorial office, that's all for today, take care of yourself and your loved ones, goodbye. hello, dear friends and comrades, your favorite program 60 minutes is on air live. about the most important. we start with urgent news from the front. fighters of the southern group of troops have liberated two more settlements. ostrae and grigorovka.
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