germany is also not enough that the post-nazi germany succeeded, so this is a whole world competition, but it requires unconditional time. let's put it this way for the east of ukraine, the process of bombing densification can take place there, in my opinion. this is my opinion there, and a few days there, or maybe a few weeks, because there was a connection with the russian world for a long time, uh, the center is more complicated here the west is a special case, but here, and we must draw a clear line, a clear position. here, just the policy is needed, the policy that should be proana unitolitarization of ukraine yes, mikhail yurievich proposed a mandatory conversation. uh, now i’ll again give the floor to tatyana and our colleagues who work in the center of moscow, a column of thousands of participants in the immortal regiment action in moscow is already on red square and again dmitry gordon joins us from there dmitry tell us what mood and participants are already at the very end of such a long route. the mood is certainly for everyone who goes in this immortal regiment along with

their portraits. eh, the ancestors of their heroes. uh, heroes of the great patriotic war it. well, i think you can still hear what is happening behind my back. it is really very festive, because victory day is really a great holiday. e, probably, of our entire country and of the whole world, and here, as, probably, nowhere else. it is possible to feel and feel it for sure, and no weather, no rain, which several times covered the center of the capital today, will not be able to. uh, thwart these people, not always. prevent us from doing our job and talking about how it all, and it happens, finally, all the same, over the center of the capital, the points gradually dissipate, and now the sun and more it is called joy on this day will bring us. well, as for the procession itself, of course, whole

families come here, and regardless of whether people are older and even elderly, or even very young, they go with their parents. this is, firstly, our motherland, our history. that is, and how hard it was achieved. victory, the children should know on your part, how to convey the maximum to children and the whole story, so that this does not happen again, i tell interestingly. after listening to the stories of some people with whom we have already managed to talk, it is really breathtaking, they talk about their ancestors, great-grandmothers, great- grandfathers, grandparents, uncle, aunt from all those who forged victory, both on the battlefield directly and in the rear, providing, among other things , front. and now we, uh, go live with you. uh, next to us are people who very literally tell about the exploits of their

ancestors that they accomplished remember important and you need your past your history. of course, all its participants agree on this, and this procession is, of course, trite. as they emphasize it may sound, but the fact remains, forgetting about your past about the future, you can probably forget too. you know, i went out today, it seemed to me there was no one. i live in the northern region, i was so offended. but when i came to the subway, and i saw young people and they were walking with portraits. i even cried they say congratulations. we are so glad to see you. i say, i'm glad to see you. and when i came here i think thank you, lord, that the people understand, no one is forgotten, we must not forget. you see the color behind my back is an endless stream of people in the present,

uniting the whole country. great day, and celebrations. uh, the moments are also given by the fact that this is the first full-time event in several years, what is the name of the event when people were still able to go out, uh, on the street and carry portraits in this immortal regiment, but they removed all the same, and covid restrictions , but including i recall that over the previous two years. still the immortal regiment. uh, took place, but took place in a digital format, and this year it was not canceled so that as many people as possible could have the opportunity to join this whole russian one. uh, actions, and by the way, like uh, the organizers are convinced, and all this memory should be preserved for many years to come. i don’t even have enough words to describe the importance of everything that these people have done, all

those who are in the portraits today. yes, here in all corners of the country and not only parties all over the world . that's because nazism of fascism simply does not must be, because we are all people and we are the only thing that should give each other. these are smiles, love, joy and creation only in this way. well , let's listen to just a few words of those who nevertheless made special efforts to organize this processor to organize in order for this immortal sex to take place, er, and a million. i think more than a million, that is, they predicted a million people, but it seems to me that we have already been standing here for a long time. uh, almost two hours of endless flow it goes on and on and on. it seems to me that the figure has already far exceeded the e, six digits of zero.

many are now asking, but no, in 10-20-30 there will be six and the immortal regiment. i answer. and this, firstly, depends on ourselves, and secondly, someone can imagine now immortal floor victory day without a photograph without portraits of the winners, i can’t imagine we will do everything that even those soldiers and officers, who have no relatives, who for some reason cannot , they will still go with us, because that like my grandfathers, they are still our family. the route must be said quite impressive 7 km must be passed along the entire length and come here. not only of course not only muscovites participate. not only guests of the capital of course , people from other and even distant regions of the potai, chelyabinsk, yekaterinburg, the far east, are also coming as guests of the capital , right now they are standing right here, from there. uh, people and the route runs, as you all know,

probably along, uh, leningradsky prospekt, which in the future, it crosses into tverskaya street and further along first tverskaya yamskaya street through okhotny ryad street to manezhnaya street and here to red square from here. they are already leaving us, but to call it e, the final point, probably, the language will not turn, because we see how it is still going on directly on the bolshoy moskvoretsky bridge. this six continues immortal regiment dmitry thank you for direct communication was dmitry horn observed. procession of the immortal regiment on red square and we continue our reporting for the procession of the immortal regiment is also being watched by my colleague andrey shlyapnikov. he is in direct contact with us andrey hello. again. tell us where you are and what's going on? yes, colleagues, i welcome you, but now, and an hour and a half ago, i left here. first column. ah, and many have already

finished their procession on red square, and here, uh, near the belorusskaya metro station, people continue to stay. i look at a lot, and people who go from the dynamo metro, but in general, this is the very beginning of another journey, so what about the immortal regiment today it is endless and everything, but they go with portraits of their own. uh dinushah. uh, about the grandmothers of the grandmothers of the fathers of the mothers, and the portraits are rushing, they come with the children. look what little kids yes come, so that they also continue, what to carry the memory, and those who brought us. uh, how i sinned the people who committed, but a feat, and i also decided

not to break the tradition, because 2 years of the immortal regiment went online and uh, today i also go with my pradin kolodin petr alexandrovich to your leningrad front, which received a heavy wound near peterhof. and after a long treatment, doctors forbade him to return to the front for health reasons. well, he worked day and night and worked at night, and in the rear he worked for a common victory. well , look, uh. today, of course, the incredible atmosphere is a song of the war years, people are in a good mood, despite the fact that the weather today is quite extreme, today there is snow and rain and wind, but this does not stop people. everyone has their own history on their great-grandfather. grandparents, and they want to

share this story with the whole country, and today we are giving them such an opportunity. let's listen to what people say about their heroes, they were really looking forward to this day, therefore, almost all those who died from your lives from our motherland came here, our freedom for our happiness, which we now live on about the third of my food. all four grandfathers fought with me and on my mother's side on my father's side. and in fact, my pechenkina and my mother vasilyeva, but i have yakov ivanovich pechenkin, he participated in all the battles. he also received an order, and for military merit he destroyed a whole battery, artillery. here, well, it went rough speaking, all this war will progenit ours. yes hero of the soviet union sverdlikov. georgy ivanovich, he died in khaltsikhe, well, he won the star of the hero , they staged a grand prix he stood the battle and gave him the star of the hero for that. pass is

those who heard the song of the war years. just amazing atmosphere but also the people, like the movement. all conditions are created here. look here you can take water as well and you can eat. uh, soldier, kitchens work here as porridge. so people without water without porridge will not be left with delicious gas. yes, thank you. you see, in general, the organization is also very high level, and, of course, the most important thing is that we communicate with people, everyone is happy that it has finally resumed, that so, as an athlete of your great-grandfather, you can walk along the main street of moscow to reach red square, and thereby

pay tribute to the memory . uh, in our hero and, of course , the hero of your family. today there are a lot of stories , a lot of touching stories, someone's grandfather or great-grandfather died. yes, someone, someone reached the end of the war and became heroes, many heroes of the soviet union well, we continue to follow the situation near the belorusskaya metro station, again, i’ll say, people continue to continue, but come up, uh, to participate as an expert? andrey thank you andrey shlyapnikov told how the procession of the immortal regiment is going on, and we are working in our studio at the museum of victory on poklonnaya hill together with historians yuryevich myaggov, he is commenting with us on the action of the immortal regiment yuriy you and i, before the live broadcast, started talking about

about how one identification went after world war ii . and tell me, it seems to me that this is important. very theme, it is so cross-cutting and there are many parallels. e, how do you think this process was successful, but did you manage to complete it and did you manage to complete it? unfortunately. no, this is especially true of west germany, that is, germany, where there are a lot of people who were messed up. that this nazi ideology and nazi crimes eventually ended up in the authorities and more successfully the german democratic republic of the gdr, that is, our zone of occupation. well, there were separate manifestations. and we know about it. and here's what i would like to say that what it includes and should have included in the definition in all cases is that any elimination of financing by the oligarchs, whether big or small. uh, directly to party structures, including underground ones, including the nazi ideology, after all, it came to ridiculous, when, for example, american troops, uh, entered the

western zone of germany with their occupation, and often, let’s say, german officers came out to meet these troops financiers bankers, uh, who said, well, we dealt with you before the war. why don't we continue this business? yes, and in spite of everything, well, you are stained with blood, u, you financed the nazi party, nazi ideology, nazi weapons. well, what's the difference? we are of the same blood, we are the western world. we are europeans. right now, it didn’t reach them, neither the americans, nor these bankers, that they are, in fact, criminals, and here is another very important point here. or is it clearly traced that after all, the nazi ideology in the german army. i mean, not just, well, the entire military. it penetrated not only the ss units of the gestapa, but it also penetrated the wehrmacht, including they appeared there in forty-three years later. the so -called national socialist officers who introduced this nazi ideology among ordinary soldiers. and there, too, everything was

cultured, it’s impossible to say today, as some historians, american germans say that there was an ss, there was a destapa, but there was vermah usually vermah, which, well, actually did not complete anything and did a lot of things along with the sketch parts, of course. today, too, in ukraine, we see that it is not only, say, bandera, these territorial national battalions are committing crimes on the part of the armed forces. this is where the ideology came in. and there the process of genocification was supposed to end and go directly to post-war germany in this regard. and here today in ukraine the same thing. it will also be necessary to exclude any influence nazi ideology on the armed forces. uh, this is a task and without fulfillment, which well they will any attempt at identification will be drawn to the right, as for the figure from stepan bandera uh could tell more about him. e. i think that many of our viewers. eh, it will be interesting to listen and understand these are the origins and the sprouts

of bandera, yes, which we often talk about now. eh, how did it happen? and in general, what kind of person was this person. uh, well, very sinister let's say. that's what he calls himself, brought up by that he was preparing for a future terrorist act and crimes. if we assume, enough drove yourself. uh, nails, under the nails. you can imagine what the razmatic behavior of a person reached, but he was flesh from flesh. here is this ukrainian trace, ukrainian, which began to develop in galicia, that is, when the territory of austria-hungary was still in the middle of the 19th century. that's when it appeared. only the ideology is that ukraine is not russia, but that muscovites live there in the east. they are an inferior race, they must be deprived of their right to be called, in general, russia it's us in galicia, here rus' and here, kievan rus , it was born, including this one, too, these odinologies passed. eh, they were different, let's say, but the authors. uh, well, the result is the same mechanism and

the same, either it’s austria-hungary, or it’s the poles who lived on the territory of austria-hungary, who benefited from the cultivation of this ukrainian nationalism, then the germans came, and for whom bandera was already the tool with which they wanted to restore nazi order and not only in ukraine in general on the territory of the soviet union, they took it into circulation. that is, it was financed by bandera ukrainian nationalism, then on the part of the germans, and here they gave weapons, that’s machine guns, and in the end, because the lviv massacre was already on june 30, 1941. these are the same ones. which was formed from bandera, who came to kill and it was for the germans. let's move back to the center of moscow and i pass the word to our colleagues tatyana hello now my colleague alexander nazarova is working on red square she communicates with the bones, which are participating in

the action immortal regiment alexander hello again. well, tell us who joins the campaign, what are your impressions and emotions with the holiday. congratulations on the great victory day once again on the seventy- seventh anniversary of the victory in the great patriotic war. we are working on red square in the very heart of our capital, as i have already said. and you know hundreds of thousands of people are walking behind me and despite the fact that the weather is constantly changing. now the sun is out again, and during our previous inclusion, but even when it rains windy, it feels like you only strengthen the spirit of people, and many today fulfill the dream of their relatives of the heroes of the great patriotic war, because many front-line soldiers who could not return from the front dreamed though i would like to walk along the cobblestones of red square once, and

take part in the solemn parade. so today their descendants, great-grandchildren, grandchildren, finally fulfill this dream. this feature is symbolic 330 m long, 75 m wide. they are all busy. no, neither one free centimeter. let me briefly talk about where we are. we are working on the right stand next to the spasskaya tower. here is the historical clock, the kremlin chimes. and we can tell you exactly to the minute how long the action of memory of the immortal regiment has been going on for almost now, and for 2 hours the number of people on the right platform is not getting smaller. it is clear that in the morning there were many veterans of them, accompanying guests now remain, and who are happy to watch the procession and sing songs, all these songs have one motive front-line motive of the song of the war years people. with our memories of emotions, sometimes we hear a military loud greeting. hooray, i remind you that for the

last 2 years the action has been held in an online format due to coronavirus restrictions, and in 2019 a record number of people took part in it in an offline format, about 10 million people across russia. and today, uh, there are a lot of people, there are a lot of people, everyone is in a great mood and people come up to us and share their emotions, stories, but, and our main task is to convey to you this atmosphere of the holiday joy and happiness of pride in their country, because we have one of the best points to inform you colleagues tatyana yuri i am alexander nazarova was now with us on red square. and here we are already, according to the first calculation, hundreds of thousands of people. uh, now there is a count of people in the immortal regiment action, my colleague alexandra suvorova, together with the film crew

, is working on the roof of the hotel. and the national, alexandra, hello again how is the situation. greetings well the situation lately. she is only good after the word is heating up the point is that the number of people who take part in the immortal regiment promotions. it is really huge . the fact is that we work here ourselves in the mornings. and around 2:00 in the afternoon, people began to gather in the middle of tverskaya street in order to start the movement of the most free regiment and at 15:00 the action started. and that's all this time. now already 17 stream. this river is really made of people. it seems to me that this comparison comes to mind to all my colleagues, really insane human current, it goes, without stopping this year, the route from the belorussky railway station to red square is 7 km, and people who want to take part in this action. they arrive at dynamo belorusskaya and mayakovskaya metro stations and then they follow this path.

throughout all seven kilometers there are field kitchens where people can eat and drink water, and there will also be volunteers. i already pointed them out behind my back, people in blue uniforms, they are ready to come to the rescue if something happens to those who take part in the axel, and when you stand at the top and see the scale of what is happening, and immediately the first thought comes, but it, of course, is a feeling of patriotism and pride, because so many people who remember their relatives and friends who, uh, fought for their country, are fighting for it. they are gathered now. here, in the very center of the capital of our motherland, moreover, people walk not only with portraits of their relatives, but also carry the flags of the russian federation. at the same time, they do not walk quietly. we can hear it now. they chant either hooray or russia and that's it for throughout this period of time, these exclamations do not

stop. moreover, you can see that initially, and the action itself was moving quite quickly and the floor was moving quickly now for several. there was a movement because the number of people. i think those wishing to visit just red square and look around. it is, of course, large and because of this now. here, we also hear how the people who are organizing the whole process are urging people to go faster and really. right now in the center of tverskaya i look there. uh, the number of those who takes part in the immortal regiment. it doesn't decrease. it really increases and people continue to go here this route, which goes just along tverskaya on red square, was also done today by the participants in the parade. i remind you that traditionally usually consists of three parts. at the beginning, 11,000 soldiers took part in 33 ceremonial calculations, which marched along red square, then already here in the very early morning at 6-7

o’clock, equipment began to gather, which then later proceeded to the second part of the parade also on red square 131 units. and it was headed by the legendary t-34 tank, but, unfortunately, due to weather conditions, it stopped just a couple of minutes before the start of the apparatus. it is known that, perhaps, one of the most spectacular and perhaps one of the most long-awaited for muscovites. and of course, for the inhabitants of our country, this is the aviation unit. the parade will not take place, but indeed today the weather is extremely, emotionally changeable, sometimes the sun is shining bright, as it is now, sometimes it is raining very heavily, but this does not affect those events in any way, which are planned today and certainly in the mood that those people who take part in the immortal regiments action have today, because the movement really continues and continues. colleagues, i give you the floor on poklonnaya gora. alexander thanks for direct communication was my colleague alexander suvorova ah. we are in the hall of fame of the victory museum yui

bogdanov, who is working with the historian mikhail yuryevich myaggov yura, over to you. yes. we continue the conversation of mikheyrivich. i think it's time for us to move on to the part that concerns post-war world order. we are undoubtedly now witnessing, uh, a crisis uh of this world order. why do you think it is happening and if the way out of this situation, well, after the war is peaceful, as it began to take shape during the second world war during the tehran yalta protestant conference, and the san francisco conference on education. he is the soviet union here. i played a decisive role. and we, together with the united states of america, great britain, france, china, constituted precisely the security councils of permanent members, which e for decades after the war. well, let's just say that before the collapse of the soviet union, there were indisputable international organizations that helped in many ways. to save peace not only in europe, but in general, but on the planet after the second world war. well, it’s

not known what would have been yes, if it hadn’t been, that’s how they would have been decided, where, in the end, those controversial issues were discussed right there on the site. today, the west refuses this and the united states does not need it anymore. he is now them they believe that this is holding back their political and gogolmanist military ambitions, including, uh, we are talking about the fact that today russia has reiterated that there can be no unipolar, there is a multi-colored world. uh, the east has a smell, there are asian countries, african and uh, latin american countries are russia in the end and you can’t ignore their opinions, otherwise this humanistic world, where there is one leader, he will eventually bring our planetary tube. it's always been that way , and uh, what can we say about it as soon as we this was announced as soon as we began to strengthen our positions and the economy of our armed forces immediately went to us on the map. that is, their roll. political and economic, and, of course, informational, is going on today, well, the most cruel

information war against modern russia, uh, fake news, which is dropped on the heads of millions every day, well, the world community and russians in particular, but it should be noted that despite this is our people, like never before since the great patriotic war. we we are seeing today unprecedented and unique for the russian people. and no matter what happens there, no matter how the international security agencies, which were created after the second world war, are torpedoed today. well, yes, they want it, but nevertheless, the world public opinion, including chinese indian, will support the preservation of this organization together with us, because this is a platform where we can negotiate and talk with each other. can we agree on this question now? actively discussed requires e reforming the sambeza. he, including such issues have long been discussed, has repeatedly participated in the round table conf. dedicated to this issue, well, so far no one better than he has come up with any

reformulation. it must be accepted by all members. united nations, any deviation here from what has already developed is fraught. maybe very dire consequences. eh, he remains oka and they could n’t come up with anything better. this is a platform where we can, and in extreme cases, discuss those issues where tete-a-tete do not even do it. this is a unique thing that was created, it was much stronger than the league of nations that was created after in after the first world war. here is the right of the century. that's right. veto it guarantees, among other things, that mm. well, for example, uh, modern russia no one dares to humiliate just like that and throw it out of the political arena. this cannot be without russia, of course, it will not exist. and uh. we must clearly understand this, and russia always clearly advocates that the organization the united nations and the security council have risen, at least as they exist today, in my opinion. do i need yalta 2 and uh,

how could it look like? who can become a member? you know, a few years ago we could have answered, including, yes, perhaps we will reform this one. we look in what world lives. where is the point? today well the western world that is trying to take over. eh, let's say the last one. revenge for not becoming a geemon, and er, current conditions to say. i think so, elki 2 it's better not to and not to, because we run the risk of completely collapsing this system, which still remains after the second world war. and then the consequences will be unpredictable, by the way, speaking for the same western world for the united states of america. they simply do not understand what they are doing. they love or saw the soup they are watching. what conclusions can be drawn from the history of the xx century, m. e, if this is how it is briefly summarized, and the xx century. it's very difficult and progress. with humanity, this is flight into space, this is both takeoffs and culture, uh art, and, of course, unprecedented

advances in technology at the same time, these are two world wars, uh, in which 20 million people died in world war i, more than 75 million people died in world war ii, according to various estimates. and what are the consequences of this war? how many fell ill, how many later died from wounds, and uh, we must not forget this, because the next war is between the great powers, especially if it becomes nuclear, and it will be deadly for the whole world. and like einstein said i don't know how uh, how by what means, and weapons will fight there in the third world war, and various powers, but the fourth world war will fight with stones and sticks, so we must not allow war. the main conclusions from the twentieth century world war we must not admit to keep the peace, but for this. we must be clear. set aside your interests, because any world. what would he not be without russia, he