it was precisely the departure of western players from the russian market that the situation with the outflow of specialists from it-cast after february 24, of course, turned out to be very difficult, although more sober and already balanced estimates show, uh, quite a high heterogeneity. as it turned out, there most of all, of course, are already people who worked in this way not for russian customers, not for the russian economy. they were also employees of a foreign company. these were companies that were engaged in short programming themselves, and there really were big numbers, but let's say so on our economy of direct influence. probably , this didn’t have much in the moment, as far as, but russian companies of russian developers. uh, specifically resident participants. of course, this also affected me, but the numbers were essentially dramatic for me. that's just the country's largest innovation center. skolkovo can perhaps be considered the most accurate barometer measuring the situation in russian it, and here, on the one hand, one cannot say that skolkovo was not noticed at all. no change in the market, but on the other hand

exactly also, it cannot be said that these changes have somehow drastically affected the activity of the innovation platform. skolkovo was initially focused primarily on growing russian startups, and as konstantin parshin, the executive director of the it cluster, says, there is no mass outflow of personnel or companies in this segment. there is no more than the number of applications from startups that want to become residents. skolkovo nou only increased and there were high-profile international partners, global it giants, who left the russian market here, probably how much he is no exception. uh, western companies that turned off their activities in russia, they naturally turned people off and it was boring, but from the point of view of our industrial russian partners. so far, we have not seen any significant changes in their plans in their strategy. and in terms of startups , our largest, probably, audience of 3,300 companies today, and plus

russian participants, among which more than half are actually not moscow companies regional companies. well, we can't say for a percentage right now. we've just completed reporting, but it's coming soon. well, some single percentages of the company, which one way or another decided to stop their activities or completely relocate to other countries. pavel frolov, the founder of an educational startup that started its journey in pskov, frolov says that the history of sorts for specialists has passed by his company, all staff members are in place, as for the so-called relocations, that is relocation of russian offices to other jurisdictions, according to the entrepreneur, in addition to global corporations, a small part of russian companies, whose products are focused on western markets, took this step due to sanctions pressure. such relocations make business decisions when the share of russian sales is small, there are a large number of companies with russian roots. in

which the volume of the russian market in general, during business does not exceed one percent before. how they acted with them abroad. there was a sales office there was a development office in russia, and now these development offices are starting to move. apparently , simply in order to remove some country risks for business from the point of view of risks, there are losses of the russian market. many companies don't consider this significant because, well, losing 1% of sales. but here's the statistical error. over the past few years, pavel frolov's startup has grown significantly and is now operating in 27 countries. in total, 100,000 children from 5 to 15 years old learn the basics of engineering and robotics on its platform. it cannot be said that due to sanctions pressure, the startup curtailed its international expansion, but in some jurisdictions rob started having difficulties simply because the company is from russia. well,

i would not say that we are focused purely on the russian market. it’s just that our position is that our headquarters is located in russia, we are residents of skolkovo and, accordingly, we will continue to be headquartered in russia, while we have a developed network of branches, someone works with us under a franchise agreement. somewhere. we have our own offices. there, if we talk about our own offices, these are our own offices located in finland, china and japan, respectively, our main focus now is on the development of a foreign office - this is our chinese office. with and finland in japan there were very dense uh projects of the project of close cooperation with state institutions. hmm. and, accordingly, there was state funding for these projects. now stopped both in finland and in japan from russia well, no explanation reasons, well you can guess. why watch

the segment of western companies, the segment of the so-called offshore programming, that is, custom development for foreign companies. and he, although shrinking in recent years, but nonetheless. he was pretty big. it's hard for me to estimate percentages. this is probably where you need to ask for a number. which? well, let's say there are 20%, let's say, development segments, or there, maybe 15 hmm well, look, they didn't work for the country like that. they worked for other states, therefore, from this point of view, for the country hasn't changed at all. this is the first consideration. and the second consideration is that people are not pawns. they cannot be taken. that's how to translate like that's pouring into a bag, yes, and to translate from place to place to people. they have their own will. i can say that when we have, uh, here's the information guide moved from the office at 905 to the office right here on aminevskoe highway, then we lost 15% of the staff, as we said above in recent

years, the growing russian it-otters experienced a constant staff shortage and in this sense the other side of the departure of western players from the market was the opportunity for russian companies, as they say in the it industry, to hunt, that is, to lure top specialists who did not want to move. at the same time, one must understand that about a third to a half of the employees of foreign offices do not leave anywhere. they remain on the market and work on the russian market. and here is a difficult question. yes? so you have parents? parents can get sick. do you have children going to school. well, and so on. that is, in this case, the question of relocation he is complicated. well, it's a complex story. and uh. hmm. and there are a lot of high-profile exits, like jet brains. ah, a significant part of the staff. jane brains, they are now on the st. petersburg market. that is, they are snapped up by other companies, that is, from this point of view

, quite a lot of free specialists have appeared on the market. dmitry komissarov founder and development director of the company. my office, which produces russian software for working with documents and spreadsheets, in other words, this is a russian competitor microsoft office at the end of last year, komissarov's share in its segment of the russian market was in the range of 7-10%. and we can assume that this year due to the active import of replacement. this figure will grow significantly, as for the personnel situation, despite a noticeable outflow in the first half of the year, the campaign will significantly increase the staff of 600 to 800 employees. i would say that to our company. it's probably five or six percent of people, uh, well, some left some. e. well, here it is necessary just share that some of the people who left continue to work for the same russian employer. many of us continue. the fact is that the fact that a person went to yerevan. before that, he was

in prison for a year and a half, but from akavit. uh, hmm restrictions somewhere in i don't know in the city of bugulma it 's actually not a very big difference in terms of. the company where the programmer anton kazistov worked until march develops software for the swedish telecommunications corporation almost immediately after the imposition of sanctions, the customer demanded to bring the development office from russia, at first there was information that this was not for long, but after a long time they blocked access to the russian office, and the employees announced reactions to serbia already on an ongoing basis, and the customer informed our management that, but the need to travel from another country, that is any country other than russia. so, accordingly , there were no alternatives. that is, either it was necessary to agree to the location, while our company

had a serbian office. well, this meant dismissal from the current company in russia, that is, the device serbia, if we give consent to the location, then it implies something one end. that is , a decision had to be made. if you refuse, then you must. either to look for some vacancies within the company in other projects, or already outside the company, respectively, anton did not want to come, and there was no vacancy within other russian divisions of the companies. he says that in the end, only a small part of the employees decided to move to serbia, that is, definitely more than 50 people were in the project. uh, and that's in my mind i agreed, there are 20 percent of a new place. anton found quickly enough. now he works for astralius, a major russian operating system developer. ilya sivtsev, ceo of the company, says that, like everything else in our market , astra has experienced a shortage of personnel in recent years, and

the changes that are taking place in the industry now have a chance to significantly strengthen the team. we have, uh, introduced such a notion that all flights in a company are made at the decision of the local level of managers, that is, in isolation from the budget. everybody decisions on hiring new staff are also made . they are also out of budget. well, that is, it does not correspond to the budget for several months, for example, well, within the framework of decision-making, it’s not scary. the main thing now is to keep people. the main thing is to hire the stars who entered the market, who were left without work. the main thing against the backdrop of this big redone was to make a team that can really give the same level. uh, there is interaction with the client, which was given by the coolest western vendors known all over the world, to which the market paid and pays 150 billion dollars a year there, such as microsoft there. yes? well, ibm and so on, we would most likely not have persuaded these specialists to come to us, or let's say, these

specialists would have completely different price tags, or we simply would not have found them, we would not have seen them, that is, this is certainly a window of opportunity that has opened , and we believe that we are directly using this window of opportunity. and as it were, this is also cool, because many people like it. opportunities wake up, and we have a team increased greatly. a significant part of the specialists who left russia in the past few months worked for a western company, which simply moved russian offices to other states, as a rule, neighboring countries in this regard, some kind of massive outflow of personnel. here you did not notice at the pole. the fact is that most of the companies of residents of the special economic zone are one way or another oriented to the domestic market

. not far from kazan, there is a university and a special economic zone, which includes two technoparks, two more are on the way, becoming their residents. technological companies receive tax incentives and the opportunity to use the entire infrastructure of the technopark. we are walking with the general director of the special economic zone , renat. he says that despite all the changes in the russian plans for the development of napolis have not been revised, i understand that the occupancy e since the beginning of march since the end of february has not changed. e, was a slight drop of about 5%. but now we have due to the fact that there are companies that are expanding, these are just those who you are, just replacements, we have compensated for this. that is, we returned to the original figures, which should have been said that it is, in principle, one of the most mobile sectors of the economy in terms of migration

. we considered the possibility of working abroad. he is in russia dealt with this in the first place. we are now already a donor country and have been a donor side for many other countries precisely for these specialists. there went this emotional mass outflow for russian theatricalization. i think it was. hmm, significant enough. but speaking of anopolis. eh, we practically didn't feel it, because basically we have russian companies 97% of 330 companies. these are russian companies. we initially had a focus on russian developers and a measure of support, which we, as we are providing a special economic zone. they just, well, the idea was that they would be aimed at stimulating the growth of the russian industry, which means our domestic developers, so we practically did not feel it ourselves, but there was an outflow of less than one and a half percent.

ah, for the company. so half of this is foreign companies, which cannot even be called current, we are in an active dialogue with the company in order to understand the situation with migration, the second we see that companies are increasing set of specialists. here you are on the policy. we see that and you are on the field of lead free housing. the first well-known russian company intends to transfer its main development center to another country. nevertheless, here, a will continue to increase, and output will continue to increase. uh, attracting these specialists in order to keep production facilities here, but key specialists will be exported to, uh, another state. uh, if there is such a thing and vice versa, when, for example, a foreign company, which, due to sanctions under pressure, and the administrations of certain countries were forced to

announce a decrease in interaction with russian customers, nevertheless, retaining the entire development team does not take it out, the brand changes and the company continues to work. market participants with whom we spoke in preparing this material observe another interesting trend of those it specialists who left the country in february-march returned back at least 30-40%. such emotional decisions they diminished, because there was also feedback from those who moved. there, too, as if not everything is as simple as it seemed to people. yes, because people also encountered negativity when they moved to a particular country and with difficulties in search of real estate there and with employment. that is, it is actually a relatively inflated story that it is easy and at the snap of a finger you can move there in a day, find a job, arrange housing for children in a kindergarten, and so on. it's not so easy a lot of bureaucratic issues clearance resolution is

and the like here but at the same time, again, from those with whom we talked, guys. many have tried, so they realized that immigration is not tourism. these are different things. we are at the pole and in the market as a whole, i see that the percentage of those returning is increasing residents of napolis, the founder of the online training service with a personal instructor, evgeny glazunov, left in early march against the backdrop of a general panic that reigned and so on in the russian sea market. at the same time, it should be emphasized that kazunov initially considered his departure as a temporary measure just to reassure investors first place. that will close everything. we must leave completely, no matter how we think that there is some kind of problem with this. it was friday there, in my opinion, the twenty- fifth of february, here on tuesday, in three four days there are the following places. you know what to call tells what to have? we will once again talk to the fonder and say that nothing terrible will happen, no matter how they work, it does not affect. and,

in my opinion, on thursday morning, a third investor already called, and not from russia no, because he straight inf. that's how you have to live, everything will be closed here, with her husband, as it were, when and the third place, well, well, and unfortunately it coincided. with all this hysteria there is the beginning of march. well, we bought tickets. which within 24 hours left? ah, we went to turkey why exactly to turkey, just here, well, where there were normal tickets, where there was normal housing, we just tracked it down, we immediately said we didn’t know how far we would go, maybe for a week. and maybe there for two, maybe for a month of some kind, well, understanding that we are leaving there for years everything, goodbye. we had that no. this is some kind of temporary solution, rather to calm certain people, the most conditional migration of casanova and his startup partner. in the end, it ended pretty quickly. it seems to me that through uh, my first colleague returned, and my second business partner. he

said, okay, everything, like, as if everyone respected, it's time to go to a normal place with a new one to work from there. where is it comfortable to work? and i think after three weeks i returned to so that i somehow a little bit with tourism put it all together. a big role is that the personnel situation in the russian it-sphere has at least stabilized, and almost all of those interviewed by us speak about this. market participants have taken significant measures to support the industry from the state, these measures can be conditionally divided into two parts. the first part concerns directly the employees of the it company here, including preferential mortgages and deferment from the army, if we talk about deferment from the army. it's already now, uh, spring is coming, the call is already now for min numbers through the portal public services. uh, we have compiled lists of those employees who u can apply for deferment from the army, these lists have already been transferred to the

ministry of defense, the reason for the deferral is work in an accredited company, such companies are now more than 25,000. this is the first, second. this is a specialized education. and these are the basic requirements. well, the fact that he works in this company. e, not less than in this or any other accredited company for at least 11 months. or got a job right after high school well perhaps the most important measure in the long run is support for russian specialists. this is a subsidized mortgage program, which started operating on june 1. the conditions are also very simple, up to 5% subsidized mortgages. but now we, uh, already see that banks are also ready to compete for a client. and now a number of banks are already saying that they will even issue mortgages in the region of four percent. well, let's see how the program will develop further, only for this preferential mortgage has just been launched. hmm, up to 18 million rubles. limit if uh hmm the borrower and his company

is located uh, where he works is in a city of millionaires and up to 12 million rubles. in all other cases, respectively, the level of wages, and 150,000 rubles. the limit should, well, no less. yes, again, these are cities with a population of over a million and 100,000 rubles. in all other settlements of russia the second part of the no it-industry is aimed at the corporate sector. in particular , russian it companies will receive serious tax benefits and will be exempted from inspection. the law on income tax reduction is already coming uh for an it company to zero, that is, the income tax is already being zeroed, and we expect that in the near future a law will be adopted that, uh, expands the circle of recipients of tax benefits, we are talking about income tax and insurance premiums for payroll funds. this is the first second e it-company, and may qualify for

financial support measures. ah. these are soft loans. these are grants. in addition, if we talk about non- financial support measures, then the government decided that all checks of these companies are not carried out, that is, a moratorium is introduced on inspections so that it companies can engage in their core activities, namely, develop. uh the best domestic. uh, the decision to implement them. e in the industry in production. the deficit in the russian industry actually existed until february 24, and there are objective reasons for such a demand, first of all for developers, firstly, digitalization has reached absolutely all spheres of the economy. secondly, russian companies competed for specialists with global it giants, who have in our country there were large offices.

and thirdly, the same migration of it specialists russia in terms of personnel for the global market, the country is home, all this is natural. the age has led to a salary race, which for developers of the first stage of the so-called juniors starts from 150,000 rubles. second stage programmer. the so-called middle earns an average of 300-500.000 per month. well, the income of a top developer. the so-called senior russian it-markets from half a million and without a ceiling, when a person enters the market with him there are 30 offers at once. he stops going to the interview, he starts saying i will come to the interview for money or there pay me a salary by velcom and there were a huge number of such situations last year, although for me they are. well , just nonsense. that is, in my opinion. this is downright nonsense. at the moment, this is not felt, so it seems to me that the market has thrown a little, e specialists. uh, from there western

companies. plus, probably, there was an easy optimization throughout the market of industrial enterprises, some small abbreviations is, well, in the moment i created such a picture. different eras different rulers the force wanted to deceive fate with you, you can’t deceive the wave, only power is one great country people.

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