now i again give the floor to anastasia yefimova and her guests. yes, vera, we continue to work here at the st. petersburg international economic forum and now i have guests who, perhaps, need no introduction vladimir alekseevich chizhov hello, i am very glad to welcome you, it is a great honor for us to have the opportunity to ask you questions, and the new world is new opportunities so formulated, the main central theme of the forum this year. do you think this means that the old possibilities have finally exhausted the possibilities that are above all? well, of course, one way or another they were oriented towards the western world in the most global sense. well, with the old world, one way or another, we still

have to have. how's the deal throughout. i think a fairly long period, including with europe, because even after six packages of sanctions, and europe as it may not sound, it may be, but strange in the current conditions, remains our largest, and the trading economic partner for export to the european union grew in the first quarter more, than twice. and much to the dismay of our former partners in the european union, and not only. what do you think about this situation, in which one thing is declared at the highest european, including the stands, and something completely different happens in the real economy; moreover, there is a feeling that you know , these are multidirectional vectors, political and economic. how long can it last before, well, just the explosive situation will remain, including in europe. well, to begin with, our

conscience. we warned them that, but we did not foresee such, uh, sanctions frenzy that they would have problems, uh, related to those strategic mistakes that they have made in recent years, but they made it about it. we spoke quite openly. but, nevertheless, with a tenacity worthy of a better use, they sawed the soup on which they sat and continues and today they declare that this is in order to overcome the energy crisis. we need to invest even more money in green energy in renewable energy sources, as if, if e in uh, invest in these windmills, and another trillion euros. uh, the wind will be stronger, and the solar panels that the

sun will shine brighter than this will not happen. and so this crisis is for a long time, when, uh, i hope we sort out our bilateral business with them. they still have problems. what do you think europe this is something really the same sanctions frenzy that does not allow you to see the real state of affairs in your country. we are not talking about some global processes, but here, under their noses, when the germans they say that there i don’t know, you don’t have to be too big a fan of the shower, you know, and turn on the stove too often? yes, but i think that the sanction frenzy is, by and large, of course, an artificial matter. uh, driven by desire. e to find, so to speak, e to whom to blame those problems that they somehow arose that

it all started not in february of this year and not even in the fourteenth year. she's much earlier . quite obviously. here, uh, i remind you, 2009, and the european union took a landmark step in its becoming. this is the lisbon treaty. and uh, as a matter of fact. and it was a step along the way. e, so to speak e of the centralization of the european union as a result of what? uh, the general yessian bodies in the first place, the european commission, not elected by anyone, began to dictate terms. life in member countries is, in fact. uh, they forced the eu member state to abandon the practice of long-term contracts, but energy supplies from russia are not only from russia, but mainly from russia, so, they say, it means, uh,

the invisible hand of the market, as you remember in the nineties years. yes, that led e to those, uh, multiple prices, e not in percentages at times, but in cost, but for the end consumer this is only one side of the same thing. look at what happened with the pandemic with vaccines, so let's go, here we are all together now. so what, how things got to, uh, really real cases, so everything in different directions was really obvious to everyone in recent years, and when they accepted a european family, let's say relatives of not the most materially wealthy, not the most well-born from the point of view, so say old europe well it was obvious that this was a time bomb , that these contradictions, of course, would make themselves known economic first of all. and now we are already seeing this situation, we are seeing problems with hungary, which refuses to march in the unified

system under sanctions here. and we understand that for sure these problems will only worsen, taking into account the economic situation, in your opinion, the centrifugal or the center of the swift forces in the european union will still win, well, who will win? as they say, i will not guess, i have another profession. if you look at how the european union developed, somewhere at the very beginning of this century, the european union faced a dilemma. well, he was at a crossroads, you can say go, as they say, in breadth or depth, but won from the point of view of the louse and to a large extent due to the fact that the main advocate of this trend was the uk, which has since washed its hands and left the european union entered the european union and

looking ahead, i will say that now the european union has to think. it is possible to impose sanctions against the uk, but they don’t know how to do anything else means of persuasion no, well, here, uh, and instead of deepening european integration. they followed the path of expansion in 2004, plus 10 countries, then added 3 more. well, the topic is over. today they have hungary, have poland, have an angel that came out. after all, they still have ukraine that promises either membership or candidacy for membership. that is, if there seems to be less talk about joining the date, then somehow all this endless discussion continues with the european union. here he comes running georgia that speaks. no, excuse me, please, we stood in this line earlier and we, in fact , love ukraine very much, but, nevertheless, the european union is stronger and really want to go there, but here, how to

be. what to do with the fact that, like, under the auspices of ukraine, all these endless sanctions are being introduced and the suk on which the european union sits is sawn, but in general, but to take ukraine to itself, but this is probably too much, i will say this membership to ukraine in the foreseeable future, no one promises for the sake of objectivity, and even then not all promise status candidate. so, uh, the european commission also promised, uh, the president of the european commission, ursula von der lein , precisely for this purpose, and last saturday she went to kiev to discuss it. only eto didn’t go at its best this time, but how much you can watch the same black mice. the european commission, 17, that is,

the day after tomorrow must give its opinion, that is, intoxication on this is called an opinion. well, as far as i know the situation inside the european commission, there is also there and it's boring, but i think that they will still give it, but this does not anticipate the result and the decision is appropriate member countries. why such a rush, because already on june 23-24 the next eu summit was switched on, where the leaders already have to say something. that is, in fact, this is the european commission, which, as i said, will not be an elected body. uh, in general, imposing a point of view with a strange member. despite the fact that the european union is not a super- federation, for now, thank god, will it be possible to impose on god, again, taking into account the same nerves

, georgia was mentioned yes absolutely, but georgians may be more emotional due to natural most loudly speaking, but there are still countries in the western balkans that stand much longer, but there is also a country that is silent on this subject, but has had candidate status since 2005. this is turkey and it's not very clear, in fact, in the current situation, how it will behave. i think that just in turkey more or less. it is clear they are their enthusiasm for joining the european union, it has been minimized to date. that is, they may be ready to transfer the status of a candidate to someone. uh, well, the status of the candidate, he's also nothing guarantees, but does not oblige to anything, it obliges candidates, and the european union does nothing, but the european union. please tell me like a diplomat. eh,

is there still space in the european union for our dialogue with the europeans? here we talk a lot about the fact that the st. petersburg international economic forums are a discussion and dialogue platform , an opportunity to speak directly in europe . none of the european union did not come. well, do not count me. you are ours. and i know, of course, this is a characteristic confirmation. although i will remind you that, for example, in the sixteenth year he came here, and the chairman of the then european commission, jean-claude juncker, and he had long lengthy negotiations with our president. he spoke at the plenary session. that is, while it was already after 2014, when we already had

freezes, which before that were held twice a year and, uh, of various kinds, here are sectoral ideologies, but nevertheless, what arose space for dialogue. now it is, well, almost closed. naturally. i have my employees have some episodic contacts and that. in general with us. apparently, they are afraid to maintain a dialogue. for some reason, i’m not even talking about the fact that in an anti-russian frenzy, a group of my employees were announced by novgorod people, this russophobic frenzy that is happening now and the lack of dialogue, which europe categorically refuses in general at any level, even already at the humanitarian level, we are not talking about politics economy, while growing economic problems, which many experts compare with a

perfect storm, in your opinion, from the point of view of the european union, what will be the favorable outcome of the development of events, that is, what are they waiting for, introducing package after package, package after package and more and more new sanctions , which are still turning into problems, first of all, today you don’t know, because if any of them were from the fact that sooner or later ukraine will win on the battlefield, now these people have russianized an alternative solutions. they are unable to offer. negotiations are not needed. negotiations are not needed. in negotiations now or negotiations after the end of hostilities, while, as it were, leaving the main issue in the country. what is the end of hostilities, but negotiations, well, in any period from the point of view of

europe, after everything that europe has said about not only russia but also the russian leadership. after all possible diplomatic frameworks were crossed. you know, uh, the last such contact at a high level is not at the top at a high level was, uh, in february last year in joselle, the head of euro-diplomacy, came to moscow. and he left, as he later repeatedly stated offended. the fact that the russian side said frankly that, uh, the european union is not a reliable partner. but even then it was clear. already the first packages of sanctions have been introduced, what a reliable partner is being introduced, nevertheless. here

, uh, such an uh, the effect was, but now, but to say that we can, as they say, close our eyes to everything that happened and return to that formula, which, uh, in a similar situation. uh, sounds business this cannot be, of course, and this does not mean that we will ignore the european union as an objective part of an objective reality, but this is for today . uh, in reality, the partner is not offended when he is called liver sausage. this is pretty interesting news. here is what is connected. and of course, it is clear that in the current situation russia is looking for new partners, and new investors come to the

vacated part of the market investors from asia, the middle east, africa, how the european union perceives this turn, but obviously an objective turn russia's international isolation, which they so diligently tried to, means to somehow arrange something to fence off there, but obviously that did not take place, but they believe that they, as they say, on the ground, that they are the only source of technology for us. uh, investment and so on and at the same time. this is the peculiarity of the current situation. simultaneously. they feel very uncomfortable themselves in the asian direction. be afraid to fail . not only for russia, but because of the americans for others, they can keep up with uh objectively, in the emerging asia-pacific region

, they begin to rush between the asia-pacific region and the american- centric concept invented by the americans and up to the pacific region. and what is this asia-pacific minus china begins? because minus china - this is clearly not today's reality and ignored. this is no longer possible. thank you, in the european union there is also a spread of lines, and given the factor of the united states, yes, about which , so to speak, we did not directly speak today on it. it is obvious that it is to be ignored won't work at all. that's for sure. that's right. you're getting more and more of nothing they're afraid of. well , we have finished, which means that most of all europe is not afraid that trump will return, of course, they are doing a lot for this

in order to overcome their fear. thank you very much vladimir alekseevich, i remind you that we spoke with vladimir thank you to your guests. orenburg 239 guards tank floor, which was awarded the order of zhukov, the corresponding decree was signed by vladimir putin. it is published on the official portal of legal information. who has the order established named by the president in 1994 for the award of senior officers for merit in the development of the conduct of major military operations. now is the first case, first a special operation in ukraine, when a unit of the russian armed forces received such an award, the document says that the regiment was awarded for mass heroism and courage

, fortitude of courage, shown by its fighters in military operations to protect state interests. state awards were also given to rescuers on firefighters, as well as scientists prosecutor to officials agrarian foresters in social workers the head of a number of enterprises, as well as to parents with many children. now again at the st. petersburg economic forum my colleague anastasia efimova continues to talk with its guests, and now on our air is an interview with veronika nikishina, general director of the russian export center. veronika olegovna hello, thank you very much for coming to our studio today at the st. petersburg international catholic forum, the russian export center presents, first of all, a project maidensh. please tell us how it will be implemented, taking into account the fact that, probably, its demand. today becomes more and more obvious. primarily. i want to say that

the mate in russia program of the russian export center exists in 2017 and its meaning was to, uh, confirm the compliance of russian products with a certain set of parameters, which was provided for in the relevant government decree. now we understand that the world has changed and indeed russian products in a number of friendly countries are in great demand and it is necessary to increase the recognition of such products. this is the first. this is a trend, the second trend that objectively exists, and the introduction. the uh western sanctions have destroyed in a number of cases the production chain in the russian federation and uh, the elimination of these production chains. e products or components of a number of european countries actually leads, including to the fact that other countries that look at the situation that

is happening with russia and analyzes. maybe tomorrow the same situation will happen to us. they begin to analyze their dependence on imports and their dependence on imports that have been very politicized and begin to perceive russian products as a possible replacement for e- imports in their production chains, imports of all countries that are now very actively indulging in sanctions and also recognition of russian products. it has a place in these new niches. this is also a very uh, important trend of recent months and a new window of opportunity, which for of our companies has opened and many of the companies are starting to actively use it, so we now realized that the made in russia program should be scaled up in a much more serious way.

what it was until now, and we want in partnership with four business associations of the chamber of commerce and industry delovaya rossiya and opora and in partnership with state bodies that are responsible for certification systems, including a voluntary certification system. this is the growth of the standard and the growth of credit. we want to expand opportunities for russian companies to participate in the made in russia program and the meaning of our new e, concept made in russia will be. the fact is that if, uh, a russian company that, for some internal reason, decided to go through the voluntary certification system in any area, and there are a huge number of them, or there is a correspondence between environmental friendliness and organic origin, uh, energy efficiency, reliability, well, quite a large number such voluntary systems. so

, if the company received such a certificate, then she has every right to be able to get our bird and to advance in foreign markets. and we will popularize, but these are the additional competitive advantages of russian products, as additional elements of quality that a follow from its participation in voluntary certification programs. this is the effect that our exporters can get from fate. in our rethought and made in russia program, we are now in a position to receive feedback from our customers. uh, for in order to, uh, before fixing the clear framework of this program, to understand as much as possible what other needs our clients of this program have, both in terms of their needs in

our market and in terms of using international experience, which we also analyze and made in programs in other countries in the emirates in egypt in italy in turkey e. in south africa, this is also all, uh, elements for analyzing what benefits our company can take as part of our program. and i think that somewhere in a month and a half we will finish the complete finalization of this tor for our program, we will already fix it. in the form of an updated government decree, we will popularize russian products under this umbrella brand so that potential buyers of russian products in foreign countries learn not only that these are products from russia, but understand that these products have an additional set of quality characteristics that sometimes break

established mentality that russian products - it's not the best. we absolutely know for sure that we have a lot of examples from which we need to make a system, that russian products, in terms of price-quality combination, in accordance with many parameters, are much better than their, e.g., foreign counterparts. and what markets are waiting for our bird here? well, a lot of western countries. today we used to be practically a stigma. so no, all access to the goods is closed, where is it open, who is waiting for us? and you know, if it happens somewhere, then it arrives somewhere and uh, just in the most acute phase what you call closing markets. we saw the opposite effect, for example, in china we have a russian export center, and in china we have a

marketplace of russian goods, where our e goods are displayed, which are promoted through a channel or online commerce. so, uh, the very first days of the week and months. we have seen a huge demand for russian products from chinese buyers. we read a huge amount of comments in the chats. we want to support russia we want to buy russian products, even if they are not we will understand that covid restrictions in china and disrupted logistics have created certain problems for delivery. products and we saw a huge demand for recognition of russian products, so the sign of a bird will help such buyers who want to quickly determine which products are products from russia on the shelf among a wide variety of products and choose them. we know for sure that, for example, in china, our products are also food. e, our

products in the agro-industrial segment are enjoying a huge respect and trust in terms of. uh, the recognized understanding that it is environmentally friendly, that it is safe is indeed years of work, but which has led to the fact that so many chinese buyers are absolutely confident in the quality of russian products and, uh, scaling. this is the approach of the chinese market of the chinese consumer to russian products, scaling to other markets - this is the job. we are, uh, quite active now. we have, uh, four pavilions of agro-industrial products in in different countries, except for china - this is egypt vietnam secluded arab emirates we are now opening a pavilion in turkey we are looking at the opening of a pavilion in iran where is the demand for russian?