we continue to be proud of it. they were at the heart of those technologies that were then sold to us only for much, much higher prices. the second factor that needs to be taken into account is that we have a fairly small internal market for a gigantic territory with huge potential. here we say that we actually have a civilization. e surplus. i spoke about this, so russia has always been the envy of all western countries, we have a huge amount of all resources, and that's why we sell them. well, we still have clean water, huge drinking water. reserves. we have agriculture. you see , it is developing very well and many other things that actually and er, we are first of all trying to fit in the market. as for technologies, we consumed them with pleasure. we got hooked on them, and this is a painful process of transition to our own technologies, and it is now going on all over the world, 70% of investment in r & d, and traditionally it comes from business. this is

an inverted funnel, that is, 70% comes from the state state. we do n't have a very good client right now. i mean the civilian sector is the sector that we have the military-industrial sector, which was doomed to the author in any case, and they initially worked on technology. he demonstrates. uh, well, the world's advanced levels there in their fields in the civilian sector was not such a need. well, now it has come for me, as if ideal. the picture, of course, is poorly achievable, uh, distribution, and public investment and business investment in israel, and colleagues manage to invest 90% in the development of science, and from the outside business, while half of this money is external money from external investors. at the same time, ip intellectual property remains in israel. well, of course, this can only be dreamed of, but we must, of course, strive for this. the fact that 300 billion oe, dropped out

positions, and from the sanction that germanovskaya showed on the slides. for us. this is the first such target, when we also see them according to the product range of foreign economic activity, that we have lost this year what we calmly joyfully drove last year. for us, this is just the focus of all the efforts that the market dictates to us is that from the bottom up, that the guys we need to urgently replace it, and there, of course, that notorious microelectronics. the same machine tools and other components are all there, which we will have to do here. uh, very important, again, as in any process. you must see clearly. and just now we have great hopes that we will be allowed to build these chains from a qualified customer who will be ready to get up for scaling for commercialization, and technologies. he must order it. there are support tools that allow. a and

e to take on the burden of the cost of the technology itself and the burden of its implementation and the money is in the state. and anton gennadievich knows that our state program has technological development of 1.2 trillion a year, which we like every year bach 1.2 trillion and then, let's see how many patents we have from this . they entered the market, of course, there is, well, conversion. uh, let's just say not the one we would like to expect and not by accident, the president declared the next 10 years the year of science and technology, and we are now turning towards business, when a qualified customer orders this technology in exchange for scaling it up in our market, but the market is not enough we are doomed, uh in any technology, which we scale to look at the export. and here it will be much more serious. if here we no longer meet inside the competition. the hopelessness of the business is ready to take

maybe the worst product for the price we date it becomes more or less is acceptable, then you go out for export and compete with global companies that have outstripped you by several generations. this is the biggest challenge. here science bragging says that we have talents, in many respects this is true, but of course, a very tough question. now, as always. e about frames because. and again, the same notorious conversion of specialists who are trained and who then work in these specialties. it is, of course, depressing, but there are also advanced mechanisms for this. there are the same engineering schools when you have teachers are those who are the most specialists in these industries. they create the same training modules, which, ideally, should prepare the specialist that is needed, of course, the restructuring of the very professions

that are being trained in is now underway in order to satisfy this inner demand. that's the situation in my understanding. eh, not at all hopeless. i am an absolute optimist . the domain being created is science, uh, and technology, which we do on the gostech platform. it allows us to provide a cross-cutting traceability of all efforts and all money from the scientific team at all levels of technological readiness to scaling, the market. as soon as we see a few numbers of cycles, we will be able to focus on those tasks. and the most important thing is to see the concrete result of this scientific activity, because it was not required before, the approach of the state task, which we had, it allowed, uh, the parent organizations to order what they wanted, and not what needs to be saved at this moment and now it has changed, so i am absolutely positive voted for the second option. but, although i doubted in the second vote that there would be such a proportion. it's also in revelation today. early morning, thanks. thank you very much

dmitry nikolaevich. uh, i would like to ask andrei mikhailovich makarov a question regarding the image, uh, the economy of your vision. eh, after all, one way or another, we had a discussion between. if the difference between dreaming and planning and should it be and should it be dreamed of e great e, that is, dreaming of economists is a diversified economy, which, of course, gives another stability level. how do you see 2030? can i come back on the 22nd? you know, i was sitting here writing down, because in fact i learned a lot of interesting things. maxim says that finally business. he finally got everything cleared for business. true, he doesn’t know this yet, maybe he just knows that specific one with first names and surnames who was really

allowed. they probably know, if the others find out, in principle, it will already be good, but i would like to return to the topic. e, which was marked. how to build a brain. i believe actually the answer to this question is long to say. this is an absolutely brilliant german man. i have always bowed before you. now i bow. that's absolutely. this is the first definition offered by the image. uh, farm. answer, you called it, however, you yourself are a little different than it was. it is written on the screen in called e, in the first version of the pipe to the east. so i propose for a second to combine these two concepts of a bridge in the future and a pipe. and then we ourselves will try to ask ourselves a question. does it really matter in which direction this pipe goes, although of course, in what direction are going to build can you probably value the money? you know, the

second question is the structural transformation of the economy, everyone there was surprised by the result. i was surprised too. results. they understand very well what they voted for on the second question. structural transformation of the economy of inevitability it will be with a probability of 100% and there is not a single chance that it will not happen. but what kind of modernization or degradation will it be? here is the question. and today . we have a proposal, and now maksimovich is writing it down. i recorded for him. he behind me. here maksimovich, i have already sent your text, here, huh? so why are you there right now? where it is necessary there and sent. i, unfortunately, the germans will very much disagree with my proposal at this breakfast to invite

alexander ivanovich bastrykin here then and it will be easier to send notes. here, and so i can return to the topic, and he also looks important, frozen at the tv, and so. uh, when i say the word degradation, because everything is clear under modernization. everyone told everything. this dream is a dream of a dream, and the reality so far is the lada granta that we we are going to release, and they will spend air time telling what this lada granta will not have, but they know for sure that it will cost more than the lada granta with a full set, which she even had already announced . everything is fine. all is well. this is what we call simplification. now, if we approach transformation as a simplification, we will slide into degradation in name. by the way, here. eh why? am i talking about this now? eh, i'm just

human. i wrote down, so a little. eh, here, i would actually, because those there are no more questions that you would raise, but they are very important. who will build the bridge? where will we get the money from and who will be responsible for the result of construction, then i realized that the third question has no right to exist, because in our country no one is ever responsible for anything. it 's okay. this is reality, not dreams. it's nothing, it's reality. but then there is no e there someone says someone answers. well, of course, he answers. she answers. you are not for it. so, back to what we're talking about. here look, we had with you, so now we are talking about what we need to do, we should have had a modernization program with you. now someone remembers that this modernization program was from 14 to 21 years old for 7 years. here

, ask ulanov instead of him talking there now about how everything will be fine. let him say he knows for sure. i also know the numbers. well, he will say more precisely how much money was given over these 7 years for this very import substitution. how much have i always thought about the fact that in general the accounts chamber, in theory, should better consider it a tragedy. unfortunately, in order, another figure is so. well, more precisely, you can ask the force. but then what did we get? they really explain to us that in fact everything was done according to plan, but we had plans with you to raise localization 20% 21% i really liked how we got points for increasing localization machine from china painted it in our localization painted mine. for this

they received an award. this is true. these are not dreams, we still report on plans. and this is the most scary from my point of view. so, since the third question, who will answer senselessly, where does the money come from? if it's possible, i 'll tell you when, uh, after titov speaks . ah, uh, who will build the bridge if the brains are built by the same people who were engaged in import substitution in the country? what's the difference? better then a pipe, though a pipe is better, at least we know for sure and yes, we will flow. well , there is, as it were, one absolutely fundamental question. today, the competition in the world is not for cheap labor. what china once stood on and not even raw materials today, competition is

for the quality of public administration , and the main task of public administration is not exaggerated figures or even real gdp figures, which today do not answer the main question of people's well-being . is the welfare of the people the most important? the state administration should be responsible for this in this connection as well. i just want to remind you of that famous phrase of ronald, reagan, who, well, then it was still almost friendly. but no, then they would be a very friendly country. but that was the first war, informational speech. he did not yet understand what he would do for the next 8 years, so this phrase can be said. of course, this is not about the government. you transfer

andrey a. excuse me for god's sake, i'll translate it, as they really understand it, because very many now will say makarov ran into the government reagan did not talk about the government. he was talking about the public administration, public administration is not the solution to the problem. this is the problem itself. that is the quality of our public administration. this is our main problem. now, if we are talking about the modernization of the construction of bridges, who will build? how will it work? yes, the government is currently working on a mechanism that was created and the regions are working like this, but the state administration system is still on the same level with other indicators, but it should be exactly the same as the quality of life of people. and, if we are talking about the economy, without which the quality of life does not exist. i'll just remind you what this year is. pandemic year is a terrible year in fact in everything

the world's number of unicorns we know that its unicorns have increased by more than 30%. they are now. excuse me. there are unicorns in senegal. there porvalize i'm not talking about iceland and so on. we do not have. i don't know who there are more optimists or pessimists in this room, given what we're doing. most likely in this hall most of all realists. because people nod nod, i understand that in their hearts they agree with this, but as in such cases, they say it’s scary, i want to laugh, but it’s scary. andrew wants. thank you big. you said, then, as i understand it, if we build not a bridge, but a pipe,

then we will have a pipe. you know, i think that everyone will understand this phrase as he wants, but it is not necessary to talk about it so much. even to you ok then, if possible, there were appeals borisovich. let's maybe, uh, listen to a colleague's business. i just have a short request. that's how the vision, as you see it, first of all from the side of the business. e thanks a lot. yeees. yes, yes, these are still old stocks, like injections, but of course, strategize well. this is very important, and there the question sounded like this at the expense of whom we will strategize at the expense of whom we will move towards the new economy, of course, there was one answer i had only at the expense of business. god forbid we now plunge into

the directive economy. because all this can create the illusion of solving problems in the short term, but then we will all end up in queues and indeed our entire economy would be a pipeline and only to the east, so, of course, the most important thing today is still to focus on business. but if if we want to focus on business, then we need to understand it. i am somehow not in the commodity business, basically in a different way, and i can say that we have not always had a particularly long period of strategizing planning for business in the country. it was a very short period in relation to others as well. but now it has narrowed down to weeks for business, of course, he is well arguing about what will happen in 2030, but today it is necessary not only not to die for many enterprises today. there, your uh, presentations were these main problems, in general 8-7% we conduct our own s-sociology 87%

out of almost six thousand enterprises , entrepreneurs who answered this question said that they were affected by the sanctions. that is, this is a fairly good reliable sample of 87% the main thing, of course, is the breaking of chains. direct import restriction does not load. today i am looking for, i am an entrepreneur, but a small but good business cannot deliver chile from america which was ordered a long time ago and well, you are half paid today, and the company that wants to deliver must obtain permission from the us government to ship to we will not hand over the hotel in russia on time, because people cannot live without air conditioning. the second is, of course. a very complex logistics system, which we talked about today, is looking for containers wherever we can.