the next guest is the executive director of the tourism corporation of the russian federation sergey krasnopyorov of the russian federation and another speaker of our session is the director of the association of clusters of technology parks and special economic zones of the russian federation andrey shpilenko. well, we

are glad to welcome all the guests, but before we begin, we must say that today the government of the cheboksary economic forum has received a policy of import substitution on a telegram prime minister mikhail mishustin is addressing us all he notes that i am glad to welcome all of us to the forum and congratulates us on the day of the chuvash republic. i will quote the central theme of this forum, the course towards import substitution was not chosen by chance. a profound transformation is taking place in the national economy. this gives the necessary impetus to enterprises and companies operating in various fields. it opens up new opportunities for them to develop their own production, develop new technological solutions, including for young entrepreneurs. well, what are we ready to start oleg alekseevich let's let's start with you, uh, given the current situation. how do you assess the state of the economy of the republic and how the region is implementing the program of technological sovereignty today. thank you first of all, uh, dear friends, dear colleagues i am glad

to welcome first of all the guests of the city, cheboksary of the chuvash republic on the territory of hospitable chuvashia, of course, we tried to make it comfortable, convenient, and most importantly, to have a meaningful discussion. ah. the chuvash have such a saying in translation sounds for the fact that was not enough. sorry for the excess. well, as it were, reduce the extra substitutions, no doubt. the chuvash republic has been very closely engaged in this topic since 2014, as it was already announced by the president . that year, the main directions, of course, were primarily under those segments of the economy or by industry topics, huh? chuvashia is traditionally strong, first of all, of course, electrical engineering, mechanical engineering. agro-industrial complex. and this is the work that was started in 2014, i must say, of course. started to have an effect. maybe so, he is closer to the twenties, and that's how, as a result, for the second year in a row we

signed the signed peak 2.0. and if last year we signed a peak 2.0, a for a sort of peak 2.0 for the production of tractors and small average power, and then this year we signed a peak 2.0 for the production of hydrogen peroxide antriquinone methods. this is very serious for us. and this suggests that, in general, the government works very closely, primarily with large businesses, and, based on an understanding of the market, is actively involved in policy of the government of the russian federation, of course, we are actively using the tools that are implemented by the government of the russian federation in the plan. diversification of the economy, both in terms of, or rather, diversification of the defense industry, and in terms of the development of small and medium-sized businesses. here i would note, first of all, even quite a strong intensification in recent years, primarily in the clustering of our activities for the adoption of the

industrial policy, because such work allows, on the one hand, to determine investment niches on the other hand. uh, close our activities to final products and enter the market already with such a clear understanding of what we have, and most importantly, uh, bring support tools here. naturally. eh, we need places where these production facilities are located, and here we are immediately actively involved in the creation. e technology parks, both private and state-owned and now we are working on the creation of two state-owned industrial parks last year. uh, three uh, two of our private uh, meaning investors. won the right to create private technology parks, for this 1 billion 300 million rubles. will be spent this year. now they have four more projects to create technology parks. and these components together, clustering and the creation of e, infrastructure sites, undoubtedly, in our opinion, was a very

powerful e, basis for solving, among other things, issues of import substitution. and uh, further, of course, so we will work in this direction, especially since the president gave clear instructions on the sidelines of the st. petersburg international economic forum. what exactly is clustering, or rather supporting clustering, is one of the effective directions for the implementation of e industrial policy, but about the events that took place in february. naturally, we accelerated all our work that we had done before. that is, what we e formed in the form of backlogs. well, let's say so for the peoples. everything flew very quickly and naturally, uh, but uh, this requires funds, including financial ones, and here there were very, uh, difficulties. they are still confident. that's just the president's instructions will solve very, very many questions in connection with these phenomena, but at the same time,

reacting to the current situation, we, uh, went. it would seem simple ways. we have set up a so-called club-forming enterprise system. that is, just weekly heads of large enterprises or specialists gather and communicate only due to this they have become more active. we have internal cooperation links and the solution of problems of enterprises by other enterprises. and so, uh, i might be a little bit wrong. here for example, the concentrator plant reduced its import dependence almost in 3 months. well, you can say 3-4 times, if for certain types of products according to my data. they had from 10 to 40% import dependence, then at the current moment. from one and a half to ten percent, others reduced it from 50 to 20, and such work is undoubtedly based on the use of support tools that are implemented by the government of the russian federation for internal communication, creative approaches to solving these problems allow

all these questions. uh, a very active engine. and we intend to continue this, naturally. including with the participation of all those colleagues who are present at our forum today, and for which i am very grateful to them. thank you for your performance. in general, they outlined the background with which we have to work. and during a business breakfast today, we talked about how much, uh, manual control and state intervention. now there is a demand in business affairs, maybe, on the contrary, we need to step aside a little and let the business adapt. what do you think, here such a dispute, it has been going on for a very long time and periodically flares up. i would say so. here is my opinion, uh, we must follow, and the wise folk saying everything is useful in moderation. there is a state. naturally , it should be present, where its presence is paramount, including manual control of the process, and where competition already exists

, where the industry is already systematically functioning. there, of course, the state. well, let's just say, so rude, there's nothing to do. yes, there's definitely no need to climb there. i think that's pretty much it. thanks for answer. let's talk about some, er, sectors of the economy, let's start with banking. uh systems. anatolyevich, i’ll ask you a question uh, we know everything that the russian financial sector has come under unprecedented pressure, many banks are disconnected from the swift system uh, in your opinion, how ready were our organizations for this, we may need legislative support now, including some kind of support financial system. we see that the financial system is working stably. at including those banks that are disabled continue to serve both businesses and the public yesterday. a visiting meeting of the committee on financial

markets was held here. and all the major representatives of all the largest banks took part in this off-site meeting, and they talked not about how to solve their problems, but about how to more actively finance projects that russian enterprises have and what needs to be done, including from outside states to finance these projects, but one of the problems that today, unfortunately, is sharp enough this is a cross-border calculation, many banks really are abstracted from the font, and those banks that have the right to open chicken accounts in foreign banks, or, uh, currency accounts here within the country, encounter resistance from unfriendly countries. naturally. we need to find a way out. e to solve this problem. well, one of the directions is the development of so-called digital financial assets.

next week we will pass a law that will give space for the use of this new tool. i'm sure in the near future. it will become maybe one of the most important sanctions. this will also stimulate the three platforms. we are already registered. this is the atamay platform from norilsk nickel, transformer holding , by the way, registered its platform as an enterprise in chuvashia, an industrial tractor. e, car repair plant kanash aggregate plant. cheboksary is everything. the links of the subdivision of transmashholding are included in the system of this holding. so transformers has registered its platform and soon going to launch it. well, sberbank has launched it, and here in chuvashia we again have an enterprise called selpel, which has prepared its proposals and will work out the launch of this system with sberbank in the near future. so in that regard, i'm sure

the problems that they are trying to create for us will be successfully solved, as far as the internal system of the financial messaging system is concerned. she is a complete replacement. it meets the best international standards. uh, swift, and in this regard, our enterprises do not experience any problems. questions. associated, let's say, with sweet legislation to stimulate the financing of projects that could solve the problem of import substitution. well, oleg alekseevich said, hydrogen peroxide. in our country today, the vast majority of hydrogen peroxide is supplied from abroad , it was supplied from abroad, including from unfriendly countries, and the khimprom novocheboksarsky oslu is mastering this production, in the near future, consumers are ready to start cotton mills are ready to provide a guarantee. there is such

practice ofta and contracts, when the consumer of products, says i am ready to pay for a long time, respectively, under such readiness. e enterprises are ready to produce products, because the bank knows that there is a guaranteed sale of manufactured products in the future. they are ready to provide cheaper resources, but nonetheless. here's yesterday. we just discussed this topic at the committee. ah, bankers. they say that it is necessary to make changes to the civil code in order for this guarantee of the sale of products to be guaranteed your nuance andreevich if i may ask a few clarifying questions. i think they will be of interest to the audience, and, uh, we are present with what a businessman is here with, regarding the de-lorization of the economy and currency regulation. uh, well, firstly, will the dollar be 6 rubles. and from the first question, and the second is whether the circulation of currency for citizens will be banned. uh, is it up for debate, at least it means the circulation of currency for citizens is definitely not up for

debate. recently, the topic of negative rates on foreign currency deposits has been discussed for individuals for individuals, this issue will definitely not be regulated, that is, individuals, as e had the opportunity at favorable rates for them, which they consider profitable to keep their money in banks, will be the same for legal entities. yes, it is possible, the establishment, most likely, will even be adopted and even next week, uh, negative foreign exchange rates. well, including this is being done for the de- dollarization of our space, as for six rubles, nothing lasts forever on earth 6 rubles. maybe perhaps, even in general, no one will need the dollar because of such american policy, and the ruble will be in demand. we are already selling gas for rubles. uh, the president recently signed a decree on compliance, according to which we will repay external debts in rubles. and, in

principle, we do not need dollars. if we can't spend them, we can't buy products from the united states because of the sanction, we can't spend euros. uh, because we don't sell european products. well, why do we need such a currency, respectively, other countries, looking at unfair actions, european and american partners may also refuse this currency. and in fact, i see a great future, including in the ruble, which, uh, will begin to acquire digital forms next year. here are digital financial assets. the digital ruble is the entire financial turnover that will not be subject to any sanctions. well, and accordingly, we are already working there with china with other countries to ensure that financial interaction is carried out, including in such a digital form, otherwise thank you you for your comments. thank you, i am sure that now they will disperse to news agencies. thank you

very much. well, we continue. well, speaking of technological sovereignty is impossible. bypass , of course, the defense in the industrial complex. today, how they solve all the tasks that the industry faces precisely from the point of view of import substitution. and thank you very much good afternoon. well, first of all, i wanted to congratulate everyone on the day of the republic on all the raw, too, with the republic, that we work very closely with colleagues from administration, uh, and we see how the republic is developing, uh, literally, uh? from year to year, these results are visible and, uh, visible, even by our m-th presence here in the region, the portfolio is growing both in large enterprises and in smes. uh, 30% a year. this suggests that, in general, there is a subject for such a positive from the point of view, in general, the prospects for the development of the republic. it seems to me that in general, here is the very fact of such a two-day event,

as they say, the economic forum events suggest that there are interests, it is true that discuss and unequivocally high bar for discussion. it is very, very interesting. and it is very valuable and honorable for us to be partners. and here is the business program of this forum. and as for the topic of our uh our culinary meeting, import substitution. well , this is not only the defense industry, after all, probably. here we can probably talk about diversification into the defense type. because after all, this task is also worth it. although we also now understand that many defense enterprises. now a little bit updated tasks in terms of loading their productions, but nevertheless, the task of diversification, no one filmed it, was also discussed with monophors, but nevertheless, it’s true, becoming diversification is probably an integral part of import substitution, as a larger process more such a systemic one, if so

, too, probably, to be honest , which, probably, for many years is still one of the drivers. still, well, i don’t want to say the main wrong, but one of the drivers of the growth of the russian economy, well, in that form was, uh, the export of such uh. well, i don’t want to say directly in direct hydrocarbons. well, in general, exports, including hydrocarbons, and also uh, so uh, our base ones. eh, if there are materials, then, therefore, fertilizer is metals. in general, the products of the basic industries. and this in turn. in general, the activity around created some kind of general subject for the development of other industries in parallel. of course, i also took part in this process , non-commodity exports developed. we stimulated, but still some kind of such a driver, such a globally speaking, probably was here base industry. well, even if you look at the balance of payments, er, there is nothing wrong with

that. this is our strong advantage. this is fine. now due to objective reasons. uh, it's probably no longer such a driver of growth, which may be partly a good thing. and what then , like this, to think about what should be the driver of economic growth as a whole, the driver of economic growth. in general, this slogan should probably be. this is import substitution. this is some kind of uh, economic activity, which involves uh, accelerated intensified investment in import-substituting industries. e. probably it is anyway. well, since that's how it happened here it's good, but here you have to keep in uh, three points in mind, probably the first one. eh, well, here the production workers know the best and, probably, they will say that there are colleagues here on the panel. eh, it's still these supply chains that are objectively destroyed and are being destroyed, this is such a minus, i will not stop here, but uh, from this i turn to the

financial component a. uh, two two moments accordingly, from the remaining ones, in my understanding , the same logistics chains are financial, they are also destroyed, they are destroyed to a greater extent. and that's why anatolyevich just said briefly, these are the calculations and so on. in fact, even if the industrialists, uh, agree among themselves, the banks have less opportunity to agree, because foreign banks are our former partners, they are much more regulated than production sites. and here, here, there may be a plug. that is, we can agree on cooperation, we can agree on some supplies, but we will not be able to pay for them, how to work in this case. well, here, partly anthological seemed to be digital assets and so on. this is some kind of cleaning establishment. well, although it is also a process. it 's more test mode faster. it seems to me that it is possible to do from the creation of some kind of cleaning, let's say

such settlement centers. national currencies, but there is a mechanism, in fact. here is a further uh, the development of such payment systems as spfs, too, and so on. same system cross border system fast payments of the central bank, in principle, there is a basis for this. eh, but that's a big problem. i don't think it's because i work in a bank. and why even here is some kind of well-established cooperation between an industrial enterprise, but the most, probably, the main topic - of course, this is a problem, what needs to be done, a special emphasis in this such accelerated import substitution. it is still clear that it will still require resources. this will require funds. uh, from a banking point of view. everyone says you need cheap and long credit. it is, of course, yes. this is the basic thing. and now it seems to me that everyone sees that, well, after the first such corrective, as they say, procedures, the bank of russia is moving to such a generally more comfortable level and interest rate, and

further, but my deep conviction is that the main problem and the challenge is not the level of the interest rate. he a priori, of course, should be comfortable there and so on. the main problem is the ability of a bank or an investor to financially accept the risk of a project, because when we talk about the creation of new industries. it's always a risk. and this is a new condition for us. this is a new type of activity in general - these are, let's say, not rolled back mechanisms. and here it is necessary, of course here. scroll. this is a guaranteed demand, this is the participation of state development institutions, whether it be industry. something is not exactly in lowering the interest rate, but in sharing the risk , and that's when the commercial bank, uh, again, the investor will understand that when investing in a project, he has a guarantee here that after all

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such a route and dating this logistics. this is a very serious help, i invite all regions that directly border on the ulyanovsk region. e, ready to share experience with them ready to accept applications from their company, which is also experiencing logistical difficulties. e, we are ready in this regard also to promote, but a lot of attention. we are now focusing on intra-regional cooperation and, uh, inter-regional. today we came here. uh, the chuvash republic has a large delegation. uh, government members are heads of large industrial enterprises. well, in fact, they combined participation in the economic component of the form. yes, and practice. work in practical negotiations visited the tractor factory. and what turned out even in the first approximation we have already found

common ground and are ready for and at the prom, which will take place. uh, a few days later already sign uh, an agreement between companies on the future. uh, for mutual cooperation, that is, there is a solar supply proposal lighting equipment for hydrocilites. uh, that means, uh, interior design of cabins made of composite materials, i am sure that with a deeper study and with deeper work , such uh, cooperative chains can stand much longer. more. oleg alekseevich and i agreed in principle that at the end of july. uh, business, a mission from the chuvash republic will come to us in we will show our potential, and you have the potential. i assure you, you are not bad either.