nato in madrid one of the main, topical and discussed topics is that turkey no longer prevents finland and sweden from joining the north atlantic alliance. konstantin kosachev, deputy chairman of the federation council konstantin iosifovich, is in touch with us. hello. hello , now helsinki will already be invited to stockholm, respectively, the ratification of documents will officially begin in nato. why, in your opinion, did turkey agree to this, how will the structure of world security change and how does it turn out ? another challenge in russia uh, that turkey would be broken, i had no doubts from the very beginning. uh, the turks are good negotiators, but uh, they understand the red lines they shouldn't cross. one of those red lines. uh, opposing yourself to, uh, the alliance and the americans in that alliance, for whom, uh, nato is still. this is the main

tool mechanism for keeping under control. uh, allies to europe well, demonstrations, uh, monolithic in quotation marks, the unity of the uh western bloc, so the question was, uh, not, uh, what this story will end. and when it ends, it ends pretty quickly and i think the second part of this story, the registration of membership. finland, sweden, in nato, too, uh, will pass according to the accelerated scenario now about uh, the consequences from my point of view. eh, you can talk about three planes of these consequences, of course. this is the deterioration of relations between these two countries with russia, i remind you that finland and russia are a long land border - this is a huge number of e -projects. uh, including cross-border cooperation - this is still the case. uh, that's enough free, while crossing the border contacts between people. uh, we have been actively working with sweden until

recently to solve regional problems. uh, in the baltic in the barents sea. all this, of course, will undergo changes definitely for the worse, definitely not at the russian initiative. it remains only to regret the second second plane - these are the consequences for the very regional cooperation that i just spoke about, because the accession of finland and sweden to nato turns everything existing structures regional cooperation council of the baltic sea states council of the barents, euroarctic region arctic and council structures where uh? countries in addition to russia - this is strange nato, which means that in these structures it will no longer be possible to talk. uh, what is called a multilateral conversation on an equal footing? a conversation equally, taking into account the interests of all participants - these will all be mechanisms for imposing nato interests. e our country and er, i am sure that russia will never

agree with this by definition. and finally, the third plane. this actually. eh, collective security in europe in a more global context, any expansion of nato is fixing the division of security into privileged for some and residual for everyone else, and the very existence of nato , all the more so its expansion is, if you like, the antithesis of, uh, those principles which were also developed in the united nations organization in the organization for security and cooperation in europe , which says that security cannot be divided into blocks, so you need your existence, and now expansion in finland all of course, this security is being divided even more rudely and even more painfully in terms of consequences for the entire surrounding world, moving on to other topics that were discussed at the summit in madrid at the end i will not ask you to comment belgian prime minister alexandra said that we are quoting must continue to support president zelensky and

the people of ukraine so that they win on the battlefield. uh, that is, the alliance will continue to help kiev that's exactly the wording. this is what, what means, that is, it’s come, the ultimate intention is to pump up the situation, probably, so the first and uh, the game around uh the possible membership of ukraine in the european union and the current position of nato military support for ukraine is uh, the direct opposite of those beautiful declarations and those values, on which these integration structures are allegedly based. west because support. ukraine is support for ukraine's actions to create within. what is called the own control of a mono-ethnic state with the suppression of the rights of national minorities, suppression of the rights of people with the use of military force against those who did not agree with the 2014 coup d'etat, all these are

stories that the european union and nato, let me remind you , interpreted in the opposite way in the case of yugoslavia and the definition of their position on status, kosovo is the first, but the second is uh, the immediate threats that uh arise. e to the address of a possible settlement of the crisis in ukraine if ukraine continues to e, shove it exclusively on a military path. e there is no military way for ukraine to resolve the situation, because, uh, this way for ukraine is here dead-end, u ukraine’s military victory in this conflict will definitely not be by definition, but uh, dragging this conflict into its military phase will only mean additional costs for ukraine and in terms of e economic consequences in terms of social consequences. well, of course, from the point

of view of the risks that this operation naturally carries for the e population for people. the longer ukraine will be kept within the military logic. the solutions to those problems that ukraine has created for itself, but which are actively sponsored by the west, the greater will be the morning of losses, flaws and defeats for ukraine itself. well, after that, for those who are behind ukraine, in this case, for state-owned nato but what can be said about the informational provocations around what happened in the city of kremenchug, we know that russia hit the plant where the military warehouses were located. with nato weapons, there was a detonation of these ammunition as a result the amstor shopping center caught fire and ukraine allegedly claims this as a bombing of the shopping center. what can you say about this fake, it is being spread by western mixtures of assets now. well, i have a feeling that they are already ceasing to spread the attempt. e has been done. what is called full-length and,

if i am not mistaken, on some tapes of western news agencies, information about this strike appeared before, in fact, the strike. uh, this was the first one, so this is a pure provocation, but now the british and others western intelligence agencies. start through teeth. what is called admitting that, uh, apparently, the russian interpretation of what happened, uh, is the only correct one, you know, uh, here. uh, ibucha and kremenchug are now desperate attempts by the west to find in the actions of the russian. the countries in the ukrainian direction have at least some signs of the fact that a special military operation is coming out, what is called for its parameters and, in fact, is the use of military force against the civilian population of ukraine this is absolutely not true after all, enough time has passed for any sane person to be convinced of this

, there is no evidence that e russia is acting as part of a special military operation precisely and e, what is called aiming in relation to military facilities in ukraine. there is no evidence to the contrary, and according to there will be no definition, because there is an exhaustive position of the supreme commander-in-chief of the russian federation, who accordingly set tasks for the russian armed forces, therefore, here to suck the evidence out of the finger, but still it will not be possible for the butch. this has shown and kremenchuk is now showing it, uh, provocations will continue, but thank god and such military men are ready for this. well, i'm sure that world public opinion , more and more, understands the essence of what is happening and the inadmissibility of accepting such provocations on faith. i cannot but ask you about the situation around the svalbard archipelago, because norway has banned the passage of goods for russia and for russian settlements in this archipelago. here we discussed the situation in the previous broadcast by sergei

gushchin, consul general in russia, our pittsbergen. there's cargo at the checkpoint. there are products and others, how would you characterize, how can you call them, dimash, probably from the side of the donkey. well, uh, you know i uh, by the will of fate. uh, at one time he worked in mussels and supervised. e, north european direction, including e svalbard. even visited, uh, himself on spizbergen. e in the village of barentsburg. uh, i talked with uh, labor uh, with the labor collectives that work there, so i can imagine this very well situation, personally. eh, svalbard is a territory that is really geographically climatically, if you want, logistically cut off from the outside world and the people who work there. and now, if i'm not mistaken, these are about 500 people, mainly miners, they are critical. we depend on the uninterrupted supply of

food and medicine and clothing and equipment to the archipelago, and there can by definition be no failures, because any such failure creates critical security risks. for life ensuring the health of the people who are there this is the first second norway, as you know , according to the paris treaty of 1920, the sovereignty of spitzbergen, but the same treaty in the most severe way, but limited rights. uh, norway's sovereign rights over svalbard. they are not unlimited, but secondly, he extremely strictly prescribed the obligations of norway as a sovereign state to ensure equal conditions for access to the archipelago for work there for any third states that are parties to the paris treaty and which are interested in such activities, let me remind you that the soviet union acceded to the paris treaty in 1935

. but then the russian federation, of course , took over all all the rights under this agreement after the soviet union, so the only direct line cannot be interpreted in any way. norway's contractual obligation is to ensure unhindered transit of any goods. e from the countries participating in the paris treaty on the archipelago. what's this now? eh, it's not happening. in my opinion, this is a gross violation of the paris treaty, if we take the legal side. well, and simply immoral in terms of the possible consequences of such decisions, such as sanctions, if they continue, and, in terms of the rights and interests of those people who work for our hero. returning to the european, what is called the direct agenda ukraine and moldova received the status of candidate members of the european union, this was discussed, in your opinion. it means something here the western press, in particular, wrote that this was an important

symbolic signal. does this really mean something or is it real or is it an empty phrase? well, uh, the sound, unfortunately, is not empty, we have already seen, uh, the statement of the moldovan speaker. true, then the prime minister seemed to reinforce him somewhat, but the moldovan speaker officially stated that the status of a candidate member of the eu for moldova means the obligation to take part in anti-russian sanctions that are implemented through the european, that is, in fact. it is nonsense full, but look how at e, excited, inflamed consciousness. uh, irresponsible politicians, whether in moldova or, well, ukraine is affected by the very prospect. uh, rapprochement with the european union, it is perceived as a kind of carte blanche. let me remind you that when in 2008 nato e, ukraine and georgia hinted at the possibility of nato membership, only 4 months elapsed between

april 2008 and august 2008, when georgia launched a military strike on nosite, e, then the matter did not reach ukraine because there at that moment the authorities were more responsible reasonable politicians. but here you are beckoned by a direct connection, uh, hypothetical membership and then uh, completely irresponsible actions, what is called on earth here and now, the second i will repeat once again. i already mentioned this today, uh, the application for membership recognized by the european union is a direct confirmation that the european union has no complaints about what is happening, in fact in ukraine and moldova, i remind you that both ukraine and moldova have territories that do not agree with actions of public authorities and thus clearance. uh, some candidate. um, the experience in the european union actually means that these authorities are given carte blanche to continue to ignore a large part of the territory of the

population living in these territories. they have, it turns out, from the point of view of the european union. there is no need to change anything in politics. this is a signal, but it is a signal that can have very serious destructive and regrettable consequences for the preservation of territorial integrity. be then moldova or ukraine, we are doing it all before our eyes. what is called daily hourly zelensky threatens transnistria is also a very discussed international news. well, you can’t call it otherwise, kiev receives unpleasant signals and is ready to respond with a blow if pridnestrovie threatens zelensky’s own statement at a joint press conference with the head of moldova maia sandu, as it was, such aggressive rhetoric was assessed as unacceptable for another . i just can't find here for e, transnistrian settlement. uh, there's only one way, that's dialogue political dialogue. e, on an equal footing between

chisinau and e, tiraspol and the possible finding of some conditions for further existence. within the framework of a single state, if both sides agree to this, including transnistria, of course, e, kiev has a completely different agenda in the moldovan transnistrian direction. i am sure that it is completely indifferent to kiev what will happen, in fact, with the process of transnistrian regulation. they decide here their tasks, and it is very important for them to provoke now. further aggravation of relations between e, chisinau and tiraspol. well, if possible, blame the tiraspo. e about what poses a kind of military threat, both for chisinau and for e. kiev is its own, separated from reality. and now, if you want, a common sense agenda for kiev, and everything that happens in other directions in the southeast direction is happening in this matter. uh, yet ukraine, therefore, it remains only to be surprised. uh,

if you like, uh, here's the short term uh political programs. beer and their lack of understanding of the strategic prospects for the development of the situation in their own country. uh, a perspective that is becoming more and more non -strategic atactic, and because of this, it loses all signs of a viable strategy, even a little bit. here we talked about the bans on the part of norway in relation to svalbard and our settlements. and there are also bans from lithuania and lithuania on transit in the kaliningrad region. here. hey, how can you comment on that? what are the consequences? maybe lead and what answers are we preparing accordingly? well, uh, we, uh, see how, uh, lithuania at the first stage, uh, tried to hide behind the regulation of the european union, but when the european union was puzzled, it admitted that the topic of kaliningrad transit, and not in its sanctions decisions. just, well, they missed it. lithuania immediately

occupied. er, the pose that she will never agree to any revision of the eu sanctions decisions in this part, so we are dealing with an aggressive one. uh, the anti-russian minded lithuania who is trying uh, the general chorus of anti-russian european union politicians to stand out and make their own. what is called politics, is it clear that viability is the life support of the kaliningrad transit? uh, in any case, will uh, be determined taking into account? well, as they say, only e, the volume of available opportunities and e, kaliningrad e will not lose. what is called the possibility for this life support under any circumstances? but the fact that any subsequent preservation of these restrictive measures will suffer in the first place lithuania itself is in this. i don’t have the slightest doubt

, and russia, too, has enough means of economic influence on lithuania, despite the fact that our relations have already been practically reduced to e to zero, therefore, we will count on the fact that the european union is still in in this case, it will be able to cope with the political ambitions of the completely unhealthy political ambitions of lithuania and, e.g., will provide for at least some reasonable exceptions in its sensory policy on the edge. directing everything else would already mean additional risks additional risks. although there are more than it is enough for e our relations of the relations of the russian federation with the european union as a whole. thanks to konstantin iosifovich for such a detailed conversation with us. konstantin kosachev, deputy chairman of the federation council, was in touch; it was the fifth studio. see you.

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