discipline, which will allow the production of modern boards, and even those boards that actually do not exist in the world. and i believe that in atms it is too. perhaps there are now 200,000 atms installed in russia. analysts. they say that every year they change about 20,000 of them as planned. all of them are foreign, but after the imposition of sanctions, western suppliers stopped shipments, only asian manufacturers remained. but completely switch to their units. experts do not see the point of the risks remain, moreover, the french company tully announced its resignation, with which it produced hardware security modules for atms. they protect and encrypt user data. they will also have to be replaced by their own experts, they believe that it will take about half a year. there are already analogues, this is the minister of the company that produces these modules and it is quite easy to replace them, including with domestic solutions. therefore, i will say this hmm dangerous or something so serious something happened to atms after the departure of this

french company. this answer is no, and it enough. just can be replaced in the future in bfs. they want to produce atms with a video recording solution, and then offices will not be needed at all, a particularly important option for remote regions of russia yuliya makarova andrey shnur from stanislav kurashovvesti. further on the air, the fifth studio program, i give the floor to anton podkorenko. hello and now we are talking about the energy sector, in terms of international and in particular in terms of international sanctions confrontation. the situation with the nord stream with the termination supplies via nord stream, a very serious european commission. hoping to resume deliveries after maintenance work, news agency reports canada's return of nord stream turbine does not violate eu sanctions against russia as they do not cover gas transit equipment. these are the official statements of the european commission about this whole situation. we will ask you to

comment. and valeria selezneva is first deputy chairman of the state duma committee on energy. valery sergeevich is in touch with us now, hello, good afternoon, police how was this whole situation regarding the turbine assessed, that is, someday it still returns it to berlin at the request of ber yes, and it turns out that on the one hand there are sanctions against russia and the most stringent winding sanctions, but on the other hand, it turns out, as an exception. we just started technical work, and they were already so scared. listen carefully. my speech on this situation was predicted. i said you even wrote in your telegram channel about what they would have to look for. here are some exceptional solutions question, because, well, obviously, the sanctions that they take, they very often work against themselves in the first place. and this is such a very vivid example of that, a clear example of how i need to do it, from the point of view of

economic consequences, because sanctions are being prepared for winter, they all understand this very well, and it seems to me that the first signals began to come to the fact that these political emotions give way to their certain economic realities. here, from a legal point of view, i do not presume to judge deeply, but i the legal construction seems to be quite acceptable, because, uh, there's a highback. yes, the uh minister said. regarding the fact that we are not asking to supply these turbines to russia, yes, everyone understands that these turbines, which are now in canada, are intended for nord stream 1. but formally, they are now going to be returned to germany now. yes, and then the germans will find ways to resolve the issue. how to get around these sanctions, which they imposed on themselves

in order to provide turbines to the northern the flow of money, you know, i'm more concerned about another issue. this is what we are talking about, an isolated case under those turbines that have not been returned now, and because of which we were forced to reduce the volume of gas pumping along the northern flow-1, but we actually work on these turbines. er, most or most of the system. our gas transportation is what will happen next with the service of turbines from the repair of these turbines. this is a question. i'd say, uh, if you ask me as some outside expert. wouldn't go now satisfaction of those requirements, which, according to the logic of germany and canada, uh, will follow the

return. like this, uh, hmm gesture. good will, because, well, it’s not enough, you just need to get some legally significant documents that would provide an exception not only for these turbines, but, in principle, the exclusion of such sanctions of this kind of sanctions. e, as not applicable to the further normal partnership between russia and europe in terms of gas supplies, part of the reliability of energy and gas supply to europe, for which we are principle, we have always responded, and from the very first day of the special operation we emphasize that we are not going anywhere from our obligations and are not trying to use gas as a kind of instrument of hybrid warfare. that's just the same for the planned annual maintenance, then what you started talking about, now this question turns out to be in limbo. i understand correctly, and it is very sharp for the west side. right.

absolutely true, of course, but now look. today we stopped gazprom. uh, northern flow one completely, as far as i understand, uh, this schedule of scheduled maintenance works, which are currently being carried out from the eleventh, in my opinion, there to the 22nd. if, uh, i am mistaken in the dates, you will correct me, please, july european gas consumers were absolutely aware of our partners, for some reason they are right now, despite the fact that such events are held around the summer. on the same dates, every year, they raised such a fuss that this was some kind of hostile action on the part of gazprom that did not will give. uh, after that, the necessary gas flow that would allow it to be restored. uh,

reach the standards. filling up europe's gas storage well, it's clear that you guys did everything to ensure that these gas storages do not fill up or fill up slowly or fill up slow roads. here you can list. this is in addition to these turbines. there were still so many unfriendly steps. uh, successively excluded and turned off the sources. supply gas that is stable there under normal long-term contracts and prices at towards europe, they are already doing this very much. long before february of this year. here is valery sergeevich, continuing this theme. yes, uh, a general question, i'll ask a general one, but nevertheless, it seems to me extremely painful, but for the west, here are the prospects without russian gas for europe for which , in your opinion, which countries are the most painful, what is called who suffers the most? first

of all, countries that, let's say, have a large energy balance and consumption, uh, a large share of gas, and these are countries like poland, uh, germany first. a flock in the baltics, then france well, france is being replaced by an atom there now. well, that is, by and large, all countries will one way or another experience a lack of gas or they will feel being replaced by expensive lng. eh, thank you for all this burden on our industries and on our household enterprises. thank you very much with us. in touch was valery seleznev, first deputy chairman

of the state duma committee on energy and the same energy topic and the topic of sanctions confrontation in this area is very sharp and gaining momentum. we will continue with andrey konoplyanik. and andrey alexandrovich, advisor to the general director of gazprom export, is also in touch with us now. with a turbine, uh, canada berlin nord stream, uh, germany will still receive gas from russia and this will turn out to be some kind of exception to the sanctions, which looks very strange against the backdrop of western rhetoric of the general extremely extremely anti-russian here it turns out that the economy, as it were, is already overdoing politics, or is it still not so in your opinion. to me, from my point of view, a targeted economic war against my country continues. against our country, and here it should be understood that e is the west in this respect. it is not homogenous, and you have to understand that the

european union, which is the main victim of you, but from these sanctions, and the united states of america, which benefit from these sanctions. these are two sides within the framework of a single west that pursue different goals. in particular, the states are interested. well, i also talk and write a lot about this, but we are interested in expanding the market for liquefied natural gas in europe for this. well, so that prices remain high on the european union market, so that american lng is profitable here, so that the european gas premium exceeds the asian premium, so that it is profitable to supply ships, respectively, but for this it is necessary, respectively, to remove our, uh, gas from europe yes and for different actions are being taken and i consider the story with the siemens turbine in this context. i will explain why, uh, let me remind you that canada imposed its additional sanctions, but on rubina 70, which means that after

this turbine was under scheduled maintenance at a plant in canada, mr. seleznev completely right. from my point of view, i outlined, respectively, here are the substances yes, and if we were held hostage by the fact that these turbines, which can only be repaired at the plant where they were manufactured in canada yes, where are they racing? there are airplanes and so on. yes, when canada imports these sanctions, after the turbine was there, it was impossible not for canada to be a european ally . what i'm going to say now, but i'm going to suggest that canada wasn't on its own in making that decision. yes, because the initiators of all, uh, decisions that are aimed at limiting gas supplies from russia to europe there were, starting not even from the fourteenth year, so to speak, the will of the early time, the united states of america, which consistently cleared for themselves a site for their liquefied natural gas, which they did not hide, because in the first

sanctions law, which was not adopted in the fourteenth year, in my opinion, if memory serves, yes, there was just an appropriate paragraph, which was written under the ideological, so to speak, support for the energy security of ukraine. what is the goal? yes support. yes, this is an extension, which means downloading uh on the american production capacity increase, respectively, employment in e. the united states in order to increase export supplies of its lng, and so on. that is, helping others in the first place, helping yourself. but what does everything lead to, respectively, these are the sanctions, but for europe, after all, restrictions on supplies via nord stream 2 via nord stream 1, starting with a ban. excuse nord stream 2 plus follow-up measures, which i also consider within the framework of the same set. yes, and ukraine's refusal to accept from us, uh, means transit gas with protection. yes as a result of which the execution of our transit contract, where we are obliged to supply, respectively, there up to 24 years, yes for 40 billion cubic meters. uh, a year, after two points of entry of suju through safety

, where gazprom has repeatedly said that it does not have the technical capabilities to transfer all volumes, and, therefore, to suju. yes, but, nevertheless, from may 11 regularly. uh, ukraine refuses to accept our gas from here. yes, as a result of counter sanctions, we cannot use yamal europe this means that volumes. our gas to europe, they have decreased because of this. naturally , there is a redistribution of those volumes that individual countries receive. yes, the owner, it seems to be directly somehow independent. well, because the european market is a pool, yes, a pool into which gas flows through pipes and then it should be redistributed there, therefore, these domino a effects and the domino effect associated with the northern stream begin to work, 1 it leads to the fact that how true, perfectly said mr. spleen just a year ago there, if not more, yes, the dates of the planned rails were known. this means shift and shift, and the prospect of returning the turbine from one repair. yes, it leads, respectively, to the fact that the planned repair dates are being shifted, and moreover, all the

proposals that came and heard there from some hotheads. a. let's extend, respectively, the period of operation of the existing units for those regulatory periods. so without repairs, respectively, means their use. they can to bring simply, so to speak, to threats associated with violations of safety regulations . yes, that is , it turns out that this is a man-made restriction of sanctions, which means the introduction of sanctions restrictions, which were completely almost not calculated in terms of their consequences, and then here, instead of choosing the simplest solution , which was discussed many times, all our leaders begin there we read in the first person vladimirovich and further. yes, guys, there is a pipe filled with gas. well, you have now achieved that now it is no longer 55, mm - billion cubic meters. can understand get only half. yes, i mean nord stream 2. the solution to all your problems. yes, this, respectively, here, uh, connecting it. why you just need to perform certain paper procedures. yes, formal paper procedures,

similar to those that germany produced. uh, from the e channel yes, sign, respectively, several papers. yes, and you will fill in, respectively, here the deficit you have today in the cheap market. uh, because the price of lighting it is less than american lng uh, russian back gas, no. it does not go to him due to the loss of face and begin to take further measures that only worsen the economic well-being of europe and the population of europe, which begin to kill, respectively, the european business and worsen its competitiveness outside the european one. spheres, yes, and then the question arises. look for who benefits and i come to i’ve been talking about this for a long time, and i’ve been talking about this for a long time too, but it’s beneficial primarily in the united states of america, because today, when they entered the market outside the energy industries, there are many strong competitors, starting with china, india, there we are in general, brix countries there, and so on. yes, then protect your competitive niche the united states outside the energy industry becomes more difficult, so

work begins accordingly with a philosophy. yes, remove competitors. that is, if you cannot run faster than a competitor, you need to pour him a glass battle in sneakers, who today is the weakest link. who is the easiest to choose this competitive struggle. this is europe, which creates man-made problems, respectively, by the formation of that, e. market structure, that is, a market structure that is sensitive to all sorts of such fluctuations in expectations yes , because of the large share, the spot component, on the one hand, on the other hand, europe is torn apart today by contradictions that are only growing, which are also man-made and to a large extent created by the same american allies of europe thank you thank you andrey alexandrovich for the most detailed comment. thank you very much with us. andrey konoplyanik, a member of the scientific council of the russian academy of sciences, for system research in the energy sector, was in touch. advisor to the general director. gazprom export. we talked about the international sanctions struggle in the energy sector. it was the fifth studio see you.

vladimir putin and alexander lukashenko discussed by phone possible joint steps in connection with by limiting kaliningrad transit by lithuania , the kremlin’s press service announced this, the leaders of russia, belarus, confirmed mutual attitudes, consistently strengthening russian belarusian relations, partnership and alliance lithuania did not introduce new restrictions on the transit of goods to kaliningrad, this was stated by the governor of the region anton alikhanov, earlier, the media, citing the lithuanian customs reported about the alleged expansion of the sanctions list for transit, as alikhanov noted, the restrictions were adopted.