that is, he even corrected the points of view and approaches of those who are not quite, he was in such, uh, positions of support for russia of such people a little, this is far from the majority, well, of course. it is difficult to quantify it, but nevertheless, this layer about western people in serbia, how big is it? it's really small, it 's not defining and uh, even let's take it under uh, for some social event. yes , public demonstrations, of course, everything that happens and is organized in support of russia in support for a special military operation of our approaches, of course, prevails, of course, when paying, because there were attempts and basically, they are

thrown from the outside and organized from the outside, but in the end it turned out to be some very small , inconspicuous even if we take just one city, even , if we take belgrade events with the participation of very, but a small number of people, there are a lot of people at the same time, i want to say. that's what concerns the activities of support for russia. and your channel followed this and showed it. thank you very much that's right, then uh, indeed, it’s not that there was no pressure on belgrade, on serbia, on the leadership in public circles, in order to organize such events from our side. this is really a serbian initiative from below , and i can say that this is a people's initiative, i repeat, in contrast to the pro-western events,

which were entirely organized, uh, by the respective embassies and uh from outside. ah, alexander gatchina well, let's get back to the economy a little more, and then we'll talk about the internal political life of serbia, of course, which will affect the general state of affairs in this country and, accordingly, relations with us. well, i would like to clarify about gas, because, uh, transit goes through bulgaria as well. and we have this country , to put it mildly, let's say, not an easy relationship. and what will serbia do if they block it? and in general , somehow e goes, and the direction of serbia seemed to be vucech that serbia would diversify supplies. what about this question? to expand, i will start from this, to expand supplies, there will be such tasks. speaking of which, they appeared not today not yesterday much earlier, as you know.

uh. we are absolutely not against the expansion of the spectrum; this makes it possible for a wider and, probably, more and better competition. if we talk about the competition of a normal market and serbia, such tasks have been set for a long time and on the sly. she is moving in a sensible way. at the same time, no tasks have ever been set to refuse interaction in the energy sector with russia, and now, on the contrary, they are talking about expansion in parallel, and expansion opportunities in cooperation with us. which makes it decided in advance, because the branches here in serbia are further from hungary from the turkish stream. this project was implemented earlier

and, uh, the entire project, its implementation is accelerated, but its quality showed that uh, everything. this was done very thoughtfully and extremely timely, because now this channel provides, of course, stable and sustainable supplies in the volumes that are needed and there is additional potential. as for bulgaria , it would be wrong to really say e to say that the situation with bulgaria in our relations does not cause some nervousness and concern, nevertheless, the transit continues and , uh, now still speaking, if we are not talking about some assumptions of any concerns about the current situation, probably there can be not a single question, not a single problem that cannot

cause concern and the worst assumptions, everything is very unstable and unstable. we understand why, but nevertheless, not a single fact yet says that transit can, uh to stop unexpectedly, meanwhile, of course, here belgrade has in mind the obligations of bulgaria in our belgrade. and mutual obligations are the first thing. and most importantly, the bulgarian transit, let's call it such, it refers not only to serbia, but also to krengrii, that is, this is a transit to the european union - this is bulgaria's partner in the european union, so cut off bulgaria sofia transit e, to this side will mean a big problem and the failure to fulfill bulgarian obligations, not only in relation to serbia not only in relation to russia but also within the framework of the

european union, therefore, i emphasize summarizing everything that i said, of course, these are such relations. as what we have now developed with bulgaria, and they can not cause optimism and great confidence and calmness. yes, this is a fact, but nevertheless, so far there are some material parcels. and we do not observe the indicators, therefore we expect that the transit will continue and gas supplies will go steadily in the volumes, uh, that the contract suggests alexander arkadievich but earlier you they said that the serbian oil industry, as they call it, the main oil enterprise managed to protect it from these european sanctions, they assume the abandonment of our oil by the end of the year. and how serbia will act in these conditions. what steps have already been taken by the serbian

government in this direction to somehow protect itself from this? uh steps, of course, made by the serbian government. i want to emphasize e in close interaction with e. with russia specifically with the leadership of gazpromneft, which is this company the main holders shares of nisa, a low-level uh power company in serbia, uh, it is the defining company of the system that forms the company, if we take not only energy, but also the overall contribution to the budget participation, including charitable actions. that is, it is a key company and it has become such. uh, here there is a complete understanding of the government in the leadership of serbia and in society as a whole. naturally, thanks to the power of russia and gazprom neft, this is also

the management of this investment. and uh, very good correct and reasonable management at all stages. in this case, i take not only the current not simple with e sanctions let's call it that, but also the previous ones that were associated. uh, anti-covid measures with the pandemic and so on. we also talked about this earlier, uh, under russian management , this period passed very successfully, as far as it was, perhaps some indicators fell, but the company retained, but retained full combat capability. if i may say so, this is true, and the profit is sufficient, which ensured the preservation of companies and even ensured their development. present indicators we just talked about recently. here just the other day, uh, with visitors. by the way,

speaking, dense dialogue. one can even say that the daily e-e with the leadership of gazpromneft and the government of serbia is supported and conducted very intensively and is carried out very in-depth according to the results that are currently available, the company operates better than before, and the indicators for the first period of this year are better than those which were for the corresponding last year period. naturally. this is a huge achievement. if we also take into account the complicated conditions with regard to sanctions and their well, projection, then measures were taken before quite right, which secured the company at

this stage, in addition, i want to say that the company in its activities uses not only russian oil, but other, therefore, there are no worries about the fact that here these are the european yesovskie sanctions can as they say, completely undermine the activities of nisa. there is a high degree of confidence that the company will continue to work successfully and provide the serbian energy market, by the way, not only serbia more widely on a regional scale in sufficient volume. and alexander well, let's touch on internal issues a little. we have more time. and this is first of all. ah, the kosovo problem. it is very acute for serbia, of course. and that 's what they want to play on, it looks like the european authorities and they are making an offer in serbia as if in

the direction of solving the kosovo problem. well , partly natural. and what do you think, this kosovo gingerbread can affect the leadership of serbia. if you evaluate it that way, maybe you will have each other not like a gingerbread man. and perhaps as something completely opposite. here and well will not make an offer. e for serbia belgrade, so as not to slip into the vocabulary that is unacceptable. here i mean the approach of the west, but it is absolutely true that hmm, the already unacceptable approaches of the western european jesus bruises. or even more so washington earlier now tightened even more.

this is an absolutely correct statement. here, according to those contacts, those signals were sent by western side made by belgrade. let's take the last few months. or let's take the period from the beginning of this year, the tightening is definitely connected. e from the general situation. naturally associated with desire. as stated in this article, use this situation in order to solve the kostovo issue within the framework of powerful massive pressure on the server, the bet is on the fact that belgrade is under this pressure, which is now being carried out in many areas , first of all, the main or no pressure, which we they said that this is russia and curtailment, as they require cooperation with russia, and joining

anti-russian sanctions belgrade stands firmly here. and uh, the calculation is that somewhere he must somewhere he must not show such firmness. so the calculation is being made on the fact that maybe belgrade maintains a firm position on russia on the rejection of sanctions, it will make some concessions to bites, by the way, speaking, and on a bead, i will casually say about this, because it is now in the order of the western pressure comes in one package. but uh signs of uh, some increased softness of belgrade, no. there were not even such signs, say, during the visit of schulze, by the way, this was the first visit of the highest statesman of europe to a country of the

european union, who directly said that the conditions for serbia's accession to the european union, serbia's membership, is the recognition of kutsev. well, or as they say mutual recognition, which in general is not the essence of the issue, of course, rests on the fact that belgrade is featured. under this case or in this context, the lines of idleness, pristina and kosovo albanians expressed even more strongly. a dialogue that previously existed formally now. yes, some meetings are formally supported, the result is zero, if not to say what to deny. because the agreements are crossed out instantly, if earlier it was still required , some attempts were required to show that yes, we are trying to implement

it. now, just uh, before he declares on the second day that the europeans will not do anything either. just like the americans swallowed on purpose, because the theses that it is impossible to influence the pristine, he is devoid of any. eh, grounds, just not true. if they wanted to, of course they would have influenced and forced pristina to comply. uh, what is required is what has been achieved before, not what is fundamentally vital to the life of security of the serbs living tastes. i would like to clarify some points, that is, we are talking about the fact that the brussels agreements, which were confirmed by the eu and, in fact, these all european agreements are not being implemented and europeans. anyway, i understand correctly, in

this case, yes, i agree with you and the europeans, because for them now. the main thing is to achieve compulsion, recognition of belgrade, kosovo, everything else. associated with what they call the normalization of relations, it would be decided after the main thing is to achieve bending to force belgrade to recognize the taste, taking advantage of the position of belgrade of its orientation towards membership in the european union, taking advantage of the general situation. i use the fact that uh, as they think belgrade has the president vucic. uh, there are more vulnerabilities now. i repeat. the most basic of them is his position on russia on russia and in the name of preserving it. like