iguanas, chameleons, raccoons, hedgehogs, wild animals today are bought as fun and try to domesticate this often leads to sad consequences, and for both sides. where did the fashion for exotics come from and whether people and animals can coexist peacefully in the same living space, we will try to figure it out with you today evgenia naumova hello, and our guest is veterinarian alexei krutov and the founder of the raccoon park in the farm, merzhanovo, neklinovsky district natalya yatsenko hello natalya for start. tell about your park animal that got into a difficult life situation, how it appeared. and we did a lot, and when our friends overflowed there, the places stopped being few. we drove and raccoons. we tried, uh, and help and try to interact with them . well, but then they either put them to sleep or throw them away, because they

cope and on this wave, uh, the idea arose. hmm, to create a help center. uh, these animals that got to people and then get into a difficult life situation are the animal itself and its owners with them. how many animals do you have today in the center, and you did not come alone with you, your guest. eh, how do animals get to your center. and when we decided to do this, we did hmm as usual on the social network and it started to call every week. uh, take away a raccoon, a raccoon raccoon, who has how many yes, and calls we went from all over russia, now we have the geography of the whole country, uh, they live in enclosures. now they are families and here you can tell this one from moscow, this estonian one, uh, this one from novorossiysk , well, in general, a variety of habitats, where they stayed with people and then came to us 2 raccoon. just volunteers from taganrog also live here, but they were found in the basement of a five-story building along with

cats. e, they fed them, they thought that the dogs and when they shot them, they put them to sleep, but to pick up help there were raccoons, so either they ran away, or they were thrown away. now we'll never know, but now they live with us here, so people come across very differently, they decided that raccoons. we deal with raccoons, then all the problematic exotics. you can also bring it to us. and that's how we formed a pandyuzik, and bought a child. here for apartments, this is flour for both the meerkat and the family. and now he has been living with us for the third year. uh, here, uh, well, it is very problematic in terms of content. he needs warmth; tigers, wolves, crocodiles, snakes; until recently, almost any animal could be acquired in russia. and to make your neighbor only in 2020, the law on the responsible treatment of animals came into force, an official ban was established to keep at home animals that may pose a danger to their owners or habitual habitats, habitats, which are significantly

differs from the possible conditions of keeping them in captivity in the list of 33 species. well, for example, the same raccoons were not included in this list, in your opinion, how relevant is the law today and are there many gaps in it? it's very sad that they entered the raccoons, because they are still, uh, poachers and they catch and sell through avito through the spinning top. people think that they take this toy like a cat takes a dog. so i really hope that there will be some kind of amendment and the notes will be included in this list. so i would increase it, generally to infinity. let at home live cats dogs, and domestic thousands of years ago, yes, and interact with people. well, some birds, everything else is first of all uncomfortable. the animals themselves have a hard problem, they need to run, they need nature, they need their relationships. they are very complex. they are just like us from nature. here, but out of sadness

, they played with the people themselves, uh, a dog, you can give it to your grandmother, right? or attach somewhere? this is where you put a raccoon or other wild animal. it's dangerous in zoos they don't take such animals, practically it is very difficult to attach m-m alexei what do you think? you about the current law i agree completely with the opinion. eh, the people who made the law, would really add raccoons in there, because they didn't come in. ah, i'm more categorical in this regard. in my opinion, there should be a license for keeping animals in apartments and in large cities, as for a weapon, a person should ask exams to pass the minimum that he must, but he must understand what he takes. what responsibility will he take to bear this responsibility all his life, lived with together with animals. this is not one year, not two. it can be 10, and in some cases even 20 years, when you have to bear this responsibility under the law. a wild animal that was acquired before the beginning of 2020 will live out its life with the

owner. why, if there are problematic situations of an animal that has been in contact with a person for some time cannot be returned to its natural environment, they have their own laws of life, uh, in nature. in particular, raccoons have a territorial sign. they live in large families on the territory in the forest of kilometers, 15 if a raccoon enters a strange animal there, even from the forest. uh, he's going to have a fight. the war will drive him away, and the domestic raccoon that has lived with a person does not know how to defend himself, how to behave and they can simply kill him, and therefore raccoons, uh, who live with people do not integrate back into nature, but these are not only raccoons and bears very complex. well, all wild animals. they usually die. this is about what animal rights activists say, we must let everyone go into nature. uh, the animal will die, but there is another danger. they are not afraid of humans. they won't be able to get along with their own with nature with their own kind

they will go to a man on a farm. on the one hand, this is a danger to the village, and on the other hand, a person will decide that they are rabid, because a wild animal in its right mind is not suitable for a sober memory. eh, that will destroy him too, therefore, er, one way to die. we have a law of colors in accordance with which, uh, the rosselkhoznadzor, uh, recommends walking past wild animals in general and not participating in any way in life, not in spite of what happens to animals. this legislative level with a wild animal, can be from a human point of view. it's not entirely humane. it’s a pity i want to pick it up, but from the point of view of a sound view of the existence of ecosystems, it’s impossible to do otherwise, because i see integration, uh, in my working example, these animals regularly entering the clinic. uh, in the city most often, either birds. these are the most

frequent patients, or small animals. there may be raccoons, there may be hedgehogs, and the squirrels of which a person is transferring to the clinic. i ask you the first question, you understand that this animal is now yours forever. you have no other option. how to leave him to live with you or find him a home, because let him go to his habitat, moreover, if you raised him from a puppy or chick, he does not adapt, people never count on it, of course, this is not taught at school. to show how wild animals are not adapted to living in an apartment with our film crew natalia and her husband. igor conducted a small but very revealing experiment. i suggest we look when we go into the house, let go of our raccoons live year-round open-air cages, but today we

are, well, nevertheless, we will take two of our most calm, these little robbers, when they get into a closed space in an apartment. oh, that's it, there are no barriers for a raccoon, where the raccoon's head passed , the whole raccoon passes, despite the fact that they have such a round ass. rit in this life in just 15 minutes of being in the house. but i say this again, these are our most calm children who are ice-bound very

calmly, quietly without any problems, but nevertheless, a raccoon is a raccoon, as we see wild animals can deliver a lot of trouble in the apartment, even in a matter of minutes. this is the peculiarity of the behavior of raccoons and other exotic animals that are now popular when they are in a confined space. well, firstly, they have little space for them to move, and the raccoon is an extremely active animal, then they are nocturnal and during the day they sleep, and at night they cause a lot of trouble, because they begin to be active. secondly, they have a rut and uh twice a year, they are dangerous at this moment due to hormones and bite very strongly uh, and the destroyers are like dogs can’t say fum to the place, they understand everything, but they don’t do anything, and all the other exotic ones are these meerkats snake, anyone bear e. uh, puma lion tiger, here on the one hand it is dangerous on the other hand. this is unacceptable because of the

smells and because they don't follow any commands. well, the meerkat is now, uh, sleeping curled up in your arms, but in fact it is still a dangerous animal. yes, they bite very hard and, uh, even when they are taken into a family, they choose one for themselves. uh, who will they be protect, because they have such principles in the family in their meerkats and bite about everyone else, and it turns out that they seem to have taken, uh, a toy and love to cherish or cherish them, and there are already more in the family, except for one person. no one can communicate with him all the rest of the competition often people get injured. such wild animals, which are not often tried to be hunted down, but always and always, it ends up in such a tragedy, first of all for the animal, and secondly for the family, because it’s good when everything heals because of is growing. it remains a psychological trauma. and if tra he is a child. and if this person has suffered, and then some kind of cosmetic

surgery is necessary. here we have 43 refuseniks in the center today. these same raccoons and 80% of them came to us after their owners got into traumatology very seriously. and i never tire of repeating it. don't start them, don't need tragic situations, uh, involving wild animals. they happen, probably, in every region of russia recently in rostov e people suffered from a snake bite that crawled into his apartment from neighbors. but what do you think, and where did this fashion for exotic animals come from. why is it not enough for a person that traditionally long-term domesticated dogs and cats are boring on the one hand, on the other hand, our great internet everyone puts cute interesting ones there, and torn arms, legs and torn and mutilated apartments at home. and no one puts it down. if only there were more information like this and people would think about it. and at least they

collected information, at least they read about these animals. no, we have to, well, it's all over the world, but we especially do everything on emotions to our center they come on excursions, i give lectures where i explain why it is not necessary to have wild animals hmm, and after one people come with an idea, i want to have a raccoon. and i devote a whole hour of lectures to tell all the problems about them. what will they face? how it will end and 99% we manage to dissuade. that's right up to the fact that we generally introduced adopting from us, you come to him. well, do not take home any animals to you. that's more often they bring everything, maybe even with a request to put it to sleep, because it did something there. i told everyone in my life i had both bears and uh lions of the game, and this, if you start from large ones and go down to almost everything was a lot to bring to sleep such animals there was no

talk about autonade they don’t suit me with him , apparently, in view of my qualities. i don't euthanize animals. yes, i do not euthanize animals without, uh, medical indications, that is, the animal must suffer and the suffering must be interrupted only in this case. but with the issue of accommodation, and calls to the clinic and personal calls occur regularly, everyone is attached, and again, bears also attach exotics. and badger i picked up a badger i lived with and the badger was generally within the city. i don't know where he came from, maybe it was a fugitive from uh, hunting something of a personal economy. and the woman called me to pick up the raccoon. i arrived. it was raining, cold, damp, winter. i put it in a carrier. i brought a badger from whom i caught. it's not even a raccoon, it's generally the wildest animal with such.

the weapons against which the raccoon did not stand nearby were raccoon dogs, foxes passed through me, a lot of things passed through. fortunately, the e people are primarily our population, and the inhabitants of the city, before thinking about estase, they are still interested in where they can be attached. and it pleases, well, the opportunity to still attach. this wild animal is not much. but natalia tell the animals that are in your center. what will be their future fate? we built the project in such a way that the animals that fall stay with us forever. we do not give away animals, we do not sell or breed. all the men who come to us pass through. uh, they are castrated through alexei's clinic. that's why, more or less, we managed to balance the situation with large

enclosures, where they now live with their families and are tied to each other, and as far as possible, we brought them closer to the environment, as they live in nature. uh, they are very social and live in large families in nature. we are now working in two directions, picking up heavy ones, because they will not be taken. none not people, not a zoo. this is not from alexei ilyich and we bring to life, but more or less tame adapted. uh, we work as a call center, we know good places around the country where there are decent or former petting zoos. well, these are the places, or one of the people also contains it, and if there is a closer this city, we redirect it there and it turns out. to attach m-m from problematic owners to good owners, as it applies to the ads that are now appearing on internet sites, i am selling a raccoon. sell ​​meerkat snake. yes, who if you like, that's what people are doing, too, and without understanding they buy. well, we don't have, as a

rule, any nurseries where they are bred and tame . might be a lonely person. what rules should be observed and which animal to choose? first of all, you need to find that specialist who will help you to go through the life of this animal, which will live with you. uh, it's a must to find a doctor you're with going to uh, next to friends good recommendations come to him to give. oh your time. uh, ask the doctor for some time so that he explains to you, what kind of doctors do you need, as a rule , almost everyone faces the same situation, with which i am more or less degree, but every doctor goes through this and it is unlikely that a city doctor will say, start himself, a raccoon of two more suriks. most

likely, he will say that if you want to have an animal in the apartment, you will rarely appear at home. it is possible to start there either a more phlegmatic breed that can spend more time at home alone without an owner or if you can take the animal with you, take a companion cat of the breed that will ride with you all the time or a dog. take either large or small, depending on your conditions, that is, the doctor will guide a person through this step of choosing animals. maybe someone out there has more exotic animals. yes, it is also a kind of exotic because there are no doctors who are specialists in them . so rodents lagomorphs chinchillas rats hamsters, by the way, they can live in an apartment for the most part. yes, and they do not fall under the law, and they have enough of those conditions that a person can provide him in an apartment, showcases, aviaries,

uh, and care. they require sometimes less than e. hmm , the animals that are more familiar to us are cats, dogs, and returning to our main topic, in order to solve this problem of the interaction of people and animals, what is necessary, in your opinion, is the tightening of legislation, the introduction of some additional rules or the problem is deeper, and it is necessary change at all the worldview of people in the first place, the worldview is a school of understanding, and secondly it is legislation, because at least somehow people will stop . , and people living in small satellite cities or in general everything allah is simply not controlled at all and anyone can be kept there. first of all, the upbringing of a change in the mentality of the mentality of our inhabitants, because the simplest thing is that a person can look at this animal and say for himself

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