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at wildberries dot bank for entrepreneurs and businesses. on the air, i am anton podkovenko, we are discussing the international agenda, in particular, the meeting of the foreign ministers and ministers of defense of the eu countries in the czech republic, there are many interesting details, and now grigory karasin, chairman of the federation council committee on international affairs, is getting in touch with the fifth studio by phone. hello grigory borisovich hello anton i am glad to hear from you mutually, and so grigory borisovich , the heads of the foreign and defense ministries of the eu countries at a two-day informal summit, as it is reported, is discussing russia and ukraine, what would you note the main thing in this meeting. here, in particular. it is known that the supply of weapons to ukraine and the head of the european are discussing. diplomacy. barrel said that this is the quote from the weapons agency.

need more because the situation is not improving your comment that the informality of this meeting with a kind of brainstorming that took. first, the minister of defense, they met yesterday, er yesterday and today, they are discussing the problems of the minister of foreign affairs. uh, so the brainstorming will not end with the adoption of some written official document. this is what we must understand. this is the first in terms of the suspension of the agreement to abolish the hmm without regime breaks, it actually appears. mm goals, of course, much more cynical. in fact, the question is how to further isolate russia how to promote a split in

russian society and public opinion? uh, it comes to the fact that there are theses of certain age groups for which trips will be allowed for for other opportunities of age groups are closed don’t know if this needs to be checked, but such theses are heard in the media so, nothing new in this for us . no. this again relies on well-established processing tactics. e strata of society, social e political e, in the necessary european union, the european union has the keys. what would you like to hope for? well i think the eu it's time to show more common sense to ban russia did not work. uh, sanctions uh, all

events. we see how they work, i won’t comment on it, but already in the european union itself voices are heard about the need for more moderation in impulses and visa and economic energy. although it is unlikely that in the current collective western community of realism, so to speak, it will be easy to break through. well, let's see, let's see, let's, uh, carefully watch the development and at the same time we will study what we agreed on in prague but please tell me, here, in your opinion , the eu's visa policy towards russia, but if it can be called politics at all. i'm talking about the alleged restrictions e for russians on visas. is there unity in the european union, if there is unity in the west, uh, or is there some disagreement, this is on the one hand, and on the other hand. how can russia answer, in your opinion? in case

of suspension, no unity of approach to the issues will be called. uh, not in the west, uh, our baltic neighbors poles are the most zealous lately some new inventions. they even offered strong ones. well, god be their judge, as they say, but the question is that this is all doomed to failure if someone thinks in prague or brussels or washington that russia is terribly tormented by the difficulties that are created in visa issues. this is a serious mistake. no one is particularly tormented, but appropriate conclusions are drawn about the ability of our former desks. having established relations with our country, will we have something to answer? we always have something to answer, in my opinion, we have never caused any doubt in our

partners regarding the possibility of a russian response, the answer will follow, but we will not rush and we will not. how to blow blow on water. let's take a look and study the result. tell me, please, here, if we return to the question, uh, the supply of arms to ukraine since the representatives of the european ministry of defense. yes, including at this summit. do you think there are some solutions here, uh, amplifying this traffic, what is called i think, mmm. first of all. i would start by saying that, to my knowledge, there were not discussed so many issues of arms supplies to ukraine in these matters. unfortunately for the international community. uh, everything is dictated by washington and the relevant military-political structures of nato we discussed, in fact, a series of questions related to the preparation of, uh, military

ukrainian military uh, where to train them? who will cook them? how will they be prepared? uh, outside the territory of ukraine, uh, i don’t know the outcome of this discussion, but the very fact that this is being discussed , uh, is very disturbing, because we are talking about an escalation. and so we will also do relevant conclusions, turning to the topic of the missions that are sent to the zaporozhye nuclear power plant, in your opinion. how this visit can affect the overall security situation around the nuclear power plant. at first it was reported that the mt-1 mission would work a day at the station. now it seems that rafael rossel said that the mission would probably lead a few days to the check-in. what result are we waiting for? anton, in my opinion, you correctly drew attention to this mission of the iaea, in my opinion. she uh, what she rides. e, despite all the obstacles of provocation. eh, that means

ukraine and the west there and so on, still going to zaporozhye. nuclear power plants are very important. we russia fought for this trip of experts. un for a long time you know this well, because e offensive. uh, vasily nebenzia was shown on television and not only this performance. we understand the importance of a professional and objective analysis of what is really going on there, we are tired of hearing. uh, americano ukrainian some kind of hmm provocative rumors that are being launched in the international media we want to know from an expert communities. what is the real situation? yes, the nuclear power plant hope, uh, that we can count on the fact that it will be objectively we professionally know quite such a

curious layout. e hmm national er, of this whole group, but we believe in something once again, i want to repeat the third time in objectivity. the entire international community needs it now. that's just the same about objectivity, in particular in the energy issue, experts and not only russian say that, well, the west is really driving itself, in fact, into a certain energy trap. with these sanctions against our energy carriers yes, sanctions against russia ahead of winter. and well, indeed , the west will most likely be difficult to do without losses, at least reputational losses. yes, it’s more pleasant to live, then, as they say, no one can stop it. here, please, that is. hmm . come up with more challenges for yourself, try to cope with them, but i want to return to this mission of the iaea, er, because it is

really important. this is e throughout. here recent months, this is perhaps the only such. uh, like the action of an international organization. in this case, he is in terms of pointing as specific, uh . e expertise. uh, this may continue, it will not work out, the situation will only worsen in general, uh, both in moral and political terms and in energy terms, and directly, uh, the situation at the nuclear power plant itself. tomorrow september 1st. i take it they must be there you correctly said that they intend to spend several days there, we will closely monitor how it goes. this is an expert trip. but

continuing the theme of anti-russian sanctions. unfortunately, more and more relevant, german chancellor scholz said that the sanctions imposed by western countries on russia because of the situation in ukraine are correct and effective here, in your opinion. there is unity on their part. this is the first time i'm hearing about this connection west german chancellor german chancellor, uh, i i completely disagree with her, but, apparently, he has some goals that he pursues to make such a statement. here, uh, in my opinion, the sanctions regime is failing rather quickly, and uh, so, uh, there are many examples of this from various fields. we see them every day. yes, we are seeing trends. uh, the eu's contribution, uh, is to alleviate the international security situation, and it's the

exact opposite of common sense. uh, speaking of europe, speaking of anti-russian sanctions, it’s hard not to mention the united states of america and here donald trump's statement, he called for the immediate recognition of the us presidential election in 2020 as irreversibly compromised and for new elections to be held. how do you rate this one? well, as a move, you can probably say so. hmm yes, well, i'll tell you that the activity of american domestic politics is so multifaceted and colorful. eh, in quotation marks that it is difficult to comment on it. yes, and probably counterproductive. uh, let them play this game. uh, she's i think our uh political experts are of some interest, but not moreover, uh, we will react more calmly to all these reversals of american domestic policy.

thanks to. thank you very much grigory borisovich , grigory karasin, chairman of the federation council committee on international affairs, was in touch with us. and we continue to discuss topical issues on the agenda with sergei ordzhonikidze and in 2002-2011 , sergei ordzhonikidze was director general of the un office in geneva and secretary general of the conference on disarmament sergei alexandrovich hello, hear me good afternoon. ah. i would like to discuss the topic with you. mm. uh, check-in in the context of the visit of the mte mission. it is known that experts intend to watch the station to assess the situation. and what is the main task, in your opinion, of the russian side, what could be considered an effective result of effective promotion, when the experts actually arrive there, and can we count on an objective assessment? what do you think you know, by virtue

of your experience, the international organizations of the un work well, conferences on disarmament, i imagine what international officials are doing international officials, in particular, that's from the rich. let's see who they are, these are estonian nuclear technicians and they will look, first of all, nuclear, so to speak, how uhm the zaporozhye station uh functions from the point of view of a technically correct history or something threatens or does not threaten. eh, this work. this is their initial, as i imagine it will be task. hmm uh, as for the second aspect, and

in addition to the technical one, they will state that, uh, of course. hmm if they even dare to things that happen are shelling shelling. uh, so to speak, threatens or may threaten, and at the work of the station. well, where these shellings come from from a purely side, they will not answer this, but hmm uh, referring to the fact that this is outside the mandate of the rich. these are political aspects outside the mandate. so, uh, the fact that they will come from this is already a definite positive, at least for the duration of their stay. i hope the shelling will stop, but expect some

miraculous from them. uh, so to speak statements. e actions. i wouldn't, hmm. uh, like i said already, these are the experts. uh, representatives international organizations that do not have a political mandate to determine the uh, so to speak, uh nature of the uh danger coming from one of the uh belligerents , how they will be so uh hmm well let 's hope for the best, but always have to have in mind the real situation is the real outcome of the events and uh hmm something like u noted the fact that they are there . this is already a big positive a in terms of hmm security. i think that it's uh, certain uh. well, like this. e, in general, the

positive that russian diplomacy managed to get, but let's not exaggerate this and their stay. let's not, that's for sure, especially since the mission of magata is now just on its way to the zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant. eh, sergei alexandrovich here. uh, in the context of the meeting that is taking place informal meetings of the informal summit, which is taking place in the czech republic in particular. there are representatives of the ministry of defense. e of the european union and they talk about further armament. ukraine a little bit. tell me, please, in the context, in the context of the international disarmament situation. yes, something that was talked about a lot, a lot of experts. you have dealt with this issue. here's how you can regard similar ones themselves before such meetings. and in general , is the european union starting a similar rhetoric or is it continuing a new round of, uh, an arms race? you know, i would not see anything

new in this, due to the fact that in the current conditions of the special operation, and my e should be expected from the collective west constant threats of constant build-up, threats in personal shapes and forms. well, including pumping up his weapons of various types, and so, well, you know, this is one of many. eh, so to speak, but one of the many events that are held there. ah, which they make public open. we don't know. e even about what is happening in a closed format, a in a closed format. i think it's happening to us. much more they will never tell us. what

types of weaponry do they intend, huh? just what types to supply? what types? what is behind this? uh, something public, they announce. i don't rule out that what they publicly uh announce is partly disinformation, partly they are uh withholding information. uh, so that the west is going on like this, you know, a lot of planned, uh, war. uh, with us and and through ukraine and therefore we must expect a repetition of such meetings of such meetings. well , uh, the main thing that happens outside of these meetings and meetings, uh, is what happens, uh. hmm culturally in secret. naturally. uh, and it's mine

kind of those in ka surprises that they bring us. i think it will go on and on until the completion of our special operation, which, uh, they want to drag out for the longest possible time. thank you very much sergey alexandrovich to try, uh, both economic and political uh, to inflict on us. e, blow. e, i would say such a blow. uh, well, lethal blow, so we have to be prepared for something like this. e hmm, so to speak, the goals of the task, and the west, they will continue to be implemented in the future, but until those who, until we let's complete this operation. yes, unfortunately the policy of

the west here is really not ambiguous. thank you very much sergey alexandrovich for a detailed detailed answer with us. sergey ordzhonikidze, general director of the un office in geneva, was in touch. agent secretary of the disarmament conference in 2002 2011 discussed the situation at the zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant and this situation in the context of an informal meeting in the czech republic of representatives of the ministry of defense and the eu foreign ministry, this was the fifth studio. see you.

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the terrorist attack at the zaporozhye nuclear power plant at the last moment prevented by russian law enforcement agencies ukrainian saboteurs planned to commit it while working on an iaea mission there today the attackers were detained in energodar saboteurs used foreign satellite systems for communication, and were also well armed. and they seized machine guns, explosive devices and grenade launchers . earlier, two artillery gunners were detained in energodar. vsu, they passed the ukrainian man. the coordinates of the object around the nuclear power plant both worked at the station, one of them managed to transmit hut coordinates of more than ten targets. in the ministry of defense with russia