the electronic component base here has to deal with the most serious problems that can be in the technological field. and uh, there is progress even in this area. they are mastering more and more complex technological processes, but we see that it is against this sector of the economy that they are being introduced, especially comprehensive sanctions by the american side, attempts are being made to isolate them. em. this topic is the focus of the guide. hmm personally supervised by the top leaders of the country. dozens are invested in it billion dollars a year. here it is. the main thing is the direction on which everything depends on other areas. uh, in machine tool building, robotics, electric transport. eh, even in general, to a certain extent in the civilian. techniques they

have progress and it is not bad. uh, often they can be a year or two or three behind. from, uh, the milestones that, in general, for large technologies such technical projects are a common thing around the world, but in general they are moving forward. well , the main challenge is to master production competitive components that would allow the production of e, competitive mass -market consumer electronics. uh, without uh any dependence on the us. if it succeeds, it will just have global economic and political consequences. thank you, but already china overtakes, uh, america in the number of supercomputers, and in the number of patents that it concludes. and i understand that the americans are very worried. uh, with this jerk china in this matter, and they are just afraid that china has everything

it turns out from here they inflate the taiwan problem and other problems that prevented implementation. of all these plans, i understand the situation correctly, this is true, that is, there is an understanding that time, in general, works for the chinese and the american approach is based on using the still remaining chinese vulnerability in the field of technology in the field of economics. areas of dependence on foreign technology components overlap, where possible, oxygen slow down the development and e, in. the same time building up pressure on the taiwan issue, but designed to create conditions. e to form already such a united front against china, e, first of all, to fully involve

europe and japan in the containment policy, since. well, the weak point for many years of american policy was that the europeans and the japanese still thought more about their current profits. they sometimes have a more difficult situation of debts, their low growth rates. it was difficult to mobilize them. on such conditional support of the us line, now it becomes easier, by the way, and ukraine played. uh, definitely an important role in this, because it led to the complete loss of hmm any independence and subjectivity of the european union. well, uh, the unwinding of tension around taiwan serves the same purpose. that is, it turns out that, among other things. ukraine is still playing. this is the role of the association against china, japan and korea well, everyone who joined the sanctions, but against russia, in fact, these are sanctions against china, including, i understand correctly. well, these are

indirect sanctions. it's more of a tool. e in edition of the united front. that is, it is a tool for building coalition disciplines and it mainly works in relation to the european union , that is, such a total dependence of europe on the united states in the military-political sphere, it entails e and changes in european rhetoric regarding china, for all its colossal economic dependence on china uh, extreme interest in chinese investment. they begin to criticize china harshly eastern european countries. uh, go straight, generally clash with the chinese folk republic not uh, stopping at nothing before. what a detriment to themselves, but it has already done, lithuania which is essentially. well, i almost broke off relations, but therefore the path goes to the czech republic, therefore

the path is gradually starting to go, poland, despite the fact that even 2-3 years ago they all very diligently sought chinese attention for chinese investments and discussed projects. that's all changed uh now and this this too will have hmm far reaching consequences but uh it seems to me that china has already reached critical mass and in many respects this is in order to move forward in many respects this is due to the scale, the manufacturing industry, on which everything depends in one way or another and which are the main consumer of all these new technologies, and in terms of the volume of the manufacturing industry, china surpasses both the united states and the european union he's just uh, hmm in a separate league, no one can compare with him and uh, that means that hmm already defined, uh,

the mechanism for reproducing these technologies has developed, and it will continue to function. that is, uh you mean china uh, in fact, it can already do without uh german equipment. uh, no others. uh, technology, well, not everywhere, of course, but in many ways with difficult problems, but it can do it, i mean, difficult problems, but the problems will be very difficult for both sides if such a gap occurs, because for the manufacturer of this equipment, china is the main market, and they themselves depend on different chains, uh, the production of which china participates uh, the chinese are trying to close gradually more and more number of production chains. and where exactly, then they succeed in general, regardless of the rest of the world. somewhere they retain a critical

dependency. first of all, this is electronics, but it is also in the automotive industry. and, of course, it is of the most acute nature in hmm in the civil aviation industry. china in general. e, in terms of its ability to provide itself with civil aviation equipment, is much inferior to russia, for example, that is, there is e nu, modern types of aircraft that are produced or are being put into production here and there like c919, but they are, uh, completely foreign components. just like uh, ours. uh, dry superjet. uh, now. here is a new one being developed. yes. well, yes, but now we don’t have new ones, even on the horizon of some sample that they could put into such production and which was completely their own. i mean, it's like that too. an important point of vulnerability in part is that hmm is

redeemed by the huge, completely voluminous chinese market. that is, uh, for the same boeing airbusa to lose this market, uh, do that. was done in relation to russia yes, to completely stop deliveries and cooperation, but this will be a colossal financial shock, they will have to be saved after that, uh, send them into bankruptcy. of course, no one will give them, but they will have to be saved. yes, yes , this, apparently, will require multibillion-dollar budget expenditures to save them from bankruptcy. that's why, uh. hmm, it gives them a certain resilience. what next. yes, they are trying to close all these critical points. they are trying, for example, to replace the equipment of a dutch company and sml yes, here, which is a monopolist in production. yes, they have. yes, there is a program. they're

already making some samples. such a technique, probably, it is not so um, but transferring, to provide the newest technological processes. well , she does something. this is probably already good. well, this is how such a competition goes on in all directions is very difficult. they are trying to cut them off. after all, not only from the technology of the equipment component. uh, the latest measures of the biden administration, this is also a ban on american citizens to go to work, that is, to occupy posts. here in such chinese brain migrations also stop. yes, yes, i mean, these are very tough measures, but uh, that's the question. in many ways, the chinese have already reached a critical mass and are able to move forward. and well, i must say that there are some positive aspects for us. they have before. in

general, they used our scientists and engineers , had engineering centers paid money for development. e. now. well, the more pressure on them from the west, the less restrictions there will be for cooperation with us. we still have separate areas. there is quite significant potential. thank you very much very topic. i hope we will continue to discuss it, and china itself is a big and big topic , thank you so much for taking the time for us. and let me remind you, we talked with vasily kashin, a chinese director, and the center for comprehensive e, european and international studies of the higher school of economics . all the best.

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